| Seriously if Anime goes to those stupid 3D glasses crap i am done. But the part of the Fansubs is true though. |
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xDoN904 said: Seriously if Anime goes to those stupid 3D glasses crap i am done. But the part of the Fansubs is true though. I think this will be limited to OVAs and movies for a few years before TV series become 3D if that ever happens. |
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| There actually are quite a few current distribution methods that work really well. Gundam Unicorn seems to be selling very strong, even overseas. In fact, I heard it's the top selling OVA series of all time, so far, but I can't cite that. By getting official subs and the dub out there days before any fansub can even touch the newest episodes, they're able to sell quite a bit. I know a lot of people rented the third episode from the Zune/Xbox Live Marketplaces just because no one uploaded anything for about a week (myself included: I rented it very soon after it was released). Not to mention, renting's in 1080p, and streaming is insanely fast. There are many different venues for people to watch the series officially, that it puts any fansubs for the series to shame. So it's not like they're totally clueless about how to sell anything. It's more like they don't even try to do any cool, new distribution methods. Then they whine and complain about fansubs sapping too much money from the industry, then they become even more conservative, and it spirals from there. |
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TeamFortress2 said: I support the industry, I buy DVDs and manga and figurines when I can. Fansubs get me interested in stuff, not the other way around. That. If it were possible to get the actual BD releases from Japan, at the same time to the western countries, there wouldn't be such a big problem. Except that you need to do that =) |
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| Naruto is targeted at 13 yr old kids, you expect their parents to buy every single release... kids have access to internet so of course they'll use fansubs from my experience I watch anime from fansubs, if I "enjoy" the show I will "buy it" on dvd, even though they are Overpriced!! |
| Without fansubs, I wouldn't even watch anime. I'm not about to pay ridiculous prices for anime that I'm only going to watch once. I've spent HUNDREDS of dollars in merch, though. I buy my manga, too. So fuck them. I'll watch fansubs if I want. Also, I don't have much of a "demand" for 3D anime. I'm perfectly fine with my 2D. |
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| I don't really understand though. Can the anime industry not survive unless overseas sales thrive? Is the anime industry not sufficient just in Japan? |
| No shit. Love the people defending their cheapness and selfishness over fansubs. It's amazing how the ignorant would rather defend their ignorance then learn. |
Sabinlerose said: No shit. Love the people defending their cheapness and selfishness over fansubs. It's amazing how the ignorant would rather defend their ignorance then learn. Absolute Truth. This thread will just be repeated time and time again, while your anime DVDs continue to get released slower and slower, with shittier and shittier voice acting, and costing more and more money. and you wonder why. Derp. |
| I have been trying to get a hang on what is what and where it is being sold for the past half a year. Even though I have set aside enough money for whatever anime+manga I like, I still cannot find the right place to order it from. I am not giving x3 the price and order it from my country (since they don't sell it they have to order it especially for me and raise the price by several times) neither am I spending 20 euro for delivery only when a volume is less than 10! And trust me, I always buy whatever I like. I am not filling someone's pockets for something I would watch only an episode of. They can cry if they wish. |
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| Heck, I even recently went to Japan from the US for over a month and bought a crapload of stuff (anime/manga related and otherwise), besides paying for lodging, travel, food, etc etc. There is NO WAY I would have gotten as interested in Japan as much as I am as quickly as I did were it not for fansubs. Meanwhile back in the states, I buy anime, figures, OSTs, etc when I can find something (that I already have an interest due to watching fansubs). I may be a poor college student and that stuff is expensive, but heck, I love anime! If that's not proof of fansubs supporting the Japanese economy, I don't know what is. |
| It's a vicious cycle. The anime industry in my country basically buys manga and anime off companies in Taiwan who sub / dub the stuff that they buy from Japan (yeah it's third-hand). So if you go to the shops now you can get Bleach volume 30 in Taiwanese Chinese (that I don't read) or horrible English. So we go to fansubs who can give us quality for less money. Then the money doesn't flow to the companies in Japan and they can't export their stuff and things come full circle Oh, and his comment that Naruto isn't doing well overseas? He fails cultural relativism FOREVER. So he's assuming that all the overseas children will like what Japanese children like? |
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| well, I'm not a fan of any 3D stuffs, even the real movie because it hurt my eyes and I'm getting tired easily, so I'M SUPPORTING ANIME 2D! you know, just don't dub the anime and sell it with subs, I don't mind paying for purchasing DVDs/blurays just with sub but I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR DUBS WHEN I DON'T NEED IT. |
| comparing it to pokemon LOL if they didnt reuse the story over and over im sure it wouldent have died pokemon was brutaly butchered by 4 kids and half of dubbed anime today was butchered we never noticed and naruto................the manga is worth buying but not the anime you know how many fillers there is to a disc some times? |
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| If they actually tried something online with the quality of netflix+ subscription i wouldn't mind paying for a subscription for a certain amount of airing series or something. But it's always crappy streams on official sites. One thing i don't understand though is the idiots that download official stream rips and either upload them to other streaming sites or put it on torrents. Makes not a damn bit of sense to me. still looks like shit either way. On fansubs, i see no difference between me downloading a airing series+ watching it then deleting it to someone watching it on TV. Maybe older stuff that's not airing, yeah. But otherwise, when i'm done watching something i'm rarely interested in buying it when they finally decide to release Licensed DVDs. |
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GarLogan78 said: i believe Japanese people don't buy DVDs much even though its there 2 blocks away.I don't really understand though. Can the anime industry not survive unless overseas sales thrive? Is the anime industry not sufficient just in Japan? ycart59 said: same here.Also, I don't have much of a "demand" for 3D anime. I'm perfectly fine with my 2D. The industry should be a little clever in their DVD selling agenda. In the country i live in, anime/manga is not available and my native country sells all pirated disks plus shipping cost is fucking high...therefore ~its a pinch! Fansubs is necessary and the industry is jealous though i really can't judge them as the lack of profit can cause the demise of 2D world in future. Solution: every country on this planet should make Japanese their official 1st language! |
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| I wonder if the 3DS has anything to do with this random 3D anime push. |
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| They should stop producing shows exclusivly for the japanese market. The international sales are just milking whatever potential there's left and as long as they treat it that way the situation won't change. Create easy and convenient access to your shows. Affordable online streams with quality translations and without regional restrictions. You have all the means to realize that. But if you keep harassing companies like Funimation because they can't prevent a stream from being pirated, then nothing will change. The future is not selling DVDs like you did for years. That's the same lesson the western content industry has to learn. Oh and that 3d argument is like saying live-action movies destroy the anime industry. |
| i try to support the anime insudtry when ever i can however the prices sometimes are outrageous and yeah and 3D anime....give a break its like people would just make stuff 3D just to make it 3D i prefer my 2D stuff anyday |
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| while i can understand the hatin there given fansubs, becuase there are costing them money, the 3d thing i dont get, lol nobody real cares about 3d much any more theres so much it isnt special anymore... |
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| That's what cool about anime, is not in 3D, I can't imagine watching my favorite shows in 3D, that would be horrible. |
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MasterAlchemist said: kinda disappointed in the fans response to be honest. Yes i do the same as most, watch it online through fansiub. But, this doesnt change the fact i 100% prefer to watch anime on official dvds. or read manga in books. Im giving something, so im doing my part for the industry. Plus i find watching anime on actual tv an absolute joy. It simply becomes a more social event , and ive actually mangaged to convert people to anime, thanks to this. Im not saying people should stop watching online, Im just saying try your best to support an industry we all enjoy. Yes we ALL want the official dvds. They are considered collectibles, albeit expensive ones. Once I'm gonna get rich in a few years, I'm gonna buy my favourite series to replace my pirated collection. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
dtshyk said: 3. Cooperation with Crunchyroll didn't work well We did try to go along with fansub groups by making a contract with Crunchyroll. We had expected Crunchyroll to take actions against unauthorized sharing but they couldn't. They are also a small-sized company like us. Many of the titles are simply incompatible with the simulcast because the production of each TV episode usually completes just before the airing time in Japan. Regarding the simulcast not being feasible because production of each episode completes just before airing... couldn't they just start production earlier. I mean, why can't they finish producing an entire series even before the first episode is set to air. And how did this deal with the fansubber work? Did the fansubbers sell downloads of the subbed versions of the anime? Or was it only streaming or DVDs or what? I don't think too many people would want DVDs. I think most want downloads, and not just because they are free. So I'd think they make some money if they just offered subbed downloads for a price. Or they could offer them for free but ask that people send payment of their own choosing. Even mention that request for payment in each episode. That'd surely get them a decent amount of money. |
| those who download these episodes should just die okay??? AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh |
| wtf 3D anime? 3D anime would just ruin the feel of everything. you can't do wtf faces anymore and so many elements that make anime what it is would just disappear. anyone remember Cubix? thats what I thought |
| I love how the company that's in dire economic straits is complaining about this. Maybe if you did more than pump out such excellent shows like Iron Man and Wolverine you could make some money and not be in such a poor situation. |
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| When the legal alternative is of equal or greater quality than fansubs I will stop using them. For now I have to watch fansubs to enjoy the anime in the first place. Where possible, I still buy DVDs of shows that I like to support the industry, but I have been consistently disappointed with the quality of subtitling on DVDs and would not be able to enjoy the anime with that alone, so I mostly buy the DVDs to support the industry, not to actually watch them so much. I can get better quality video, audio and subtitles from a fansub group every time. Even if the Japanese anime companies are "small" they are still bigger than fansub groups, which are effectively voluntary organisations, yet produce better quality releases of material than legal licensors who have the resources to actually put money into the process. Insteas of trying to wipe out fansubs or pretend they don't exist, companies should learn from them and see what the fans actually want in terms of video quality and subtitles. It doesn't take a genius to make decent typesetting in aegisub. It doesn't take hours of effort to make good HD encodes in VirtualDub. Surely industry professionals can beat that, no? |
| 90% bullshit |
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| This is why I love you guys and this website....most of you guys know how to bring intelligent post and opinions.... If this was on AnimeNewsNetwork, aka the biggest douche anime website community on the net, then everyone would be calling this dude a messiah... |
| Anime is extremely niche in the west. They should be happy they get any money from us. |
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| I've seen 3D before and most of it is shit when you compare it to it's 2D counterpart. Wouldn't it cost more and take longer to make a 3D anime that didn't look like crap than a good looking 2D anime? 2D4L! "Fansub as free publicity" is unreal !? Riiight... There would be at least a very slight drop in overseas anime sales if it wasn't for fansubs. Some groups buy the Blu-Rays in order to sub them! It's unlikely that anyone that didn't speak Japanese would buy a DVD/Blu-Ray of a anime that didn't get licensed by the US if fansubs didn't sub them. Pretty sure the US or wherever anime community wouldn't be as big as it is if it wasn't for the fansubbers that started the fansubbing boom in the 80s or whenever it was. How about hiring some fansubbers or something to add English subs to the DVD/Blu-Rays like Maikaze did with A Summer's Day Dream? (Make the subs look better though... and there's no need to add the speaking characters name before each line...) Blu-Rays have more than enough room for a second language track. |
GogettersMar 28, 2011 8:29 PM
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dtshyk said: The mass-production of 3D anime is no match for the inefficient production of 2D anime. if 2D is inefficient then why not make it efficient? or make 3D more livelier looking like holywood's 3D animations dtshyk said: 3. Cooperation with Crunchyroll didn't work well We did try to go along with fansub groups by making a contract with Crunchyroll. We had expected Crunchyroll to take actions against unauthorized sharing but they couldn't. They are also a small-sized company like us. Many of the titles are simply incompatible with the simulcast because the production of each TV episode usually completes just before the airing time in Japan. err they do not need to simulcast it, Fansub releases takes like 3-5 hours after showing that anime on Japanese TV, so hey can do the same thing as Fansubs does as much as i like to buy those anime, im living in a 3rd world country where prices of original DVD and BluRay are like half the monthly salary of a regular employee here and that is just the price of 1 DVD disc the only way to reduce piracy is to change the prices as stated on the links below http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/report-piracy-a-global-pricing-problem-with-only-one-solution.ars http://www.osnews.com/story/24523/Report_Piracy_a_Global_Pricing_Problem_ |
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| In my all honest opinion (which I can already tell a lot of people will think is wrong), if they want to make money, they need to say fuck it with the DVD sales. They need to realize that that's not going to work. Invest more money into merchandising. I might not buy the DVDs, but all of the money I've put into the merchandise is borderline ridiculous. And manga sales. I have a friend that has almost over 3,000 volumes of manga. If that isn't a chunk of change, I don't know what is. |
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dtshyk said: 1. Even Naruto cannot make money ...I lol'd so hard at this. Now if you say this for bleach as well...... |
Dreadnaught_500Mar 28, 2011 8:03 PM
| Pffffft. |
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| What do they mean by 3D? Do they mean by the glasses or CGI? |
| I always try to buy dvds when I can. I normally only use fansubs to watch something that isn't available in english or something that I don't want to buy before I know I like it, then when I know I buy. |
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| Anime != Cartoons Anime > Cartoons(even in 3D) 'nuff said... |
"Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5."  |
Cashdaxxx said: Anime != Cartoons Anime > Cartoons(even in 3D) That's it. No more to complain |
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