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Jun 7, 2017 12:37 PM
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libertarianmind said:
But "disgusting" isn't a moral statement. Disgusting =/=wrong

If you are disgusted by seeing two guys being romantic (and just that) to each other, then you have a problem with male homosexuality.
Having a problem with (a form of) homosexuality is the definition of homophobia.

And seriously, if you are disgusted by seeing two guys happy with each other, then you have an important social handicap, and you should probably go check a psy if you can't solve that handicap by yourself.
I mean, normally, when you see someone happy, you should feel happiness too, that's called the empathy. The only "normal" exceptions for that, is that you hate or are jealous of the said person… which already aren't very healthy reactions, but are tolerated by our societies.


And actually, "disgust" is a reaction. But the cause of that reaction can be physiological, psychological, or moral.
In the case of seeing two boys affectionate to each other, you can be sure it's not physiological, but either one of the other two possible causes.
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livexevil said:
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But plenty of the yuri I like isn't sexual enough to even be hot. If you're right, then I should only be into stuff like Cross Ange.
But the fact that I like yuri that's less sexual than the average straight anime proves that it's not just about them being hot
Sexual or not didn't change anything, ppl still can find the char as fap/waifu material even it's story not sexual enough. If you think yaoi gross and yuri not, that's proof you simply find yuri appealing because it's 'girl', that's the only reason for you. Straight male likes girl, especially girl on girl action is hot and once again because it's 'girl' thats only acceptable things for them, right?


I do find it appealing because it's two girls.
But I don't feel like it's just because girl on girl is hot... Girl on girl is hot there's no doubt about that.
But I don't think that's the one and only reason I like yuri. Maybe it is part of it, but if that was 100% the only reason, I would just watch porn.
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I don't watch Yaoi not because I'm homophobic (I have family who are gay and I love them deeply).

I just don't find the story appealling to me. I mean I watch episodes of Gravition and stuff on occassion but I never thought they were aweful just not for me.

I like yuri, because hey I'm a guy.
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idk about others but i get a bit triggered when people judge shows strongly based on the relationships.
They can say they're not watching it because they're not a fan of yaoi, but if they generalize all boyxboy relationships as disgusting, messed-up, not-supposed-to-exist, wrong, then I get triggered.
Also, I don't really get why people love yuri but hates yaoi so much. Especially when they judge yaoi cuz it's sexual, as though yuri isn't?
honestly, I'm fine with boyxboy and girlxgirl as long as they don't get too messed up like Killing Stalking or some weird hentai yuri.
Jun 7, 2017 2:24 PM
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SkyFullOfStars said:
idk about others but i get a bit triggered when people judge shows strongly based on the relationships.
They can say they're not watching it because they're not a fan of yaoi, but if they generalize all boyxboy relationships as disgusting, messed-up, not-supposed-to-exist, wrong, then I get triggered.
Also, I don't really get why people love yuri but hates yaoi so much. Especially when they judge yaoi cuz it's sexual, as though yuri isn't?
honestly, I'm fine with boyxboy and girlxgirl as long as they don't get too messed up like Killing Stalking or some weird hentai yuri.


For me it's just about aesthetics. There's no thought process to yaoi being gross and yuri being cute.
It's just aesthetics
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libertarianmind said:
SkyFullOfStars said:
idk about others but i get a bit triggered when people judge shows strongly based on the relationships.
They can say they're not watching it because they're not a fan of yaoi, but if they generalize all boyxboy relationships as disgusting, messed-up, not-supposed-to-exist, wrong, then I get triggered.
Also, I don't really get why people love yuri but hates yaoi so much. Especially when they judge yaoi cuz it's sexual, as though yuri isn't?
honestly, I'm fine with boyxboy and girlxgirl as long as they don't get too messed up like Killing Stalking or some weird hentai yuri.


For me it's just about aesthetics. There's no thought process to yaoi being gross and yuri being cute.
It's just aesthetics

I'm fine with that :)
It's just when people start insulting an anime for being 'gay', thus 'wrong' and 'gross' that I start getting triggered.
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I don't find yaoi "disgusting" but as a straight male I definitely prefer yuri and even though I don't think it's disgusting, I dislike it when two straight characters are shipped (male or female), such as Simon and Kamina from Gurren Lagann. If the characters are known to be gay though I can tolerate both (though I tend to avoid yaoi in any form, but more out of a lack of interest than disgust)
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They're both otaku pandering plot devices made by straight people with the intention of appealing to their audiences perverted fetishes. So whether you like yuri or yaoi, congratulations, you're equally trash.

On a more serious note. Straight men tend to prefer girl on girl action, while straight girls obsess over guy on guy action. LGBT+ people just cling on to whatever, albeit inappropriate and unrealistic, representation we can get. It's not rocket science. It's messed up and ridiculous but welcome to our world. It's not inherently homophobic for a straight male to dislike Yaoi, it's..............anime..................... I don't care for a lot of girlxboy romance in anime, am I heterophobic LOL. Of course when people start saying gay=bad/shit anime, then it becomes a problem, especially when yuri=anime is saved. It's hypocrisy more than anything else.

BUT point is, y'all are equally trash bc-----wait for it-----anime is a mistake.
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lady_freyja said:
libertarianmind said:
But "disgusting" isn't a moral statement. Disgusting =/=wrong

If you are disgusted by seeing two guys being romantic (and just that) to each other, then you have a problem with male homosexuality.
Having a problem with (a form of) homosexuality is the definition of homophobia.

And seriously, if you are disgusted by seeing two guys happy with each other, then you have an important social handicap, and you should probably go check a psy if you can't solve that handicap by yourself.
I mean, normally, when you see someone happy, you should feel happiness too, that's called the empathy. The only "normal" exceptions for that, is that you hate or are jealous of the said person… which already aren't very healthy reactions, but are tolerated by our societies.


And actually, "disgust" is a reaction. But the cause of that reaction can be physiological, psychological, or moral.
In the case of seeing two boys affectionate to each other, you can be sure it's not physiological, but either one of the other two possible causes.


Good post. I'll add that when people have this urge to constantly clarify how disgusting they find gay men instead of, you know, just not watching yaoi and not talking about it unless someone else brings it up, usually aren't helping their point.

If you go out of your way to let the world know how disgusting you find gay men at every opportunity (like making threads about it, or commenting in every thread about some fujo-targeted adaption how you will never watch that disgusting garbage, or mentioning it in regards to clearly non-yaoi anime like Free! or Haikyuu where the sheer presence of a bunch of males on the screen together make you uncomfortable) it shows an unhealthy, psychological obsession with male homosexuality that can probably be linked back to homophobia in one way or the other.
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>Both of them are quite a M I S T A K E


^This.
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Op who cares.
Most anime made that contain either one of those two genres are trash anyways.
The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side.
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Pullman said:
lady_freyja said:

If you are disgusted by seeing two guys being romantic (and just that) to each other, then you have a problem with male homosexuality.
Having a problem with (a form of) homosexuality is the definition of homophobia.

And seriously, if you are disgusted by seeing two guys happy with each other, then you have an important social handicap, and you should probably go check a psy if you can't solve that handicap by yourself.
I mean, normally, when you see someone happy, you should feel happiness too, that's called the empathy. The only "normal" exceptions for that, is that you hate or are jealous of the said person… which already aren't very healthy reactions, but are tolerated by our societies.


And actually, "disgust" is a reaction. But the cause of that reaction can be physiological, psychological, or moral.
In the case of seeing two boys affectionate to each other, you can be sure it's not physiological, but either one of the other two possible causes.


Good post. I'll add that when people have this urge to constantly clarify how disgusting they find gay men instead of, you know, just not watching yaoi and not talking about it unless someone else brings it up, usually aren't helping their point.

If you go out of your way to let the world know how disgusting you find gay men at every opportunity (like making threads about it, or commenting in every thread about some fujo-targeted adaption how you will never watch that disgusting garbage, or mentioning it in regards to clearly non-yaoi anime like Free! or Haikyuu where the sheer presence of a bunch of males on the screen together make you uncomfortable) it shows an unhealthy, psychological obsession with male homosexuality that can probably be linked back to homophobia in one way or the other.


To be honest, I don't mind Free!
I'm secure enough in my sexuality to watch anime like that, or even anime where they have kind of homoerotic undertones for humor. Free! is funny to be honest.
In fact, a lot of anime I enjoy have gay undertones that are sort of used for humor.
It's the emotional stuff that's icky to me. I'd say there's a big difference between something like Samurai Flamenco and Yuri on Ice.
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Pullman said:
lady_freyja said:

If you are disgusted by seeing two guys being romantic (and just that) to each other, then you have a problem with male homosexuality.
Having a problem with (a form of) homosexuality is the definition of homophobia.

And seriously, if you are disgusted by seeing two guys happy with each other, then you have an important social handicap, and you should probably go check a psy if you can't solve that handicap by yourself.
I mean, normally, when you see someone happy, you should feel happiness too, that's called the empathy. The only "normal" exceptions for that, is that you hate or are jealous of the said person… which already aren't very healthy reactions, but are tolerated by our societies.


And actually, "disgust" is a reaction. But the cause of that reaction can be physiological, psychological, or moral.
In the case of seeing two boys affectionate to each other, you can be sure it's not physiological, but either one of the other two possible causes.


Good post. I'll add that when people have this urge to constantly clarify how disgusting they find gay men instead of, you know, just not watching yaoi and not talking about it unless someone else brings it up, usually aren't helping their point.

If you go out of your way to let the world know how disgusting you find gay men at every opportunity (like making threads about it, or commenting in every thread about some fujo-targeted adaption how you will never watch that disgusting garbage, or mentioning it in regards to clearly non-yaoi anime like Free! or Haikyuu where the sheer presence of a bunch of males on the screen together make you uncomfortable) it shows an unhealthy, psychological obsession with male homosexuality that can probably be linked back to homophobia in one way or the other.


true ^^
though there is a difference between being disgusted by yaoi stuff like boku no pico or being disgusted by something like Haikyuu.
Also, if it's just the sex thing that's bothering you, I personally don't find it to be homophobia, it's like how a lot of people avoid reading hentai and yaoi (at times) is just BL hentai.


BTW, I think something needs clarification in the anime community in general
Yaoi= sexual boyxboy relationship.
Shounen-ai= usually non-sexual, more emotional, literally meaning boy love. boy loves another boy, the end, no sex involved.

So I get annoyed when people writes off all boyxboy relationships as yaoi because do you see sex in Doukyuusei? No. 6? Yuri on Ice? if not, they are not yaoi anime.
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NanoRin said:
They're both otaku pandering plot devices made by straight people with the intention of appealing to their audiences perverted fetishes. So whether you like yuri or yaoi, congratulations, you're equally trash.

point is, y'all are equally trash


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SkyFullOfStars said:
Pullman said:


Good post. I'll add that when people have this urge to constantly clarify how disgusting they find gay men instead of, you know, just not watching yaoi and not talking about it unless someone else brings it up, usually aren't helping their point.

If you go out of your way to let the world know how disgusting you find gay men at every opportunity (like making threads about it, or commenting in every thread about some fujo-targeted adaption how you will never watch that disgusting garbage, or mentioning it in regards to clearly non-yaoi anime like Free! or Haikyuu where the sheer presence of a bunch of males on the screen together make you uncomfortable) it shows an unhealthy, psychological obsession with male homosexuality that can probably be linked back to homophobia in one way or the other.


true ^^
though there is a difference between being disgusted by yaoi stuff like boku no pico or being disgusted by something like Haikyuu.
Also, if it's just the sex thing that's bothering you, I personally don't find it to be homophobia, it's like how a lot of people avoid reading hentai and yaoi (at times) is just BL hentai.


BTW, I think something needs clarification in the anime community in general
Yaoi= sexual boyxboy relationship.
Shounen-ai= usually non-sexual, more emotional, literally meaning boy love. boy loves another boy, the end, no sex involved.

So I get annoyed when people writes off all boyxboy relationships as yaoi because do you see sex in Doukyuusei? No. 6? Yuri on Ice? if not, they are not yaoi anime.


To be honest the really emotional stuff in No. 6 and Yuri on Ice is way ickier to me than the more sexualized, manservice heavy stuff you find in Free!
If I was forced to pick, I'd rather watch yaoi than shoujo ai, if the yaoi is less romantic and more sexual.
For me, the romantic stuff is way ickier than the sexual stuff
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libertarianmind said:
SkyFullOfStars said:


true ^^
though there is a difference between being disgusted by yaoi stuff like boku no pico or being disgusted by something like Haikyuu.
Also, if it's just the sex thing that's bothering you, I personally don't find it to be homophobia, it's like how a lot of people avoid reading hentai and yaoi (at times) is just BL hentai.


BTW, I think something needs clarification in the anime community in general
Yaoi= sexual boyxboy relationship.
Shounen-ai= usually non-sexual, more emotional, literally meaning boy love. boy loves another boy, the end, no sex involved.

So I get annoyed when people writes off all boyxboy relationships as yaoi because do you see sex in Doukyuusei? No. 6? Yuri on Ice? if not, they are not yaoi anime.


To be honest the really emotional stuff in No. 6 and Yuri on Ice is way ickier to me than the more sexualized, manservice heavy stuff you find in Free!
If I was forced to pick, I'd rather watch yaoi than shoujo ai, if the yaoi is less romantic and more sexual.
For me, the romantic stuff is way ickier than the sexual stuff

I personally prefer the romantic stuff but that's fine too.

I just don't like it when people mess up the terms and generalize all boyxboy as yaoi.
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libertarianmind said:
Pullman said:


Good post. I'll add that when people have this urge to constantly clarify how disgusting they find gay men instead of, you know, just not watching yaoi and not talking about it unless someone else brings it up, usually aren't helping their point.

If you go out of your way to let the world know how disgusting you find gay men at every opportunity (like making threads about it, or commenting in every thread about some fujo-targeted adaption how you will never watch that disgusting garbage, or mentioning it in regards to clearly non-yaoi anime like Free! or Haikyuu where the sheer presence of a bunch of males on the screen together make you uncomfortable) it shows an unhealthy, psychological obsession with male homosexuality that can probably be linked back to homophobia in one way or the other.


To be honest, I don't mind Free!
I'm secure enough in my sexuality to watch anime like that, or even anime where they have kind of homoerotic undertones for humor. Free! is funny to be honest.
In fact, a lot of anime I enjoy have gay undertones that are sort of used for humor.
It's the emotional stuff that's icky to me. I'd say there's a big difference between something like Samurai Flamenco and Yuri on Ice.


Well one is a (relationship) drama the other one is... whatever Samurai Flamenco is. Noone can really tell xD.
So yeah of course the relationship drama will be more emotional while the clusterfuck will have more OTT comedy and stuff.

If you generally aren't a fan of emotional, relationship stuff then I can understand, but when all these 'preferences' are solely relevant when it comes to anything close to male homsexuality it just seems weird. I can understand not wanting to watch actual gay sex because you find it aesthetically displeasing (I used to be in the same boat but got used to it via game of thrones, Sense8 and trap doujins so now I'm neutral about it) too, although when short scenes like in SSY or GoT make a show completely unwatchable for someone despite previously being strongly interested in it, that's also pretty homophobic. But in general noone except you to watch gay sex or stuff where it is a central part of the story/appeal.

What I can't understand is finding the romance, not just the sex 'disgusting' only when it's males. That's not a normal reaction to me. Romance is about the characters and their feelings, not about aesthetics. It's not like sex scenes/porn/fanservice anime which you watch because it's visually pleasing and nothing else matters so if you don't like the aesthetics you shouldn't even watch it. If you like romance you should normally do so because you like the emotional plane behind those stories and the characters who feel them and the emotions are the same no matter what gender the involved people have. Doukyousei was depicting a beautiful and growing relationship, just like say Isshuukan Friends did. There really is no gender when it comes to the appeal of romance and the power of love as far as I'm concerned. Making romance about gender or sexuality and dismissing some forms of love as more disgusting than others will always kinda trigger me.

Imagine how a gay person must feel when they are constantly surrounded by people calling their form of love disgusting or despicable, basically inferior to any other form of love. And people even go out of their way to create threads about it all the time where they wonder why some people aren't a fan of that mindset. There's these gay people being depressed since everyone calls their love disgusting all the time and they basically live in a 'hostile' environment like that for all their life (yes things have gotten better, but definitely far from achieving actual acceptance) and YOU make yourself feel like the victim because some people don't like it when you call gay people disgusting all the time. Of course you don't like being called a bigot or a homophobe. Noone likes being associated with negative terms by 'public opinion'. It creates an oppressive atmosphere and if you feel like the majority out there is not on your side it can certainly be depressing.

Guess what, that's how gay people feel everytime someone calls them disgusting. It's not about whatever mental gymnastics you do to tell yourself that disgusting is not a mean, negative, demaning word. Is it really that hard to see that living in a world where people call you disgusting all the time would not be nice, pleasant experience and could maybe even affect you psychologically in very negative ways? It seems like common sense to me. It doesn't matter whether you classify it as moral or not, it's always gonna be hurtful when people call you disgusting and even more so when people make it seem like the most natural thing to do/consensus to have ('I'm straight so of course anything gay disgusts me!' - a line you will see all the time, even in this particular thread).

The fact that a lot of people still go out of their way to use that terminology instead of voicing their preferences in a more neutral way makes it hard to belief that they don't have anything against gay people. Or at least they don't give enough shits to think about how they feel for one second, which, if applied to all humans no matter their sexuality, exempts them from being a homophobe with the excuse of just being an asshole in general.

But using the term 'disgusting' a lot always gives this impression that you WANT them to know that you find them or what they do disgusting. Not just that you're not interested in their fetishized media or don't care for the aesthetics of gay porn. But that you actually find them repulsive. It's really easy to voice your preferences in a way that doesn't insult and hurt gay people but so many people like you specifically choose not to and I have to wonder why that is. I can't come up with any reasons that don't make me dislike you so please enlighten me if you have any :/.
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I don't know any yaoi fans who say yuri is gross. I know a lot of yaoi fans who say "EW HETERO" mostly as a joke. But also kinda half serious too. Most yaoi fans I know are also Yuri fans and generally love all homosexual romance in anime. Thank you.

When you say "yaoi is disgusting" it is offensive because you are saying something we like is disgusting. I don't know how that couldn't be offensive to someone. Yaoi fans are actually picked on a lot. Believe it or not, there is actually an entire sect of the Yuri on Ice fanpages that HATES yaoi fangirls and openly expresses this to us that they hate how we "fetishize" sexuality. Well they need to fuck off honestly.

And ONE MORE THING.


I personally just like a lot of perverse anime and manga. A quality drama will draw me in for sure. Personally, doesn't matter the gender of characters I will feel the same. I was attracted to yaoi stories though at first because of the drama that happened in them- which was different than stuff like Inuyasha.
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I think I see the problem you are having in getting people to respect your opinion. If you phrase it "I think this whole genre ( Yaoi ) is gross" It seems like a homophobic generalization because you are casting a wide-net over the whole genre however I think if you instead phrase it " I have just never came across a yaoi that I have been able to like and so far they have repulsed me, it is fine if you like it." then it seems less homophobic and judgmental of people's personal taste and most people will have an easier time respecting your opinion because it sounds less like a massive generalization of the whole genre.

I mean you just come off like a hypocrite as a Yuri fan when you say yaoi is disgusting. haha!

Pro-tip- if you are just asking for recs, just say "no yaoi" no need to over explain yourself.

Anther protip- Don't express too much negative sentiment towards an entire genre like... in their forums and preferably only when asked.
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SkyFullOfStars said:
libertarianmind said:


To be honest the really emotional stuff in No. 6 and Yuri on Ice is way ickier to me than the more sexualized, manservice heavy stuff you find in Free!
If I was forced to pick, I'd rather watch yaoi than shoujo ai, if the yaoi is less romantic and more sexual.
For me, the romantic stuff is way ickier than the sexual stuff

I personally prefer the romantic stuff but that's fine too.

I just don't like it when people mess up the terms and generalize all boyxboy as yaoi.


ehhh I understand why though. It is easier to just type yaoi. I understand the differences between Yaoi, shonen ai and even experienced my fair share of "off label" and bait- oops I mean slash haha. As much as the catch all term for this is BL, I know that people outside the community don't get it.
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Pullman said:
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To be honest, I don't mind Free!
I'm secure enough in my sexuality to watch anime like that, or even anime where they have kind of homoerotic undertones for humor. Free! is funny to be honest.
In fact, a lot of anime I enjoy have gay undertones that are sort of used for humor.
It's the emotional stuff that's icky to me. I'd say there's a big difference between something like Samurai Flamenco and Yuri on Ice.


Well one is a (relationship) drama the other one is... whatever Samurai Flamenco is. Noone can really tell xD.


I KNOW WHAT SAMURAI FLAMENCO IS. :D

BEST ANIME EVER. Also I was so happy with the ending SQUEEEEEEEE. I don't normally buy plushies for characters but I got one for Goto... so cute. Best.
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Jonouchi-Katsuya said:
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Well one is a (relationship) drama the other one is... whatever Samurai Flamenco is. Noone can really tell xD.


I KNOW WHAT SAMURAI FLAMENCO IS. :D

BEST ANIME EVER. Also I was so happy with the ending SQUEEEEEEEE. I don't normally buy plushies for characters but I got one for Goto... so cute. Best.


The ending is the perfect compromise between people who like yaoi and don't lie it. It has them end up togther, but the dude clearly doesn't get the concept of romantic love and has a very childlike perspective of love.
Masayoshi is asexual based on my interpretation, and doesn't have the mental maturity to understand romance
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libertarianmind said:
Jonouchi-Katsuya said:


I KNOW WHAT SAMURAI FLAMENCO IS. :D

BEST ANIME EVER. Also I was so happy with the ending SQUEEEEEEEE. I don't normally buy plushies for characters but I got one for Goto... so cute. Best.


The ending is the perfect compromise between people who like yaoi and don't lie it. It has them end up togther, but the dude clearly doesn't get the concept of romantic love and has a very childlike perspective of love.
Masayoshi is asexual based on my interpretation, and doesn't have the mental maturity to understand romance
oh you must not know there is an after story...
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Most yaoi is disgusting in the same way most yuri is. Filled to the brim with fan service.
There's no content. It's pure titillation from start to finish.

No. 6 was nice though. I liked that.
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Some people don't like it. I used to get offended on behalf of others then I realized I really don't care. Some people are sensitive to different things.
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We're living in a PC era so not liking yaoi/yuri can be considered intolerance.
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Some people don't like it. I used to get offended on behalf of others then I realized I really don't care. Some people are sensitive to different things.


Pretty much this. I was at an anime con with my friend buying bara manga. I didn't even bother to ask about his sexuality cause I just don't care that much... we also took a picture dressed as maids... maybe I should have been a bit more curious tbh lol

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There are different reasons. Some people like Yaoi because they like guys and they don't like Yuri because they don't like girls. (Heterosexual female viewers.) Or vice versa.

Some people don't like kissing or other stuff (and are okay with sex). Personally I don't like in real life if people do exaggerated and noisy kissing.

Some people just don't like the guys in Yaoi and prefer real guys. Personally I'm fine with real guys and if it is hardcore (like those Naked Kombat website) but I don't like Bishounen and soft stuff like kissing.

Some people might just be annoyed if something happens in a normal anime/plot and seems forced - just to appeal to certain types of fans and get them to watch/buy the anime. Cause "forced" stuff is often bad and makes the plot feel worse. (This also can happen for heterosexual romances.)

Doesn't mean you automatically are homophobic. You just don't get turned on ... are neutral ... or even dislike certain stuff (or think it's disgusting). If you tolerate it - as long as you don't need to see it - then it's fine.

If you think it is bad already to not want to see something ... well then people that don't want to watch others having sex including scat stuff would be bad guys as well - for example.
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SkyFullOfStars said:

BTW, I think something needs clarification in the anime community in general
Yaoi= sexual boyxboy relationship.
Shounen-ai= usually non-sexual, more emotional, literally meaning boy love. boy loves another boy, the end, no sex involved.

SkyFullOfStars said:
I just don't like it when people mess up the terms and generalize all boyxboy as yaoi.


You are the one messing up the terms actually.

"Shōnen'ai", from a manga stand point, is just the name that was given to the guyXguy genre in general during the 70s and early 80s.
That's all there is to it.
Actually, this manga which was considered as "surreptitious pornography for girls" and is full of sex scenes everywhere, and that faced a lot of censorship before its publication, considered as the first erotic shōjo manga. Or this manga which features some explicit scenes like this. They were classified as "shōnen'ai" at the time of their publication. You may consider this as tame from today's standards, but at that time it was the epitome of the eroticism in the shōjo.
The shōnen'ai genre was described as "mixture of tanbi literature and pornography", meaning the eroticism and the sex was full part of it.

It is just that later, during the 80s decade, others words started to appear, like "June", then "Yaoi" and then "Boys' Love". Only those two last words survived as for today. Both "Shōnen'ai" and "June" disappeared.
And the difference between "Yaoi" and "Boys' Love" is that "Yaoi" refers to the dōjinshi works while the BL refers to the commercial works. Outside of that, there is no difference between "Yaoi" and BL.

If "shōnen'ai" disappeared, it is because that word has pedophile connotations (check the japanese wikipedia), the guys who choose to use that word at the origins choose it on purpose, to underline an ambiguity since the protagonists of those old works are usually young boys and not young adults nor adults.
If you want to interpret the word "Shōnen'ai", it means "someone loves a boy", from the story standpoint this "someone" means "another boy", from the manga standpoint this "someone" means "a girl" (the reader), while in the general language, it means "an adult". The authors played on the ambiguity of this "someone".


Anyway, some scholars or critics may still use the word "shōnen'ai", but it is in reference of those old works from the 70s or early 80s, since they are really different to the modern BL works in a lot of ways, most notably they don't have that seme-uke thing that was created by the dōjinshi sphere later on, and they globally have a different look-and-feel.

Japanese people don't create a difference between the intensity of the eroticism of their works. Westerners do.


And in the case you ask, "shōjo-ai" has absolutely no meaning in the manga sphere and never did. It only means a pedophilia toward girls.
The Westerners recreated that word as the mirror of their misuse of "shōnen'ai".


I usually don't mind that people misuse the word "shōnen'ai", but I don't like when someone tries to impose the norm of a part of the Western BL fandom to other people because they decree that this is the good way to describe things while they aren't even compatible to their Japanese counterparts.
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I'd say it's reasonable to judge either of these genres the way we judge every other genre,
like "the plot is bad" or "the characters are bad and offending stereotypes" etc,
but when someone says "oh no I find mlm or wlw disgusting" you're just a homophobic fuck.


so homophobia isn't bigotry nor is it a big deal?
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There is nothing particularly wrong with not enjoying Yaoi or not wanting to look at yaoi, especially the explicit ones. Just like some people don't enjoy hentai.

There is however something particularly wrong when you think Yuri is OK and acceptable and the solo existence of Yaoi elements in shows triggers you. Even they are not used for fanservice!

The most obvious example is SSY, where everyone bitched about Satoru and Shun but was OK with Saki and Maria going lesbians.


Some people are offended that women have sexual fantasies.

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Don't Yaoi and Yuri both exist primarily for sexual gratification and not much else?

I hope the users have fun. It's instant pleasure, nothing deep.

No, yaoi and yuri is only the presence of homosexual relationships. Check out Aoi Hana, Sasameki Koto, and Doukyuusei for stories that offer more that sexual gratification.

How much experience have you had with yaoi/yuri for you to make this claim, if I may ask?


I was always certain they were just labels for hentai that has lebsians/homosexuals.

YuriCarrier said:
TheBrainintheJar said:
Don't Yaoi and Yuri both exist primarily for sexual gratification and not much else?

I hope the users have fun. It's instant pleasure, nothing deep.


No. To me Yuri and Yaoi is just like a heterosexual romance. I'm actually interested in the romantic and emotional aspects of a homosexual relationship. People who just watch Yaoi/Yuri just for sexual gratification really aren't fans of it, they just think guy on guy/girl on girl is hot. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't consider people like that actual fans and of course this just my opinion.


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Anyway, I noticed a lot of yaoi haters come off as homophobic about man on man relationships calling yaoi "weird" and "gross", but call yuri cute.


Yes and they're disgusting hypocrites.

Seriously they're more annoying than those people who dislike yuri and yaoi. I may be homophobic but I'm not a hypocrite unlike those yuri fans who are getting disgusted on yaoi and its fans instead of respecting them.
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libertarianmind said:


so homophobia isn't bigotry nor is it a big deal?


Where tf did you get that? Did you even read my comment?


You said simply finding gay stuff disgusting is homophobic... That's not a big deal.
IF that's all it takes for one to be homophobic, then homophobia is cheapened and not a very poignant criticism

Tennouji said:
Kagami said:

Anyway, I noticed a lot of yaoi haters come off as homophobic about man on man relationships calling yaoi "weird" and "gross", but call yuri cute.


Yes and they're disgusting hypocrites.

Seriously they're more annoying than those people who dislike yuri and yaoi. I may be homophobic but I'm not a hypocrite like those yuri fans who are getting disgusted on yaoi and its fans instead of respecting them.


It's not hypocritical.
It's a matter of taste.
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I only hate it when it's bait to get people into it to watch it.

That's what makes Yuri on Ice so refreshing. Shows that put yuri/yaoi undertones just so they can makes otaku still be able to "be with them" they just have some tendencies without actually being gay or lesbians. Just go through with it instead of anime #5000 where it's just undertone bait.
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It's not hypocritical.
It's a matter of taste.


Therefore it's not being homophobic.

You can have your preference on yuri but you shouldn't forbid yaoi fans liking yaoi by calling yaoi disgusting. I never heard someone a yaoi fan or something that they disgusted on yuri.

And if you claim being homophobic = hating yaoi and other gay stuff yet liking yuri, then yes it's being a hypocrite.



Well, that's the point of my post though.
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Tennouji said:
libertarianmind said:

It's not hypocritical.
It's a matter of taste.


Therefore it's not being homophobic.

You can have your preference on yuri but you shouldn't forbid yaoi fans liking yaoi by calling yaoi disgusting. I never heard someone a yaoi fan or something that they disgusted on yuri.

And if you claim being homophobic = hating yaoi and other gay stuff yet liking yuri, then yes it's being a hypocrite.



Well, that's the point of my post though.


Many of my favorite foods are called "Disgusting". I don't get offended by it.
Maybe I should.
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I think this just boils to preference. I'm a gay female, so of course I prefer female/female romance because...well, my preference. But I'm not opposed to yaoi, I just don't prefer it.

Really, the only problem is if you apply that to real life. If you only like seeing a f/f couple or m/f couples but seeing a m/m couple even hold hands makes you disgusted then that's a problem.

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Personally, I don't care about Yaoi/Yuri anime genres because characters can get different sexual orientations. I can get sensitive if it starts getting very hot but I don't pay attention about this. I mostly enjoy Yuri genres but I accept Yaoi genres. Each person has his/her own tastes and reaction.

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I'm not a huge fan of Shounen-ai/Yaoi but i'll still watch them, Unless it the rapey kind, then I will not watch them at all
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I'm pretty sure I'm a straight female.

I love bromance and m/m romance to death.
I think two guys having sex is hot.
I think two girls having sex is hot too.
But I'm not interested in f/f romance. Will never watch one. But not against it.

I'm a fujoshi and pretty much immune to being called disgusting, scum, fags, trash, retard, stupid, idiot, et cetera, by actual homophobes, wanna-be homophobes, look-at-me-I'm-so-straight people, ignorant people, closed minded people, normal people, just because I love shounen-ai.

Honestly I don't care whether you are a homophobes or not, think yaoi disgusting but yuri is cute or not, I just wish people to be more open minded.

People are free to love what they love, to love who they love regardless of gender. Is it that so hard to accept?

Is liking a homosexual romance make you any less straight?
Is shouting yaoi/yuri disgusting make you any more straight?

People free to think yaoi/yuri or anything really, to be disgusting. What I hate is when they try to shove it down other's throat like it's an absolute fact, when it's really just your own taste. It's fine to think yaoi/yuri or anything really, to be disgusting. But when you think that people who happen to like it are also disgusting... that's where the problem lies.

I said I was immune to people calling me names, and that I don't give a f, but maybe I actually do care, no matter how much I want to ignore.

Homophobes can be homophobes for all I care as long as they keep their opinion to themselves.
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Many of my favorite foods are called "Disgusting". I don't get offended by it.
Maybe I should.
Next time someone disses Lunchables I'm gonna flip

I get the feeling you're trying to be close-minded.

Since when did I say "you should get butthurt"?

Shicchi said:
I just wish people to be more open minded.


This for QFT.


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i don't like seeing dude on dude action. it makes me uncomfortable and says nothing to me. now y'all can watch whatever you want and i don't really care, just don't make it a propaganda and try to push it down other people's throats or cry out when they don't like it.
it is disgusting to me and i'm not homophobic, no matter what your sensitive ass might claim. so there it is.
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Yuri is meant to be cute for guys. Except those yuri with sexual content.
And yaoi is meant to gross mankind and to please those rotten heads girls (fujoshi) to satisfy their fantasies about guys.
Well both are trash anyway, that's why I don't pick any of them, and I wish those shit won't be a common anime in the future. (if there's still a future.)
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Well, saying that something is "Disgusting" is sure to hurt the feelings of people who think it's cute. I'm a bi female and I like both, but if I had to choose one, I think yuri is slightly cuter, but it mostly depends on how interesting the actual plot and story is to make it a good anime.
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if im a straight guy and i dont like yaoi does that mke me a bad person? dunno
i cant stand yaoi (cus im straight) but I'm not entirely against yuri
I dont go out of my way to watch yuri, but i will go out of my way to avoid yaoi. cus im straight.
i guess yuri just doesnt apply to me. like i cant really put myself in their situation. cus i identify as a guy and yuri is about girls so i cant really see myself in their shoes, thus im more removed from the situation.
Maybe Yaoi is just too close to my gender for me to like. or maybe it would be too easy for me to replace a mc in a yaoi with myself. which would make me uncomfortable. because i straight.

in the end just watch what youre comfortable watching. If you like yaoi but not yuri fine. if you like yuri but not yaoi then go ahead and not watch it. At the end of the day anime is just anime. you get a choice to support what you wanna support by watching what you wanna watch. dont let other ppl tell you waht should appeal to you based on what stuff you already like.

OT: ppl are sensitive because LGBT+ rights are now a big thing in society so (1) you have ppl who radically enforce the idea that all love should be loved by everyone. because liberalism. or (2) you have people that genuinely like yaoi/yuri and defend their position (which is fine, ppl are allowed to have opinions yaknow) or (3) you have ppl like me who happen to only enjoy one type but not the other and get doubly bashed for discriminating against certain kinds of love while accepting others, without really knowing why except that one makes us uncomfortable but the other doesnt.

actually who gives a damn im just in it for the uncensored titties. amirite
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Lets just say unless you're one of those people who has a problem with gay people being in the same room with a children, gay people appearing on TV, think you can cure the gay away etc. you are not a problem. Literally no LGBT person cares if you prefer to watch big eyed girls smooching each other and other saying onee-san or men with big hands smooching each other and other saying senpai. Person who has a problem with other person's preference is mostly just another fan who tries to justify their shit taste, that's all. You do you.

And 4/5 times in cases where some one writes "yaoi is disgusting" on anime forum is there to see angry fujoshis or rare fudanshi writing angry essays. Because that shits too funny to witness.

In conclusion. If you're straight male enjoying lesbian porn but thinks touching gay man will give you AIDS you're an asshole and idiot. Same applies to women.

Off topic// Idk how anyone can say yuri is pure because teenage girls are worse than teenage boys tbh. They're one of the cruelest group I know and talk all kind of nasty things together. What pure is there that I don't see?
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I think people just get confused when someone says "I hate yaoi/yuri" and thinks they mean that they hate the idea of lesbianism or gay people, when they usually just mean that they find it awkward and don't like it because it's not to their taste/ sexual preference.
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To me, it's all genre within the medium that is equally important. Maybe not to all, but to specific groups of anime-fans depending on their taste. Knowing that the genre, whatever it may be, holds even the littlest bit of value to whoever it may hold value to, makes it important.

I personally like Yuri, but not really a fan of Yaoi much. Though if I watch an anime that has Yaoi in it, I wouldn't care either.
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