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| I've heard someone on this site saying that AOT might be some sort of mecha. But another someone here said, which I agree with, that transforming your body into something out of thin air is closer to magic. So, AOT is more likely mahou shoujo rather than mecha. |
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Nemo_Niemand said: I've heard someone on this site saying that AOT might be some sort of mecha. But another someone here said, which I agree with, that transforming your body into something out of thin air is closer to magic. So, AOT is more likely mahou shoujo rather than mecha. Mechs usually work on magic, even by sci-fi technology standards... |
JaniSIr said: Nemo_Niemand said: I've heard someone on this site saying that AOT might be some sort of mecha. But another someone here said, which I agree with, that transforming your body into something out of thin air is closer to magic. So, AOT is more likely mahou shoujo rather than mecha. Mechs usually work on magic, even by sci-fi technology standards... Fictional pseudo-science is still science, no matter how ridiculous it is. |
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| I love how most people here gave an answer that makes no sense whatsoever. Anime about tanks set 5 years in the future? "It's mecha". Heroic Fantasy with giant mechanical humanoid war machines? "it's not mecha it's not in the future!!!" Yeah gj MALers as usual. |
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Magic is OK for mecha, also the biological nature is not an issue, since there is such thing as biomecha. The problem with AOT is that the "piloting" part is missing. It's more of a transformation. On the other hand Oars from One Piece, being piloted from the cockpit in his stomach is totally a [bio]mecha. Deathko said: "it's not mecha it's not in the future!!!" Nobody said that. There's mecha in medieval setting like Seisenshi Dunbine for example. |
alshuNov 14, 2022 5:29 AM
I know what science fiction is, but like even with the fancy technology Cross Ange has, the mechs are straight up music powered. |
alshu said: Nobody said that. There's mecha in medieval setting like Seisenshi Dunbine for example. Half the voters voted for "futuristic war machines = mecha". That's a bit more than "nobody" |
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Deathko said: alshu said: Nobody said that. There's mecha in medieval setting like Seisenshi Dunbine for example. Half the voters voted for "futuristic war machines = mecha". That's a bit more than "nobody" This poll is ridiculous to begin with (as previously mentioned), the people who voted are mostly trolls. This is why I insisted on "said". |
| purely from purist perspective only Gundam and Mazinger/Grendiser are true mecha textbook examples Even Guren Lagann weers somewhat off. Eva probably even more so. Code Geass and ID-0 are more of their own thing with mechas in them So boundary between mecha and non mecha is like a boundary of space from Planets. |
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| picked the one-off OVA up on VHS back in the late-90's, thought the title Mecha was cool, and the Animation often rather exquisite, especially that legendary opening sequence. found that AnimEigo Laserdisc in an Anime LD lot i got locally for cheap from a fellow collector, must have been back around the late-2000's or thereabouts. GOOD SMILE just released this 1/20-or-so-Scaled MADOX, under their MODEROID model kit line, just a couple months or so back. Indeed, a dream made real; for many of us older Anime Mecha-enthusiasts, at least...   |
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Kumiveneella said: RobertBobert said: Kannazuki no Miko has always been considered more yuri than mecha, but I'm not sure about Kurumi 2 more. Isn't it just a normal yuri harem with a robot girl? Too bad because force has been a mystical concept for years, people didn't need a cheesy "scientific" explanation for it. That is why Lucas forbade any writers from revealing Yoda's past and seriously developing the lore of his race. He realized how much people appreciate mysterious riddles. Not like there isn't still a big robot in the cover of Kannazuki no Miko. Mecha at the end of the day comes from the word mechanical, or mechanized, any robots will do it. Doesn't really matter if you want to put arbitrary "real mecha" definitions, or say "but like it has that element more". Still personally prefer the midichlorians before "the force". Anything science fiction becomes nearly indistinguishable from magic at a certain point anyway. I mean it's like PreCure. It's a strong action show, but most people describe it primarily as mahou shoujo. It's not about whether it's scientific or magical. People didn't want cheesy explanations for things that should be mysterious. This is one of the reasons why the PriPri writer only said in an interview that they didn't intend the characters' relationship to be romantic. Because he wanted people to read it however they wanted. |
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| Mecha is a broad term. Especially when you take cultural approaches to mech designs into account. A good example of how much tomfoolery this can cause is to look at Battletech. Having very western style more tank designed mechs as apposed to the eastern style of being more humanoid... Except back in ye olden days when they used Macross mechs in their game. I thankfully own 2nd edition which includes these mechs so it is an interesting relic for sure. But in the context of anime the genre is split into two sub genres: Real Robot and Super Robot both with their own appeals. Then there are outlier like Evangelion where they aren't even mechs so by that logic is Attack on Titan mecha as well? In general I do love machinery and mechs aesthetically so that is why I like the genre. For me mecha is a piece of media that focuses on the piloting of machines that are fictitious in nature but even then going back to Macross what about the Valkyrie? It is both a bipedal mech and plane. What about transformers where they are living robots? These questions do keep me up and night and now as I am writing this more examples flood into my mind. Giant Gorg? Similar to Transformers but also a Super Robot show. 0.o |
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RobertBobert said: Kumiveneella said: Not like there isn't still a big robot in the cover of Kannazuki no Miko. Mecha at the end of the day comes from the word mechanical, or mechanized, any robots will do it. Doesn't really matter if you want to put arbitrary "real mecha" definitions, or say "but like it has that element more". Still personally prefer the midichlorians before "the force". Anything science fiction becomes nearly indistinguishable from magic at a certain point anyway. I mean it's like PreCure. It's a strong action show, but most people describe it primarily as mahou shoujo. It's not about whether it's scientific or magical. People didn't want cheesy explanations for things that should be mysterious. This is one of the reasons why the PriPri writer only said in an interview that they didn't intend the characters' relationship to be romantic. Because he wanted people to read it however they wanted. This is this and that is that. I don't care what kind of world breaking self interpretation people had about the value of faith or something. Star Wars fans don't even know what they want to begin with, they ask for a mature Star Wars entry then they receive one, yet they don't care. Also I wonder which PriPri writer are you even talking about there have been multiple main writers so far so I wonder which one you talk about when you use "the", Toudou Izumi? "Yeah no way! Pripri is a magical girl show?", Mecha shows also have action in them yet you wouldn't primarily call them action shows. Your point is that these arbitrary made up fan definitions are somehow of the same value as the fact that pretty cure is a mahou shoujo series? Again what is your point, funny how you come here asking "what is mecha to you?" yet you argue here for your made up definition. Edit: At the end of the day Saint Seiya is sci-fi to me, yet that doesn't mean it isn't other things. "Like no that series is primarily discussed as x!", it's also abc...etc in addition to being x. Also what is your problem with female transformation shows being called mahou shoujo, it's a magical transformation performed by using magic, thus magical girl. Is the name somehow insulting to you? How is it relegation. What would you call Binan Koukou Chikyuu Bouei-bu, Utena or Kill la Kill. Edit 2: Yet I still find you deflecting why you, emphasis on "you" think the midichlorians are stupid. Or as a matter fact your opinions on anything discussed here. Well I guess that doesn't actually matter. and midichlorians are off topic, so they are meaningless. |
KumiveneellaNov 15, 2022 2:56 AM
| Yes, more mecha please. Is there hot mech on mech action? If the answer is no, then it is not a mecha show. |
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| It's pretty simple i think, simply there's a difference between "mechs" and the mecha genre. Yes, every show with futuristic war machines "has" mecha because that's what mech technically means, but "is" not a mecha, as in it's obviously not in the mecha genre, unless we want to consider as such almost any sci-fi shows (as MAL tend to do by considering "mecha" a theme and not a genre) |
| Mecha: Sci fi technology gaint robots with pilots. My first anime was Voltron when i was 5 year old. Then Laserion, Macross, Red Baron, Dorvack, Saber Rider and Star Sheriffs, Magic Knight Rayearth, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Votoms and there is a one that i can't name. My favorite is Evangelion. Evas can be considered as kaiju as much as they are considered Mecha though because they are basicly kaijus called angels which were modified with Sci fi Mechanical parts which can be considered like an armor and they have a cockpit in their heads. They are as much as Biological as they are mechanical. I find this very original like making cyborg mecha out of a kaiju. Super cool. (: I also really like Votoms, their designs are very militaristic, if someone made mechas someday, they would look like Scoopdogs etc. probably. Total War machines. I find them realistic. I am new to Gundam. I started to read Gundam: Origin Manga and as a guy who grew up with mechas, i find the story as every mecha story ever. lol It is such a fimiliar story, if you watched many mecha animes. |
JaniSIr said: @alshu It took 13 episodes but even that show ended up having kids in mechs, even if they are the antagonists >< Yes, it has brainwashed terrorist kids in mechs, but it's not about them. It's about an ojisan who is "too old for this shit" and a crazy AI based on a real person. |
alshu said: JaniSIr said: @alshu It took 13 episodes but even that show ended up having kids in mechs, even if they are the antagonists >< Yes, it has brainwashed terrorist kids in mechs, but it's not about them. It's about an ojisan who is "too old for this shit" and a crazy AI based on a real person. About that, Ojisan was dubbed as "Sir Uncle" I shit you not. Also that does technically count as a spoiler, although I guessed that much having seen the character list... |
The negativity of the spoilers is overrated... JaniSIr said: Sir Uncle It's a pun. Dolores often confuses "ojisan" (uncle) and "oji-sama" (prince). |
alshuNov 15, 2022 5:13 AM
| To be a mecha: 1) Humanoid giant robots 2) Mecha plays a huge role in the plot/setting, not just a tool Count as mecha: Gundam (Build Fighters and Build Divers count too) Macross Soukyuu No Fafner Full Metal Panic Evangelion Knights & Magic Code Geass Buddy Complex Kyoukai Senki Valrave The Liberator Aldonah Zero Does not count as mecha: Ghost In The Shell Heavy Object Hundred Infinite Stratos Date A Live Promare -> Not big enough to be called mecha. Gurren Lagann. -> I just cannot call it mecha. Not sure if it is a personal thing. Hard to decide if it is mecha: 86. |
| So, Tekkaman Blade and Blue Gender are not mecha? |
| I am a purist. Only shows with humanoid robots like Gundam can be considered mecha (your vote ✔️) This is mecha to me and this is what I'll be avoidng like the plague after seeing this much vaunted abomination zeta goondam unless it's just a show where it's a secondary thing to stuff like ecchi or SoL. |
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Well, kind of. A good story is entertaining on second viewing too, but there's still some beauty in going into something without knowing anything about it. (Not that this were a mystery oriented anime, and it wasn't obvious from the character list already.) |
| Pretty sure by definition the answer with least votes right now is the right answer. This topic brought up recently because of 86 I know. But it's certainly different with common mecha series like Gundam or Code Geass. I personally (in at least) think the difference is not in one is humanoid and the other one isn't. I don't consider 86 as mecha series because the lack of unique/personal machine. Everyone ride same/similar machine, so it lacks the charm of generic mecha series. |
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| you can literally google "mecha genre definition" why on earth did u make a thread for this lmao |
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then, of course, there is the single best Mecha design of all time, SDF MACROSS' seminal VF-1 "Valkyrie" Variable Fighter;   .jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) |
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onionboys said: you can literally google "mecha genre definition" why on earth did u make a thread for this lmao If I find as enough random definitions on the Internet and I didn't care about people's opinions, then yes. Kumiveneella said: RobertBobert said: I mean it's like PreCure. It's a strong action show, but most people describe it primarily as mahou shoujo. It's not about whether it's scientific or magical. People didn't want cheesy explanations for things that should be mysterious. This is one of the reasons why the PriPri writer only said in an interview that they didn't intend the characters' relationship to be romantic. Because he wanted people to read it however they wanted. This is this and that is that. I don't care what kind of world breaking self interpretation people had about the value of faith or something. Star Wars fans don't even know what they want to begin with, they ask for a mature Star Wars entry then they receive one, yet they don't care. Also I wonder which PriPri writer are you even talking about there have been multiple main writers so far so I wonder which one you talk about when you use "the", Toudou Izumi? "Yeah no way! Pripri is a magical girl show?", Mecha shows also have action in them yet you wouldn't primarily call them action shows. Your point is that these arbitrary made up fan definitions are somehow of the same value as the fact that pretty cure is a mahou shoujo series? Again what is your point, funny how you come here asking "what is mecha to you?" yet you argue here for your made up definition. Edit: At the end of the day Saint Seiya is sci-fi to me, yet that doesn't mean it isn't other things. "Like no that series is primarily discussed as x!", it's also abc...etc in addition to being x. Also what is your problem with female transformation shows being called mahou shoujo, it's a magical transformation performed by using magic, thus magical girl. Is the name somehow insulting to you? How is it relegation. What would you call Binan Koukou Chikyuu Bouei-bu, Utena or Kill la Kill. Edit 2: Yet I still find you deflecting why you, emphasis on "you" think the midichlorians are stupid. Or as a matter fact your opinions on anything discussed here. Well I guess that doesn't actually matter. and midichlorians are off topic, so they are meaningless. You are trying to look for a black cat in a black room. This is just a subjective opinion, it's okay if it differs from yours. Don't axed it just because your subjective opinion contradicts it. |
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| I always considered Astro Boy and Kikaider to be mecha, both of which predate Gundam. Both characters are complete robots even if they develop actual intelligence like the miniature robots in Small Soldiers. I also consider Solty Rei (most underrated sci-fi anime of the 2000s) and Battle Angel Alita to be mecha also because both characters are also complete robots with actual intelligence. Mecha is a broader sci-fi genre than people think. Mecha is more than Fafner, Gundam, Armored Trooper Votoms, Zoids, Mazinger Z or Yuusha (no doubt it's super robot). By the way, I don't see EVA as mecha, but as pure sci-fi because of giant aliens. The story of EVA doesn't focus on mechanical engineering, robotics, artificial or actual intelligence. I see EVA centered on biomechanics, astrobiology or biotechnology which is a whole different branch of science. I can prove that Linebarrels of Iron is mecha because the plot focuses on both robotics and nanotechnology. The manga does a good job of going into detail about nanotechnology and the mechs. AKA, the Armas and Machinas. Imagine a complex robot injecting nanomachines into your body giving you some powers. |
Kurt_IrvingNov 27, 2022 2:11 AM
RobertBobert said: How do you define the mecha genre and consider to be its most fortunate incarnation of it, either in the form of a certain franchise or just some formula? Do you classify any show with a focus on cool mechanical military equipment as mecha? Personally, it always seemed to me as somewhat forced as relegating any female transformation show to mahou shoujo. Generally as a rule I think of "MECHA" shows as everything from Super Robot stuff from the 1970s to stuff like VOTOMS, GUNDAM, MACROSS, DRAGONAR, DUNBINE, Panzer World GALIENT, DOUGRAMS, etc... but can be open minded too. |
| In general, an anime falls into the Mecha genre when large pilotable futuristic machines play a large role in the story. |
| If you disagree with any thoughts or opinions expressed in the above post, you're wrong and I hate you forever! |
| A "mecha" for me is: 1. Gigantic (min 4 metres or 13.5 ft tall i.e. the height of an average house) 2. Mechanical (may have AI but not fully automatic) 3. Mostly metal 4. With limbs (USUALLY humanoid) As for "genre", in order to be tagged as one the anime must involve it in a regular AND influential manner otherwise the mecha'll just be an "element" used. Not a "genre". |
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