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Zeando said: Yep just means they did good with his characterization ;)it should have been predictable for almost everyone given the character yuu is, if it hadn't that would have been out of character he's just in a rush to get things done, since he's already a trained soldier and for unknown or dumb reasons (from his point of view) he's denied to join the action he wants |
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Confucius said: Can this be anymore predictable? Can you tell me exactly what will happen next episode, scene by scene? If so, then no, it can't get any more predictable than that. |
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fst said: Confucius said: Can this be anymore predictable? Can you tell me exactly what will happen next episode, scene by scene? If so, then no, it can't get any more predictable than that. Haha! I agree with you! People keep saying that this is very predictable. Then great, why don't they go there and talk to the director about the series. Have a nice chit-chat while drinking some tea. |
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Zeando said: Miragee said: it seems we both missed each other point thenYou failed to get my point. I can't see into the future and predict plot details. However, there is a difference when a plot point comes up and you can predict how it ends up. Like when they stood in front of the shrine door. You could be 99,9% sure that Yu would step in no matter what the other characters would have to say. my point was, why not talking about the story and/or future developments, speculating basically? (no one can predict anything, but anyone can make assumptions and speculations) instead of pointing out how obvious things are? sure anyone can point out obvious things if they want, but once you've pointed out everything, what is left to talk about? (assuming mal is a place to discuss shows, and not just to make sterile statements) i really can't speculate now, since i was following the manga before this anime got announced, but all the anime-only could instead tl;dr speculating is a win-win situation, cause you can only get it right and feel good for having predicted it or get it wrong and getting surprised saying "i predicted what was going to happen in the next 20 seconds" is easy mode speculation, it isn't enjoyable cause it's too easy, if you want to enjoy speculation you've to step up your level, and not just aiming for easy wins Well, I kind of agree but it also depends on the show. If you have mystery series, thrillers etc. you can probably speculate a lot more. If you have a romcom, comedy etc. you probably don't have much to speculate about. It also depends on how well the mystery is set. For example, when I watched Monster I visited the forums a lot because it really added to my enjoyment to mix my own thoughts with thoughts of others. In a show like Seraph however, there isn't much to speculate about for the time being. That might change later but atm. we only get direct spoilers (from what I heard, since I don't watch OPs/EDs/PVs) but little to no teasers within the show. The writing isn't suspense, either. As said, that might change and I hope it does. AlexTheRiot said: Zeando said: Yep just means they did good with his characterization ;)it should have been predictable for almost everyone given the character yuu is, if it hadn't that would have been out of character he's just in a rush to get things done, since he's already a trained soldier and for unknown or dumb reasons (from his point of view) he's denied to join the action he wants I disagree. It's a difference whether you want to build a realistic character or a stereotypical one. The first one doesn't always react as you expect, much like normal humans don't react the same to similar situation. The second one is a steril creation. It's more the norm than it is an exception that writers fail to create realistic characters instead of fixed tropes; characters of which the viewer thinks they have their own mind instead of an insert script behind their visage. The problem with the steril type of character often is that they don't develop in a realistic manner, either. Either they don't develop at all or they develop really mercurial and uncontinously. On a side note: I didn't say that the fact that his action was predictable is a bad thing. I just questioned how anyone could have been surprised by it. |
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| omg love the scythe gear/weapon so much - not sure when was the last time i saw scythe used as a weapon on anime or video game, Hiiragi is so adorable :) |
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Nisx said: omg love the scythe gear/weapon so much - not sure when was the last time i saw scythe used as a weapon on anime or video game, Hiiragi is so adorable :) Guild Wars <3 And yeah, the Scythe style from Shinoa was cool. |
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| I kind of like the outlines on the characters and the animation, but trying to surprise us with some sort of twist that the OP spoiled as soon as it could is really lame. |
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cyruz said: I kind of like the outlines on the characters and the animation, but trying to surprise us with some sort of twist that the OP spoiled as soon as it could is really lame. What twist? I'll just quote someone who answered this earlier. Shangetsu said: The thing is that you cannot call that a twist since it wasn't meant to be one to begin with. The story haven't even left the introduction stage and the fact that Mika is alive have been openly shown to the viewers. A twist is an unexpected and radical change to a story to surprise the viewers and keep them interested but for a story to change in a radical way it must first have a well established base. Mika being a vampire is part of this established base: The pieces have been set and the story start from here. It's not something that was meant to surprise anyone. There will be twists later but this wasn't one. It's kind of stupid to blame the work for having a bad twist simply because random people have been calling what isn't a twist, a twist. |
| For those of you who've stayed and managed to enjoy this thus far, congrats, you won't be disappointed. For those who try nitpicking at every single detail before the show even gets around to explaining it  ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??? :P It's been so long since I last read this chapter that I'd almost forgotten about what happened before the stupid classmate walked through those doors. Essentially, we're still at the prologue portion of the show. We don't get to the training portion till perhaps episode 5 or 6. At the pace this is going, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see them acquiring their respective demon weapons until near the end of the first cour. Heck, we haven't even been introduced to Shihou yet, much less Mitsuba. That said, I'm glad they aren't rushing anything. Many of you might be hoping for a fast-paced show like Aldnoah, but we all know where that ultimately went (off the broken tracks and straight down a cliff..... boom!), but there really is merit in slow world building. It's especially true for shows like this, where the socio-economic and geo-political structure are all very complex and require a lot of "exposing". Heck, you'll notice just how politically diverse the various Vampire "families" are in the very next episode. There's heavy politicking and under-table deals on both sides as well, making for a really complex show.... but I digress. Just keep at it and watch it yourself. I can pretty much assure that you'll be rewarded for it. That also goes for those complaining about Yuu being either too much of a "Lone wolf" or too "reckless", neither points I can attest to. He's confident in his abilities, and ignorant of where he stands in relative comparison to others. Still, he's smart enough not to take risks when it involves others. Not to worry though, because his development is pretty speedy in this series.... but again I digress. And yes Mika has become a Vamp, and judging by the previews, they're gonna explain it next episode as well. Overall it's pretty much the start I've been hoping for. Not rushed, and they're revealing a bit more about the world every episode. They'll keep doing so all the way till next cour, but that's how big and complex this world is, and that's also what makes the show so intriguing. I said it last episode, I'll say it again, this has the makings of a great series, y'all just need to be a bit more patient, and have a bit more faith. |
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| The only problem is if they go with manga pacing then make anime original end that disregards any foreshadowing/future events. Just make it another attack on titan where we have to wait 3 years for the next season.... |
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black1blade said: The only problem is if they go with manga pacing then make anime original end that disregards any foreshadowing/future events. Just make it another attack on titan where we have to wait 3 years for the next season.... The author already assured his fans not to worry about the anime going off-track since he's supervising the anime so I'll put my faith in him and the studio for now. Certainly hoping for the latter too. |
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| I'm going to disagree with some of the posters above. The way the show (and also the manga btw) framed it, Mika being alive and a vampire was supposed to be a surprise. (A cliched one but still.) The opening to the anime spoils that. (It also spoils the appearance and importance of certain other characters, but that seems common for anime openings.) |
stephen5000 said: I'm going to disagree with some of the posters above. The way the show (and also the manga btw) framed it, Mika being alive and a vampire was supposed to be a surprise. (A cliched one but still.) The opening to the anime spoils that. (It also spoils the appearance and importance of certain other characters, but that seems common for anime openings.) Then, how would you write a friend-turned-vampire story so it wouldn't look like it was supposed to be a surprise? |
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EasyGo-er said: stephen5000 said: I'm going to disagree with some of the posters above. The way the show (and also the manga btw) framed it, Mika being alive and a vampire was supposed to be a surprise. (A cliched one but still.) The opening to the anime spoils that. (It also spoils the appearance and importance of certain other characters, but that seems common for anime openings.) Then, how would you write a friend-turned-vampire story so it wouldn't look like it was supposed to be a surprise? Maybe show it of exactly when it happens? E.g. when the children tried to flee, Mika is being bitten, turns into a vampire while Yu watches in horror and then runs away like it was done in the series. |
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Miragee said: EasyGo-er said: Then, how would you write a friend-turned-vampire story so it wouldn't look like it was supposed to be a surprise? Maybe show it of exactly when it happens? E.g. when the children tried to flee, Mika is being bitten, turns into a vampire while Yu watches in horror and then runs away like it was done in the series. So, something ceased to be a surprise if you show it off exactly when it happens? |
EasyGo-er said: Miragee said: Maybe show it of exactly when it happens? E.g. when the children tried to flee, Mika is being bitten, turns into a vampire while Yu watches in horror and then runs away like it was done in the series. So, something ceased to be a surprise if you show it off exactly when it happens? It doesn't completly cease to be a surprise but the surprise sure grows weaker because it's one logical way out of the situation. If you randomly show it of much later it surprises the viewer by that fact alone: That it is shown out of context. That's probably also the reason why everyone calls it a plot twist - because it was sold as one. Leaving all the children and the vampire at the ground unconcious, covered in their own blood? And 2 episodes later one of them and the vampire is still alive? Surely that was not deliberately written that way to try and force surprise upon the viewer... Why would you, as a writer, let them be in a state where every half-intelligent viewer would assume they would die if there wasn't an ambulance coming in the next 5-10 minutes when it wasn't to set up for a surprise later? I mean, there was exactly no other reason for the writer to delay that information for the viewer. Sorry, I usually don't pick so much on this kind of stuff. I just have no clue why some people want to see past this so badly. Accept it and go on. Only because a bunch of people call out on it and don't think it's enjoyable doesn't that it can't be enjoyable for you, right? Even if you enjoy something to the fullest and think that it's the best thing ever it will still have its flaws. You should always keep that in mind and that other people might not enjoy these flaws even if they aren't important for your personal enjoyment. I have a whole bunch of groups of people I wouldn't recommend my 10/10 shows to. Just because I know of the flaws those shows have. |
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Miragee said: EasyGo-er said: So, something ceased to be a surprise if you show it off exactly when it happens? It doesn't completly cease to be a surprise but the surprise sure grows weaker because it's one logical way out of the situation. If you randomly show it of much later it surprises the viewer by that fact alone: That it is shown out of context. That's probably also the reason why everyone calls it a plot twist - because it was sold as one. Leaving all the children and the vampire at the ground unconcious, covered in their own blood? And 2 episodes later one of them and the vampire is still alive? Surely that was not deliberately written that way to try and force surprise upon the viewer... Why would you, as a writer, let them be in a state where every half-intelligent viewer would assume they would die if there wasn't an ambulance coming in the next 5-10 minutes when it wasn't to set up for a surprise later? I mean, there was exactly no other reason for the writer to delay that information for the viewer. Sorry, I usually don't pick so much on this kind of stuff. I just have no clue why some people want to see past this so badly. Accept it and go on. Only because a bunch of people call out on it and don't think it's enjoyable doesn't that it can't be enjoyable for you, right? Even if you enjoy something to the fullest and think that it's the best thing ever it will still have its flaws. You should always keep that in mind and that other people might not enjoy these flaws even if they aren't important for your personal enjoyment. I have a whole bunch of groups of people I wouldn't recommend my 10/10 shows to. Just because I know of the flaws those shows have. Oh, I know and admit that this show has its own share of flaws alright. Sure, the author may have tried to surprise the readers in some way, but the way some of the people here called it out as some kind of a grand plot twist that the author planned and failed at that when it really isn't have been really annoying so far. The show is still in the phase of setting up the stage so there shouldn't be anything that can be called a plot twist for the moment imo. Looks like I've reached my breaking point this time so I'll try harder to restrain myself next time. |
EasyGo-erApr 24, 2015 2:32 AM
EasyGo-er said: Miragee said: It doesn't completly cease to be a surprise but the surprise sure grows weaker because it's one logical way out of the situation. If you randomly show it of much later it surprises the viewer by that fact alone: That it is shown out of context. That's probably also the reason why everyone calls it a plot twist - because it was sold as one. Leaving all the children and the vampire at the ground unconcious, covered in their own blood? And 2 episodes later one of them and the vampire is still alive? Surely that was not deliberately written that way to try and force surprise upon the viewer... Why would you, as a writer, let them be in a state where every half-intelligent viewer would assume they would die if there wasn't an ambulance coming in the next 5-10 minutes when it wasn't to set up for a surprise later? I mean, there was exactly no other reason for the writer to delay that information for the viewer. Sorry, I usually don't pick so much on this kind of stuff. I just have no clue why some people want to see past this so badly. Accept it and go on. Only because a bunch of people call out on it and don't think it's enjoyable doesn't that it can't be enjoyable for you, right? Even if you enjoy something to the fullest and think that it's the best thing ever it will still have its flaws. You should always keep that in mind and that other people might not enjoy these flaws even if they aren't important for your personal enjoyment. I have a whole bunch of groups of people I wouldn't recommend my 10/10 shows to. Just because I know of the flaws those shows have. Oh, I know and admit that this show has its own share of flaws alright. Sure, the author may have tried to surprise the readers in some way, but the way some of the people here called it out as some kind of a grand plot twist that the author planned and failed at that when it really isn't have been really annoying so far. The show is still in the phase of setting up the stage so there shouldn't be anything that can be called a plot twist for the moment imo. Looks like I've reached my breaking point this time so I'll try harder to restrain myself next time. No problem, I know how annoying it can be. Most people don't care about the tone and the way they voice out their opinions with and don't think about the fact that it might affect other people. On MAL this is especially the case: lots of call-outs in either direction without adding arguments (or thought-terminating clichés that aren't real arguments at all). It's rare that you have at least halfway of a serious discussion on MAL. |
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| Mikaela comes back as a vampire, hoped he has the skills to take down the Imperial Demon Army :D I like Shinoa's weapon a lot :) |
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| Cool little fight at the start of the ep and the not so twist childhood friend returns. |
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| so much yaoi |
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| Shinoa sure looked like she was having fun showing off her scythe. Looked beautiful, like she was dancing. |
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| I really like Shinoa and this episode showed she's got some skills with a scythe to back that sass of hers :D Yu is really channeling Eren with that revenge speech. Despite the similarities, I'm still enjoying the show. |
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| Loli vampire :O "licks lips" ;) Solid episode, so the monsters are not on the vampires side? :( |
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| This show is awful. I cannot get behind the main character at all. He has little to no relatibility, he's stupidly impulsive, and you can't get more cliche than a revenge plot. The animation is pretty good, but I really dislike how the art is utilized. In the dramatic part of the first episode and the scene where MC and Shinoa (granted, she is basically the only remotely good thing about this show, and her dialogue is well handled) have their little sparring session was so badly lit and the colours were so bright. Both scenes had such a bright look, which completely contrasted with what was actually happening on screen. I could go on and on about the school setting and the various plot inconsistencies, but then I would be here forever. |
| Was pretty darn obvious from the start that Mika is a vampire. Yuu please don't take anymore risks x) |
| Well i was surprised that Vampire royal asshole fell down from the gunshot in the first place. So i am not surprised he is still alive and fine. The friend being alive and a vampire was something the op already made sure we know. Probably stupid MAL users would have spoiled it with innuendos anyway. Btw he looks older too. How does that work. To vampires grow until they stop at a certain age? Eager to learn how the humans discovered the whole demon weapon thing. Inori_is_love said: Shinoa is so fucking amazing best girl Not that hard when you are the only girl. Saying best girl when no other had any significant air time yet is kind of pointless. |
MonadMay 9, 2015 5:50 AM
| Episode surprises me more for the sets and for the narrative. The latter has no defects due to the slow pace, but rather the little involvement tried so far. The work of the WIT Studio is very good. The dialogues still spin smoothly and have their own logic, that's why I'm loving this anime while still not convinced. |
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| Shinoa reminds me of Yuno Gasai |
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| Still like it quite a lot of so far, but if there's anymore magical bullshit there is a chance I can't take it seriously anymore. Looks "realistic" enough for now though, and that I like. And best girl really is best girl. 11/10 Darker is always better. |
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| Shinoa's scythe is awesome! And Mika's a vampire now. D: |
| Yuu aside, yay for Mika! I'm glad they didn't put him off. |
| I knew Mika would be alive... I confess I don't like the MC much |
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| Shinoa's scythe is BEAUTIFUL. THAT is a weapon to lust after. Screw the axe. I can't wait to see what weapon Yuu will be getting, TBH. I have a deep love for weapons of this sort. The twist at the end was very predictable IMO, but still pretty cool. |
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