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ScarRufus said: UFO confirmed!!! nahh man, she's just channeling kieri. u should try it sometime, feels gud :3 |
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Mathias2001 said: Well... I know that. Still think it's pretty stupid. What if he was just bluffing to save his life or something (he pretty much was)? He was defeated with no other choice but talking shit, and no sane person would take his word for granted. |
WAD1992 said: Mathias2001 said: Lancer thought that Archer was a double agent so he let the man go because he thought that he would help Shirou and Rin and go back to Rin as her servant and help them so because Archer was going to check on both Shirou and Rin, Lancer found that he had no need to do so best not think about it too much, the plot armor on the two MC is actually quiet thick to be honest. so just try to enjoy the show and remember this is probably the only anime that isnt SHIT this season. Except you didn't have to think much if at all to conclude what Mathias2001 just said. |
| Amazing fight, 10/10. |
| Must resist saltiness (outside archer vs lancer that was teh best fight of the entire show). But they kinda fucked up quite a few things and I found it harder to ignore that episode probably because I still rememberer that scene from the VN. When I say I am disappointed is basically means it wasn't as good as the original source but considering that the VN was amazing, this episode gets 7/10 for everything but lancer vs archer (which is 10/10). |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
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R- said: waiting for shirou to use his wish to revive illya Why would Shirou do that? |
Mathias2001 said: If Saber can't defeat a Caster magic upgraded Kuzuki, how the fuck does Shirou stand a chance? Just saying, I mean like, Kuzuki isn't weak and if they would be close to equal, it would be ridiculous. Kuzuki's a one-trick pony who's only good for the first fight.The anime just never explained this.Against any normal opponent anyway.Shirou's below his level even on his 3rd go at him,but he still managed to hold on for longer than he did here. |
R- said: waiting for shirou to use his wish to revive illya If it takes forever, I will wait for you for a thousand summers, I will wait for you (ilya route never ;) ) |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
mira-nyan said: Shrimperor said: Wut? I finished the VN like 6-7 weeks ago, Lala. Lol, no. I mean when you see Illya's death. The route before is Fate route xD I don't quite follow.... If you are saying that fate made me care for Illya, then you are wrong. |
WAD1992 said: " Archer has independent action ;) |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Mathias2001 said: Kerytugu said: Tbh I always thought this was the stupidest part of the UBW route. Didn't make any sense then, doesnt make any sense now. It's just "How do I let Archer live, even though he cant possibly defeat Lancer" Deus-Ex machina in my eyes. Lancer thought that Archer was a double agent so he let the man go because he thought that he would help Shirou and Rin and go back to Rin as her servant and help them so because Archer was going to check on both Shirou and Rin, Lancer found that he had no need to do so In the VN he actually laid down on the grass instead of teleporting away, so it seemed more like he didn't actually care whether or not Archer was lying to him, but rather that his ultimate aim was just to facilitate something against Caster regardless of whether or not it succeeded. |
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Mathias2001 said: Kerytugu said: Tbh I always thought this was the stupidest part of the UBW route. Didn't make any sense then, doesnt make any sense now. It's just "How do I let Archer live, even though he cant possibly defeat Lancer" Deus-Ex machina in my eyes. Lancer thought that Archer was a double agent so he let the man go because he thought that he would help Shirou and Rin and go back to Rin as her servant and help them so because Archer was going to check on both Shirou and Rin, Lancer found that he had no need to do so Also, sorry if i am wrong, but Servants can feel the presence of another servant, right? Caster would think that is very strange Lancer coming with Archer, and that would give her time to prepare (order Saber fight them maybe?) |
Mathias2001 said: [*] They barely showed Shirou vs Kuzuki and Shirou looked like shit in that fight. I mean, he does struggle at the end, but it was so short that it made him seem useless. If Saber can't defeat a Caster magic upgraded Kuzuki, how the fuck does Shirou stand a chance? Just saying, I mean like, Kuzuki isn't weak and if they would be close to equal, it would be ridiculous. 1) She was surprised 2) Her instinct didn't work. Shirou already knows of Kuzuki's attack. It's an attack that doesn't work if the opponent sees it coming. And, as you can see, he was getting rekt pretty hard. |
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Zeally said: [/spoiler][spoiler] WAD1992 said: best not think about it too much, the plot armor on the two MC is actually quiet thick to be honest. so just try to enjoy the show and remember this is probably the only anime that isnt SHIT this season. Except you didn't have to think much if at all to conclude what Mathias2001 just said. still doesn't change the fact that the 2 MC are wearing some really MIGHTY plot armor man. i enjoy the show and all, but lets be honest with ourselves a bit here -_- |
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CookingPriest said: Tbh anime lacks in atmosphere overall. They are too focused on all the fights to set up the atmosphere or how characters FEEL in situations or the tension they feel or the things they think about. It has been some of biggest pet peeves I had with the adaptation since the very start. Imo, it's more like they can't show dramatic/tragic things properly. |
WAD1992 said: Zeally said: [/spoiler][spoiler] Except you didn't have to think much if at all to conclude what Mathias2001 just said. still doesn't change the fact that the 2 MC are wearing some really MIGHTY plot armor man. i enjoy the show and all, but lets be honest with ourselves a bit here -_- Everybody has plot armor if you want them to for the sake of your own "criticism" |
| Poor Caster and kuzuki :( this make me remember... |
| Was there a magic skirmish in the archer betrayal section in the VN? If not then the anime is a bit more plot armour BS'y because it would be intelligent to kill someone who is fighting against you no matter how weak. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Shrimperor said: Imo, it's more like they can't show dramatic/tragic things properly. this is sadly a bit true :/ wondering y are they focusing all the budget on the action scenes ?!! o.O |
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Shrimperor said: Why would Shirou do that? Not like he has anything better to wish for either way |
fst said: WAD1992 said: [/spoiler] still doesn't change the fact that the 2 MC are wearing some really MIGHTY plot armor man. i enjoy the show and all, but lets be honest with ourselves a bit here -_- Everybody has plot armor if you want them to for the sake of your own "criticism" ofc. and some BLATANTLY more then others. iz all im saying. |
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Shrimperor said: mira-nyan said: Lol, no. I mean when you see Illya's death. The route before is Fate route xD I don't quite follow.... If you are saying that fate made me care for Illya, then you are wrong. Shrimpy, have you been trolling Senpai? >.< |
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Mickdrew said: Shrimperor said: What about Caster and Kuzuki tough? It's the route they get the most attention. And Illya's death in the vn was impactful. The impact of those deaths varies from person to person. Some people were really shaken by Ilya's death. I wouldn't say shaken, but this. First time I ever cared about Illya in any way whatsoever. I rewatched the episode with subs (since I saw the stream) and I don't see the problem here. Yes, it lacks about 30-40 seconds of Lancer monologue explaining that he was holding back because he wants to give Tohsaka's nasu a taste of his Gay Bulge, but aside from that, the fight was excellent. Seriously, Rho Aius is gorgeous and they actually showed Archer being blown away by it. I understand people saying that Caster and Kuzuki's death lacked impact, but did really anyone care about them in the VN? They were mediocre villains that got close to no screen time to care enough about them, this is no difference (well, they actually tried, even though Medea's flashback was badly done in general). UBW central theme and most important characters are Shirou , everyone else was there for the ride and as build up for his development so that he could man up. I honestly don't see why people try to put these character (including Rider, Illya or HF/Fate Lancer) in a pedestal because they were almost as lackluster in the VN Anyway, the next fight in the next few episodes are the climax of the arc and, IMO, the pinnacle of F/SN, so I'm really looking foward to it. |
| Even I admit that episode was kinda fucked up even though I normally defend the show. I strongly recommend everyone to read the VN as it is actually a much better experience in my mind. Yes some fights aren't as grand but conversely, caster and kuzuki vs rin and shirou was far more dramatic in the VN. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Zeally said: do you even know what deus ex machina is ? lol Plot armor then. Whatever. I just see it as an unsolvable situation for Archer, being solved by Nasu saying simply "nope" with little to no logic behind it. |
Shrimperor said: CookingPriest said: Tbh anime lacks in atmosphere overall. They are too focused on all the fights to set up the atmosphere or how characters FEEL in situations or the tension they feel or the things they think about. It has been some of biggest pet peeves I had with the adaptation since the very start. Imo, it's more like they can't show dramatic/tragic things properly. Which is what I just said? Its like everything in anime is someone doing a play, instead of things actually happening and us FEELING what those characters feel there. |
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Drake1000 said: R- said: Not like he has anything better to wish for either way Did you really watch F/Z? dude. save one loli is like saving an entire town. isnt that wat F/Z was about ?? :3 |
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| It's honestly kind of weird to come back, when even though I think there are very obvious problems with the adaption, they don't kill it for me. However... You know, something really just bothered me about this episode. I really didn't like it that much...at all. And that surprises me, because this is one of my favorite parts of the entire game. But that might be the reason why. Anyway, sure, at least the Lancer versus Archer confrontation was impressive and a good watch. But everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, about the events inside of the church was just so underwhelming. Shirou looked like absolute garbage, and I mean that - Kuzuki doing absolutely nothing as it seems like he waits for Shirou to get back up effectively killed dramatic tension, the entire Caster vs. Rin magecraft-off was just boring, and the absolute best part of this scene and my second favorite part of the entire route, Rin going Iron Fist, was short, disappointingly bland, and lacked impact overall. The deaths were another story altogether. Unceremonious, undramatic, I hardly cared. Everything on the tail end of the episode felt sp damn lazy. And that sucks. Maybe I'm alone on this. Maybe I just overhyped myself and the finished product was incapable of living up to my expectations. But I can't help but feel hollow after all of that - this is the episode was the one where everyone was supposed to be on the edge of their damn seat the entire time, screaming in shock at the betrayal, the "Trace On", etc; instead it was all just rather humdrum. |
WAD1992 said: Zeally said: [/spoiler][spoiler] Except you didn't have to think much if at all to conclude what Mathias2001 just said. still doesn't change the fact that the 2 MC are wearing some really MIGHTY plot armor man. i enjoy the show and all, but lets be honest with ourselves a bit here -_- They're not. Lemme give you a simple explanation. For every decision that is made, there is an alternate universe in which the decision ISN'T made. The UBW Universe we're seeing now is a universe in which the two MCs have not died yet. Bad Ends exist all over the VN, and are a perfect example of this. There is no such thing as 'plot armour'. It's just a retarded word fans use, and its as idiotic as the word 'overrated'. There is a universe in which Rin doesn't do kung-fu, and is killed by Caster, along with Shirou. There is also a universe in which Caster is killed before Raw Ass and Gay Bulge happens. It's just a matter of perspective. We're just lucky enough to be looking at a timeline in which the MCs aren't killed. |
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Kaixe-Rho said: It's honestly kind of weird to come back, when even though I think there are very obvious problems with the adaption, they don't kill it for me. However... You know, something really just bothered me about this episode. I really didn't like it that much...at all. And that surprises me, because this is one of my favorite parts of the entire game. But that might be the reason why. Anyway, sure, at least the Lancer versus Archer confrontation was impressive and a good watch. But everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, about the events inside of the church was just so underwhelming. Shirou looked like absolute garbage, and I mean that - Kuzuki doing absolutely nothing as it seems like he waits for Shirou to get back up effectively killed dramatic tension, the entire Caster vs. Rin magecraft-off was just boring, and the absolute best part of this scene and my second favorite part of the entire route, Rin going Iron Fist, was short, disappointingly bland, and lacked impact overall. The deaths were another story altogether. Unceremonious, undramatic, I hardly cared. Everything on the tail end of the episode felt sp damn lazy. And that sucks. Maybe I'm alone on this. Maybe I just overhyped myself and the finished product was incapable of living up to my expectations. But I can't help but feel hollow after all of that - this is the episode was the one where everyone was supposed to be on the edge of their damn seat the entire time, screaming in shock at the betrayal, the "Trace On", etc; instead it was all just rather humdrum. Pretty much how I felt. I hope the learn from their UBW mistakes and make HF a true really good adaptation. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Kaixe-Rho said: It's honestly kind of weird to come back, when even though I think there are very obvious problems with the adaption, they don't kill it for me. However... You know, something really just bothered me about this episode. I really didn't like it that much...at all. And that surprises me, because this is one of my favorite parts of the entire game. But that might be the reason why. Anyway, sure, at least the Lancer versus Archer confrontation was impressive and a good watch. But everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, about the events inside of the church was just so underwhelming. Shirou looked like absolute garbage, and I mean that - Kuzuki doing absolutely nothing as it seems like he waits for Shirou to get back up effectively killed dramatic tension, the entire Caster vs. Rin magecraft-off was just boring, and the absolute best part of this scene and my second favorite part of the entire route, Rin going Iron Fist, was short, disappointingly bland, and lacked impact overall. The deaths were another story altogether. Unceremonious, undramatic, I hardly cared. Everything on the tail end of the episode felt sp damn lazy. And that sucks. Maybe I'm alone on this. Maybe I just overhyped myself and the finished product was incapable of living up to my expectations. But I can't help but feel hollow after all of that - this is the episode was the one where everyone was supposed to be on the edge of their damn seat the entire time, screaming in shock at the betrayal, the "Trace On", etc; instead it was all just rather humdrum. Certainly not alone. Lancer vs Archer and the gae bolg launch were the saving grace of the episode. And even that had problems with Archer barely even nervous against that attack. |
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Mathias2001 said: [*] They barely showed Shirou vs Kuzuki and Shirou looked like shit in that fight. I mean, he does struggle at the end, but it was so short that it made him seem useless. If Saber can't defeat a Caster magic upgraded Kuzuki, how the fuck does Shirou stand a chance? Just saying, I mean like, Kuzuki isn't weak and if they would be close to equal, it would be ridiculous. You've got it all wrong. Saber can defeat Kuzuki, however she was taken by surprise in their first battle and therefore got rekt. That was a gimmick, just like Rin did to kick Caster's ass this time around. It only works once. Like I said, Shirou does get beaten towards the end, but the fact that they didn't show the rest of the engagement makes it look like Shirou didn't even manage to buy Rin some time. And by the way, Shirou is much more capable than you realize. |
| Can someone, please, explain to me how is Caster one of the deeper characters in UBW? All I remember, and I re-read the novel around six months ago, is that she acted pretty much like a bad Bond Villain the entire time and then at a certain point she got one or maybe two intermissions at best where her personality is too quickly summarized in a couple of sentences. I always considered her one of the worst characters, suffering from the same poor character development of people like Kozuki (which gets nothing at all) and Assassin. Ataraxia is another thing of course. |
| The fight choreography with archer vs lancer was good too. Read the VN then marathon the anime for awesome fight scenes and story recap (+ a bit of extra knowledge about certain events). I would compare my feeling with this episode to the feeling I felt with the hobbit films (obviously not to the same extent as those movies). There was some awesome spectacle stuff but the kinda fucked up a few things from the novel. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Ukyo9 said: Can someone, please, explain to me how is Caster one of the deeper characters in UBW? All I remember, and I re-read the novel around six months ago, is that she acted pretty much like a bad Bond Villain the entire time and then at a certain point she got one or maybe two intermissions at best where her personality is too quickly summarized in a couple of sentences. I always considered her one of the worst characters, suffering from the same poor character development of people like Kozuki (which gets nothing at all) and Assassin. Ataraxia is another thing of course. Because Caster x Kuzuki is a better couple than Rin x Shirou |
| If I was watching this without having read the VN, I still would have said it was far above your standard shounen stuff like seraph of the end. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Ukyo9 said: Can someone, please, explain to me how is Caster one of the deeper characters in UBW? She isn't. She just gets explored the most out of the other routes and some confuse this with having depth. |
mira-nyan said: WAD1992 said: [/spoiler] still doesn't change the fact that the 2 MC are wearing some really MIGHTY plot armor man. i enjoy the show and all, but lets be honest with ourselves a bit here -_- They're not. Lemme give you a simple explanation. For every decision that is made, there is an alternate universe in which the decision ISN'T made. The UBW Universe we're seeing now is a universe in which the two MCs have not died yet. Bad Ends exist all over the VN, and are a perfect example of this. There is no such thing as 'plot armour'. It's just a retarded word fans use, and its as idiotic as the word 'overrated'. There is a universe in which Rin doesn't do kung-fu, and is killed by Caster, along with Shirou. There is also a universe in which Caster is killed before Raw Ass and Gay Bulge happens. It's just a matter of perspective. We're just lucky enough to be looking at a timeline in which the MCs aren't killed. Oh yeah good point, over the entire VN there are 40 bad ends with a good portion of those being dead ends. If you where watching the anime without the context of the Vn it does seem like they have plot armour. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
mira-nyan said: WAD1992 said: [/spoiler] still doesn't change the fact that the 2 MC are wearing some really MIGHTY plot armor man. i enjoy the show and all, but lets be honest with ourselves a bit here -_- They're not. Lemme give you a simple explanation. For every decision that is made, there is an alternate universe in which the decision ISN'T made. The UBW Universe we're seeing now is a universe in which the two MCs have not died yet. Bad Ends exist all over the VN, and are a perfect example of this. There is no such thing as 'plot armour'. It's just a retarded word fans use, and its as idiotic as the word 'overrated'. There is a universe in which Rin doesn't do kung-fu, and is killed by Caster, along with Shirou. There is also a universe in which Caster is killed before Raw Ass and Gay Bulge happens. It's just a matter of perspective. We're just lucky enough to be looking at a timeline in which the MCs aren't killed. mmm, okay, that was a nice explanation. and i get it , u guys like the show I DO TOO ^^; but that still doesn't justify for example caster taking a decision like keeping them alive after she already had archer under control (it really does not make one ounce of sense). but if u like to think of a way of making sense out of it, then, it's your call i guess. either way, that's all i had to say about this issue, and i dont really get wat the fuss is about, i mean even FMAB had really thick plot armor and that show is EXTREMELY popular. |
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fst said: Because Caster x Kuzuki is a better couple than Rin x Shirou Those are some fighting words. |
Curry-Priest said: UBWdeen>>>UBWufo The rush is the same. At least UBWdeen dont have fillers xD Yeah they just condense 20+ hours worth of content into a 1hr 40 minutes, 'cause that's even better right? Nice job deen lol |
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SH4kun said: fst said: Because Caster x Kuzuki is a better couple than Rin x Shirou Those are some fighting words. Get that Fate/HF bullshit out of here. |
black1blade said: If I was watching this without having read the VN, I still would have said it was far above your standard shounen stuff like seraph of the end. Gr8 b8 m8. I r8 8/8 8D |
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| I kinda wish that Garcher vs Lancer wasn't so short but the fight was so great ;-; Also, why no Gil in this episode ;-; I watched the ubw movie and I'm really happy ufotable isn't doing the same thing as Studio Deen. Awesome music, amazing art, no complains. 5/5 |
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WAD1992 said: mira-nyan said: They're not. Lemme give you a simple explanation. For every decision that is made, there is an alternate universe in which the decision ISN'T made. The UBW Universe we're seeing now is a universe in which the two MCs have not died yet. Bad Ends exist all over the VN, and are a perfect example of this. There is no such thing as 'plot armour'. It's just a retarded word fans use, and its as idiotic as the word 'overrated'. There is a universe in which Rin doesn't do kung-fu, and is killed by Caster, along with Shirou. There is also a universe in which Caster is killed before Raw Ass and Gay Bulge happens. It's just a matter of perspective. We're just lucky enough to be looking at a timeline in which the MCs aren't killed. mmm, okay, that was a nice explanation. and i get it , u guys like the show I DO TOO ^^; but that still doesn't justify for example caster taking a decision like keeping them alive after she already had archer under control (it really does not make one ounce of sense). but if u like to think of a way of making sense out of it, then, it's your call i guess. either way, that's all i had to say about this issue, and i dont really get wat the fuss is about, i mean even FMAB had really thick plot armor and that show is EXTREMELY popular. *Insert multiple universe rant here* Tl;dr No matter how stupid the decisions, we're watching only one of infinite timelines. She decides to kill them in another timeline. Just not this one. There is no such thing as plot armor. |
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