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| Decent start for the final season. Animation was very nice and the surreal direction is definitely something I'd like to see more often. Admittedly though, this felt more like a huge epilogue to Nadeko's arc and a setup for what's yet to come (Ougi) than an arc that fully delves into the characters in an in-depth scale. Surprisingly more plot-centric than character-focused too, and while that's not necessarily bad, it does feel less weighty in the way that the story is delivered. I do like how it thoughtfully foreshadowed future plot threads, though Araragi is sorely lacking in initiative/foresight and his character often tends to shine better in Hanekawa's past arcs. Araragi's reliance on his vampire powers is something I've been wondering all this time, so it was nice to see them create some form of repercussion with his non-stop use of them. Ononoki as a mainstay is more than welcome, as her dialogue style brings some nice chemistry with Araragi that feels fresh than tired. Kagenui sticks out as the highlight for me though. Her personality makes for a nice contrast to Kaiki's recent showings and I'd love to see more of her in the future. 7/10 - Decent start for the final season, though not as good as Second Season's offerings (story-wise) especially after the powerhouse stories of Hanekawa (NekoShiro), Nadeko (Otori), Kaiki (Koi) and Kanbaru (Hana). The animation looked more gorgeous than ever. Ononoki was a delight and Kagenui sticks out as the highlight. It definitely feels more like a build-up than a full-blown character arc, which pulled it back from delivering that well-rounded experience that Monogatari tends to excel at. Jonesy974 said: Side note: soooo technically this event comes before Hana right? I don't see why they released Hana first when that took place after Araragi was already in college. The Monogatari Series is never so much concerned about chronology, rather it's all about storytelling. Hanamonogatari's narrative structure as a self-contained arc focusing on a character other than Araragi fits with the formula of Second Season. It makes sense that it's released first considering how this seems to be setting up a different kind of formula than the arcs we've seen in Second Season. |
ronriJan 3, 2015 8:25 PM
| I prefer Hanamonogatari over this. Still good overall. LOL! Shinobu and Ononoki building snowman. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| I get bad vibes from Ougi just like the rest of you especially leaning towards him/her being the final conflict with his lies and manipulation. Though their character goes around to make things "proper" doesn't mean they go about the nicest way of doing it but I think that links back to them "punishing the liars" like they said before. Meme Oshino coming back will start bringing things it to light. The manipulation to me seemed not to put distance between Ononoki and Araragi like they said, but around Araragi being improper. Even Teori said something along the lines of not going to be used to turn Araragi into a full vampire. Combine that with him being somewhat of a half vampire he's improper in Ougi's eyes and if he became full vampire specialists such as Kagenui would have to take action which would bring about his punishment. With all that being said I can't say Ougi, whoever they really are, is evil they just go by their own code. I like how we get tidbits of knowledge about them in most of the recent arks so I like their development and the mysteriousness behind them but still can't shake the final boss vibes I get. lol |
skudoops said: Anyone else think the true objective of this whole ordeal was to weaken the relationship with shinobu and araragi rather than his relationship with Ononoki as well as to further deter him from using his vampire power? Also the OST was pretty good, I liked it particularly when Kagenui was talking to araragi. I think the whole ordeal was to actually have Araragi become a full vampire by forcing him with the fight that was suppose to happen. I think Teori directly said this and decided not to be a "pawn" in this grand scheme and denied whoever wanted that to happen. Idk what the (assuming) two opposing masterminds behind all this are planning but I think one of them wants Araragi to be close to Shinobu as much as possible and only her. |
| Man, what a way to start New Year. Really loved the new style of the in-between texts and all the foreshadowing. I think i liked this a little better than Hana, the ending was slightly underwhelming though. Soundtrack and art were magnificent as always. Specially the OST at the 40-50 and 50-55 mark, god i love that. So that's why we never see Yotsuru touching the ground huh? Interesting. I'm glad they mentioned Nadeko, i hope she plays a role again in the future. Gotta love that Araragi... Shame that Teori died so fast, he knew he was a pawn, so he decided to go against his role, but in the end he was doing exactly what he was 'casted' to do in the first place, to destroy Araragi's image of Ononoki. I think it's fairly obvious that the one they were referring to is Ougi. 9.6/10, once again this series never ceases to amaze me, eargerly waiting for S3. Score may rise or drop upon further reflection. I actually managed to follow most of the dialogue! 5/5 |
PriestSlayerJan 4, 2015 9:04 PM
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| Thank you for the delicious Tsukihi fanservice. Her arc was short and didn't give her as much screentime as the other girls. Long haired Tsukihi is fine by me. Also, Senjougahara didn't hesitate to make the move. Very swift and strong plays there. |
| Great as always, I see they've changed a few things which is pretty nice (such as backgrounds' style and the text panels). I haven't read Tsukimonogatari myself yet, so idk in how much detail did this adaption go through it, but this felt slightly rushed and I would've wanted to get to hear/know a bit more about Tadatsuru... Loved the end scene with Senjougahara~ Still though, I can't really say why but I didn't enjoy Tsuki quite as much as I've enjoyed most of the other monogataris. 8/10 overall |
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| after hana this is exactly what i was hoping for, |
| Koyokoyo... LOL |
| I like how Ararargi is slowly losing control of the events around him. He used to be able to be the hero, save people, set things 'right', then starting with the snail girl, we unable to do anything in the end. He barely helped at all. he just had to watch. And now that seems to be the way things are going. He can't intervene at all anymore. Hes mostly helpless. I wonder how much more theres gonna be. Araraargi's harem is pretty much either dead, gone, shut out or related to him. Hes all but powerless, and something REAL sinister is brewing... |
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Urek said: great show... i want moar EDIT: though i didnt was sure about the whole theme of this series... untill i stumbled upon a comment in reddit. /copypasted over: Basic synopsis of what happened: We already know that apparitions/oddities are created by, and live off of, perceptions. Multiple characters have said that, and Hachikuji's death is evidence (putting aside Ougi's dialogue in MG:SS). The fact that Koyokoyo is becoming a vampire again makes total sense in that regard, especially after fighting Nadeko's god form almost every day. His perception of himself is that he has (limited) powers borrowed from Acerola Orion Heart-Under-Blade. He's lived that way for so long because he now has the power to deal with people's problems, and he can't resist helping them. This is the main point of this arc... even when his task is saving his family and one of his friends, he refuses the easiest plan, because he doesn't want to make Ononogi into a murderer. If they had gone with his original plan, he would definitely have had to use his vampire powers, and lost his humanity even more. That's basically what he has been doing all along, and he even says himself that he would probably do it again if Senjougahara or Hanekawa were in danger. That's why, for me, the best line in the show was (paraphrasing), "Yeah, I killed him. I'm a monster. Don't turn into a monster." His determination to help people, no matter what, is what defines Araragi "Koyokoyo" Koyomi. He was prepared to do anything to help as many people as he could, but for once, he had to accept his human capabilities and he wasn't willing to do it. That's where Ononogi saves the day. Tsukimonogatari started with a conversation about whether Ononogi is human. It ended with the answer, from her own mouth: "I'm a monster. You can still be human, if even just a little bit." now... i gotta say, i love this even more *_* Ononoki is the real MVP here. |
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| I dont think i can handle Dere Senjougahara anymore...Its just,too much... And they keep teasing us with Oshino...Will he be the real final boss or something... |
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| Totally wanted to see a scene where the sisters & Kanbaru woke up realizing they were in the opposite futons they got in. Curse Araragi's ability to smell the difference. XD At least we got the scene with Ononoki's reaction to Shinobu's prideful behavior. To think it was a curse that prevented Kagenui from walking on the ground. I assumed there was some other reason. I even believed that was the reason Ononoki was in the arcade machine, to prevent herself from being stepped on. Seriously, why was she in there beside attracting too much attention?! I'll miss this series... especially the "courage" episode from an earlier season. May even re-watch if I find the time. I'll admit, most of the comments about stuff going over peoples heads is true. It's especially true with me; however, it was still entertaining. |
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| I dont think I understood everything that happened here, but still liked it a lot. "oni no onii-chan" FTW :D BTW: Is Ougi some sort of evil villian or what? Im starting to think she is. |
NeutroNShivA said: I dont think I understood everything that happened here, but still liked it a lot. "oni no onii-chan" FTW :D BTW: Is Ougi some sort of evil villian or what? Im starting to think she is. >evil no >villain no >she did this! somehow |
| 8/10 lowest score i ever give to monogatari serie... |
Jarkzy said: The amount of content left right now is exactely the same that Monogatari Series SS covered. I really hope they announce Monogatari Series: Final season to be a two cour. Btw any speculation on when could it happen? one cour at best. 3 books with 9 parts aren't enough for 2 cours anyway. Not counting Koyomimonogatari though. |
yukaru00 said: Jarkzy said: The amount of content left right now is exactely the same that Monogatari Series SS covered. I really hope they announce Monogatari Series: Final season to be a two cour. Btw any speculation on when could it happen? one cour at best. 3 books with 9 parts aren't enough for 2 cours anyway. Not counting Koyomimonogatari though. Adding Zoku-Owari would give them enough ground to cover two cours. And even without that, I can hardly conceive Owari being done in only one cour. Not counting Koyomimono too. |
Zetsubo22 said: yukaru00 said: one cour at best. 3 books with 9 parts aren't enough for 2 cours anyway. Not counting Koyomimonogatari though. Adding Zoku-Owari would give them enough ground to cover two cours. And even without that, I can hardly conceive Owari being done in only one cour. Not counting Koyomimono too. Zoku Owari is almost similar page count as Tsuki. It will most probably take 3- 4 episodes max, and it serves as extra epilogue, while Ougi Dark conclude the series. If Shaft is to make 2 cour, they will need to adapt Koyomi too as the season tie-in. But then again, Koyomi arcs were meant as shorts and I find it hard for Shaft to jumble the arcs into third season. Third season will loses some momentum if Koyomi arcs is shoved directly into the season. |
| "Final" Season... Tsugimonogatari is already being written, so there'll still be something more even after all of the "Final" Season is done. (And the eternal wait for Kizu, as well...) |
slkrr said: "Final" Season... Tsugimonogatari is already being written, so there'll still be something more even after all of the "Final" Season is done. (And the eternal wait for Kizu, as well...) ouch my sides |
yukaru00 said: slkrr said: "Final" Season... Tsugimonogatari is already being written, so there'll still be something more even after all of the "Final" Season is done. (And the eternal wait for Kizu, as well...) ouch my sides Why? Was that not a real announcement or something...? |
slkrr said: yukaru00 said: ouch my sides Why? Was that not a real announcement or something...? He didn't said that he already writing it. Not to mention, he didn't even said that Tsugimonogatari will be new Monogatari series. It will most probably just a spinoff or another gatari series like Katanagatari which is completely not related to Bakemonogatari series. |
yukaru00 said: He didn't said that he already writing it. Not to mention, he didn't even said that Tsugimonogatari will be new Monogatari series. It will most probably just a spinoff or another gatari series like Katanagatari which is completely not related to Bakemonogatari series. I was just assuming the writing would be in progress based on the pace of how frequently previous stories had been released... but, yeah, it may still be further off than that. It would seem to be at least a spinoff of Monogatari series, since the title is written in the same style as previous Monogatari LNs. I guess we'll see how related it is whenever it appears. |
| My train of thought: I don't know if it was bad subtitles but they often used the word "proper" to describe the motives behind the actions and events. I personally took it as "conforming" or playing your given part, like the banter about "casting" towards the end. Araragi and the other specialist were extremely similar, perfect for their roles as opposing enemies. The specialist said that he didn't know the purpose of his actions, merely doing what was "proper". He urged Araragi to find Oshino to serve as a spectator and decipher this cryptic, fated tale. <---- This is what I get. What I'm having trouble wrapping my head around is Oougi's motives, which were said to be because it was "proper". But here the example of an equal scale is used. Like two ends of a spectrum. WAIT, I THINK I GET IT. She says "You could say I like being fair, to have the two sides of the balance scale evened out. I just want things to be proper. Proper." She also notes Oshino's doctrine of "only you can save yourself". I think by relying on the power of others around him, she sees the equilibrium as tipped. This why during the narration at the end it talks about the loss of recent characters (Nadeko, Kaiki, and Hachikuji), being the work of this same force/motive. Araragi is being isolated, dwindling his power to that of his own and restoring the scale. That's the purpose of this whole encounter, to push him apart from Yotsugi. And luckily this fails in the end. She stays with in order to spite this fate, an improper doll of improper actions. |
| Damn that part with Senjougahara was cute. |
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| Curse you Shaft!! Why are there no specific scenes of Senjouhara having intimate moments with Araragi, but there are scenes of implicit teasing? Why is there an explicit toothbrush incest scene in addition to Shinobu and snail girl kiss but no illustration of a Senjouhara kiss?!?! Curse you Shaft!! |
| Once again another Monogatari series of episodes manages to be whole heartedly entertaining, interesting, and just all around awesome.....even if they show very little action and very heavy on dialogue. 9/10 for Tsukimonogatari. I can't wait for the next season....which I hear will be part of the FINAL monogatari light novels.... That's gonna be both exciting and sad when it all finally ends. Seriously.....when the fuck will Kizumonogatari come out?!?!? WHAT DID ONONOKI'S PANTSU LOOK LIKE?!? |
--ALEX--Feb 13, 2015 6:41 PM
| Tsuki felt very different after Hana and sadly I liked chill and Bake reminiscent Hana way more than Tsuki, but that's just because of my weird character preferences. Tsuki focused a lot on Ononoki which is probably my least likeable character from Monogatari so it hindered my enjoyment a bit and probably makes this my least likeable entry of the series. Nonetheless, it was still cool and entertaining. Now how to survive till next Monogatari adaptation ;_; |
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| Fantastic. The thing that stood out for me the most was the art. The scenery was amazing, particularly the winter ice/snow backgrounds. I just got around to watching Tsukimonogatari, not because I had been putting it off but rather saving it to watch later. The first part was basically the Tsukihi equivalent of the toothbrushing scene. It was interesting that there were no red scenes/black scenes etc. and that they had been replaced by the scraps of note paper. Those coloured scenes had been in every arc until now. |
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| This arc definitely felt more like connective tissue than anything else. Even then, we still get some decent elaborations on characters. I have a feeling the stuff regarding Koyomi's vampirism would have more weight if I'd read Kizu first. Initially I was thinking that maybe Gaen was the one who was manipulating everybody, though they kept emphasizing Ougi, and that does seem more likely at this point due to stuff regarding her from other arcs. I also wonder if Teori is actually dead, or if he was even there to begin with. He was glowing the whole time, but nothing really came of it. I suppose it could just be presented that way depending on how Koyomi actually thinks of him, like how, when you think "hermit", you think "old guy isolated in the wilderness developing spiritual powers and trying to reach enlightenment". I'll be very curious to hear further elaborations on Ougi's worldview and reasons for doing what she does. She'd said previously that she wants to "punish the liars", and now she says she wants to make things proper. Along with the stuff about "casting", I'd think that "proper" refers to the notion that everything has its place and should stay there (roles and divisions in how we perceive things, in our lives more generally, and in society). And pretty much all the characters are liars, in that they all have lies they tell themselves to continue on in life in a way that's easier for them, even if it's not what's best for them. But that's what humans do. It's natural. When the lies get too big, they cause (or maybe "become" is a better word?) aberrations. So, if what's natural isn't proper (in Ougi's view), I wonder if that's like the idea that we should all strive to be "more than human" (not following any of our base or instinctual desires or impulses). But that's what Tsubasa had been doing, and the series as a whole clearly embraces humanity in all its shades. I feel like I'm missing something here that would connect "I want to punish the liars" with "I want things to be proper" (then again, maybe they're just two distinct ideas that don't connect). (I'm just theorizing/speculating and trying to fit ideas together here. This isn't really anything I feel is even remotely definite or concrete.) I really liked how they portrayed Yotsugi's "I'm a monster" thing, in tandem with the stuff from the beginning of ep. 1. Like everything else regarding humanity and inhumanity in the series, it's not just black and white. On the one hand you could say she's a monster for killing Teori, but you also need to consider her reasons for doing so, which may or may not be just what she explicitly says. I do think the point she was making to Koyomi by doing that was something he needed to hear (and I guess we'll see later on if he actually takes it to heart), but I'm having a hard time taking her "because I'm a monster" reason at face value. I also really liked the visuals, especially during the long sequence in the middle between Koyomi, Shinobu, Yotsugi, and Kagenui. I thought the presentation in general worked well to reflect Koyomi's more serious, somber demeanor as a result of what happens over the course of the arc. Combined with the music, it had a really chilling tone, in contrast to the other arcs so far where Koyomi is the POV character, which have had a lot more energy to them. |
SejinMar 18, 2015 7:58 PM
| Great series once again, shame the end was a bit anticlimactic. 9/10 |
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| That was really fun, and enjoyable, especially after Hana. The art and direction, felt exceptionally good in this (I really LOVE Shinbou's and his team direction in the Monogatari series, more than any other SHAFT show), sometimes, I was zoned out on the movements, subtle details and what's happening on screen, rather than following the dialogue. The body language of Onoki, and her little detailed movements, made me realize that I really like her, along with her voice acting. The meeting between Araragi and Kageuni really captured my interest, when Araragi first realized he is might be a vampire, it felt tense, especially considering prior to it, the tone wasn't serious at all. I can't help but feel like there is some big mystery surrounding Oshino's disappearance, and appearance of Ougi. There were probably some hints here, but they most likely went over my head. Still, I really miss Oshino ;_; Ahhh, Senjougahra <3. Seeing her at the very end, really made me smile like an idiot :] Somewhat Nostalgic finally seeing her and Araragi together at the same time, in her house. Super enjoyable and made remember how fun the series is. 9/10. I can't wait to see the rest of Final Season, I read that it's more plot heavy, and has a lot of mystery, and I'm looking forward to see it. |
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| Was so excited to watch this and wasn't disappointed, but rather wishing for more of the Monogatari series. Yotsugi has a good spotlight here, and Koyomi's vampire problem is finally coming true. Tsukimono had put the relationship of Yotsugi and Koyomi further and it really showed how Koyomi doesn't want her go, as well as Shinobu. Teori is quite interesting, kinda confused on how he became like that though and how he was confused about why was he in this world. Overall, loved it :3 Hope there are further Monogatari anime, since there are still lots of stuff in the novel, as well as this Next Season novel announced few months back. |
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| I wish Ononoki was in the UFO catcher when I was in Japan or anywhere lol. Anyway great OVA i give it a 9, that last seen with Hitagi though was great cause actually we havent seen much of them 2 talk to each other in the last series. Lucky Araragi! |
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| Very interesting arc. So, from my observations, Tadatsuru pretty much said "fuck this, I'm not going to play out this role that Ougi wants me to.", and allowed himself to get killed easily. Pretty intense, I really admired that. Same with Yotsugi staying with Araragi in the end. Why the hell should they go with this setup Ougi is trying to achieve, right? Man ever since he/she/it was first shown, I've hated Ougi. Can't wait to see more of this anime and see Ougi get "her" ass kicked. Loved seeing Senjougahara at the end there. She wasn't letting up for sure xD |
794Apr 3, 2015 3:11 PM
794 said: Ougi will be appearing in Owarimonogatari if this would ever be animated. Don't know what she/he/it would do there but Ougi might be the main character in that.Man ever since he/she/it was first shown, I've hated Ougi. Can't wait to see more of this anime and see Ougi get "her" ass kicked. |
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| I found very weak compared to other anime adaptations. |
| Agreed, this was a rather weak arc imo. |
 "To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" |
| What a way to end the end boss with one shot The scenes afterwards were great as well with Senjougahara and back home adding Ononoki to the household |
| This series are getting better and better. This arc was one of the arcs I've enjoyed the most, maybe because I love the fire sisters (specially tsukihi), Shinobu (Best Girl, no contest) and Doll is very, very cute in her own way. The story was very interesting too, but character-wise: Excellent! One of the best openings, too. 9/10 without a doubt and really looking forward for the final season and Kizumonogatari. |
| One of the things i haven't liked about these series is the way characters talk and talk and talk instead of doing something. Seemed even more pronounced in this arc as there really wasn't much going on anyway. Take out needless babble and the fanservice in 1st ep and you could make this a 2 ep arc easy. So 7/10 from me, when it was good it was very good... outside time stretching convos. |
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| It was decent I suppose, though all the previous arcs were better imo and more interesting. Maybe it was just because it was so short, but regardless still some decent episodes. 6/10. |
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| Hana>Tsuki |
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This one ended up with 8/10, lower than the rest of *monogatari. I felt it was missing "something" when compared to much of the rest of the series. I'm not sitting here thinking "OMG that was awesome!" It was still very good, that's all. In only a few seconds, Hitagi reaffirms her position in my favs. |
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| What? So after all that talking, Yotsugi just blew up the shrine and killed the guy? That's such bullshit, I hate anti-climaxes. Well, the good thing is that I'm finally done watching every Monogatari show up to this point, and I don't have to watch any Monogatari for a month. 2/5 for the episode, 3/10 for the show. |
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