| Back in the days American media had balls and would be pushing boundaries. But nowadays everything they make now are just safe. Meanwhile the anime industry is still putting spice inside their content. Are Western culture of today just morally bankrupt? |
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| Gotta pay vastly amount of money for actresses to get naked and shit like that in front of a camera instead of drawing them. Also, they can't cross a line since people nowadays are weak minded and get offended by the smallest possible thing. |
| "You only realize the real value of something you discarded when you get the chance to pick it up again." - Rudeus Greyrat |
| I'm guessing Hollywood often prioritizes money, which leads to safer and more formulaic content that tries to avoid risks somehow. Gonna have to appease the audiences and avoid backlash, I guess. Or sometimes the higher ups don't know wtf they're doing. Just look at what they did to the Minecraft movie, it's a live action, ffs, with Jack Black, huh...? |
| Because Western people get offended so easily these days, they try to cancel everything that doesn't meet their diversity and shit, like sometimes ago they tried to cancel some anime because some of the characters have unrealistic body sizes. |
| Doesn't sound like you want a debate here, just validation from other users. Also I'm sure plenty of things are being made today that would never get made in the past. But I don't know if, for instance, having stories discuss gender nonconforming identities through body horror metaphors is the type of boldness you want to see and identify as "pushing boundaries". |
| Yeah dude we need live-action hollywood lolicon shit so that their industry gets (literally) burned down by people who already want to burn it down because of Jeffery Epstein's ties to Hollywood. Do you not remember Cuties and the shitfest that was??? Although if we're talking in terms of western animation then yeah they seriously need to git gud. I'm still waiting for the 6th installment of Ben 10 and I want it to be better than even anime. |
Lentus1Sep 25, 2024 7:45 AM
| Hollywood taking risks? The more money is getting invested, the more the people providing that money demand guarantees for their investment. That's why nothing like Zombieland Saga would be made as a big-budget Hololywood film. (What on Earth are that scene, or things like "actresses to get naked" supposed to have to do with risk-taking?) |
| I don't think Hollywood is playing it safe...it invests in those same themes and artists who have proven for years to be very unprofitable. Hollywood is in suicide mode, |
| Because the audience would cancel Hollywood to bankruptcy if they started to produce shows with cute & sexy teenage girls like in most anime. |
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| Hollywood takes a lot of risks. They just have agendas to push so everything they produce is miserable. Besides, it's not like anime takes many risks either. Most shows these days are the same recycled trash. |
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| this was the only good thing about Star Wars |
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| Money controls everything. It has nothing to do with "people getting offended" or "The woke mob" as terminally online losers might make you think. Studios have become so risk adverse because they want as much money as possible and remakes, reboots, and sequels tend to be generally safe bets to make a lot of money while original IP are a gamble. Everyone online says they want original movies, yet when a new original movie not part of a major franchise or attached to a famous director comes out, it isn't often to see these movies top or make that much money. The studio execs dont see movies as art, they just see it as just another product and don't want to sell something they can't guarantee success with, especially with how expensive movie production is these days |
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| watch something that isn't a blockbuster and you'll see that this isn't the case. unless, "spice" = incest... in which case, no thank you |
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| Anime also decided to stop taking risks around 2016, and it caused the medium to decline in quality, because they decided to appeal to Westerners. It wasn't until 2023 when Onimai aired that anime studios were encouraged to take risks again. However, anime still doesn't take as many risks as they used to. |
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Anime also decided to stop taking risks around 2016, and it caused the medium to decline in quality, because they decided to appeal to Westerners. It wasn't until 2023 when Onimai aired that anime studios were encouraged to take risks again. However, anime still doesn't take as many risks as they used to.
| @ForgotEyeWasHere Wasn't Redo of Healer 2021 more risky and successful than Onimai? Why didn't it encourage producers to take risks again earlier? |
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| The budget for all major films have sky rocket: between the high salaries for the actors, the directors, etc. Then it is duplicated with the amount of money they have to put on marketing to let the people know the film even exists. Pair that with people with over sized ego and you got an industry that only follows whatever seems popular, regardless of the morality, fun or topic, as long as it is a guaranteed success (or at least positive investment), they will do it. Japan has an strong manga/light novel industry that can (and will) make just a lone writer become famous because it has a great idea and a hit. Down the line someone would want to adapt it to an anime, and thankfully, they usually make fateful adaptations of anime (in contrast to western adaptation that is usually just a cover to guarantee some views on someone else script. Example: Halo, the TV Show) |
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@ForgotEyeWasHere Wasn't Redo of Healer 2021 more risky and successful than Onimai? Why didn't it encourage producers to take risks again earlier?
| @Zarutaku There were some anime that did take risks from 2016-2022, but they seemed to be only one-off things. Redo of Healer didn't get popular enough to get anime to take risks again, as it was nowhere near as popular as Onimai. |
| Because the directors are too afraid of hurting snowflakes |
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Money controls everything. It has nothing to do with "people getting offended" or "The woke mob" as terminally online losers might make you think. Studios have become so risk adverse because they want as much money as possible and remakes, reboots, and sequels tend to be generally safe bets to make a lot of money while original IP are a gamble. Everyone online says they want original movies, yet when a new original movie not part of a major franchise or attached to a famous director comes out, it isn't often to see these movies top or make that much money. The studio execs dont see movies as art, they just see it as just another product and don't want to sell something they can't guarantee success with, especially with how expensive movie production is these days
| @LSSJ_Gaming Money very clearly isn't the only motivation, otherwise there would not be so many flops, where he directors insult the audience for not watching the movie. And decently well produced low budget movies aren't even risky, because they need a very low viewer count to make their costs back, and even ifn they flop they didn't cost much. |
| Hollywood is now partially funded through tax money by pushing dei. Anime largely did not make that link completely so anime must bank on actual success and merch sales. Tax funded media does not have to sell. Thisis what makes anime so different from most media. Lack of gov intervention to push messages on the people. |
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Spunkert said: Why doesn't Hollywood take risk anymore unlike the anime industry? You do realize the Anime industry started to stop taking just as many risks as Hollywood did, where it's even around the same time frame. Where Hollywood started to stop making mainstream exploitation films around the turn of the century. Where by 2010 they are basically almost non-existent when it comes to blockbuster films. The Anime industry started mostly only producing material to adopted based on the sales of source material and basically stopped producing a majority of the most edgy shit that use to persistently get produced when it came to this medium. This became almost a complete norm to the industry by 2010. The days of seeing stuff get produced like "Shuten Douji", "Urotsukidoji", "Mad★Bull 34", "Violence Jack", "Wicked City", "Crying Freeman", "Otenki Oneesan", and even something as beyond mainstream and ultra edgy as "Akira", is long gone and done... Even when gore, extreme ultraviolence, or even graphic rape is a feature in some random modern Anime, it's extremely rare for it to be as graphic as is use to be before the turn of the century. I would even go as far as to say I would be extremely shocked if suddenly something modern and new was produced these days that would be on the obnoxious panty fanservice level of an "Agent AIKa" or even a "Najica Blitz Tactics" type Anime franchise. Where even stuff like "U-Jin Brand" and "Guy: Double Target" use to not always be seen as Hentai. Because this shit was produced before Hentai was even remotely coined in the West. Where instead of just simply being not rated or just either an R+ rating, a platform like MAL slaps it with an "Rx - Hentai" rating or Hentai tag simply because it has sex and nudity in it. Where both of these Anime titles that I have mentioned, regardless if they have sex and graphic nudity in them, are extremely offensive in their own right. Featuring extremely misogynistic and dated representations of the opposite sex from a pre-millennial male perspective. Something that would never be found or ever produced in any modern Anime. |
ColourWheelSep 25, 2024 12:36 PM
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| What makes you think the anime industry takes any real "risks"? I don't think they do. Due to political correctness, obviously. |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
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@ForgotEyeWasHere Wasn't Redo of Healer 2021 more risky and successful than Onimai? Why didn't it encourage producers to take risks again earlier?
Zarutaku said: Wasn't Redo of Healer 2021 more risky and successful than Onimai? Sorry, a misogynistic power-fantasy isekai risky? On what planet? I'm not sure what's supposed to be so risky about Onimai either, but isekai are the dominant genre in anime now, and have been for quite a while. |
| I disagree. If you check movies that are currently in cinemas, most of them are risky. They are produced, but people don't watch them. Besides anime are mostly based on popular manga, so anime producers take much less risk. |
Danielf6Sep 25, 2024 3:08 PM
| It's much easier to take "risk" by adapting a novel/manga that has already proven itself. |
| @animegamer245 There was still lots of ecchi and fanservice in 2015. Even mainstream stuff like Sword Art Online scared the tourists off. Then, in 2016, Boku no Hero Academia started airing, which the manga creator outright said was mean to be appeal to the West. This caused anime studios to do everything to appeal to the West, instead of Japan, and it caused the medium to suffer. Then, in 2023, Onimai took many risks when it aired, and it influenced some people to start taking risks in anime again, and to not forcefully appeal to only the West. However, anime still doesn't take risks the way it used to. We need Onimai Season 2, and other risky anime like Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete. Just another note for people and companies who license risky anime over here: GET GOOD TRANSLATORS, AND DO NOT LET KATRINA OR ANY OF HER FRIENDS NEAR ANY ANIME EVERY AGAIN! You will make more money this way! |
| Considering that we've been inundated with almost nothing but power fantasy and isekai for over a decade, I think it's clear that the anime industry is largely the smallest risk taker around. But hey, don't let those woke facts deter you. You free thinkers keep pushing your whacky agenda. |
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| Are you sure animu industry does stick its ass out of the rabbit hole? |
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| This is a discussion of Hollywood media and not anime... The reason why Hollywood don't take risk has nothing to do with the fact that anime take the risk |
| Um....First, I think you mean "creatively" not "morally". Second, have you not seen all the complaints about the samey feeling anime coming out lately? Third, and most importantly, do you not get that this is a business? As much as it may suck, it makes more sense for them to bank on the things that are more likely to make them money. That's why the keep cramming the same celebrities into things, including animated movies. For fucks sake, please, I'm begging the universe here, please stop people from seeing movies with Awkwafina. She can't act. She can't voice act. But they keep pushing her. Whoever made that woman famous, I curse you and your entire family. |
FanofActionSep 25, 2024 11:21 PM
| I don't understand OP's point. From my perspective the "morally bankrupt" position IS putting spice in your media. |
| MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
| Although media such as movies, TV-shows and video-games are meant to entertain not to lecture you. Hollywood and its ilk have become quite a special case that not requires analysis, but a god damn autopsy. They limited their freedom of expression for poor flimsy reasons. Not allowing a writer, screenwriter, director to have absolute freedom to make their visions realized. A project’s success is based on one’s vision not many. Too many cooks spoil the broth. Hollywood has put regulations when it comes to Academy Awards. This adds in salt to injury. |
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Um....First, I think you mean "creatively" not "morally". Second, have you not seen all the complaints about the samey feeling anime coming out lately? Third, and most importantly, do you not get that this is a business? As much as it may suck, it makes more sense for them to bank on the things that are more likely to make them money. That's why the keep cramming the same celebrities into things, including animated movies.
For fucks sake, please, I'm begging the universe here, please stop people from seeing movies with Awkwafina. She can't act. She can't voice act. But they keep pushing her. Whoever made that woman famous, I curse you and your entire family.
For fucks sake, please, I'm begging the universe here, please stop people from seeing movies with Awkwafina. She can't act. She can't voice act. But they keep pushing her. Whoever made that woman famous, I curse you and your entire family.
FanofAction said: For fucks sake, please, I'm begging the universe here, please stop people from seeing movies with Awkwafina. She can't act. She can't voice act. But they keep pushing her. Whoever made that woman famous, I curse you and your entire family. She has been "P. Diddied"! lol They both appeared in "Jumanji: The Next Level". Additionally, Awkwafina has mentioned in interviews that she has admired P. Diddy's career and impact on music and culture. lol Awkwafina- My vag (2012) She literally started off as a low talent Female Rapper mostly remembered for totally doing an uninspiring knocking off of Mickey Avalon's most popular song, "My Dick". Dirt Nasty & Mickey Avalon - My Dick (2006) |
ColourWheelSep 26, 2024 12:02 AM
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| Spice? In anime? Which spice are you talking about? Those isekai ecchi trash that we get every season?? |
 -Tohka is better than Kurumi. You can't change my mind. |
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Spice? In anime? Which spice are you talking about? Those isekai ecchi trash that we get every season??
| @DinoNo1 Hey look, there's one of those complaints about newer anime I mentioned. |
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FanofAction said:
For fucks sake, please, I'm begging the universe here, please stop people from seeing movies with Awkwafina. She can't act. She can't voice act. But they keep pushing her. Whoever made that woman famous, I curse you and your entire family.
For fucks sake, please, I'm begging the universe here, please stop people from seeing movies with Awkwafina. She can't act. She can't voice act. But they keep pushing her. Whoever made that woman famous, I curse you and your entire family.
She has been "P. Diddied"! lol
They both appeared in "Jumanji: The Next Level". Additionally, Awkwafina has mentioned in interviews that she has admired P. Diddy's career and impact on music and culture. lol
Awkwafina- My vag (2012)
She literally started off as a low talent Female Rapper mostly remembered for totally doing an uninspiring knocking off of Mickey Avalon's most popular song, "My Dick".
Dirt Nasty & Mickey Avalon - My Dick (2006)
ColourWheel said: She has been "P. Diddied"! lol They both appeared in "Jumanji: The Next Level". Additionally, Awkwafina has mentioned in interviews that she has admired P. Diddy's career and impact on music and culture. lol I don't know if that'll be enough to stop casting her, but if it is, at least one good thing will come out of that. |
| Wait....I don't usually post three times in a row, but is there meaning behind showing that Luke and Leia clip? You saying what I think you're saying? |
| anime takes risk? I don't know in which dimension you are living but please bring me with you |
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Zarutaku said:
Wasn't Redo of Healer 2021 more risky and successful than Onimai?
Wasn't Redo of Healer 2021 more risky and successful than Onimai?
Sorry, a misogynistic power-fantasy isekai risky? On what planet? I'm not sure what's supposed to be so risky about Onimai either, but isekai are the dominant genre in anime now, and have been for quite a while.
| @logopolis Redo of Healer isn't an isekai. It does still involve a medieval fantasy setting, a harem and time travel, which may be what caused people to pre-emptively assume it was another contemporary isekai anime at a passing glance. |
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ColourWheel said:
She has been "P. Diddied"! lol
They both appeared in "Jumanji: The Next Level". Additionally, Awkwafina has mentioned in interviews that she has admired P. Diddy's career and impact on music and culture. lol
She has been "P. Diddied"! lol
They both appeared in "Jumanji: The Next Level". Additionally, Awkwafina has mentioned in interviews that she has admired P. Diddy's career and impact on music and culture. lol
I don't know if that'll be enough to stop casting her, but if it is, at least one good thing will come out of that.
FanofAction said: I don't know if that'll be enough to stop casting her, but if it is, at least one good thing will come out of that. I doubt she has been "freaken off" with P. Diddy (no pun intended), but I don't think anything good can come from even being remotely associated to the Puffy Daddy anymore. Already starting to see celebrities coming out of wood work to try to distance themselves as far as they can from the Puff Man. Such as recently even Leonardo Dicaprio suddenly came out of the blue to reassure the public he has never been to one of P. Diddy's "Freak Offs". lol It's not like anyone really had an suspicions that he has ever been to one to begin with. Like the dude was so far off the radar in anyone's mind from the get go, that Leonardo Dicaprio almost abruptly making such a public statement suddenly makes it suspicious in itself. lol |
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FanofAction said:
I don't know if that'll be enough to stop casting her, but if it is, at least one good thing will come out of that.
I don't know if that'll be enough to stop casting her, but if it is, at least one good thing will come out of that.
I doubt she has been "freaken off" with P. Diddy (no pun intended), but I don't think anything good can come from even being remotely associated to the Puffy Daddy anymore.
Already starting to see celebrities coming out of wood work to try to distance themselves as far as they can from the Puff Man. Such as recently even Leonardo Dicaprio suddenly came out of the blue to reassure the public he has never been to one of P. Diddy's "Freak Offs". lol It's not like anyone really had an suspicions that he has ever been to one to begin with. Like the dude was so far off the radar in anyone's mind from the get go, that Leonardo Dicaprio almost abruptly making such a public statement suddenly makes it suspicious in itself. lol
| @ColourWheel I'm curious to see how far people will go to scrub the Diddy off of themselves. Like, are they going to try to bury every song or interview that even mentions him, because good luck with that. |
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@logopolis Redo of Healer isn't an isekai. It does still involve a medieval fantasy setting, a harem and time travel, which may be what caused people to pre-emptively assume it was another contemporary isekai anime at a passing glance.
| @Archean-Return And an RPG-like character class in the title. |
FanofAction said: Wait....I don't usually post three times in a row, but is there meaning behind showing that Luke and Leia clip? You saying what I think you're saying? Yes, American media should take the anime route and show a lot more incest themes, GoT is proof of its success. |
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FanofAction said:
Wait....I don't usually post three times in a row, but is there meaning behind showing that Luke and Leia clip? You saying what I think you're saying?
Wait....I don't usually post three times in a row, but is there meaning behind showing that Luke and Leia clip? You saying what I think you're saying?
Yes, American media should take the anime route and show a lot more incest themes, GoT is proof of its success.
| @Zarutaku I dunno if GoT is a great example. Incest didn't exactly save it from people hating those last couple seasons. |
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@logopolis Redo of Healer isn't an isekai. It does still involve a medieval fantasy setting, a harem and time travel, which may be what caused people to pre-emptively assume it was another contemporary isekai anime at a passing glance.
| @Archean-Return The whole "another world" thing isn't even relevant in most actual isekai anyway. |
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