Little Busters! Episode 17 Discussion

MagicFlier said:


1 = Your answer:


2 = Kanata and Haruka are traternal twins, their eyes are a different color is one example. The hairstyle backed up with completely opposite attitudes can help hide the fact that they can look abnormally alike. (〜￣▽￣)〜

VerneJules said:
There are two things I want to confirm:
1) Is it really scientifically possible to have twins with different fathers?
2) If Kanata can disguise herself as Haruka, does this mean they're identical twins? Why then couldn't the Little Busters guess that they were twins before Haruka told them? Does having a different hairstyle really hide it? I know this is anime but still...

Aversa said:
Then there was Haruka's treatment even if the family wants to keep up there name do they think that's possible with child abuse, because that's what they where doing to Haruka.
Then there was the flyers which has to opposite effect it only makes there name worse firstly it's like promoting that they had a criminal in there family secondly it shows what trash they are going to such lows.
If word got out that of how they treated Haruka and that they distributed those flyers there name will go down the drain.

Aversa said:
Logics went out of the window here a twin with two different fathers is impossible.

Daipyon said:
A doubleganger of Haruka D:

Aversa said:
Logics went out of the window here a twin with two different fathers is impossible.

MagicFlier said:

Your the first person to ever say that it's impossible, at least say that it's uncommon (a rarity) at most

symbv said:
IMPOSSIBLE???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation

Naoki-Saten said:


Actually, they've successfully kept the child abuse thing a secret. When the girls went to grade school, at one point, they wouldn't let Haruka go there anymore. A teacher tried to go see her a few times. They chased him away. Same with a local policeman. The matter never became public which goes to show that the family still has quite a lot power.
Same thing with the flyers. They have the means to prevent people from associating Saigusa Shou with their family.

Well, it's not like anyone would think that the Saigusa family never did anything wrong...

And I like Kanata, always did and always will.
Is her route in EX translated?I'm dying to play it.

Aversa said:
I'll take that back i checked Wikipedia but could not find anything about twins having multiple fathers hence my statement.

Funya-Usagi said:
I'm really wondering if the bad directing will hit Refrain....

3 girl arcs in and it's obviously got less than twice the impact Kanon/Clannad arcs had despite being just as good in the original.

We as visual novel players have been reassuring anime only viewers that the girl route's may not be as good as refrain but are at least on par with Kanon... but sadly it's not due to the directing.

at first i was expecting Refrain to be on After story level. but i think because of the directing it'll be on an emotional par with say.. makoto, or fuuko.

it's 17 episodes, 3 girl routes in.. they've already proven what they're capable of and that's reducing the emotional impact. I'm not going to be foolishly expecting the direction to get better out of nowhere for refrain unless they hire a whole new team.

Seano299 said:


Would people be angry at me if I said I was a Kanata lover?

katsu044 said:

let me get in on this love too!

skapandi said:
Didn't feel anything about her flashback, like I did in the VN.The execution really is everything, it could've been done so much better in a way that actually made me care about the situation.I like that they involved the whole Little Busters group in this, but the directing/music placement kills it.I really hope they change directors(and fire the hell out of however places the OSTs) for Refrain.

Haruka's dad(aka the Kyousuke lookalike) showing up on this episode made me laugh way more than I should have.The resemblence is uncanny.

And I like Kanata, always did and always will.
Is her route in EX translated?I'm dying to play it.

areyougood96 said:
So Kanata was forced to spread the news of Shou Saigusa's illegal actions... this is one messed up family

Tyrel said:


This one can't basically because it's what Visual novelers would be called the "Common route."

I'll wait til Refrain for my 10's.

winter_mint said:
well I assume that Kanata is wearing colored-contacts in the last scene... anyone else notice that Haruka and Kanata shouldn't share the same eye color?

Imo, the bgm during the start of this ep doesn't really fit in well with the situation. The feeling I get from the bgm and watching the scene is just so different. I don't know about you guys.

Still very confused about why are they trying so hard to portray Kanata as a b*tch. Is she supposed to do that? Didn't read the vn so I am totally clueless about it. I will just stick around until the end.

winter_mint said:

Still very confused about why are they trying so hard to portray Kanata as a b*tch. Is she supposed to do that? Didn't read the vn so I am totally clueless about it. I will just stick around until the end.

ihateeveryone said:
VN's fanboys bitching as usual. Nothing new.

Maybe the emotional impact isnt as big as it was in the VN, but it was still able to hit someone who hasnt reached Haruka's route yet. Christ, we can't go one episode without everyone complaining and comparing it.

..You do realize KyoAni cut out an entire ROUTE in the Clannad anime, right? And yet everyone bitches about anything that isnt on par with the VN in this. Hah, okay.

tysonultima said:


Its not even fanboyism when the general execution is terrible.

As usual you are greeted with terrible JC staff like animation with a very low budget. I mean hell this is lower than the JC staff norm AND Sakurasou looks tons better than this.

Then we have the fact that the game is trying to focus on all the routes while maintaining friendship all at once and it manages to be a train wreck. The anime itself is literally only catering to those who have actually played the game and just want to see certain scenes animated. Without playing the actual game itself you wouldn't know or feel anything for these characters unless your generally new to anime or your highly impressed by the most little things. Little Busters happens to be one of the higher selling things BECAUSE of people who were hype about a little busters anime AND in order to get the bonus OVA episode you need to get all 9 bluray discs.

As a guy who has watched little busters and played it and also watched clannad and played it. The whole clannad missing an entire route out of a character who literally had no influence on the other routes is not a big deal. It was accompanied by great animation, and a nice way of tackling the routes together while progressively adding on to characters. Unlike Little busters where you just meet a character (lets say Mio in this case) and immediately dive into her route with having absolutely zero understanding of her character.

tysonultima said:


Its not even fanboyism when the general execution is terrible.

As usual you are greeted with terrible JC staff like animation with a very low budget. I mean hell this is lower than the JC staff norm AND Sakurasou looks tons better than this.

Then we have the fact that the game is trying to focus on all the routes while maintaining friendship all at once and it manages to be a train wreck. The anime itself is literally only catering to those who have actually played the game and just want to see certain scenes animated. Without playing the actual game itself you wouldn't know or feel anything for these characters unless your generally new to anime or your highly impressed by the most little things. Little Busters happens to be one of the higher selling things BECAUSE of people who were hype about a little busters anime AND in order to get the bonus OVA episode you need to get all 9 bluray discs.

As a guy who has watched little busters and played it and also watched clannad and played it. The whole clannad missing an entire route out of a character who literally had no influence on the other routes is not a big deal. It was accompanied by great animation, and a nice way of tackling the routes together while progressively adding on to characters. Unlike Little busters where you just meet a character (lets say Mio in this case) and immediately dive into her route with having absolutely zero understanding of her character.

Naoki-Saten said:


It is: http://vntls.tindabox.net/project/little-busters/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?pli=1&key=0Am1pV7ssY0D7dExyd3NxUTNGNUFHRWNLZjV3em8xbEE#gid=0

However, I heard that they will make the next release once they're 100% done with the whole game.

I'm so looking forward to it.

Cratex said:
Hmm. I guess, since I'm unqualified to watch the Little Busters anime I'll just drop it and save my time for something else.

Mary_Vanucchi said:


Why are you "unqualified"?

Seano299 said:


Have you ever thought that the reason for that could be that you already played the scene? I mean, in the VN, it was your first time seeing it, so it would've been totally unexpected and hit real hard. But with this, you already saw it all coming, so it didn't affect you. A lot of the events in Haruka's route relies on the player not experiencing it before and with the element of surprise. That's what almost all Key stories are reliant on.

Vladz0r said:


Because he dozens of hours making 1600 forum posts instead of playing the amazing visual novel for Little Busters.

makoa69 said:
The premise is interesting, but it has a lot of inconsistencies that is really straining my suspense of disbelief.
First off, why do the twins look identical? Fraternal twins are as genetically similar to each other as regular siblings are. So, fraternal twins should look as similar to each other as any pair of sisters. However, these twins are from two different fathers. The thought that two half sisters could look identical to each other is laughable (but not impossible).
Secondly, why did nobody suspect that these two were twins? Haruka reveals that Kanata is her twin, and everybody starts dropping jaws.
Third, why does the main family not know which child is the daughter of that dude? I'm not that knowledged in medicine, but isn't it possible to learn something like that from a simple blood test? It's clear that the father knows which girl is his daughter, which means some test was done in the past. So how did the main family not get word of this information?
Fourth, it doesn't really make sense to me why Haruka's father would get violent in the first place. He married into that family knowing full well their wacky tradition of 2 guys 1 girl. Getting tired of sharing his woman with another man was in the fine print.
Now that I think about it, what man in his right mind would ever agree to marry into that family? Is there actually a guy out there who is willing to share his girl with another man?? I know I wouldn't! Any rational thinking man would convince his lover that her family's traditions are retarded and they should run away and get married independently of them. Either that or the women of that family are extremely promiscuous and really enjoy having two lovers, and they also skillfully convince two men that marrying her is a good idea.
Fifth, I really don't see the big deal of being the child of a criminal. The man didn't even succeed in murdering anybody, it was attempted murder, and even if that man was the equivalent of Hitler, that is completely unrelated to his kids. The thought that that family would be so ashamed of a criminal in the family that they would beat his daughter is retarded. You know what that reminds me of? It reminds me of when the tsunami hit Japan. You know what some Americans were saying? They were saying 'it serves them right for what they did to Pearl Harbor'. Well what the heck, that was half a century ago, stop blaming people for sins their parents caused.
And what does Haruka's mother have to say about all that? Is she alright with her family abusing her daughter because her husband did something naughty?

makoa69 said:
The premise is interesting, but it has a lot of inconsistencies that is really straining my suspense of disbelief.
First off, why do the twins look identical? Fraternal twins are as genetically similar to each other as regular siblings are. So, fraternal twins should look as similar to each other as any pair of sisters. However, these twins are from two different fathers. The thought that two half sisters could look identical to each other is laughable (but not impossible).
Secondly, why did nobody suspect that these two were twins? Haruka reveals that Kanata is her twin, and everybody starts dropping jaws.
Third, why does the main family not know which child is the daughter of that dude? I'm not that knowledged in medicine, but isn't it possible to learn something like that from a simple blood test? It's clear that the father knows which girl is his daughter, which means some test was done in the past. So how did the main family not get word of this information?
Fourth, it doesn't really make sense to me why Haruka's father would get violent in the first place. He married into that family knowing full well their wacky tradition of 2 guys 1 girl. Getting tired of sharing his woman with another man was in the fine print.
Now that I think about it, what man in his right mind would ever agree to marry into that family? Is there actually a guy out there who is willing to share his girl with another man?? I know I wouldn't! Any rational thinking man would convince his lover that her family's traditions are retarded and they should run away and get married independently of them. Either that or the women of that family are extremely promiscuous and really enjoy having two lovers, and they also skillfully convince two men that marrying her is a good idea.
Fifth, I really don't see the big deal of being the child of a criminal. The man didn't even succeed in murdering anybody, it was attempted murder, and even if that man was the equivalent of Hitler, that is completely unrelated to his kids. The thought that that family would be so ashamed of a criminal in the family that they would beat his daughter is retarded. You know what that reminds me of? It reminds me of when the tsunami hit Japan. You know what some Americans were saying? They were saying 'it serves them right for what they did to Pearl Harbor'. Well what the heck, that was half a century ago, stop blaming people for sins their parents caused.
And what does Haruka's mother have to say about all that? Is she alright with her family abusing her daughter because her husband did something naughty?

Funya-Usagi said:
I'm really wondering if the bad directing will hit Refrain....

3 girl arcs in and it's obviously got less than twice the impact Kanon/Clannad arcs had despite being just as good in the original.

We as visual novel players have been reassuring anime only viewers that the girl route's may not be as good as refrain but are at least on par with Kanon... but sadly it's not due to the directing.

at first i was expecting Refrain to be on After story level. but i think because of the directing it'll be on an emotional par with say.. makoto, or fuuko.

it's 17 episodes, 3 girl routes in.. they've already proven what they're capable of and that's reducing the emotional impact. I'm not going to be foolishly expecting the direction to get better out of nowhere for refrain unless they hire a whole new team.

Limechan said:
We pretty much know that Rin route and Refrain will be left for a second season, but what about Kurugaya?

I've seen many comments saying her route should be left for the 2nd season, but I disagree. I think her route should be the last one of the 1st season, somewhat connecting both. The question is if there'll be time to do so.