| Not that knowledge changes anything... :P |
Moog- said: That is messed up. The U.S is one of the most technological and advanced nations in the world, and yet a portion of its population seem to be so... backwards. Stop that. Kinda relevant Wow, some people are stupid? What a hard thing to believe. |
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Kallifer said: I'm pretty sure I learned the basics of astronomy in Elementary School. Who did they ask these questions? That's actually a good point. Were the people who said these things immigrants who came here, or were they citizens born here? |
| Pikachu wants some |
| If I can remember correctly this is from the 2000 census. I don't know how they asked the question, or if people just gave them an answer in the test population to speed the damn process up . . . what I'm saying is that it doesn't seem very scientific. |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
| it's obama's fault |
| I had a good laugh. A shame people think that way, but it's better to leave them alone than attack them. Not like attacking them gets anywhere anyway. |
| IT DOES!!!!?????? |
| http://i.imgur.com/Isqv6L3.png "ONLY AMERICA IS STUPID AND THIS VERY LIMITED STUPID-PEOPLE-CHOSEN-ON-PURPOSE SURVEY PROVES ITTTTTT!!!!" I can do that too. |
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| one more shady aspects about this survey is unlike any credible survey they dont address the age range of its participants, for all intents and purpouses they could have asked a bunch of kids for this this exists for 1 reason and 1 reason only, to act as an excuse to get more governmental funding |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JD2411 said: TallonKarrde23 said: that doesn't even have a web addresshttp://i.imgur.com/Isqv6L3.png "ONLY AMERICA IS STUPID AND THIS VERY LIMITED STUPID-PEOPLE-CHOSEN-ON-PURPOSE SURVEY PROVES ITTTTTT!!!!" I can do that too. come back when you have a credible source The article in the thread doesn't seem very credible either. Fexell said: Cupquake said: Fexell said: Cupquake said: Fexell said: Noldorin said: Fexell said: -Linus- said: I don't know where they find these people. I always here about how stupid people are, but I've never actually come across anyone so ignorant. Anecdotal I know, but whatever.. This was me a while ago, too. Until I met a girl going at my school who is actually really... Let's say not so intelligent. While having a very deep conversation with someone, she can in the middle of a sentence say "I found a hair dryer today I really like". When you talk to her, she even seem "empty". She approached me once and held out a cigarette, looked me in the eye and said "Cig". Like she was stating she was holding a cigarette. It actually astound me to the point where I felt dumb. It took me about 15 seconds to ask what she meant, and she just once again replied "Cig". These people do exists... :P I think that's cute. She's just like those airheaded anime girls :3 That doesn't necessarily mean she has low intelligence though. It could be a personality/psychological issue. I thought so too. But that isn't the case with this girl. She's really slow (mentally). I shouldn't bad-mouth people behind their backs, but unfortunatly this is the truth. Her knowledge ain't that great. :P So she has a mental disability and your talking shit about her online? Wow, what a champ. If you would have read my post, you should be able to see that I wrote "I shouldn't bad-mouth people behind their backs" - which states that I feel guilty about it. And to be fair, the girl has a nice personality. She's kind. I did read it. You feel guilty about it, which means you know it's wrong, yet you still did it. That makes it worse. It isn't exactly "wrong". I can still write whatever I like on the Internet. Feeling guilty doesn't mean you should keep your mouth shut. This is a forum for discussions and I just wrote something out of my own experience. If you don't like it, don't be here. You basically posted "hey I know a stupid person too" but then went "actually she has a mental disability." It's not relevant to the thread because I'm going to assume the people surveyed were not actually retarded, although if they were it'd explain the results of said survey. You can write whatever you want, yes, but there are some things best left unsaid. |
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cabacc2 said: IT CAN!!!!!??????TheDarkLordOtaku said: IT DOES!!!!?????? when they are indoctrinated, logic will not work. Attacking them will also not work, it will just make them laugh at you or make them hiding inside their shell of irrationality and fear. you have to get them to a point where they do the research by themselves. The internet has to rape their minds with evidence, or they wont develop. mocking them can help, but it can be counterproductive as well. |
| the sun doesnt revolve around the earth the sun revolves around America |
RandomChampion said: the sun doesnt revolve around the earth the sun revolves around America /thread |
RandomChampion said: http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/604025/83889218.jpgthe sun doesnt revolve around the earth the sun revolves around America |
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RandomChampion said: the sun doesnt revolve around the earth the sun revolves around America This is why I'm proud to live in the USA. |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
4kiraL said: Actually none of us know whether the earth circles around the sun.We are just told in school that it is the truth and basic knowledge but what if all is made up in a coherent way that it makes some sort of sense and in fact the reality differs from what humanity believes to be true? I can't let this slide. It is basic knowledge. While everyone is entitled to be skeptical of science, they must do so by being prepared to test the theory by replicating the experiment and peer reviewing the evidence. You're welcome to do so yourself, but this would require to take observation of the sky for at least a year. Once a theory is widely accepted and not having been disproven through this process (the scientific method) they become known as scientific law. Of course the end results and conclusions should be shared to the community, that is the whole point of science education. While it is true that astronomy of antiquity developed the geocentric model, where the earth is stationary and the center of the universe which revolved around us, this was based on naked eye observations of the night sky. The model got more complicated as it tried to explain further observations such as retrograde motion of planets by adding what are known as epicycles. Then Galileo built a telescope and pointed it at the sky. The evidence that disproved this model in favor of our heliocentric model (orbiting the sun) was that the planet Venus has phases that do not match what they would be in a geocentric model. The heliocentric model was simpler to describe and due to the observations of Kepler of planetary motion, Newton was able to explain the motion mathematically with his law of gravity. That it appears the sky moves around the earth is actually due to earth rotating. Actually the law of gravity applies to any 2 objects with mass. They will orbit a common center of mass; in the case of the sun and the earth the center of mass is inside of the sun since its mass is significantly larger than the earth's. A more recent example is when the law of gravity got updated to include relativity to match observations of the universe on a larger scale. Newtonian mechanics didn't get thrown out the window entirely, but we did come to a better understanding. This is not to say it won't be edited again, if something is able to disprove it, or a better theory comes along; currently astronomers are struggling to search for dark matter and dark energy (theorized stuff we can't observe other than mass according to the current model) when it could be simply that the equation needs editing. Either way the more science and research that is done, the better we are to understanding our world and our universe. |
Seravander said: I can't let this slide. It is basic knowledge. While everyone is entitled to be skeptical of science, they must do so by being prepared to test the theory by replicating the experiment and peer reviewing the evidence. You're welcome to do so yourself, but this would require to take observation of the sky for at least a year. Once a theory is widely accepted and not having been disproven through this process (the scientific method) they become known as scientific law. Of course the end results and conclusions should be shared to the community, that is the whole point of science education. l Fact is that I don't know whether the earth circles around the sun. Like you said, we must observe the sky and prove it for ourselves. All we do is believe. With this in mind, science is like a religion. I am right, right? Seravander said: While it is true that astronomy of antiquity developed the geocentric model, where the earth is stationary and the center of the universe which revolved around us, this was based on naked eye observations of the night sky. The model got more complicated as it tried to explain further observations such as retrograde motion of planets by adding what are known as epicycles. Then Galileo built a telescope and pointed it at the sky. The evidence that disproved this model in favor of our heliocentric model (orbiting the sun) was that the planet Venus has phases that do not match what they would be in a geocentric model. The heliocentric model was simpler to describe and due to the observations of Kepler of planetary motion, Newton was able to explain the motion mathematically with his law of gravity. That it appears the sky moves around the earth is actually due to earth rotating. Actually the law of gravity applies to any 2 objects with mass. They will orbit a common center of mass; in the case of the sun and the earth the center of mass is inside of the sun since its mass is significantly larger than the earth's. A more recent example is when the law of gravity got updated to include relativity to match observations of the universe on a larger scale. Newtonian mechanics didn't get thrown out the window entirely, but we did come to a better understanding. Humanity forgot to consider one possibility: What if the geocentric model was correct and the universe changed its shape, which led to the heliocentric conception of the world? A few thousand years ago the sun could have circled the earth. Now let's assume the geocentric model was false in the first place due to lack of scientific devices etc. What if we are wrong right now and our world view will be disproved again? Our scientists deductions might be logically incorrect to begin with since the fundamental laws of physics, which our heliocentrism is grounded on, consists of nothing but theory and assumptions! All we hear is masses, masses, masses. What if the reason for the earth and the sun to revolve around a focal point doesn't have anything to do with masses at all? If we find an exception, our formula is screwed, all conclusions resulting from it are falsified and the construct would collapse. Seravander said: This is not to say it won't be edited again, if something is able to disprove it, or a better theory comes along; currently astronomers are struggling to search for dark matter and dark energy (theorized stuff we can't observe other than mass according to the current model) when it could be simply that the equation needs editing. Either way the more science and research that is done, the better we are to understanding our world and our universe. That is why physics sucks, we never know whether what we know is right or wrong. Physicists are mere observers. |
4kiraLFeb 27, 2014 8:07 AM
| Ah patriotism, just so much better then religion to control the masses, got to love the idiocy and those that have that faith, not! |
| And the other three quarters believe that the sun revolves around 'MURICA. http://abcnews.go.com/US/quarter-americans-convinced-sun-revolves-earth-survey-finds/story?id=22542847 Poll trolls or not the fact that I even believed it to be the truth is astounding enough. Why is the stereotype that Americans are idiots so popular? |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
| Oh god, I can already tell this is going to be a hate on america thread A survey of 2,200 people Nice sample size there. This definitely repersents all of America. I smell bias |
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Mushmallow said: Oh god, I can already tell this is going to be a hate on america thread A survey of 2,200 people Nice sample size there. This definitely repersents all of America. I smell bias I know it goes against democracy but hey, FREEDOM is free!! |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
Yumes-lil-Faggot said: That makes no sense in the context of what I said.Mushmallow said: Oh god, I can already tell this is going to be a hate on america thread Nice sample size there. This definitely repersents all of America. I smell bias I know it goes against democracy but hey, FREEDOM is free!! |
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Mushmallow said: Yumes-lil-Faggot said: That makes no sense in the context of what I said.I know it goes against democracy but hey, FREEDOM is free!! it was never meant to look 2200 Americans > the whole world. Get it? |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
| Old news that we already have a thread about, I believe they found near the same was found in other countries as well. |
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| [quote=Yumes-lil-Faggot]And the other three quarters believe that the sun revolves around 'MURICA. Then they're just in the finest/best Company: |
NoboruFeb 21, 2015 12:49 PM
| The article this article cites has a box in the bottom saying "AAAS and EurekAlert! are not responsible for the accuracy of news releases posted to EurekAlert! by contributing institutions or for the use of any information through the EurekAlert system." OP, if you want to bash America, there are plenty of ways to do so. But using shoddy statistics that A) Should be ignored due to sample size and B) Probably did NOT do random sampling, is kind of a desperate measure. Might I suggest talking about our foreign policies, those seem to be very unpopular both in and outside of America. You could also bash this news station for making an article on something like this. I think that news that doesn't properly evaluate they study they are writing about shouldn't even be considered "news" anymore. The author of this article would fit in better with gossip magazines. |
Pirating_NinjaFeb 21, 2015 12:54 PM
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| But all Americans know what temperatures steel can and cannot melt at. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
| *cough dumb *cough *cough americans |
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| No, not around the Earth, around 'Murica, because 'Murica it's the best thing ever. Even the Sun depends on 'Murica. |
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EcchiArtist said: *cough dumb *cough *cough americans All right, foreigners, what you're failing to see here is that this poll is flawed because both given answers are wrong. The actual answer is that each revolves around the common barycenter (i.e., center of mass) of the system. For the earth/sun system, it happens to within the sun, but does not have to be, as with the sun/Jupiter barycenter. In fact, it's this subtle "wobble" effect that has assisted us in detecting distant exoplanets.  Americans, including myself, are taught orbital mechanics from a very young age and are not allowed to pass elementary school without being able to derive Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion from Newton's Laws. What you are seeing here is nothing more than my compatriots trying to answer like they 'think' the rest of the world would expect. Reading the article makes it clear the authors of the poll were scientific Philistines. "Only 39 percent answered correctly with "true" when asked if "The universe began with a huge explosion." But it didn't. The initial expansion conditions were not an explosion. It's almost like they don't know what the Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker metric is. Obviously written by foreigners. |
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| "Only 39 percent answered correctly with "true" when asked if "The universe began with a huge explosion," the article leaves out that 60% gave this response when the statement was prefaced by “according to astronomers". the article says: only 48 percent knew that "Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals," but leaves out the crucial information: 72% gave this response when the same statement was prefaced by “according to the theory of evolution.” the report, which was NOT included for obvious reasons, also says that Levels of factual knowledge in the United States are comparable to those in Europe and are generally higher than levels in countries in other parts of the world. basically, they cherry picked some of the conclusion and made it to suit w/e they wanted to report source http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind14/index.cfm/chapter-7/c7h.htm#s2 edit: also, unless i missed it, the statement that 1/4 believe in the geocentric model of the universe is not in the report meaning - there's a chance they just made it up. edit: 2 "Two additional questions used a multiple choice format. These asked about (21) whether the sun moves around the Earth, whether the Earth moves around the sun (correct), or neither the sun nor the Earth moves (Europe correct: 80%, United States correct: 82%);" meaning: 82% of Americans in the survey answered correctly on that question. sauce: http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind14/index.cfm/chapter-7/c7s2.htm |
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-shotz said: What's your point? A sample size of a little over 2000 people tells us nothing becuase it's way less than 10% of the population.Mushmallow said: you obviously don't know much about how polls are done.Oh god, I can already tell this is going to be a hate on america thread Nice sample size there. This definitely repersents all of America. I smell bias |
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| Please. Everybody knows that the sun, the moon, and the stars all orbit the Earth inside "Crystal Spheres." |
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Mushmallow said: -shotz said: What's your point? A sample size of a little over 2000 people tells us nothing becuase it's way less than 10% of the population.you obviously don't know much about how polls are done. That's not how polls work.. once you pass a randomized samle size of 2000 it's essentially impossible to change the result. Ask 2000, no matter how many more you ask, the result wont change. |
Quarter of Americans believe that the sun revolves around the Earth You cant really "believe" in facts. They just... are. |
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Mushmallow said: -shotz said: What's your point? A sample size of a little over 2000 people tells us nothing becuase it's way less than 10% of the population.you obviously don't know much about how polls are done. im no statistician but that is how statistics work, you get a small sample size and apply it to a large population then calculate the margin of error this table says that - http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Soc_participants.shtml a sample size of 2000 will have a margin error of 2.2% only |
OnlyTemporary said: Quarter of Americans believe that the sun revolves around the Earth You cant really "believe" in facts. They just... are.Until proven wrong. ;) Remember, lots of "facts" have gone by the wayside over the years.. including that the sun revolves around the earth. |
aloricg said: once you pass a randomized samle size of 2000 it's essentially impossible to change the result. Ask 2000, no matter how many more you ask, the result wont change. Conduct the poll in the bible belt instead of Cali or NY. |
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icirate said: aloricg said: once you pass a randomized samle size of 2000 it's essentially impossible to change the result. Ask 2000, no matter how many more you ask, the result wont change. Conduct the poll in the bible belt instead of Cali or NY. That's not a randomized sample :) |
aloricg said: No, first of all we don't know the polling method. Completely random would imply that they ask members of all 50 states, but considering the small number of people surveyed, that's unlikely. And even if they did poll 40 members of each state, that's still a small portion of the populace. It's not an accurate polling method and, therefore, the survey is not an accurate representation of America as a whole.Mushmallow said: What's your point? A sample size of a little over 2000 people tells us nothing becuase it's way less than 10% of the population. That's not how polls work.. once you pass a randomized samle size of 2000 it's essentially impossible to change the result. Ask 2000, no matter how many more you ask, the result wont change. |
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| The study that this article is based on, or rather the summary of the study that this article is based on does not state the sampling method, the survey method, nor the questions given and the answers for said questions. Furthermore there is a disclaimer at the bottom of the site saying "Disclaimer: AAAS and EurekAlert! are not responsible for the accuracy of news releases posted to EurekAlert! by contributing institutions or for the use of any information through the EurekAlert system". What I find alarming are the amount of people that are believing things like "This was a random sample" or "This is a valid representation of statistics". Neither of which are represented or proven within this article. The true "worry" is people who "believe" in the results of polls like this. Similar "polls" have stated things like 1 in every 4 women in America have been raped. I mean it's cute and all, but a large portion of those answered "yes" to "Have you ever regretted having sexual intercourse with a partner?", and guess what that poll concluded? This was rape. Knowing the "Facts" about a poll is pretty darn important if you want to go around believing something is a "fact". (Repeating myself here because I am truly concerned for those who ridicule people "believing" in things like a geocentric theory and yet at the same time are "believing" that everything they see on the news is a fact.) |
Pirating_NinjaFeb 21, 2015 9:46 PM
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Pirating_Ninja said: The study that this article is based on, or rather the summary of the study that this article is based on does not state the sampling method, the survey method, nor the questions given and the answers for said questions. Furthermore there is a disclaimer at the bottom of the site saying "Disclaimer: AAAS and EurekAlert! are not responsible for the accuracy of news releases posted to EurekAlert! by contributing institutions or for the use of any information through the EurekAlert system". What I find alarming are the amount of people that are believing things like "This was a random sample" or "This is a valid representation of statistics". Neither of which are represented or proven within this article. The true "worry" is people who "believe" in the results of polls like this. Similar "polls" have stated things like 1 in every 4 women in America have been raped. I mean it's cute and all, but a large portion of those answered "yes" to "Have you ever regretted having sexual intercourse with a partner?", and guess what that poll concluded? This was rape. Knowing the "Facts" about a poll is pretty darn important if you want to go around believing something is a "fact". (Repeating myself here because I am truly concerned for those who ridicule people "believing" in things like a geocentric theory and yet at the same time are "believing" that everything they see on the news is a fact.) So.. you're saying you'll argue either side as long as if fulfills your sense of intellectual elitism to do so? |
| aloricg: that was a completely random and baseless accusation. Survey is not confirmed to be an SRS and I seriously doubt it is one. |
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Mushmallow said: aloricg: that was a completely random and baseless accusation. Survey is not confirmed to be an SRS and I seriously doubt it is one. So you'll believe one thing without proof but not another because... reasons? |
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