Legal or Illegal streaming?

Drunk_Samurai said:


I pirate and my conscience is completely clear.

MadelinePaints said:
I think the most important thing for people to realize is that streaming illegally doesn't give them rights to complain if their favorite shows are cancelled or never dubbed.

MadelinePaints said:
My usual streaming is illegal, unfortunately. I do share a Netflix account with my sister, but the amount of anime available there is abysmal. I would one day like to have a crunchyroll premium account, because I do want to support the industry. I used to buy a lot of anime DVDs as an alternative. However, recently it's gotten so expensive that it's just too much of an investment. (60 USD for 13 eps! No thanks) I think the most important thing for people to realize is that streaming illegally doesn't give them rights to complain if their favorite shows are cancelled or never dubbed. I always feel guilty when I illegally stream.
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Phendrus said:
I pay for legal streams because I actually like this industry and want to contribute to its continued growth. Also, with apologies to Richard Nixon, I'm not a thief (not since I discovered legal streams, anyway.)

I used to use some illegal sites because they'd been recommended to me by a friend, and I assumed that they were legal (admittedly, the fact that they were free probably should have tipped me off.) After I found out the truth about the sites, I continued using them, rationalizing my actions by saying "Well, I'm not going to spend $60 per season on DVDs before I know if I'm going to like the anime. And, since I'm not going to do that, the creators aren't going to get any money from it anyway, so why shouldn't I enjoy it?"

It was an excuse, but it was one I ran with.

Then I discovered that Funimation, Crunchyroll, and Hulu existed as legal alternatives. Around that time, I also saw a video explaining the damage "innocent" piracy does to the anime industry. I came to my senses and tossed the illegal sites out the window.

I can only think of one time in recent history that I've used means of... questionable legality. Specifically, I watched the last three episodes of Bakemonogatari, because for some baffling reason Crunchyroll doesn't have them, and I'm paying for the dang thing. I always use an ad-blocker on illegitimate sites, though: I'm not going to put any more money into the pockets of pirates than I have to.

/end rant
/steps off high horse

metodologia said:
Everyone admitting they break the law... well i cant argue

MadelinePaints said:
My usual streaming is illegal, unfortunately. I do share a Netflix account with my sister, but the amount of anime available there is abysmal. I would one day like to have a crunchyroll premium account, because I do want to support the industry. I used to buy a lot of anime DVDs as an alternative. However, recently it's gotten so expensive that it's just too much of an investment. (60 USD for 13 eps! No thanks) I think the most important thing for people to realize is that streaming illegally doesn't give them rights to complain if their favorite shows are cancelled or never dubbed. I always feel guilty when I illegally stream.
( ；´Д｀)

Drunk_Samurai said:
They're not going to cancel something because somebody happens to pirate it. There's nothing to feel guilty about anyway.

Drunk_Samurai said:
Copyright infringement is not theft.

Zalis said:
It's gotten expensive "recently"? When was it cheaper, exactly? In the mid-00s, when you'd often pay $30 ($37.09 in 2016$) for single DVDs with 3-5 episodes? The mid-90s, when you'd have to spend $55 ($87.13 in 2016$) for 3-4 episodes on 2 VHS tapes if you wanted both English and Japanese audio? True, some releases by companies like Aniplex USA and PonyCan USA do bring the average prices up these days, but with the right sales and priced-down re-releases, there's no shortage of cheap options.

And it's not like you have to have a paid subscription to watch anime on CR, unlike Netflix...

Phendrus said:

And this, my friends, is an example of what we call the "free rider problem."


I'm aware that the US government makes a distinction. To be frank, I couldn't care less.

If you use someone else's private resources without either having permission or providing just compensation, you're a thief. It doesn't matter if you're illegally streaming anime or sneaking into a movie theater. You are benefiting from the goods in question against the owner's will, simultaneously denying them a portion of the revenue they should have rightfully received. That makes you a thief.

MadelinePaints said:


Ah, I'm a noob, I totes didn't know you could watch crunchy roll without a subscription. Rip. I remember buying the complete season of Lovelace on dvd new for $13 at Best Buy, season 1 and 2 of the original Full Metal Alchesmist for $30 each at target, the dvd series of Magic Kinight Rayearth (season 1 and 2 included) for $30 at Best Buy also. Maybe it's just blu-rays that are expensive now-a-days, new technology and all. I was just looking at the Parasyte blu-ray on Amazon the other day. they had the series split into 2 collection, 13 eps each, for $40 a piece. I guess that's not too bad. it's just weird that they split it. They did the same thing for Artack on Titan. Cost depends on the series too, funimation has DVD collections for a reasonable price. I bought season 2 of kaleido star for $25, I think. I remember the Inyuasha DVDs back in the day were like $100 new. I probs sound like an old lady complaining about price. And I probably forgot to take inflation into account, so everything I said is inaccurate.

Also this is the last time I post anything on a forum. I keep getting trolled. Probably my own fault for even having an opinion. Rip
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Drunk_Samurai said:


There is no "problem". You're just thinking there is one. Also that isn't just the U.S. government's "distinction. It's the dictionary definition too. In order for a theft to have occurred then something has to have been taken. Only a copy is made when piracy happens therefore the original is still there and there is no theft.



Well there will always be expensive releases but there's nothing that can be done about that. The only issue with Crunchyroll are the translations but since there are no alternatives most of the time that doesn't matter anymore. You weren't being trolled also. I don't know why you think you were.

MadelinePaints said:


Ah, the trolling was in reference to another response I got. Someone replied to my post with a link to the Wikipedia page about "free speech." I probably should have specified, my bad. Really, this conversation has been fun. And I learned a lot (I seriously still am laughing at myself about not knowing about crunchyroll being free).
☆彡
Even though there are expensive releases it's not unreasonable if is an amazing series. Shouganai. Yeah, anyways, rant over. 8)

j0x said:
download master race

Someone32 said:
I used to use Kissanime, and I used it for 28/65 anime on my list, then I finally figured out that it was illegal so now I check if a site is illegal before using it.I use Hulu to watch my stuff now. Why use this compared to illegal sites.
1. Malware
2.Morality
3.Safety
and
though they do have a bigger selection that means nothing if you can't put the episodes in order nor have decent quality to watch your shows. I rather just watch commercial then be confused by the misnumbering of episodes.

OtakuDaikun said:
Bad people bad! Filthy little pirates.

Someone32 said:
Really? Can ad blocker make the quality better and put the episodes in the correct order? Yes, morality is subjective, I have a different opinion from you, your point?Besides, ad blockers are illegal, so because of my subjective morality, I refuse to use them.