Sword Art Online II Episode 6 Discussion

hyperknees91 said:
Well yeah, it's good to be subtle, but he wasn't even subtle about it haha. I agree that its good when writers give you details you don't necessarily think about too much at the time, but the details still have to somewhat exist.

For example in Monster, it's never implied that Kenzo Tenma has a fear of killing people or anything like that. However given his job and his personality, you know how hard doing something like that would be. This is done without the writer really ever explaining anything or showing any symptoms of being afraid of doing so. This could have been done with SAO as well if say some things were done well. Like him blatantly avoiding attacking people in ALO other than people he needs to, Him losing control while fighting heathcliff mainly because he's afraid of killing him, Him wanting constant comfort from Asuna, etc. It could have been implied without have being said. Here it was most certainly not though.

But I'll agree, it's because its his first story more than likely. Even more so because it's a story he is kinda being forced to drag out due to popularity. Therefore he probably just comes up with new content for it without putting much thought into a lot of things. Accel world is of course, much much much better written in comparison so this is most certainly the case.



1. That makes no sense. How would that take away from the fact that he killed people, whether he was in aincrad or not, it should have been shown to have some sort of effect on him. That's like saying his guild getting killed wouldn't have an affect on him until after he got out of aincrad.

2. But that's what I'm saying...wouldn't since you know...this is a dude who confuses reality with a game all the time. He "not" enjoy kicking peoples asses and fighting?

hyperknees91 said:


Quoted several times from him that he thinks your actions in game reflect who you really are. So therefore by his logic...he enjoys beating peoples asses haha.

AzuStar said:


no the Stress that he experienced from killing people in game did affect him. you can see how it has affected him in the anime. it's just that it couldn't have been post traumatic stress because the event wasn't over yet.



he doesn't confuse reality w/ virtual, as he knows the difference. i think you are just confused on Kirito's morals on the subject.

and also fight people for fun =/= Killing them for real.

Uhhh... ?

In my opinion, that quote is just like saying "give a man a mask, and he'll show you who he really is", since noone knows who you are, you're free to act as you want to, red players are just murderers that didn't have the courage to do it irl.

hyperknees91 said:


Except that's my complaint. There was no implied stress that he experienced from killing people. It just kinda popped up again with no proper build up.

And yeah he kinda does. He thinks of Yui as his actual daughter, he tried to solve his conflict with Suguha by having her stab him with a sword, the whole thing about saving NPCs and saving the mob in ALO. Now I just write them off as unexplained actions most of the time, but given what he constantly says, he probably does confuse the two.



Yeah that kinda implies confusing games with reality. This is like saying a guy who goes crazy in GTA to have fun is no better then a criminal.

Or like saying that if IRL you actually have murderous tendencies you will prefer go on and kill people
Though I wouldn´t apply it to videogames now since we still don´t have something where you actually play, we control an OP MC through multiple levels/dungeons/maps and make him kill another 3d models
We are not "inside".
I would apply the phrase of Kirito now just to social networks, you know...
All those bullying stories...

hyperknees91 said:


Possibly but the author is a little too heavily reliant on the whole "We don't have anything like it" approach if that's the case. Still I feel that's not really the case and he is just making blunt statements with little thought put into it.

hyperknees91 said:

Except that's my complaint. There was no implied stress that he experienced from killing people. It just kinda popped up again with no proper build up.

hyperknees91 said:

And yeah he kinda does. He thinks of Yui as his actual daughter

hyperknees91 said:
he tried to solve his conflict with Suguha by having her stab him with a sword

hyperknees91 said:

the whole thing about saving NPCs and saving the mob in ALO. Now I just write them off as unexplained actions most of the time, but given what he constantly says, he probably does confuse the two.

No,there is. when we actually see him kill someone, we do see his vulnerable side, its just that Asuna is able to lower his stress and calm him down. she also takes him away from the problem and continues to keep him comfortable.

and the reason we don't see this implied stress as much as now is because of two things

1. How PTSD works. the affects of this stress don't truly begin to take over until after certain event. For Kirito's that was the Game of aincrad and Asuna retrieval. until these events were cleared, his mind would still be in the game, hence PTSD wouldn't occur yet (his stress wouldn't fully activate)

2. His trigger. as we can see here, his triggers as of now seem to be linked to the laughing coffin guild. Until now,they haven't really appeared before Kirito in some way since Aincrad.

well they weren't aware for her being just code when they were raising her, which means they would grow attachment easier. plus, she act/responds to everything like a sentient being. its already established that she has a will of her own too.

i don't see how that would matter in this situation. in fact that should show that he doesn't get the virtual world confused with the real world since getting stabbed in the real word is a big problem

plus, his ultimate point in that duel was to let Suguha win.

that was a part of his principle.

TheCyclon said:
Welp, looks like Kirito is instantly the strongest player in the game... again. Some action scenes are pretty cool but sadly they only last for a few seconds. And the story doesn't seem that interesting. And where did all the fun characters from sao 1 go? Basically Sinon didn't only replace Asuna, she replaced all the other important characters.

Fai said:

hyperknees91 said:

You gotta remember, Kirito is an extremely introverted, socially awkward, young teen. There is no way this couldn't have any apparent affect on him just because he had his gf with him.

hyperknees91 said:

1. Like said, he seemed to suffer from guilt complex completely after killing his guild killed. The show showed many signs of this. However the complaint I have is that he doesn't even seem to mind he killed people until now. This doesn't make sense with the kind of character Kirito is as all considering he is mr insecurity blanket.

hyperknees91 said:

2. My problem is the trigger shouldn't have come from just the laughing coffin guild. Sure those are who he's killed, but like said, Kirito has reality and gaming confused.

hyperknees91 said:

He seems to enjoy fighting for the most part (he even comments that he "loses" himself, when he fights).

hyperknees91 said:

So it seemed like the PTSD completely contradicts this. Plus in ALO he still was very much interested in it as a game and would do things that would go against searching for Asuna because he was just interested in it like that. I don't think he really looked at ALO the same way as Aincrad the way you said he did.

hyperknees91 said:

Now I very much doubt we could even qualify what Kirito has as PTSD as much as guilt. I'm guessing he'll get over it too quickly for it to be qualified as such but we'll see what the author does.

hyperknees91 said:

I'd like to see what Kirito does when he has an actual daughter in this case. Wonder if he would be torn between the two.

hyperknees91 said:

Because it was an insane way to handle the situation mainly.

hyperknees91 said:

Why not just do that in real life? They have a dojo.

hyperknees91 said:

Why not just talk to each other?

hyperknees91 said:

Basically the fact he used the game to try and solve their problem in an absolutely insane fashion was what makes me question Kirito's view on games. (This whole scene was of course, the dumbest part of that arc).

hyperknees91 said:


Yes the fact that he has principles over such things is why he is dillusional.

Tyestor said:
Wasn't that match being broadcast to everyone lol?

Tyestor said:
Wasn't that match being broadcast to everyone lol?

hyperknees91 said:


Quoted several times from him that he thinks your actions in game reflect who you really are. So therefore by his logic...he enjoys beating peoples asses haha.

Caleb8980 said:


It was but without sound as mutiple rounds are being played at the same time would make it impossible to understand anything.



His point is that feelings and bonds made in VR are true in RL, too.

So the direct opposite to how the relation is nowadays. And seeing as you play as yourself, not as an avatar as it is right now, that isn't that far fetched. The worst that can happen is that somebody only plays his or her feelings and well that happens in real life, too, at a daily basis.

Unlike games as they are now, in a VR you can't "hide" that well behind an anymous avatar as everybody can see your every action, when you start fidgeting after a certain question e. g. in VR you can see that, in MMOs today you can't.

Hence the whole thing with dueling ingame. Whether you sort out a fight ingame or in RL doesn't make any difference for him.


As a throwback to whole "it didn't affect him in ALO" remember him screaming: "As long as I am alive, I won't let any party members die" which is a clear crystalization that he was by no way over SAO at that point and also shows his fear to lose somebody important, even though he knew that ALO was only a game and that ingame death doesn't mean real death (which he asked Leafa about in the second episode of the ALO arc, if I recall that right).

i think you have forgotten that the whole reason they decided to go on leave was because of that incident. the extreme event is the cause of their decision to take some days off and resign to an extremely different atmosphere. in this new new atmosphere, they are trying to distance themselves from the extreme event so of course they would try to not bring it up afterward.

as for "Killing" in ALO, you have to remember that even though he took every battle seriously, those situations were drastically different from the Laughing coffin situation. instead of sad battles of mindless death, they were either duels between two worthy opponents or Battles to simply further his goal with no lingering threat of actual death. he was pretty aware in ALO that no one was actually dying irl. and we must remember that PK was encouraged in ALO.

not really. his lack of experience with people wouldn't actually increase the level of affect the situation would have on him. if anything, it would lessen the effect it had on him. and age doesn't really matter as much as experience in the situation.

since the death that happened in SAO wasn't the first one, it would make sense that he could handle it better.

1. He has never actually killed anyone except a laughing coffin. those other "deaths" weren't deaths, just normal game mechanics where they would revive shortly, practical the same as a duel. they aren't the same as his encounters with the Laughing coffin.

2. your acting as though the only reason he experienced PTSD is because he killed. that's putting the situation way to simple. not only did he kill in cold blood but so did everyone around him. he was faced with other humans who were actively killing other humans in a game where they all should have been trying to survive. a mission where they were suppose to just gather and subdue them turned into a "bloody" mess where everyone was just killing everyone in cold blood. "Death Gun" reminded him of that low point in his experiences while also telling kirito that One of the laughing coffin could very well be there.

that's only in your opinion though.

fighting=/=killing for realz

also, that is most likely him being engrossed in the experience. it's not uncommon when your doing something you really like/love. Sometimes an artist can get engulfed in their work. and of course, Kirito always comes back after the battle if he does get in that state.

No he did. you forget that he wasn't 100% concentrated on clearing Aincrad all the time while in that death game. he was one for down time and doing miscellaneous things, even though his main goal was to complete the game (remember when he hung out in lower floors and met silica?)

maybe it is guilt. but it could also be PTSD as it does fit the criteria.

i don't see why he would be torn between them as he could raise them both as their own.

why? it's just a duel in a game. it happens all the time.

this problem is more connected to ALO and what is happening their so it probably seemed fitting.

also, duels in the real world have more of a chance to actually cause harm to the body than duels in the virtual world.

there was nothing much that needed to be said. Suguha knew Kirito could never accept her feelings. Kirito and Suguha said that chose to let the other win the duel because of their guilt. obviously a conversation would allow them to "win a duel"

its seems to me that you didn't quite understand it.

You haven't even tried to understand his principle. he knew they were digital code, but the principle was what they represented (as in Bystanders and civilians). it didn't feel right to him to use them as bait, as they seemed so human. (which conflicted with Asuna). maybe it's a question of priorities but not a question of what is real and what isn't.

His point is that feelings and bonds made in VR are true in RL, too.

As a throwback to whole "it didn't affect him in ALO" remember him screaming: "As long as I am alive, I won't let any party members die" which is a clear crystalization that he was by no way over SAO at that point and also shows his fear to lose somebody important, even though he knew that ALO was only a game and that ingame death doesn't mean real death (which he asked Leafa about in the second episode of the ALO arc, if I recall that right).

Insertanamehere said:

hyperknees91 said:

Yet killing others in game in a brutal fashion was a ok for him.

It was necessary, just like in SAO.

PTSD has a word "post" for a reason. SAO did not end Kirito till he beat up Mr.CreepyGlasses.

hyperknees91 said:


Not really.



Well like said we don't even know if this even qualifies as PTSD as much as plain guilt. If it goes on for awhile, then yes it is. If not then no it's not. Regardless, SAO is not the cause of his PTSD if he actually has it, killing someone is. It's not like killing people was the norm for him in that game anyway (he only killed 3, 2 by accident). I know you might equate it to a soldier going off to a war and then receiving PTSD when he comes back, but it's really not the same thing in this situation.

Also it's called "post" because a person feels the same stress he felt during the situation after the fact, even if nothing is truly happening. You realize a soldier can suffer from PTSD even when he's in the middle of war right?

Xerain said:
"Those eyes...you've killed someone too? ...I think I love you."

Is basically how you could summarize Sinon's thoughts.

What if it was well buried?

Fai said:

PTSD has a word "post" for a reason. SAO did not end Kirito till he beat up Mr.CreepyGlasses.

Fai said:

Insertanamehere said:

Actually, whoever said that was completely wrong, because Alicization is easily the best part of SAO, better than Mother's Rosario.

Sapewloth said:

Yeah, the "post" refers to how the stress disorder takes place after the traumatic experience. Kirito's traumatic experience was killing people, not being stuck in Sword Art Online.

Insertanamehere said:

Actually, whoever said that was completely wrong, because Alicization is easily the best part of SAO, better than Mother's Rosario.

Fai said:


the traumatic experience extends through whole SAO incident for him - every day was a nightmare of survival and honing one's skills and be or be killed. SAO for him only ended when he got Asuna out of ALO, and then majority of his psychological problems kicked in full gear(Even though they slowly reared their heads through SAO and ALO but the "damn it i am about to be killed gotta survive" situations did not allow his psyche to dwell on it for too long). Its very akin with how it is with war veterans in real life

Fai said:


the traumatic experience extends through whole SAO incident for him - every day was a nightmare of survival and honing one's skills and be or be killed. SAO for him only ended when he got Asuna out of ALO, and then majority of his psychological problems kicked in full gear(Even though they slowly reared their heads through SAO and ALO but the "damn it i am about to be killed gotta survive" situations did not allow his psyche to dwell on it for too long). Its very akin with how it is with war veterans in real life

deanzel said:
Kirito Skywalker has fully entered God mode and is making quick work of these fools. He's playing Sinon like a fiddle. How more many episodes until Sinon is fully "trapped" by Kirito's harem/d*ck beam? It looks like it will only be a matter of time.

silversaint said:
i wonder if the death guy d do something impressive at some point, now that i know that Kirito can dodge an block bullets without effort at close range the villain doesnt look like a threat at all

Lillibo0 said:
power and intelligence when it comes to combat.

Emnay said:
ha

Rolanddeschain said:

The curtains are either salmon, pink or orange, depending on who and how he or she see them.

MasterMeNL said:
Why does everything ex-fucking-plode? Hollywood the anime da fuq!

Lmao!

Desu Gun™ is kowai~~, oh nein.

Botato said:
Wut.

fst said:
If you confuse salmon/pink with orange you probably have some sort of colorblindness and should not operate motor vehicles.

Lillibo0 said:
If Asuna saw the ending of that duel... ohhhh ohoh :P

Nevertheless, this episode really demonstrated Kiritos power and intelligence when it comes to combat. I reckon Sinon really underestimated his skills and thats why she wasnt that prepared to fight him. Actually, either unprepared or unskilled in battling someone of his unique strategy.

Ill give this one a 4/5 cause we got to see how GGO really is a matter of life or death for Kirito, especially since he is fully aware of the deathgun and the person who owns it >.<

Satan-sama said:


Well, Asuna trusts Kirito so she wouldn't mind even if they were to kiss in the end. She must be happy that she can see his face, she better not to be greedy.

And about Sinon, it's not like she wasn't prepared or unskilled, She's the GGO's best sniper, it's more like that Kirito is invincible and untouchable so whoever will combat him, Kirito is always the winner. -_- Prove that I'm wrong!! The man NEVER lost a goddamn duel or a fight.

Satan-sama said:


Well, Asuna trusts Kirito so she wouldn't mind even if they were to kiss in the end. She must be happy that she can see his face, she better not to be greedy.

And about Sinon, it's not like she wasn't prepared or unskilled, She's the GGO's best sniper, it's more like that Kirito is invincible and untouchable so whoever will combat him, Kirito is always the winner. -_- Prove that I'm wrong!! The man NEVER lost a goddamn duel or a fight.

Forgetfulness said:
To be honest, the only time he's lost in the first season of SAO are when
1. He is at an insane disadvantage to begin with (being paralyzed)
2. It is literally impossible to win due to the way the game is programmed (Heathcliff, World Tree)

Fai said:

Insertanamehere said:

Likecheese said:


In Kiritos earlier fights you saw that he can dodge some bullets but not all, in fact he was at least streaked by some when a couple them were shot simultaneously, so it is possible to hit him.

But I also think that it's not such a good idea to make him so OP as they did.