| I feel like we‘re still at this point where there‘s not a lot of female characters in anime that are celebrated for their personality, especially as main characters in the big shows. Either it‘s the big boobs, the femininity and the whole idea of needing to look pretty, the helplessness or she is the end of a joke. Of course on the male side we have also a lot of muscle heads with six packs and all but there‘s also a lot of underground main characters like mob from mob psycho who we love for the person he is. I just wish there‘d be more recognition that women and men are just the same in the way that we are all human and that female characters are not just accessoires. And I know there‘s a few examples of change but in the grand scheme of things it‘s still not a lot I‘d say. What are your opinions on the topic? |
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| agreed but then japan is still conservative nation anyway as you said there are exceptions but most of the time women are just secondary characters or even accessories in anime |
| I feel like women are very well represented in anime, they're often very cool, cute, feminine, feisty, playful, sexy, shy and proactive which is thus quite great. |
| japanese women also wants more boys as main characters too so that does not help especially for battle shonen that is becoming more popular among fujoshis |
| The anime basically represents how Japan is like. The females in Japan are required to be feminine and those that are out of the circle can be seen as... Idk.. Out of the group? Also, males are superior than females over there so it's not strange to have seen these in Japanese animation. Regardless, I also wish both parties can be on equal footing in anime. That's why I love anime with strong female MC like Akatsuki no Yona and Skip Beat 👍 Talk about satisfaction |
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| Most animanga are male targeted works written by male authors. I guess this partly explains why |
| wrong website for this discussion dude, we lean alt-right here, nobody cares about the women |
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| Depends on what the anime is about. If it's mainly battle shonen or some kind of action related stuff, then women are most likely to be a romantic interest more than anything else, although that trend is changing too. We also have cool anime about women being the one of the main character like Ascendance of Bookworm, Black Lagoon (Revy is my favorite badass female character in anime), Maou Yuusha, Seijo no Maryoku, Darling in the Franxx, Higurashi series, Claymore, Maid-sama, Hataraku Maou-sama, Gosick, Requeim for the Phantom, Gunslinger Girl, Scientific Railgun, Angel Beats, Irregular at Magic High School, Chivalry of a failed knight, Tomo-chan is a girl, Code Geass, Reborn to Master the Blade, Shikimori is not just a Cutie, Hellsing Ultimate, Kakegurui, Your Lie in April and Seirei no Moribito. These days, having a helpless but physically attractive female lead only works in some fantasy isekai story which usually aren't worth it or is some side character while the main focus is not on romance but a bigger action oriented plot. |
| Best ending line in anime history = "My name is Saiki Kusuo. I am a psychic." |
Imoutocore said: That‘s exactly why I mention it here. Just openly sharing your thoughts might lead to people wanting to question their ideas. I‘m an advocate for treating people for who they are and not for which sex they belong to. Even if I‘m wrong here, at least I tried bringing awareness to the matter. So thank you for participating in this thread.wrong website for this discussion dude, we lean alt-right here, nobody cares about the women |
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Mucharetsu said: I wish it wouldn‘t tho. Why must something targeted towards men be degrading of women. Most animanga are male targeted works written by male authors. I guess this partly explains why Thanks for giving input. Lots to think about. |
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Dije said: I‘m not saying that there is no good representation of women at all but a lot is stereotypical. I don‘t want masculine women or feminine or whatsoever, it‘s not about wanting a certain type of women. That is actually my whole point. It‘s more about the idea of breaking out of the stereotypical presentation of women. A lot of female characters are objectified and pressed into the roles of how society wants women to act. That‘s what I tried talking about. Thank you for your input tho.tchitchouan said: This.I feel like women are very well represented in anime, they're often very cool, cute, feminine, feisty, playful, sexy, shy and proactive which is thus quite great. OP if you want masculine women just watch a movie, movies are full of that boring shit. Or go straight on youporn, trans section. Whatever you like |
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| i think there's great representation of women in anime, sometimes more so than other forms of media :) they have different personalities, styles, and mannerisms that make them all unique. |
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perfectionFound said: Thanks for being so kind. I mean you don‘t know the reasons why I rated these shows the way I did but yeah. I know that there is also good representation. I‘m just trying to point out the examples that aren‘t. Thanks for participating in this thead.You are wrong, it's not an anime problem but your problem because you watch only crap meant for children. Try josei, shoujo or even some seinen and that perception will change. Just checked your list, you gave a 6 to koe no katachi, makia and erased lol you will find them boring. Nevermind. |
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| coming from a woman, it upsets me most of the time seeing how women are represented in anime! there are of curse good female characters as in everything that actually have a personality and are realistic, but even those aren't safe of getting sexualised at some point. i just wish they were represented in a more realistic way so that i (and women in general) could relate to them, which we can't because they mostly are represented very unnaturally and male-targeted. i understand it's japan's culture or whatever but we shouldn't normalise it still and acknowledge that is wrong... again there are good female characters out there but it's not usually like that most of the time or at least in the most mainstream animes, it's annoying, upsetting and unsettling; and if men like or defend that stereotype it's because that's how they like their women, but they should know that's not a real picture of ussss |
| There are quite some anime with good female representation, some even with no fanservice like Haibane Renmei. If you want to watch something that messes with gender roles, watch Utena, my man. |
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eblf2013 said: Thank you very much for the recommendations!There are quite some anime with good female representation, some even with no fanservice like Haibane Renmei. If you want to watch something that messes with gender roles, watch Utena, my man. |
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poisonousfay said: I totally am agreeing with your point. We wanna feel safe within our anime consumption as women but that‘s not possible a lot of the times. Let‘s stay strong together!coming from a woman, it upsets me most of the time seeing how women are represented in anime! there are of curse good female characters as in everything that actually have a personality and are realistic, but even those aren't safe of getting sexualised at some point. i just wish they were represented in a more realistic way so that i (and women in general) could relate to them, which we can't because they mostly are represented very unnaturally and male-targeted. i understand it's japan's culture or whatever but we shouldn't normalise it still and acknowledge that is wrong... again there are good female characters out there but it's not usually like that most of the time or at least in the most mainstream animes, it's annoying, upsetting and unsettling; and if men like or defend that stereotype it's because that's how they like their women, but they should know that's not a real picture of ussss |
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| I think it's just buried in the mainstream ones and stereotypes. I don't know much myself but I would say things like Josei-oriented anime would be a good place for you to start |
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| I agree for the most part. It's hard finding realistic female characters in anime/ manga. Most of my favourite female characters are also unrealistic as hell. I just like them because of their personality and their role in the story. However I would say that it seems to me that female characters are getting progressively better. Popular new gen mangas like Chainsaw Man and JJK seems to have made a lot of improvements in female characters. CSM in particular really impressed me with its new female protagonist Asa Mitaka. A female character that I think is very well written. However I would say that their is still a long way for anime and manga to go as far as good female characters are concerned. |
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| Just from the series I have seen lately: - Attack on Titan (and nobody comes at me with "Mikasa is too obsessed", she lost both her families before she was 12, kids and teens like that always have serious attachment issues ... and the other women and AFAB non-binary people, namely I mean Hange by that, are awesome) - Golden Kamuy (Asirpa is a great female character) - Dorohedoro (awesome women in general) - Jujutsu Kaisen (Nobara is a queen, Maki is even bigger queen, but what I especially adore about Nobara is that she embraces her feminity herself while not being cliched) - ofc all the Pretty Cure series since they are directed at a young female demographic - there is this kind of "villainess" / female isekai-trend that is more directed at a female audience I agree that the portrayal of lot of girls and women are icky in lot of anime, especially fanservice-heavier ones. But if you need some recs @new_Ango , also some older anime: - https://myanimelist.net/anime/164/Mononoke_Hime , but basically all Ghibli movies although this is the best and Miyazaki is a fine feminist - https://myanimelist.net/anime/153/Juuni_Kokuki - a great, old fantasy and isekai series with actual worldbuilding and a female protagonist who gets lot of development. - https://myanimelist.net/anime/1827/Seirei_no_Moribito - a fantasy series about a hardened warrior woman who has to travel with and protect a young prince she develops motherly feelings for - https://myanimelist.net/anime/5420/Kemono_no_Souja_Erin - from the same author, another really good fantasy series with a female protagonist - https://myanimelist.net/anime/49738/Heike_Monogatari - a new and really good anime with a female protagonist And for conclusion a quote from the queen:  ❤🙏🏻 |
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| I feel like this is an important issue only in shounen romance. Other genres either have their fair share of well written girls or don't need them. |
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Felori said: You just described the most basic, cliche aspect of a Mary Sue character. If you somehow think that Mikasa being orphaned at young age somehow suddenly makes her a deep and complex character, then no, it doesn't.Attack on Titan (and nobody comes at me with "Mikasa is too obsessed", she lost both her families before she was 12, kids and teens like that always have serious attachment issues ... and the other women and AFAB non-binary people, namely I mean Hange by that, are awesome) And Hange is not "non-binary", unless it's just your headcanon. |
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tchitchouan said: I feel like women are very well represented in anime, they're often very cool, cute, feminine, feisty, playful, sexy, shy and proactive which is thus quite great. tchitchouan said: ye that's pretty much sums it (character limit)I feel like women are very well represented in anime, they're often very cool, cute, feminine, feisty, playful, sexy, shy and proactive which is thus quite great. |
| Anime characters are design with idealism in mind and not to appease western woke representation crowd. |
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| No opinions Miss I watch anime, if I like, I like, if I feel weirded out by too much voluptuousness, I leave. I know these aren't real women, but that doesn't meanothers can't enjoy them. Let them be, to be frank. I understand that your group not being well represented is terrible. Still, with the growing number of women working actively in the anime industry, it's just a matter of time. Give the industry some time, there are still set standards and unofficial scrutiny to sell to adolescents, and thirst trap sales are still an excellent market for them, but maybe, just maybe, there might be change. Also, to be noted, don't take others' words and voices straight to hear. Please understand we watch anime to enjoy, and people enjoy a WIDE variety of genres and well peeves. Just enjoy, and have fun. And kudos in trying to raise awareness |
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Helltaker said: Anime characters are design with idealism in mind and not to appease western woke representation crowd. I really did try to warn you OP, rip your soul. |
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| You should diversify what you watch op. There are a lot of anime with well written female characters and now ill mention a few: Shoujo Kakumei Utena(was mentioned above but still xd) Black Lagoon(not only Revy but all females there are well written and badass) GitS and GitS SaC(Motoko Kusanagi being one of the best written characters) Psycho-Pass(and i dont mean Akane there but the other females) Rose of Versailles(very good historical drama with a lot of well written female characters) Rayearth(CLAMP early work with a great 3 female mcs) Kimi ni Todoke(not only Sawako, but also her friends are well written) NANA(Both female mcs have the same name, but are so different, and the anime is a must watch). |
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| Weebs are a lot more tolerant towards girls than they are towards boys. A boy who cries? -> "what a wimp! grow a spine" A girl who cries? -> "how cute! gotta protecc her" A boy who acts up? -> "what an annoying brat!" A girl who acts up? -> "a tsundere! how cute!" An hyperactive boy? -> "how obnoxious!" An hyperactive girl? -> "she's funny!" A male bully? -> "what an asshole!" A female bully? -> "exactly my fetish!" That's why writing quality usually decreases proportionally to how many girl-centric shows there are, because you can write female characters like garbage and weebs will still love them and put them at the top of their best girl lists. That's not to say girls can't be well-written, weebs just don't care. For them it's more important that they are cute and memeable. In most cases, if you switched gender, people wouldn't care about that character or even hate them. |
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| Did you accidentally log into the wrong site OP? This isn't Twitter. Stop trying to police entertainment. |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas "Woof" -Tobiichi Origami "Are you trying to turn the dormitory into a strip club!?! -Atena Saotome |
| I prefer my waifus hot like in anime over the weird uglified westernized stuff going on nowadays going on with games like Horizon Zero Dawn. Anime is fictional so no reason to not make your characters attractive unless it is for telling a story relevant to such a detail. Both sexes prefer beauty, and nothing is wrong with that. |
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Tropisch said: Hey, if you don‘t like me posting my thoughts on mal you don‘t have to participate in this discussion. There‘s different types of entertainment and you don‘t always have to entertain at the cost of others. And hey, you do you. Like the kinda content you want to, I‘m happy for everyone finding their peace.Did you accidentally log into the wrong site OP? This isn't Twitter. Stop trying to police entertainment. I opened this forum to talk a little on the matter and find my own peace. It‘s great exchanging thoughts with each other and challenging each others opinions. So thanks for sharing your thoughts. |
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Tropisch said: Did you accidentally log into the wrong site OP? This isn't Twitter. Stop trying to police entertainment. based chungus MizunoWaveRider said: Weebs are a lot more tolerant towards girls than they are towards boys. A boy who cries? -> "what a wimp! grow a spine" A girl who cries? -> "how cute! gotta protecc her" A boy who acts up? -> "what an annoying brat!" A girl who acts up? -> "a tsundere! how cute!" An hyperactive boy? -> "how obnoxious!" An hyperactive girl? -> "she's funny!" A male bully? -> "what an asshole!" A female bully? -> "exactly my fetish!" That's why writing quality usually decreases proportionally to how many girl-centric shows there are, because you can write female characters like garbage and weebs will still love them and put them at the top of their best girl lists. That's not to say girls can't be well-written, weebs just don't care. For them it's more important that they are cute and memeable. In most cases, if you switched gender, people wouldn't care about that character or even hate them. For some reason every time I read one of your posts I want to physically damage inanimate objects. |
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Felori said: Piromysl said: You just described the most basic, cliche aspect of a Mary Sue character. If you somehow think that Mikasa being orphaned at young age somehow suddenly makes her a deep and complex character, then no, it doesn't. And Hange is not "non-binary", unless it's just your headcanon. It's not a head-canon, that's a well-known canon. Look that up or just leave it at that. Isayama explicitly refusing to confirm Hange's gender does not make her LGBT and he literally said, that it is up to reader's interpretation. Common consensus in the community is that she's female, but that's just a headcannon people agreed on. |
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| "Art imitates life" -Oscar Fingal O'Flahertie Wills Wilde |
| I think female anime/manga/game characters are very good, but it's really sad the way many women lived/live in Japan. |
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Felori said: Piromysl said: You just described the most basic, cliche aspect of a Mary Sue character. If you somehow think that Mikasa being orphaned at young age somehow suddenly makes her a deep and complex character, then no, it doesn't. And Hange is not "non-binary", unless it's just your headcanon. It's not a head-canon, that's a well-known canon. Look that up or just leave it at that. Hange is not non-binary, they are like Nanachi from Made in Abyss and Frisk from Undertale, their gender is placed as a mystery and the author allows the public to choose the gender. |
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| Yeah, I gotta say I'm not a huge fan of how many female characters are nothing more than bland support characters or jerk off material. It's hard to see that changing when the target market is horny teenage dudes. Npclucario said: Bro, it's 2023. M&Ms are woke for not wearing high heels anymore. The real question is what isn't woke these days.Helltaker said: Anime characters are design with idealism in mind and not to appease western woke representation crowd. Fellas is it woke to want interesting women characters? |
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Npclucario said: Helltaker said: Anime characters are design with idealism in mind and not to appease western woke representation crowd. Fellas is it woke to want interesting women characters? On MAL, yes. I see you weren't here in 2018, so I'll let it slide, but do your research. |
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new_Ango said: I feel like we‘re still at this point where there‘s not a lot of female characters in anime that are celebrated for their personality, especially as main characters in the big shows. Either it‘s the big boobs, the femininity and the whole idea of needing to look pretty, the helplessness or she is the end of a joke. Of course on the male side we have also a lot of muscle heads with six packs and all but there‘s also a lot of underground main characters like mob from mob psycho who we love for the person he is. I just wish there‘d be more recognition that women and men are just the same in the way that we are all human and that female characters are not just accessoires. And I know there‘s a few examples of change but in the grand scheme of things it‘s still not a lot I‘d say. What are your opinions on the topic? Just go watch Ghost in the Shell, Stand Alone Complex specially, the Major is everything you ask for. |
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