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Jan 7, 11:32 AM

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Keeping in mind that this movie is different from other Ghibli movies (with purposely more symbolism in random scenes and unanswered questions to make you think/expand one's imagination) helped me better appreciate the film for what it is.

That said, there were some observations that I made which I hoped to discuss about.

(1) Mahito's deadpan face
Some viewers felt that Mahito was too emotionless to connect with as a character. But I think he was purposely made to be that way. A young boy in the 1940s, undergoing traumatic circumstances, but needing to obey his father and adapt to changes quickly without much time to feel/process his emotions (and certainly no therapy then) What else can you do but to harden your heart, have a deadpan face and a deadpan voice? So in that sense, it's pretty realistic. Some say he didn't stand out as a character as he didn't do anything heroic. I think that's the point as well, we are too used to having heroes in movies that we forget that even though we might be the protagonist of our own life, we may not be the most heroic either, and in that way, Mahito is relatable. Basically life still happens around you even if you don't do anything.

(2) When your Aunt becomes your stepmother
Some viewers think this is gross/weird but it's actually not uncommon in certain cultures and periods of time. The family inheritance and finances are kept within the same people this way and hence there are practical reasons. But of course, it strikes a wrong chord for us modern people today. Some also say it was weird that Mahito couldn't go into the delivery room of his own stepmother. I'm actually not surprised because in certain cultures there are a whole lot of superstitions, rituals and taboos around birthing.

(3) The pacing of the movie was slow at some parts, with an abrupt ending.
I also think that was the point and done on purpose.
The reason why the movie is slow is because they spent time developing certain scenes/scenery without much dialogue/progression in the story. It's similar to when you go on vacation and just take time to stare out into the distance taking in your surroundings, taking time to breathe, watching mundane things, feeling zen. I think that was the intended vibe. For the abrupt ending, I was also caught by surprise, but then I asked myself, how would I have ended the story differently? Leaving a movie open-ended leaves more room for imagination, interpretation amd thinking. Having unanswered questions causes a sense of dissonance in the viewer that causes them to continue to ruminate / discuss about the film even after it is over. Some say they should have shown a happy ending for closure, but I feel that it could have been lame to do so, because even though Mahito came to terms with Natsuko being his mother, that doesn't mean that everything will be happy ever after for him thereafter. Some say it's weird that he changed his mind about Natsuko, but on closer inspection, he was gradually changed because of the book he read, after seeing his (younger version) mother accept her fate, after striving to find & bring Natsuko back. Even so, the most he did was to call her "Natsuko Mother", he wasn't super chummy with her because they still had a long way to go in their relationship. Are we too used to getting happy endings for our own closure that we forget most people don't actually get a happy ever after and that's just part of life? We can only imagine what happened to Mahito and how he felt after this entire adventure.
What we do know is that the family was moving elsewhere for a new beginning, which brings the possibility of more adventures together.

(4) It's too deep for children (or even adults) to understand.
I think Miyazaki made this movie for his own sake. He knows that if he wants to make a movie the way he really wants to, it's now or never (given his age). I don't think he made this movie with as much intention to entertain his audience as to express himself and leave a piece of himself in the movie as an artwork. Afterall, he has been making movies for the sake of his audience for so many years. Creators sometimes feel pressured to give the audience what they want that they push back what they really want to make until it's too late. I guess it comes to a point when they just say "You know what? This is me. Take it or leave it." So this might just be the very essence of Miyazaki that we are seeing, unbridled by expectations, formats or common sense.

TLDR: It's best to calibrate your expectations for the movie in order to appreciate it.
@Hoshi14 Beautifully said!! I feel like everyone needs to read this.
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Jan 7, 3:14 PM
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A really great movie, but why there is so much bird poop?
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Decent film, was confusing at the start but still enjoyed it
Jan 16, 6:04 PM
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Ok, I don't wanna be that guy but this movie's writing was simply terrible.

With other Ghibli films you could sort of excuse the outlandish characters that come out of nowhere due to the fantasy setting or the story itself. However in this case for a big chunck of it you can't really tell where it's going. It feels as if every single scene needed more context or a reference to when did a character said something. Relationships vary very rapidly, some elements pop up and then disappear just to never be seen again. The heron plays the part of being a bird and being angry at the mc because... reasons? Also, he just decided to scar himself due to something related to the evil within or whatever dumb symbolism Miyazaki wanted to throw in there for good measure. Tbh I thought he just wanted to stay out of school because he was being bullied but that was never brought up again except for the father who seems to be the only sane person in this cast.

You could have great animation, production, shots and yadda yadda yadda, but with this kind of storytelling and pacing I caught myself dozing off 4 times (yes, I counted them). I guess I might have not get it due to that but after discussing with the people I went with about it they seemed to have felt similar about the whole ordeal. What a disappointment.
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Jan 19, 6:43 AM
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Old man Miyazaki returns to prove again that hand drawn animation still has a place in event cinema.
Jan 20, 2:39 PM

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A beautiful experience, also unleashing my imagination and a cascade of theories. It felt similar to assembling a dynamic puzzle with many layers.
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Jan 22, 11:01 PM

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I was waiting to see this movie, and even more when it was confirmed in theaters.
I liked it a lot, the story was good and the animation is AMAZING.
Although yes, it's a bit confusing in a way xd
Mostly the final part, but it was still very good.

Jan 24, 2:35 AM

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Certainly not the best Miyazaki movie, nothing compares to Howl and Mononoke I guess...
For most parts of the movie I was wondering if a certain thing symbolizes something or if it's just a plothole because someone didn't have better idea.
Most of Ghibli movies has this weird creatures, weird wolrd, but it was like lot werdier than usually xD I wondered if Miyazaki was high because pelicans, heron-man with extremally weird nose, parrots who eat people, frogs covering your whole body...How does it even sound lol.
Animation and music is beautifull and so aesthetic as always.
I think Miyazaki is the only one who understands what this movie means, and this is partly beautifull, but partly it doesn't make sense. So I guess 7/10.

Jan 25, 6:29 AM

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My second favorite Miyazaki and Ghibli film after Spirited Away. Didn't watch it with the purpose of following and understanding a grounded unambiguous plot; I watched it with the purpose of getting a surreal oneiric-like experience and that's exactly what I got.
Feb 4, 12:52 PM
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It looks very beautiful (especially the painted backgrounds), it was very fun to watch and strange and confusing, but I got nothing of the story while watching it. Still really fun tho. First Ghibli movie.
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This is a movie that is very much mirrors the experience I have when I read Goethe's Faust; a movie that def. requires an indepth knowledge of classic art and literature if you want to make sense of it all as just like with Faust the second part goes off the deep end into a very clandestine mix of several layers of symbolism and references to all kinds of classical works.

I expected all the wild references to Symbolism, Impressionism and a romantic Naturalism of the first half after the starting minutes that reminded me a bit of Cezanne, with the heron giving me some ETA Hoffmann vibes. However, I did not expect Miyazaki's wild multiverse isekai ride with monarchist (or proto fascist?) cannibal budgies in the second half. The entire Island of the Dead bit was a reference to Böcklin's famous 19th century painting and sure enough, there were allusions to Dali later. Also a good chunk of Dante's Divine Comedy and it makes sense, really: The main themes of life and death and the main question of how you want to live your life while coping with death are the main topics and the movie is obviously a big introspective about it as it's mainly Miyazaki asking himself those questions.

This movie filters a lot of people who lack this knowledge and I am also not sure if the vast layers of symbolism in the second half successfully merge into a cohesive whole - this requires more viewings and I only saw this movie in cinema yesterday. Miyazaki's portrayal of the war (or rather: lack thereof) in the movie might draw some criticism as well given that the perpetually underrated Porco Rosso was released over a quarter century ago, but this was not the main focus here - I understand the sentiment, though. However, it is def. a very ambitious and interesting movie and while I can understand how people might view it as pretentious; I am glad its not as "basic" as The Wind Rises. It's a good work to round out the oeuvre of one of the most prolific anime directors.

Now watch it lose to Elemental at the Oscars...
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Steel Ball Run anime when?
Feb 18, 6:57 PM

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Holy shit this was FREAKING AMAZING.

Anyone giving this less than an 8 is crazy. This was easily one of Miyzaki's best movies, and personally it was my favourite story-wise. I was surprised to find out that the movie wasn't actually based on a book like I was led to believe, because everything about it just screams the western children's fantasy literature that Miyzaki himself is so acquainted with. Miyazaki is ending his career (maybe for real this time) with a true masterpiece.

BTW I had absolutely no idea what this movie was about, didn't read a synopsis nor watched any trailers, other than being mistakenly led to believe that this would be a faithful adaptation of "How Do You Live?" (hence my surprise), which according to my research, was a very realistic and down to earth book. So imagine my surprise when the heron started fucking talking.
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This movie felt a mix of many Ghibli movies. This is good and bad. Good because was interesting, and bad because there is some points that where too interesting to be constraint in just one movie.
Feb 22, 5:19 PM

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Did Hayao suffered from attention deficit due old age?
First half had me (and most of the room) very excited, it seemed like it could be if not his best movie at least the most interesting. The characters and situation seemed somewhat unconventional coming from him, but them second half happened, and the movie was over!

It's like two stories that don't related and both are left without conclusion!
Feb 25, 11:43 AM

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High production values but doesn't have any super spectacular scenes. Has a forgettable soundtrack which is a first for a Miyazaki movie. I was surprised to learn that Joe Hiashi actually composed the music. :( Besides the score, the movie's biggest weakness is that - like Howl's Moving Castle - the last act/climax isn't properly built up and comes out of nowhere. "You mustn't reject the real world! You must be a good creator!" comes out of the literal abyss. There are a couple tearful goodbye scenes that has no impact either because there was no buildup. The characters only knew each other for 10 to 15 minutes. Max. A lot of stuff that was set up earlier in the movie does not matriculate, such as the subplot about the stepdad running a factory, or the balloon creatures being souls. The movie also has a strange final scene. It overall feels like there was at least 10-20 minutes, maybe half an hour of more story that was supposed to be here. While I understood the characters, the movie failed to get me invested in them.

However, the movie is good if you want a zany fantasy adventure film like Spirited Away or Howl's Moving Castle. English dub is decent. If you want to go to the theaters than watch this. There's a reason why this movie is still in theaters while shit like Aquaman 2 doesn't even last 2 months before being pulled and going onto a streaming service.
Feb 26, 4:36 PM

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i think about the scene with the dying pelican a lot
out of everything in this movie, every human interaction, every set-piece, that scene stood out to me as the most human and down to earth
just a thought
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Feb 28, 11:22 AM

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Very good fantasy movie.

8/10
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Need to think about this one more. A while more.



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This is a movie that is very much mirrors the experience I have when I read Goethe's Faust; a movie that def. requires an indepth knowledge of classic art and literature if you want to make sense of it all as just like with Faust the second part goes off the deep end into a very clandestine mix of several layers of symbolism and references to all kinds of classical works.

I expected all the wild references to Symbolism, Impressionism and a romantic Naturalism of the first half after the starting minutes that reminded me a bit of Cezanne, with the heron giving me some ETA Hoffmann vibes. However, I did not expect Miyazaki's wild multiverse isekai ride with monarchist (or proto fascist?) cannibal budgies in the second half. The entire Island of the Dead bit was a reference to Böcklin's famous 19th century painting and sure enough, there were allusions to Dali later. Also a good chunk of Dante's Divine Comedy and it makes sense, really: The main themes of life and death and the main question of how you want to live your life while coping with death are the main topics and the movie is obviously a big introspective about it as it's mainly Miyazaki asking himself those questions.

This movie filters a lot of people who lack this knowledge and I am also not sure if the vast layers of symbolism in the second half successfully merge into a cohesive whole - this requires more viewings and I only saw this movie in cinema yesterday. Miyazaki's portrayal of the war (or rather: lack thereof) in the movie might draw some criticism as well given that the perpetually underrated Porco Rosso was released over a quarter century ago, but this was not the main focus here - I understand the sentiment, though. However, it is def. a very ambitious and interesting movie and while I can understand how people might view it as pretentious; I am glad its not as "basic" as The Wind Rises. It's a good work to round out the oeuvre of one of the most prolific anime directors.

Now watch it lose to Elemental at the Oscars...
Nidhoeggr said:
Now watch it lose to Elemental at the Oscars...

It won the Oscar actually.

2nd anime film to win in this category

https://twitter.com/TheAcademy/status/1766972162781462991
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Really good movie to look at. Beautiful animation
As for the story it's fine.
7/10
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i wasn't sure if i understood it...
May 1, 8:38 AM

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Might be Miyazaki's best looking film, but definitely not his best on a narrative level. It's too scattershot and meandering to be as satisfying as Spirited Away or Princess Mononoke.

That's not to say it doesn't work though. It totally does, and feels like Miyazaki ruminating on his death and legacy.
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What a worthy sendoff for Miyazaki. Not for everyone and will require multiple viewings
May 29, 10:58 PM
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yep those are the eyes in the poster
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what was the point of this movie? what was the point of anything? the parakeets were funny.
I kinda feel this is about miyazaki trying to find somebody with a strong vision who could lead ghibli but nobody is up to the task.
the parakeets would be the fans then? who can't create, they just eat up whatever ghibli produces but have a strong idea what a movie by ghibli should be.
mc must be a live action director then, who has what it takes but chose reality instead of building magical fantasy anime worlds. this is an uneducated guess.
I don't care about miyazaki/ghibli enough that I'd keep thinking about it. the movie didn't interest me much, it didn't offend me either. it looked good mostly, and I don't get it. end of story.
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Finally watched this and man it's really good.
Jun 28, 12:17 PM
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Great animation style
Great imagination, full of fantasy
Interesting characters
Alice in Wonderland could be one of the points!
Bad evolve
Bland script

5/10

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Reflecting on legacy, stresses the importance of change<->end relation as something new will emerge and the old will slowly disappear. This stays true for people, traditions, institutions and even the world itself.
Tradition is shown as a burden, even when the taboo is broken the change is accepted against the wishes of an outdated old king.
In the end, the kingdom of dreams and madness crumbles to a memory which one day will also be forgotten.
A strong note to leave on for sure
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Perhaps one of the most irrelevant and misleading English titles of a Ghibili movie. The so called Heron does not play the role the title would suggest. Seems the localizers saw the Japanese poster without having seen the movie or it wasnt available to them and decided "cool poster, lets name it The Boy and the Heron".

This seems to be Miyazaki's final movie and if you consider his age he did the best he could. Takahata's last movie was better but when it was released he was 78, while Miyazaki was 82 by the time of this movie's release.
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spiderverse 2 was robbed as expected.
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spiderverse 2 was robbed as expected.
@MichaelJackson Just finished watching it and that was my first thought. Great animation but the plots pacing is way off in that 2nd half, this is no way near what Spiderverse accomplished and only reason it won the Oscar was due to it being a career award for Miyazaki.
Jul 6, 6:56 PM
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Amazing film, as expected of Hayao miyazaki last film(for now). Joe hisaishi did a amazing job on the score. After finish this movie, it movie felt a combination of a the movies he has directed, Spirited away + Howl moving castle + The Cat returns. I also felt like Mahito was just a copy in paste Miyazaki early year, considering when Miyazaki was little the atomic bomb just hit hiroshima and nagasaki and he had to move to the countryside, which the similar to the movie.
Overall, 8.65/10.
Score- 10/10
Story- 7.5/10(felt kinda messy)
Background art- 10/10
Voice acting- 10/10(Both dub and sub)
Characters- 8/10
Pacing- 8/10
Animation- 10/10
Jul 7, 11:57 AM

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Nothing much to say. As always Ghibli movies didn't disappoint. 9/10
Jul 8, 7:50 PM

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It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was a sincere work worthy of Grandpa Miyazaki, a beautiful story.
Jul 9, 11:52 AM
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Honestly have no clue how to feel about this. I still enjoyed it everything looked great and the music was amazing but I don't have much else to say about this. Maybe I would had a better experience if I watched it in theaters instead of on a laptop. The world was still interesting despite the story overall being lackluster and too slow at times while also too abrupt and fast at the end. I also don't know about the father marrying his wife younger sister? I guess there are different values and times, it just a thing that I was wondering about the whole time, like what? Anyways like most Ghibli films, they're all great turn your brains off and just enjoy films. See the beautiful animation, explore the interesting world, and enjoy the great music. 7/10
This has furthered my dislike/fear of birds. Though I like the dynamic between the bird man goblin thing and the boy. Glad the other kid was born safely. Though I still can't help but laugh when the family hugs covered in bird shit lol. While all Ghibli films feel lacking something to me this one was probably the most.
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For how hyped this movie was it was fairly underwhelming even for a Ghibli movie, dare I say mid. Pretty and smooth animation can only get you so far while the story makes no coherent sense. As some people already stated, Spiderverse 2 got robbed an Oscar win for this lackluster Ghibli edition.
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At one point, I started thinking the twist was going to be that Mahito was actually a Warawara and the movie was showing his journey towards entering and being born into the real world
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People do not give this film an opportunity even.
It's a fairly abstract, heady film, with uncomfortable underlying themes. It's no Howl's. But you can appreciate what's there, even if it's not for you in the end.

10/10
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So it was an interdimensional movie where his grandfather got involved to maintain the stabilization and search for the successor that can replace him.
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I greatly enjoyed the animation, music, and overall design. However, I was slightly disappointed with the story. It felt as though it was based on a novel or manga, and that much of the content was skipped in order to fit the adaptation into an anime movie.

While the experience was overall enjoyable, the story itself was not as strong.
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I greatly enjoyed the animation, music, and overall design. However, I was slightly disappointed with the story. It felt as though it was based on a novel or manga, and that much of the content was skipped in order to fit the adaptation into an anime movie.

While the experience was overall enjoyable, the story itself was not as strong.
@JustMaya

The story is symbolical and abstract on purpose. It was never meant to be a regular movie with a begininig, a middle and an end.
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@JustMaya

The story is symbolical and abstract on purpose. It was never meant to be a regular movie with a begininig, a middle and an end.
@JoeChip Yeah, I get that, but for some reason, it just didn't work for me with this movie. Maybe a rewatch in the future would help me appreciate it more.
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The movie was great and beautiful to look at.
The story itself this time well... not perfect but still very engaging
9/10
Trying to watch all available anime series so you won't have to anymore, the list of anime I can recommend is still in progress, tho
Sep 17, 9:29 AM
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Just saw being few minutes what a work what animations from 0 to 2.36 minutes wow
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this was a... hard watch. I enjoyed the beautiful and vivid scenes but it was hard to stay focused and connected to the plot.
thinking that this is his last film, I guess I can understand why he wanted to tell this story but man, the rebound with the sister was insane.
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It wasn’t any good. 6/10
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Finally managed to watch thanks to Netflix. And it was amazing, I nearly cry during the end of the other world.

So much haters out here, this movie was a masterpiece as most others Ghibli movies.
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Only good thing is the OST, the visuals, man ghibli is stuck in the 80s lol and the voice acting? boring and dull, no emotions at all.

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This is a movie that is very much mirrors the experience I have when I read Goethe's Faust; a movie that def. requires an indepth knowledge of classic art and literature if you want to make sense of it all as just like with Faust the second part goes off the deep end into a very clandestine mix of several layers of symbolism and references to all kinds of classical works.

I expected all the wild references to Symbolism, Impressionism and a romantic Naturalism of the first half after the starting minutes that reminded me a bit of Cezanne, with the heron giving me some ETA Hoffmann vibes. However, I did not expect Miyazaki's wild multiverse isekai ride with monarchist (or proto fascist?) cannibal budgies in the second half. The entire Island of the Dead bit was a reference to Böcklin's famous 19th century painting and sure enough, there were allusions to Dali later. Also a good chunk of Dante's Divine Comedy and it makes sense, really: The main themes of life and death and the main question of how you want to live your life while coping with death are the main topics and the movie is obviously a big introspective about it as it's mainly Miyazaki asking himself those questions.

This movie filters a lot of people who lack this knowledge and I am also not sure if the vast layers of symbolism in the second half successfully merge into a cohesive whole - this requires more viewings and I only saw this movie in cinema yesterday. Miyazaki's portrayal of the war (or rather: lack thereof) in the movie might draw some criticism as well given that the perpetually underrated Porco Rosso was released over a quarter century ago, but this was not the main focus here - I understand the sentiment, though. However, it is def. a very ambitious and interesting movie and while I can understand how people might view it as pretentious; I am glad its not as "basic" as The Wind Rises. It's a good work to round out the oeuvre of one of the most prolific anime directors.

Now watch it lose to Elemental at the Oscars...
@Nidhoeggr

You are talking as if you made the movie with that talk of certainty about allusions and symbolisms and what they mean and originate from instead of possible connections and implications that are open to interpretation without a definite explanation, which they actually are, and of course hinting how smart you are for recognizing them with your vast knowledge about literature and art. And you were wrong about Oscars as well.

PS Badgies were not cannibalistic so I dontt know where you got to that conclusion.
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