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| The false flag operations, the shadowy government dealings, creating weaponized personnel, a nuclear weapons programs; all these I saw beforehand but I didn't think five would have gone out that way. A twist, but I'm not sure I agree with its direction. The biggest flaw is that they tried to throw in character building when they should have stuck with the plot. |
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orchidork said: so then what was the point of 5? did she really just want to beat 9 but when she realized she couldn't she decided to commit suicide (since she was going to die anyway)? Before her life ended, Five only wanted to beat Nine as he was the only one who she could never win against in the past. As for the suicide, I believe the events were positive for Five as she was successful in delaying/cancelling the press conference, leading to the bomb being released. Viewing it from that standpoint, she has technically thwarted Nine's goal(of having the press conference in the first place) and thus won over him. With her supposed victory, her purpose in life is complete, as someone earlier said that Nine (and the extension of beating him) was her raison d'etre. She knows she was going to die soon because of the experimental drug, and she's already killed the FBI guy or severely injured him. When all of this settles, she has no where else to go unless she wishes to face the consequences of her actions by the hands of the American government. Also on a completely random note, why I believe she decided to suicide in that fashion but has no logical backing is that Five has clearly demonstrated her love for going over the top (airport chess anyone?) and to go out with a "bang" seems to fit in with her nature/how she's been portrayed so far in the show. |
Nero-chi said: orchidork said: so then what was the point of 5? did she really just want to beat 9 but when she realized she couldn't she decided to commit suicide (since she was going to die anyway)? Before her life ended, Five only wanted to beat Nine as he was the only one who she could never win against in the past. As for the suicide, I believe the events were positive for Five as she was successful in delaying/cancelling the press conference, leading to the bomb being released. Viewing it from that standpoint, she has technically thwarted Nine's goal(of having the press conference in the first place) and thus won over him. With her supposed victory, her purpose in life is complete, as someone earlier said that Nine (and the extension of beating him) was her raison d'etre. She knows she was going to die soon because of the experimental drug, and she's already killed the FBI guy or severely injured him. When all of this settles, she has no where else to go unless she wishes to face the consequences of her actions by the hands of the American government. Also on a completely random note, why I believe she decided to suicide in that fashion but has no logical backing is that Five has clearly demonstrated her love for going over the top (airport chess anyone?) and to go out with a "bang" seems to fit in with her nature/how she's been portrayed so far in the show. i understand what you're saying. however, are we sure that 9 actually wanted to hold the press conference in the first place? what if 9 knew all along that 5 was going to go after him and decided to lure her out by using the press conference as an excuse? in the police truck 9 thinks "she's here, huh?" and he doesn't seem surprised. that kind of makes it seem like 9 planned the whole thing to occur which would mean that he actually beat 5. however, what i'm saying doesn't actually matter if 5 believes that she was able to beat 9 by preventing 9 from holding the press conference (as you've stated) |
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orchidork said: Nero-chi said: Before her life ended, Five only wanted to beat Nine as he was the only one who she could never win against in the past. As for the suicide, I believe the events were positive for Five as she was successful in delaying/cancelling the press conference, leading to the bomb being released. Viewing it from that standpoint, she has technically thwarted Nine's goal(of having the press conference in the first place) and thus won over him. With her supposed victory, her purpose in life is complete, as someone earlier said that Nine (and the extension of beating him) was her raison d'etre. She knows she was going to die soon because of the experimental drug, and she's already killed the FBI guy or severely injured him. When all of this settles, she has no where else to go unless she wishes to face the consequences of her actions by the hands of the American government. Also on a completely random note, why I believe she decided to suicide in that fashion but has no logical backing is that Five has clearly demonstrated her love for going over the top (airport chess anyone?) and to go out with a "bang" seems to fit in with her nature/how she's been portrayed so far in the show. i understand what you're saying. however, are we sure that 9 actually wanted to hold the press conference in the first place? what if 9 knew all along that 5 was going to go after him and decided to lure her out by using the press conference as an excuse? in the police truck 9 thinks "she's here, huh?" and he doesn't seem surprised. that kind of makes it seem like 9 planned the whole thing to occur which would mean that he actually beat 5. however, what i'm saying doesn't actually matter if 5 believes that she was able to beat 9 by preventing 9 from holding the press conference (as you've stated) To answer your question, I certainly cannot give a for sure answer if Nine wanted to hold the press conference. To me, it seemed like a cornered decision as his partner in crime just recently betrayed the location of the bomb last episode. However that then calls into question as to why Nine wanted to lure Five out? After he has lured her out, to what extent does handing himself over to the police advance his goals/ambition? It could then be hypothetical in thinking that Nine planned it out that the scuffle with Five would lead him to give the police the slip during transportation, although that is a really risky gamble to take. As for his reaction, I believe that Nine was able to predict that Five would chase after him, and thus why Nine set up one of his demands were to be the Japanese police (refusing to allow the American government) to escort him to the press conference, and for the many decoys (or is that a normal thing in society with multiple decoy trucks, I honestly do not know). With that theory, Nine is seen to be able to calculate that Five would interfere with the plan, and took some measures to counteract that. Although I do have to agree on the possibility of the thought that even though in the end, Five couldn't beat Nine (in terms of his bigger scale plan). |
RagingFlare said: YES! Five is dead. +1 |
| Bye Bye Five |
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| When I saw the gasoline comming out of the car, I knew someone would die, but I didn't expect five to suicide. That was a gigantic cliffhanger, perfect for an ending. Now I want to know if it is going to explode or if they are going to deactivate the bomb somehow. |
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| I expected that from 5, she has that vibe from the start. But it was unexpected to the plot, her character become so shallow. I don't understand what game she played even though i do understand at the same time. She want to prove she can beat 9, then so what??? i can't comprehend her, she close to being 1 dimensional character for me. 12 still into the game, isn't??? All in all it was a good episode, the plot progressed so much. 4/5 |
| Ah, I'm gonna miss this series. Too bad the plot couldn't sustain a longer series. |
| Such junk... |
| Five devellopement was a bit too... sudden. But her last scene was still great nonetheless. That ending video was badass. ''Sayonara, Japan.'' Twelve and Lisa make a cute couple. A cute terrorist failing at cooking couple. |
| «Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.» - Kurisu Makise a.k.a. The Zombie |
| Peace out 5 hope you had fun with your pointless game |
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| Hopefully Lisa dies next |
Sakubo777 said: For those confused about Five's goals: She basically knew she was dying as a result of the experiments during her childhood and wanted to beat Nine at least once before she died. Having cornered him in this episode, she achieved her last wish and decided to end her life. It isn't that hard to figure out. -_- Thissssssss She even says it too... I mean I agree that it all happened rather fast, but it isn't like it wasn't explained a bit. -______- |
| Great episode~ Cannot believe there is only one left Five... hm cannot believe she killed herself ... why...? Nero-chi said: Before her life ended, Five only wanted to beat Nine as he was the only one who she could never win against in the past. As for the suicide, I believe the events were positive for Five as she was successful in delaying/cancelling the press conference, leading to the bomb being released. Viewing it from that standpoint, she has technically thwarted Nine's goal(of having the press conference in the first place) and thus won over him. With her supposed victory, her purpose in life is complete, as someone earlier said that Nine (and the extension of beating him) was her raison d'etre. She knows she was going to die soon because of the experimental drug, and she's already killed the FBI guy or severely injured him. When all of this settles, she has no where else to go unless she wishes to face the consequences of her actions by the hands of the American government. Also on a completely random note, why I believe she decided to suicide in that fashion but has no logical backing is that Five has clearly demonstrated her love for going over the top (airport chess anyone?) and to go out with a "bang" seems to fit in with her nature/how she's been portrayed so far in the show. oooh thanks minouneetzoe said: Twelve and Lisa make a cute couple. A cute terrorist failing at cooking couple. lmao they do~ VanishingKira said:  NICE~ |
| eh... good episode minus the hocus pocus. 12 must be a magician or maybe telepathy. 5's motives still unclear as ever. i guess she just wanted to play with him. ah well |
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| "Hi I'm Sphinx 1 and I'm here to turn myself in. Oh you don't believe me?" *dons mask* *the entire building panics* I didn't really like how the story developed after Five was introduced but kudos to the masterful direction and execution for making everything look better. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| This show is kind of marred by lackluster animation. However, that certainly did not make this episode bad, it was pretty great. I honestly never really liked Five until this point, for some reason. Her death scene was well done, and the entire episode was well directed. Cant wait to see how this resolves. (More Lisa please?) |
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naens said: or maybe because people actually enjoy it and are not on the 5 hatewaggon? yeah crazy eh?So 5 made half of the show extremely bad. But, just one episode left? I hope it will be better. It's very sad when a show gets popular only because a certain person is working on it. It's not something that makes the show better than other shows. |
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| sorry but 9 would not be able to just run from that accident and 5 would of been passed out in that second collision and would definately not be able to walk like that in real life |
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| Five is going down as the ultimate Yandere. She lived her whole life, joins the police, blows up a subway, kills a police officer, to find a guy that she could never beat in a game, to pretty much say I love you. Then kills herself. |
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| A good penultimate episode, we see the death of 5 and a lot of driving action. Clearly the video at the end is actually 12 with a black wig, because 9 never smiles. Maybe that means that the atomic bomb wasn't a failsafe after all? I know they didn't want to actually kill anyone, they just wanted to bring the Japanese government's plots to light. Fascinated to see how the final episode plays out, I just hope we don't get a non-ending like Tokyo Ghoul did. YouAreNotSugoi said: sorry but 9 would not be able to just run from that accident and 5 would of been passed out in that second collision and would definately not be able to walk like that in real life They're not normal humans, they were experimented on to be stronger, smarter, tougher. They're supposed to be superhumans. Note that everyone else in the car was unconscious or dead, 9 was the only one who was still able to be on his feet. |
| So Near five is dead. Why couldn't they have done this in Death Note? Oh well, episode was all over the place, but five's rather impressive looking last moments were a surprising highlight. |
| My Five x Nine ship sailed and then sinked all in a matter of 30 seconds :( |
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| This show literally makes 0 sense. She chases down this nigga for 5 episodes just to give him a kiss (gayest kiss ever btw) and go boom like Osama. Wtf i dont get this crazy bitch. Extremely unsatisfied. And lisa being useless as usual, smh |
| Ayy lmao. 5/5 This show has been amazing so far. I was expecting more explanation for certain things, but overall I think this has been truly awesome. Looking forward the last ep. P.S: I'm giving this show 9 out of 10. See what I did there? Lol |
| wow This episode was amazing, full of surprises from start to finish, Nine surrendering herself to police, Twelve acting like a sucker and Five saving Nine Rip Five, but she said goodbye in style, and even had the bomb dropped and the information being disclosed to throughout the population, Nine is even a great protagonist Only one more episode, eager to see how it will end this anime that is already one of the best of the year .. |
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| awesome episode awesome cliffhanger can't wait for next episode |
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| Honestly, if this show didn't have such great art and an amazing staff working on it then I doubt it would be this highly rated and popular. I'll admit it's thrilling to watch and explores some really interesting concepts, but it also just kind of...doesn't make sense half the time. Five's motives are flimsy and unclear at best, and Twelve and Nine's intentions aren't really that clear either. Lisa is still useless. The characters don't really change throughout the series, and the only one who kind of develops is Nine. This anime is honestly enjoyable to watch, but doesn't make much sense after you think about it a little. |
| The highlight of this episode for me was Shibazaki speaking to the old politician Mamiya. If anyone's familiar with East Asian international relations, Mamiya's plan to create "an independent Japan" and rewriting the constitution is very relevant right now, what with the Shinzo Abe administration taking a much more aggressive stance on Japanese foreign policy, visiting almost 50 countries in just 20 months, and generally loosening the Article 9 restrictions on the constitution, which is why Japan is in the process of selling next-gen combat submarines to Australia. BTW, that unmasking moment at the end was one of the most dramatic unmasks I've seen in a long time, beaten only by Lelouch's unmasking at the end of Code Geass season 1 or Corvo Attano taking off the mask for the High Regent in Dishonored. |
| wait, why did Arata hand himself over to the police if he had an automated message ready, he didn't need to get arrested and go to a conference did he? |
| So ya, the FBI can just, kill cops now I guess... OK... All of that build up! Ended with... Five kissing Nine before killing herself... uh huh... I don't care because Five was never given a personality besides evil bitch... So Nine is actually gonna activate the atomic bomb on the city? The hell!? Why was he so hell bent on not killing people before then!? This anime is just.. so confusing despite being so simple and cliche... Also, the talk between Shibazaki and Mamiya amounted to ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Nothing was learned, nothing happened in the meeting, it was just Mamiya telling Shibazaki that no matter how loud he yelled, no one would hear him. The thing is... we ALREADY KNOW THAT BECAUSE MAMIYA HAD A PERSON KILLED JUST FOR KNOWING THE TRUTH! Oh, sorry, he did say that the reason they did it was so they could rebuild Japan or whatever... Okay? I mean... duh... why the hell else would you do it...? Just for shits and giggles? There really isn't any tension building at all this episode too, it was all fairly predictable... The moment the cop pointed his gun at Five I knew she was going to shoot him. The moment I saw gas leaking out of the car I knew Five was going to die by it. Whenever it wasn't predictable, it was just sort of boring... Even the car chase went by too fast and didn't have a whole lot happen that it wasn't all that exciting... I hope the series can at least end in a satisfactory way... but this episode really disappointed me... It was just boring... The scenes with Twelve were okay, showing his regret for what he had done and his unwillingness to face the consequences. It was resolved fairly fast though with Lisa just saying, "Nah you're okay." and I guess that was all Twelve needed to go rush off to save Nine. Even though apparently he was in no danger to begin with because Five didn't even seem to want to kill him. |
| That was textbook Watanabe-Kanno magic at the end of the episode. Beautifully executed. |
| I really did hate Five at first but as soon as they reveal something about her life and her real intention, oh dear. Though some things are still unclear, I still kind of pity her. Aaaah. It's sad to know that there's only one more episode left in this anime. (╯_╰) |
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| Why are people still saying Lisa is useless? Twelve was moping and has completely given up on Nine. He knew the cops had Nine but what did he do? Play around at the carnival. That's his defense mechanism working at max power. Lisa brought him back to his senses. |
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Vox_Populi said: I felt like we learned more about Nine in this one episode then we did the entire series. That said, I doubt Nine actually deployed an atomic bomb, it's obviously a farce of some kind. He was too hellbent on not killing people earlier. The show clearly has messy writing, but that would make even less sense than the nonsense I just watched. Someone loosely translated the next episode preview synopsis: 混乱し、人のいなくなった東京でナイン、ツエルブ、そしてリサは空を見上げる。 Nine, Twelve and Risa look up at the sky of the distraught and abandoned Tokyo. I don't know if that implies Nine, Twelve, and Risa are just as distraught and just standing there looking up at the sky, but you're right. I can't imagine Nine letting the bomb go off; he must have a back-up plan. I take it his original goal was to use the atomic bomb as a threat so that he can hold the conference in which he can spill everything about the RPA, the Athena Plan, and the secret atomic bomb. He did, however, expect Five to intercept, because he muttered "she's here, huh" while he was in the car on the way to the conference. So Nine definitely must have set a back-up plan to counteract Five's interception. My theory is that the purpose of the automated message was purposefully to cause panic and thus evacuate the citizens. 2 hours, barring traffic, should be enough time to get somewhere safe... hopefully. So my theory suggests that Nine did send up a bomb up in the sky, but not the atomic bomb. Nine also purposefully sent the bomb up to the sky so that no one can immediately retrieve it and find out if it really is the atomic bomb or not. In the time given, Nine will administer his back-up plan to either 1) defuse the bomb within 2 hours or 2) distract everyone with the bomb in the sky and secure the atomic bomb for himself and run away. Evacuating the public gives him the safety of either knowing that not a lot will get hurt even if the bomb goes off or knowing he won't be caught easily with everyone distracted. This was the risk Nine had to take in trying to reveal everything, because he was running out of time and options. It would make sense storywise and make for an epic finale if Nine sent the atomic bomb up in the air, but obviously he's naive in thinking that people will be able to evacuate in only two hours, so I'm not sure the atomic bomb is in the sky. Nonetheless, Shibazaki will probably help, because even if he hates Sphinx, he despises atomic bombs even more because of his bad childhood memories. We'll see if Lisa comes to the rescue as well. |
| I quite like 5, but a lot of her reasoning hasn't been explained. I hope that they will go into it a bit more in the next episode, so that we can have a better sense of closure and reasoning for her actions. But that said, her death was pretty epic. I mean shooting gasoline and standing in the flames until you die is a pretty awesome way to go out. I wish we had two more episodes. One to explain 5 more, and then the conclusion episode, but I'm still loving the series so far. I'm looking forward to seeing how it will end! |
| holy shyt all those plot twist events... Finally a anime which MC are not immune to explosions, bullets and collisions. Can't wait for the last episode, everything will be explained. Now I don't know if I should hate Five or not, and Twelve like Lisa I think. |
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| Lisa soooo kawaii =D Amazing episode as always, excited for the ending! |
| Five killed herself OMG. She beat Nine at their game : 0 Goodbye Japan?????? |
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