| So Mastercard expands it's category on forbidden content. Stuff like this is why I think Japan should tighten its stance against global influence. What do you think? It really shows how censorship continues to be on the rise imo. |
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| Adult VNs sound pretty degenerate and satanic so rare international financier W? |
| MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
| Moralfags are censoring hentai. Is that any surprise lol? |
| Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings..... https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065 Here is my blog.... https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
| They've been cracking down on VN and Vtuber a lot o lately, but ofcourse they'll censor more and more eventually including anime. some other examples of censorship: https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/1buq2z5/dlsite_followup_mastercard_and_visa_currently/ https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1cnxq4k/niconico_suspends_visa_payments_for_their_premium/ I think it's weird for payment processors to decide what can and can't be sold (instead of government or other regulatory entities) , even stupid. |
| I don't know who that is, but he spoke the blunt truth. |
| I think it's really weird for a money processor to arbitrate morality of purchases. Imagine if Visa just stopped allowing purchases at fast food places to make people eat healthier or something. It's weird, but because people in power always have to tiptoe around sex industries, if not express statements outright against it, no one's going to try to stop this sort of thing, and the space around sexuality will grow more hostile and dangerous for SWers of any kind, including erotic artists. |
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| This is informative and unfortunate. |
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I think it's really weird for a money processor to arbitrate morality of purchases. Imagine if Visa just stopped allowing purchases at fast food places to make people eat healthier or something. It's weird, but because people in power always have to tiptoe around sex industries, if not express statements outright against it, no one's going to try to stop this sort of thing, and the space around sexuality will grow more hostile and dangerous for SWers of any kind, including erotic artists.
| @Timeline_man Apparently it is because an extremist group Morality in Media that renamed itself NCOSE so it can pretend to be a child protection group is behind all this. They are basically having an end goal of ending all porn, all nudity all sexuality in any form of media including the entirety of the internet. They report the credit card companies to the feds to make them get investigated and they also pass laws. They are who needs to be stop first since they are the source. Their money supply needs tracked down and cut off. This also may in part relate to Fosta SESTA in some cases which oikely also was from that group backing it. |
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Apparently it is because an extremist group Morality in Media that renamed itself NCOSE so it can pretend to be a child protection group is behind all this. They are basically having an end goal of ending all porn, all nudity all sexuality in any form of media including the entirety of the internet. They report the credit card companies to the feds to make them get investigated and they also pass laws. They are who needs to be stop first since they are the source. Their money supply needs tracked down and cut off. This also may in part relate to Fosta SESTA in some cases which oikely also was from that group backing it.
Apparently it is because an extremist group Morality in Media that renamed itself NCOSE so it can pretend to be a child protection group is behind all this. They are basically having an end goal of ending all porn, all nudity all sexuality in any form of media including the entirety of the internet. They report the credit card companies to the feds to make them get investigated and they also pass laws. They are who needs to be stop first since they are the source. Their money supply needs tracked down and cut off. This also may in part relate to Fosta SESTA in some cases which oikely also was from that group backing it.
| @traed I'm not at all surprised to hear that this is being done under the guise of "protecting children", as most things meant to enforce a strict code of morality onto an entire nation/world tend to be. It's an unfortunately solid defense, because going after them would be to liken oneself to pedos and groomers, which no one really wants to do. |
| Dreams are worth fighting for |
| its incredible how capable are american companies for ruining everything |
| Credit card companies and banks are horrible. This isn't really a "Japan vs the West" problem, its more an issue of the institutions that control our money having too much power to control what information we are allowed to share. Credit card companies have been notorious for cracking down on NSFW content in recent years which most notably led to OnlyFans almost abandoning sex workers because of pressure from CC companies. It could be a hell of a lot worse though as at least here in the US there have been many conservative politicians who have effectively banned NSFW content in quite a few states, but the people really need to speak up against these arbitrary restrictions against NSFW content whether it be from the government or from CC companies. |
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| One of the things that made me stop being a Libertarian was knowing that private entities are able to do the exact same things we would accuse of being "totalitarian dictatorship measures" if they were made by the state. The first time I heard of such measures regarding CC companies censoring stuff was nearly a decade ago when I was discussing in groups why there was so much "step-sibling/step-parent" pornography, but no actual incest roleplay (It seems weirdly arbitrary considering that both are just that, fictional role-playing), then I heard about how payment processors were involved in that. |
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Credit card companies and banks are horrible. This isn't really a "Japan vs the West" problem, its more an issue of the institutions that control our money having too much power to control what information we are allowed to share. Credit card companies have been notorious for cracking down on NSFW content in recent years which most notably led to OnlyFans almost abandoning sex workers because of pressure from CC companies. It could be a hell of a lot worse though as at least here in the US there have been many conservative politicians who have effectively banned NSFW content in quite a few states, but the people really need to speak up against these arbitrary restrictions against NSFW content whether it be from the government or from CC companies.
| @LSSJ_Gaming Money only exists because of institutions to begin with. It has a lot to do with US laws. For example any purchase you make over an arbitrary amount decided decades ago (with no adjustment for inflation either) has to be reported to the IRS. Banks exceed requirements in attempt to avoid getting penalized so they just report everything you do so there is no privacy unless you pay in cash-money or crypto. These banks all have close ties to the credit card companies, unfortunately i havent even found a bank or credit union that does not rely on VISA or Mastercard or American Express etc for it's debit cards. FOSTA-SESTA along with a few other laws also helped make it possible for companies to be so heavily censored. OnlyFans thing was because of NCOSE, it's mentioned in many articles, which is not a company because they dont have a product, same case in every other instance this specific group does get mentioned in articles. "CC companies" is far too vague to have an actual target to do anything about it unless you can name specific ones actually involved and how much money they chip in to their goals and what other connections they have. I think knowing the name of NCOSE helps track down the exact people funding these efforts even if a new group would try to pop up with a new name again it would still be known who does the funding. Unfortunately i havent had luck finding names of donators. |
traedAug 3, 2024 8:09 PM
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| Eventually someday someone is going to take notice that has a lot of money who will create a new credit card company that will eliminate the need for VISA or Mastercard if they keep restricting things one can't consume based on selective morality. Even if not, an easy way around such a system right now is to have people used a reliable third party system like PayPal to use as payment. Where inadvertently even if one was to use either VISA or Mastercard the payment would still be coming from the same source. Companies that are starting to be canceled due to western influences like this need to wise up on this and start looking to third party means for financial transactions even if new ones need to be created. I have a PayPal account strictly for things that don't accept traditional credit cards such as VISA or Mastercard and have yet to run into an instance where I couldn't use PayPal to purchase something. The irony is that the money I dumped into my PayPal accounts are from the very same credit card companies that have selective morality. Even so I also bought like 100USD worth of bitcoin back in 2013 which today seems to be worth over 20,000USDs today. So even if a place doesn't take PayPal or even VISA/Mastercard I still have about 20,000USDs worth of bitcoin I have never touched in my life. lol |
ColourWheelAug 3, 2024 11:04 PM
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Eventually someday someone is going to take notice that has a lot of money who will create a new credit card company that will eliminate the need for VISA or Mastercard if they keep restricting things one can't consume based on selective morality. Even if not, an easy way around such a system right now is to have people used a reliable third party system like PayPal to use as payment. Where inadvertently even if one was to use either VISA or Mastercard the payment would still be coming from the same source. Companies that are starting to be canceled due to western influences like this need to wise up on this and start looking to third party means for financial transactions even if new ones need to be created.
I have a PayPal account strictly for things that don't accept traditional credit cards such as VISA or Mastercard and have yet to run into an instance where I couldn't use PayPal to purchase something. The irony is that the money I dumped into my PayPal accounts are from the very same credit card companies that have selective morality.
Even so I also bought like 100USD worth of bitcoin back in 2013 which today seems to be worth over 20,000USDs today. So even if a place doesn't take PayPal or even VISA/Mastercard I still have about 20,000USDs worth of bitcoin I have never touched in my life. lol
I have a PayPal account strictly for things that don't accept traditional credit cards such as VISA or Mastercard and have yet to run into an instance where I couldn't use PayPal to purchase something. The irony is that the money I dumped into my PayPal accounts are from the very same credit card companies that have selective morality.
Even so I also bought like 100USD worth of bitcoin back in 2013 which today seems to be worth over 20,000USDs today. So even if a place doesn't take PayPal or even VISA/Mastercard I still have about 20,000USDs worth of bitcoin I have never touched in my life. lol
| @ColourWheel I think Paypal has selective morality too, if I read something like this: DLSITE said: PayPal can only be used for works in the DLsite Comipo section. Furthermore, PayPal cannot be used to purchase certain works that fall under "Adult-only" or "Extreme / Sexual". |
| japan premium content is hurting pondography industry that's why they attack |
| "Visa Mastercard censorship hits Denpasoft" Not really a big surprise. |
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| It's because there is money in it. It is the result of 3DPD sites not taking down illegal content fast enough, so grifters sue the payment processors that handle their payments. Blackrock investors demand they do something and resurrecting and canceling Epstein is currently off the table, so stuff like this is an easy win to show they are doing something. MSM 3DPD shit rolls downhill you know. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shit%20rolls%20down%20hill |
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| That's crazy how a card company does that kind of stuff. |
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western investors demand censorship so this companies are just following them
| @deg This isn't investors; it's a religious conservative group pressuring the credit card companies to make these moves. Yet again. |
| Am I the only one who finds it quite ironic that having actually defeated the right-wing reaction, the left has actually simply replaced it and, likewise, indulged in moral panic and created new taboos? |
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| Not this guy again with his attention seeking clickbait threads |
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Am I the only one who finds it quite ironic that having actually defeated the right-wing reaction, the left has actually simply replaced it and, likewise, indulged in moral panic and created new taboos?
| @RobertBobert bitch, left has nothing to do with this as this IS a bunch of right wing religious nutjobs pressuring crédit card companies |
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@RobertBobert bitch, left has nothing to do with this as this IS a bunch of right wing religious nutjobs pressuring crédit card companies
| @trinitroglycerin Nice to meet you, my name is Robert. Yes, sure. I've seen countless sanctimonious conflicts over ecchi content over the years, and none of them was caused by the right. |
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@trinitroglycerin Nice to meet you, my name is Robert. Yes, sure. I've seen countless sanctimonious conflicts over ecchi content over the years, and none of them was caused by the right.
| @RobertBobert read the previous answers in this thread. Your obsession with a non existent "woke" left is quite funny. |
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@RobertBobert read the previous answers in this thread. Your obsession with a non existent "woke" left is quite funny.
| @trinitroglycerin judging by the emotionality of your answers from the very beginning of our “dialogue”, someone else is obsessed here. Especially if you literally started insulting me for having a different point of view just because you liked what someone else had previously expressed. But let's get back to the topic. I already read this, a typical attempt to shift responsibility to the right, which happens all the time now. Nothing new. |
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| Wokeism strikes again. They are the same people who think pedophile films like Cuties are perfectly fine but sexualization of drawings is against their morals. Pretty obvious of what they really are. |
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| It's almost funny how there's actually zero repercussions for any companies/groups doing this. You will be ashamed for beating off, and you will defer to banks when using your money. Very awesome! |
| In a civilised world this sort of corporate overreach would be subject to a massive anti-trust lawsuit, but we live in a Burgerpunk dystopia. |
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@RobertBobert read the previous answers in this thread. Your obsession with a non existent "woke" left is quite funny.
| @trinitroglycerin And your obsession with non existent MAL "incels, pedophiles, and MAGA" is quite funny. See, other's can do this too. |
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It's almost funny how there's actually zero repercussions for any companies/groups doing this. You will be ashamed for beating off, and you will defer to banks when using your money. Very awesome!
PlasticRobot said: It's almost funny how there's actually zero repercussions for any companies/groups doing this. Technically there is a way to fight back by building lawsuits. In certain places there are technically legal protections on restricting purchases through religious guidelines where an obvious legal dispute could be pursued. Particularly in such places like North America where restrictions are seen as infringing on individual rights or freedom of choice. The real issue would then lie in who is at the top in the Supreme Court which currently leans extremely conservative that would likely side with these religious groups that pressure credit card companies despite legal or constitutional precedent. |
ColourWheelAug 4, 2024 11:18 AM
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PlasticRobot said:
It's almost funny how there's actually zero repercussions for any companies/groups doing this.
It's almost funny how there's actually zero repercussions for any companies/groups doing this.
Technically there is a way to fight back by building lawsuits. In certain places there are technically legal protections on restricting purchases through religious guidelines where an obvious legal dispute could be pursued. Particularly in such places like North America where restrictions are seen as infringing on individual rights or freedom of choice. The real issue would then lie in who is at the top in the Supreme Court which currently leans extremely conservative that would likely side with these religious groups that pressure credit card companies despite legal or constitutional precedent.
| @ColourWheel Realistically speaking even if a large company got sued for something, it'd be a fine, so it's really just a cost of doing business. That's sort of a general issue with consumer protection, not specific to this case. |
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@ColourWheel Realistically speaking even if a large company got sued for something, it'd be a fine, so it's really just a cost of doing business.
That's sort of a general issue with consumer protection, not specific to this case.
That's sort of a general issue with consumer protection, not specific to this case.
JaniSIr said: @ColourWheel Realistically speaking even if a large company got sued for something, it'd be a fine, so it's really just a cost of doing business. That's sort of a general issue with consumer protection, not specific to this case. Not if it's a lawsuit specifically targeting on infringing on individual rights or freedom of choice. It would be seen as a First Amendment issue in North America. Sure there could be a fine involved but typically if such a lawsuit was successful it could reverse credit card companies from selectively restricting what consumers could pursue to buy through them as long as what one wants to buy is not something illegal. The real issue is no one so far has ever tried to pursue such a lawsuit yet that has the time, money, and interest in doing so. The average consumer who would loudly complain about such an issue doesn't usually have the capital or the time to pursue such a legal endeavor. |
ColourWheelAug 4, 2024 11:47 AM
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I think it's really weird for a money processor to arbitrate morality of purchases. Imagine if Visa just stopped allowing purchases at fast food places to make people eat healthier or something. It's weird, but because people in power always have to tiptoe around sex industries, if not express statements outright against it, no one's going to try to stop this sort of thing, and the space around sexuality will grow more hostile and dangerous for SWers of any kind, including erotic artists.
| @Timeline_man The actual reason is that adult entertainment has a huge number of chargebacks. Payment processors are happy to drop them as a client base. @ColourWheel You fundamentally misunderstand the first amendment. It protects you from the government, not a private platform, hence why MAL can remove people's reviews or forum posts if they violate guidelines and *censor* them. |
ACasualViewerAug 4, 2024 12:26 PM
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@Timeline_man
The actual reason is that adult entertainment has a huge number of chargebacks. Payment processors are happy to drop them as a client base.
@ColourWheel
You fundamentally misunderstand the first amendment. It protects you from the government, not a private platform, hence why MAL can remove people's reviews or forum posts if they violate guidelines and *censor* them.
The actual reason is that adult entertainment has a huge number of chargebacks. Payment processors are happy to drop them as a client base.
@ColourWheel
You fundamentally misunderstand the first amendment. It protects you from the government, not a private platform, hence why MAL can remove people's reviews or forum posts if they violate guidelines and *censor* them.
ACasualViewer said: You fundamentally misunderstand the first amendment. It protects you from the government, not a private platform, hence why MAL can remove people's reviews or forum posts if they violate guidelines and *censor* them. I do not have a misunderstanding of the 1st amendment. Payment processors would not be the same thing as a private online social platform framed in the same context when bringing up constitutional issues such as discrimination. Specifically when online platforms will already have guidelines and policies laid out to protect them from legal discourse. Payment Processors typically do not set such specific guidelines and is selectively discriminating beyond any written policy. Specifically if they are allowing one type of sexual content to be bought but selectively discriminating on other types of sexual content. Such a lawsuit would still be seen as a 1st Amendment issue even if it involves other constitutional Amendments such as the Fourteenth Amendment. Where restrictions on purchasing could be seen as discriminatory violating principles of fairness and equality. Either way payment processors can potentially still be sued for discrimination based on what sexual content they allow or disallow to be purchased. It's a matter of how the lawsuit would be framed. While payment processors are private companies they can typically refuse purchases for anything they want by setting their own policies on the content they support or not, if they have such a thing. Though, if a private company's decisions are motivated by discriminatory practices there is valid legal grounds for a lawsuit. |
ColourWheelAug 4, 2024 1:58 PM
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@Timeline_man
The actual reason is that adult entertainment has a huge number of chargebacks. Payment processors are happy to drop them as a client base.
@ColourWheel
You fundamentally misunderstand the first amendment. It protects you from the government, not a private platform, hence why MAL can remove people's reviews or forum posts if they violate guidelines and *censor* them.
The actual reason is that adult entertainment has a huge number of chargebacks. Payment processors are happy to drop them as a client base.
@ColourWheel
You fundamentally misunderstand the first amendment. It protects you from the government, not a private platform, hence why MAL can remove people's reviews or forum posts if they violate guidelines and *censor* them.
| @ACasualViewer the first amendment is what happens when people hundreds of years ago make laws that don't get updated as technology progresses. So much of communication goes through a few mega corporations with 0 accountability it's insane. |
ColourWheel said: Eventually someday someone is going to take notice that has a lot of money who will create a new credit card company that will eliminate the need for VISA or Mastercard if they keep restricting things one can't consume based on selective morality. Even if not, an easy way around such a system right now is to have people used a reliable third party system like PayPal to use as payment. Where inadvertently even if one was to use either VISA or Mastercard the payment would still be coming from the same source. Companies that are starting to be canceled due to western influences like this need to wise up on this and start looking to third party means for financial transactions even if new ones need to be created. I have a PayPal account strictly for things that don't accept traditional credit cards such as VISA or Mastercard and have yet to run into an instance where I couldn't use PayPal to purchase something. The irony is that the money I dumped into my PayPal accounts are from the very same credit card companies that have selective morality. Even so I also bought like 100USD worth of bitcoin back in 2013 which today seems to be worth over 20,000USDs today. So even if a place doesn't take PayPal or even VISA/Mastercard I still have about 20,000USDs worth of bitcoin I have never touched in my life. lol Those arent even the only companies doing it American Express does too just less often because it is smaller. The source isn't the credit card companies themselves, they don't really care about these things otherwise they wouldnt all be doing the exact same things because views would vary. They are part of a downstream of outside influence and only focusing on them alone would have limited effectiveness. PayPal cut off service to anyone from Russia as a virtue signal and it effectively made artists starve in Russia since they tend to only take PayPal. https://www.businessinsider.com/paypal-suspends-services-in-russia-in-response-to-ukraine-invasion-2022-3?op=1 Only alternative I can find is GNU Taler but it has some shortcomings like I dont think they currently support exchanging one currency into another i heard. Though it has some pro sides like the purchases you make being anonymous. I guess it is closest to something like Apple Pay rather than credit cards. https://taler.net/en/ ColourWheel said: I do not have a misunderstanding of the 1st amendment. Payment processors would not be the same thing as a private online social platform framed in the same context when bringing up constitutional issues such as discrimination. Specifically when online platforms will already have guidelines and policies laid out to protect them from legal discourse. Payment Processors do not set such guidelines and is selectively discriminating beyond any written policy. Specifically if they are allowing one type of sexual content to be bought but selectively discriminating on other types of sexual content. Such a lawsuit would still be seen as a 1st Amendment issue even if it involves other constitutional Amendments such as the Fourteenth Amendment. Where restrictions on purchasing could be seen as discriminatory violating principles of fairness and equality. Either way payment processors can potentially be sued for discrimination based on what sexual content they allow or disallow to be purchased. It's a matter of how the lawsuit would be framed. While payment processors are private companies they can typically refuse purchases for anything they want. Setting their own policies on the content they support or not. Though, if a private companies decisions are motivated by discriminatory practices there is valid legal grounds for a lawsuit. It isnt first amendment related. It is closer to the Equal Credit Opportunity Act "This Act (Title VII of the Consumer Credit Protection Act) prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, marital status, age, receipt of public assistance, or good faith exercise of any rights under the Consumer Credit Protection Act. The Act also requires creditors to provide applicants, upon request, with the reasons underlying decisions to deny credit. The Dodd-Frank Act added, among other things, a requirement that creditors provide to applicants a copy of all appraisals and other written valuations used in connection with the applicant’s application for first lien loans secured by a dwelling." You technically could apply religion since these acts are pushed by conservative groups like the NCOSE as to who is trying to weaponize US legal loopholes against credit card companies but it would be difficult since the credit card companies arent the ones motivated by religion they are doing it because they dont want to constantly be investigated by the government. I think the scope of that law doesnt really cover it. Visa and Mastercard paid off an antitrust lawsuit recently and technically you could try to claim barring certain kinds of things is an act of antitrust in itself but again it is kind of a stretch of the laws reach https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/visa-mastercard-merchant-swipe-fees-antitrust-lawsuit-settled/ |
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Venluxy1 said: Honestly, eu been the only country that lately passed many good laws to crack down on big tech from usa, like forcing apple to have alternative app store in ios and adding usb c port on new iPhones. Not very likely, but maybe they will crack down on credit card company also for their monopoly. USB-C isnt universal though it is just a form factor. Many USBC cords are incompatible with some devices and you have no way to tell them apart. You forgot about requiring removable batteries. As for data privacy best out there is Iceland. Japan has similar laws as the EU's GDPR. It wont do a thing unless Japan itself adopts laws against these practices threatening to bar the credit card companies from Japan. |
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| I guess this is one more reason to switch to Revolut or other alternatives. Are Visa and Mastercard shooting themselves in their feet? |
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I guess this is one more reason to switch to Revolut or other alternatives.
Are Visa and Mastercard shooting themselves in their feet?
Are Visa and Mastercard shooting themselves in their feet?
| @alshu Revolut isnt an alternative. Literally just read the fine print on the bottom of their site. "The Revolut USA Prepaid Visa® and Prepaid Mastercard® are issued by Metropolitan Commercial Bank pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. for Visa cards, and Mastercard International for Mastercard cards, and may be used everywhere Visa or Mastercard are accepted. Banking services are provided by Metropolitan Commercial Bank, Member FDIC, and are subject to the terms of a Cardholder Agreement. “Metropolitan Commercial Bank” and “Metropolitan” are registered trademarks of Metropolitan Commercial Bank © 2014." |
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traed said: "The Revolut USA Prepaid Visa® and Prepaid Mastercard® are issued by Metropolitan Commercial Bank pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. for Visa cards, and Mastercard International for Mastercard cards, and may be used everywhere Visa or Mastercard are accepted. Banking services are provided by Metropolitan Commercial Bank, Member FDIC, and are subject to the terms of a Cardholder Agreement. “Metropolitan Commercial Bank” and “Metropolitan” are registered trademarks of Metropolitan Commercial Bank © 2014." This simply means their payments are also supported by Visa and Mastercard, not limited to. |
Reply to alshu
traed said:
"The Revolut USA Prepaid Visa® and Prepaid Mastercard® are issued by Metropolitan Commercial Bank pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. for Visa cards, and Mastercard International for Mastercard cards, and may be used everywhere Visa or Mastercard are accepted. Banking services are provided by Metropolitan Commercial Bank, Member FDIC, and are subject to the terms of a Cardholder Agreement. “Metropolitan Commercial Bank” and “Metropolitan” are registered trademarks of Metropolitan Commercial Bank © 2014."
"The Revolut USA Prepaid Visa® and Prepaid Mastercard® are issued by Metropolitan Commercial Bank pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. for Visa cards, and Mastercard International for Mastercard cards, and may be used everywhere Visa or Mastercard are accepted. Banking services are provided by Metropolitan Commercial Bank, Member FDIC, and are subject to the terms of a Cardholder Agreement. “Metropolitan Commercial Bank” and “Metropolitan” are registered trademarks of Metropolitan Commercial Bank © 2014."
This simply means their payments are also supported by Visa and Mastercard, not limited to.
| @alshu Then it wouldnt be called Revolut USA Prepaid Visa. They are virtual Visa card numbers. Part of their business is virtual cards. It only would be an alternative if their banking functions offer ability of payment through the banking feature without relying on the virtual card system. Closest to an actual alternative ive found is GNU Taler but unfortunately even if businesses started using it there is the issue they dont support currency conversion so only businesses that accept the currency it was paid for in it would work on, which isnt too big an issue since many Japanese companies let you pay in USD online, but many dont. Only things actually usable currently are Apple Pay and Google Pay which are widely used in Japan. |
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Reply to deg
@Zalis i see and they say the left wing woke groups are the censorship side this days
| @deg I mean it's been pretty obvious over the last few years, how many anti censorship guys are just crypto Soc Cons nowadays. A lot of people are pretty hypocritical about "censorship" and often it just comes down to I personally don't like x, rather than principles. Right or Left. Most radical progressives just adopted tactics, the Evangelical Right was using for years. |
Reply to BilboBaggins365
@deg I mean it's been pretty obvious over the last few years, how many anti censorship guys are just crypto Soc Cons nowadays. A lot of people are pretty hypocritical about "censorship" and often it just comes down to I personally don't like x, rather than principles. Right or Left. Most radical progressives just adopted tactics, the Evangelical Right was using for years.
| @BilboBaggins365 Somehow I wondered what a "crypto soc con" is, so I asked an AI, which offered 4 alternatives. Among these, this one seemed to fit best into this context: chatgpt said: Crypto Social Conservative (Crypto Soc Con): This could refer to a person or group within the cryptocurrency community who identifies as socially conservative. In this context, "crypto" relates to cryptocurrency, and "soc con" is an abbreviation for "social conservative." If this definition applies, the goal of the crypto soc cons could be the promotion of crypto currency. In order to promote the use of crypto currency, they try to restrict the use of credit cards. Seems to make sense. However, I neither know if the above definition really applies, nor if my conclusion has any value. It could be based on a false assumption, and even if it is not, it is not necessarily true. |
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