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| @June93 Short on manpower? Even if it was indeed established through dialogue, don’t you think that’s a lil ridiculous? I counted at least 5 officers and they did confirm there’s only one threat/target, or did they? Seriously, how’s that short on manpower with the hardware they're carrying? And the argument regarding the girl doing the right thing by shooting her senior to save the victim cum imminent threat is nothing but sophistry. One would at least expect of such an authoritarian government who would implement the use of such weaponry as the “dominator” (had been better off as dominatrix imo XD) to train their police force extensively to the point of whitewashing. And to think that a lousy, morally upright character would be given such a pass/license to hold this kind of weapon is simply out of whack. Ftr, I really don’t mind that she shot the mc or that she’s morally aware. What bothers me is that she had to obstruct the work of her teammates for quite a ridiculous amount of (drama) time, and ultimately screaming her mindfucked brains out while pulling the trigger. That tells me clearly, she has no business being out on the field, let alone in this kind of series. Now, had only she had shot him with a straight face (unremorsefully--for knowing that she's doing the right thing) after “calmly” deliberating and failing to convince him to stop/reconsider his course of action, then that would have truly made this series unforgiving. I’d say drop this shitty attempt at pathos—it’s not going to work with such a character. Or better yet, drop/write-off that shitty character altogether. |
a1onerOct 15, 2012 12:23 AM
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a1oner said: @June93 Short on manpower? Even if it was indeed established through dialogue, don’t you think that’s a lil ridiculous? I counted at least 5 officers and they did confirm there’s only one threat/target, or did they? Seriously, how’s that short on manpower with the hardware they're carrying? And the argument regarding the girl doing the right thing by shooting her senior to save the victim cum imminent threat is nothing but sophistry. One would at least expect of such an authoritarian government who would implement the use of such weaponry as the “dominator” (had been better off as dominatrix imo XD) to train their police force extensively to the point of whitewashing. And to think that a lousy, morally upright character would be given such a pass/license to hold this kind of weapon is simply out of whack. Ftr, I really don’t mind that she shot the mc or that she’s morally aware. What bothers me is that she had to obstruct the work of her teammates for quite a ridiculous amount of (drama) time, and ultimately screaming her mindfucked brains out while pulling the trigger. That tells me clearly, she has no business being out on the field, let alone in this kind of series. Now, had only she had shot him with a straight face (unremorsefully--for knowing that she's doing the right thing) after “calmly” deliberating and failing to convince him to stop/reconsider his course of action, then that would have truly made this series unforgiving. I’d say drop this shitty attempt at pathos—it’s not going to work with such a character. I agree, that's a serious weakness for now. What's stronger, someone that ask himself "is what I have done during all these years right?" or a newbie that come and say "what you're doing is wrong!"? |
| Okay, this was a really strong first episode, I like it a lot so far. Exposition could have been handled better, but after some of the first episodes this seasons I ain't gonna complain. Hope this keeps up, love the atmosphere. 5/5. |
| wow, i think i will really like this one, i am sure of it, i felt the darker then black vibes as well! |
| That was epic. Love the theme and that ending was crazy |
| Wonder how Gen will troll us with this, and I wonder if this is his first series that will end "happy" - I think not. |
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RisHotHead said: PervisumChaos said: InfiniteDestiny said: SetsukoHara said: InfiniteDestiny said: That said tho i'm already hating Akane, shooting him like that wasn't cool. This guy seems a bit crazy, shooting him was probably the only way to stop him. Its not just that she shot him, its her reasoning for doing so, naive characters like her are always freaken annoying, heck we got a character who is practically the same this very season in Sakura, i can't stand either one of them T_T Her reasoning for doing so was completely valid. That guy she shot is a criminal very well capable of killing a woman who only needed a few words to snap out of her frenzy. That is not being a badass shooting a girl who had just been raped and bashed, it's stupid and if he done so, he would've become a terrible character. YES. Oh god yes. I was wondering this whole time why the hell everyone was going against the only moral (and THINKING) character in that episode. I was like "wtf is wrong with people?" The Psycho-Pass system is seriously flawed, and she acted because of those flaws. Let's put it in the view of a software: when the criminal was already raping a woman, he was still at Paralyzer. RAPE. And yet at paralyzer, I'm assuming the same level since he was first flagged. That's flaw number one. It only goes to execution mode when he runs. Why the heck is that? Why didn't the system think he was beyond therapy when she was friggin raping and torturing a woman? Second: its basis is wrong. The woman gets the same Coefficient just coz she was around him? Why didn't she just get a paralyzer level because of her trauma? She hasn't been raping anyone. The system also fails to put personality into account. A traumatized woman is also capable of self-harm--probably more so than harming others. That doesn't make her a criminal, it just makes her suicidal. Also, it doesn't take psychology into account. Psychology is a SCIENCE and it's not taken into account. Third: it's inconsistent. One second it's telling the gun users to kill the woman, but once Akane just talks to the woman it goes back to paralyze. So that means it wasn't able to predict THAT possibility. It goes to extreme first before a simple change makes it go to paralyze. This isn't an anti-virus, it's a gun. It kills people. You'd think those things would be precision instruments. Uwah. Thank you guys for making the most sense out of the lead girls action. A character being naive does not automatically account for being self-righteous. As an investigator, she was attending to her duties, and as a human, to her morality. I'm glad that she's not a dumbass heroine. And then we have this issue about the gun. Like the users that I've quote had said, it goes to subjugating mode at initial gunpoint. Meaning, this is how the system of prosecution is designed - it's completely one-sided, and completely unreasonable. As far as I see it, the gun overrules the user. Except for the rookie who chooses not to shoot the victim, the Enforcers were on the go to persecute everyone and anyone involved with a high Coefficient - with or without any substantial reasoning regarding the event. Frankly, I think the series does have some flair, but with these kind of plot holes, I'd say it wouldn't fare too far. |
| You guys need to realize this is an anime in 2012. The presence of logic shocks me. |
sagdashin said: No way. This will be a gut wrenching series where loads will die cause of the system. Wonder how Gen will troll us with this, and I wonder if this is his first series that will end "happy" - I think not. Who knows if the MC girl will get the worst shit in anime or in general done to her. That would be quite exceptional of Gen to do that but we shall see. I am sure the Akane will have loads more shit coming to her. Cause in her therapy situations it can always backfire in her face. |
Emethyst said: YES. Oh god yes. I was wondering this whole time why the hell everyone was going against the only moral (and THINKING) character in that episode. I was like "wtf is wrong with people?" The Psycho-Pass system is seriously flawed, and she acted because of those flaws. Let's put it in the view of a software: when the criminal was already raping a woman, he was still at Paralyzer. RAPE. And yet at paralyzer, I'm assuming the same level since he was first flagged. That's flaw number one. It only goes to execution mode when he runs. Why the heck is that? Why didn't the system think he was beyond therapy when she was friggin raping and torturing a woman? Second: its basis is wrong. The woman gets the same Coefficient just coz she was around him? Why didn't she just get a paralyzer level because of her trauma? She hasn't been raping anyone. The system also fails to put personality into account. A traumatized woman is also capable of self-harm--probably more so than harming others. That doesn't make her a criminal, it just makes her suicidal. Also, it doesn't take psychology into account. Psychology is a SCIENCE and it's not taken into account. Third: it's inconsistent. One second it's telling the gun users to kill the woman, but once Akane just talks to the woman it goes back to paralyze. So that means it wasn't able to predict THAT possibility. It goes to extreme first before a simple change makes it go to paralyze. This isn't an anti-virus, it's a gun. It kills people. You'd think those things would be precision instruments. 1) He was prescribed to undergo a certain therapy when his Crime Coefficient (CC) was about 100+. So at this point he could have been calmed down by some sort of treatment. When he was raping the woman his CC was 190+, that's when the Paralyzer was prescribed to take him into custody. The lethal mode activated when he had a killing intention (he had his knife against that woman's throat. 2) The woman's CC was 160+ so she was a target for paralyzing, because she could have hurt herself of somebody else. Of course Masaoka could have tried to talk to her, but probably he didn't want to risk. Hadn't Akane interfered, the woman would have been taken to the police office or some medical facility for treatment. 3) The Dominator is a machine that counts. It estimates a person's CC at a given moment of time, it does not predict anything. It just chooses the most appropriate means to deal with the target according to its current state. The lethal mode was activated when that woman posed a threat to her own life and Kogami's life (Because he stepped into the pool of gasoline. And I believe he did it on purpose to raise the woman's CC, so he's an asshole). When the woman dropped the lighter, there was no threat to anybody's life so the Dominator returned to paralyzer mode. So the system is pretty accurate, the real problem is the human factor. The Enforcers are really eager to do everything as quick and easy as possible. |
St_RangerOct 16, 2012 2:17 AM
RisHotHead said: Vartain said: Enjoyable, but trying too hard to be grim-dark. Well drawn, I do hope that the budget will allow them too keep up current level of animation. I'll refrain from commenting on the characters, twenty-one episodes to go. On a side note, people complaining about the actions of the rookie cop, oh wow, long time since I've read so many comments from angsty teenagers, aren't you overdoing it with your "Hurr I'm so edgy."? Exactly what I thought. Akane's actions were justifiable in that--goddammit that was a victim. She's a cop, she's supposed to protect and serve. Morally she's in the right, logically too-- the victim is just confused and her Criminal Coefficient is "inherited" rather than developed naturally. She didn't even go crazy here, she did try to talk Kou out of it. Plus it's a bullshit system. well the victim was on the brim of igniting a pool of fuel where the whole crew were standing, so basically she took a huge risk trying to talk a now crazy person (inherited or not) out of it. You have to keep your own team safe first if in order to it being a point in saving someone else. My point being in that situation Akene violates the first to accomplish the second. It's a gray area, morally and logically, but she is going about it in a totally black/white perspective. That's why I was pointing out five year old morals in a previous post. But yeah, it's a bullshit system ;) RisHotHead said: In addition, I think Psycho-Pass has more in common (mood-wise) with Judge Dredd than Minority Report because in Minority Report, the system is seen to be working. People don't see its flaws and moral issues until the hero gets into trouble because of it. With Psycho-Pass, the system is obviously disturbing and problematic, like the Judge system, and too extreme. The "Judge, Jury, Executioner" thing also applies to Psycho-Pass. Plus, those guns. Lawgivers, anyone? With you on that one, even though she is raised in the system and even a top graduate from a police academy she is perplexed and disturbed by how it is working. But it's just the first ep, hopefully they'll fill in some holes. |
Kannei said: DraconisMarch said: I like violence. Anyone else like violence? I. Like. Violence. 2nd ;) 3th <--- |
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| Pretty good first ep. I loved how that dude's body exploded. That was fantastic :D Was hoping for some b00bs, but it appears they'd rather show bodies exploding than some bra-less boobs and nipples. Meh :( |
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| I actuall y liked this a lot more than I was expecting too. The setting is really very nice, very sci-fi - I can see myself picking up and enjoying a novel with the same premise this anime has shown. The visuals are fairly nice, the CG isn't too glaring. The characters are interesting; I want to know more about them. |
| Good for Madoka, looks like she went to police academy and graduated top of her class. Too bad Urobutcher's gonna shatter her worldview all over again. |
Icebreaker93 said: Kannei said: DraconisMarch said: I like violence. Anyone else like violence? I. Like. Violence. 2nd ;) 3th <--- 4th :> |
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aiNkyy said: Icebreaker93 said: Kannei said: DraconisMarch said: I like violence. Anyone else like violence? I. Like. Violence. 2nd ;) 3th <--- 4th :> 5th And i expect terrifying things from Gen. "Terrifying" in a good way ^^. |
| People are seriously over thinking this first ep so hard saying shit like the system is flawed when its blatantly obvious to a viewer that it is lol. Give it time for the story to develop first.. |
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| Wow, this was not what i was expecting. Great so far, can't wait for future episodes. |
| Nice episode. I found it to be pretty awesome to watch. The music at the beginning and at the end were really nice as well. |
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| The seriousness and the fact that this show is mature make it promising and interesting for me. Definitely continuing the show. |
| interesting episode. |
skudoops said: To be honest, thinking about how our times are, is the system really as flawed as we are making it out to be? Sure it has its faults, such as determining victims in high pressure situations to be enforceable, but ultimately it's the enforcer than makes the decision whether to use force or not. Infact, comparing to real life, with the amount of unnecessary lethal force used by the police today, a gun that only allow lethal force in extreme circumstances where it determines that the subject is willing to kill wouldn't be such a bad thing. Additionally with recent outbreak of school shootings and teen suicides, a system like that would be able to identify and help treat troubled youth before they do something drastic. Hell, that could pretty much apply to adults as well. Honestly we have all been looking at it from a negative point of view without actually trying to see the other side of the coin. I can see why a system like that would be implemented because it solves two problems - 1. Police are authorized lethal force only in dire circumstances avoiding unnecessary killings 2. Those on the edge in society get the counselling they need before they reach a state where they do something drastic. I think my government is utterly retarded, incompetent, corrupt to the core and every single one of them should be blown out of their offices in a V for Vendetta style, courtesy of high powered explosives. I also think that annoying and arrogant female desk worker (you know, one of THOSE, which everybody encounters at some point in their life) that you have to wait in line and put up in order to get your paperwork done, should be smacked and sent back to the kitchen, or preferably hauled off to Africa in some fashionable rags. So according to Psycho-Pass I'm ripe for some "don't taze me bro" treatment... ...except for, you know, "slight" differences in thinking and actually doing something. This is why things like 1984, Minority Report, Judge Dredd comics, etc. are tackling this issue, not because it's a good idea, but exactly because it is a really fucking bad idea. When some random unseen authority out there is quickly passing judgments on you, then you're on a slippery slope down to fascism or nazi regime. I liked the episode for the most part (except the top student having to be explained the inner workings of the police department and how to handle a gun), but it's almost ridiculous how some people in this thread think this system is good or that the rape victim should have been shot. She is innocent, hell even the generic bad guy rapist was technically innocent, up until the breaking point he was a normal average joe until some scumbag A.I scanned him and told him: "Sorry broseph, you're a criminal according to our readings. Get bent." |
RoNin-87Oct 17, 2012 5:54 PM
| Another eye-candy animation with excellent music production :O This one kinda interests me though~ |
phoenixalia said: Yvese said: Was hoping for some b00bs, but it appears they'd rather show bodies exploding than some bra-less boobs and nipples. Meh :( we have enough of those kinds of shows. We will still get to see Akane in the shower in the next episode =) |
| Let's just say it didn't quite meet my expectations. In retrospect, my expectations for a FIRST episode were a little unrealistic. I walked in her expecting the next Madoka. But then again, Madoka did take 3 episodes to really take off. The setting and premise are interesting, but the characters so far aren't too memorable. However, this is the FIRST episode. I will continue to watch this series. |
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| Interesting first episode. Lots of jargon being thrown around, though. That is never a good thing. |
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| Interesting series right from the 1st episode!!! Though this town is plain weird, just because a person has bad thoughts inside their heads, they're considered latent criminals. Everyone has some bad in them, right? |
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This kind of genre is a little new to me but i loved this episode! The main girl is kinda annoying to me but I'll probably get over it. Also I feel bad for that woman but hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. The guns are cool though. |
| Psycho pass is rushing already; calling it now, this Show will end up with horrible pacing and ultimately fail. Perhaps the characters will live up to what this first episode promised; but, overall its qualities will probably end up horribly. The gun and technology concept seems legit, though. |
| Friggin loved this first episode. Good story, convincing setting, good music. Moe is kept to the minimum and adult situations are handled by adults. Dare I dream that this can be a spiritual succesor to Ghost in the Shell SAC? I really hope it keeps it up for 22 episodes. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
JeffreyZin said: 1. I can't believe EGOIST from Guilty Crown will sing the ED... 2. Is it me or Akane does it look like Kamiki Izumo from Blue Exorcist?! Haha! Glad I wasn't the only one! |
| Why are people hating on Akane. She is the "only sane man" in the show. |
| The Art of Eight |
| I like the atmosphere of the city. It's dark, futuristic, and dangerous looking. The "Hounds" seem like pretty good guys deep down. I'm guessing this so called "Psycho Pass" that can measure a person's being is inaccurate since they don't look like anything compared to the scum they hunted down. They're just different then others. So yeah, good first episode. |
| An efficient introduction. Having the lead character be the only sane person is a very interesting angle. There are a few traps a show like this has to look out for. It can become all too impressed with its own darkness and grittiness, it can forget to be interesting science fiction and become a boring old cop show, or it can effectively whitewash the present by making its dystopia too disconnected from any current phenomenon. But I don't see any sign of it doing any of these from the first episode, and I trust Urobuchi. Obviously, the system in question is absolutely horrific. But the creators definitely know this. |
RisHotHead said: Psycho-Pass's first episode bothered me in that I don't get that feeling. It feels....cheap. Here's this world that seems to run on logic and superior tech, and yet it uses an obviously flawed system, and apparently no one sees the wrong in this. There is no human aspect to it. I don't feel sorry for these people; I just feel annoyed. The use of an obviously flawed system is totally realistic. Take, for instance, drug prohibition today. Anyone looking at that from an outsider's perspective who thought it was a good idea could only be called insane. But because it's part of our law and culture, loads of people actually support it. It's very difficult to see even the most obvious problems in your own system, because 99% of media, culture and conversation will support the status quo simply by default. Reflecting unpopular opinions is controversial and needs to be thought about and justified, reflecting popular opinions is not just automatic, it's even invisible. Anyone who's a part of a culture will support anything wrong about that culture which they haven't thought about or been exposed to the problems of without even thinking about it. |
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