| I don't read the ln, play the games, play FGO, so take this with a grain of salt. Watching the Fate anime adaptations somehow rubbed me off the wrong way. What I can say is the dialogues are very different from a normal conversation you would have in a normal show and often cheesy at times. This is very apparent in apocrypha. God, I love Jeanne but her dialogues were insignificant and dreadful and made me think, ''In what capacity do people speak this way''. Most of them are walking Shakespeare. Also I can't help but noticed how disconnected the characters felt from the world. Yeah, Fuyuki is fairly a big town, but it felt like they are the only people living in the city (same with the round table movie and apocrypha). Only Babylonia felt natural imo because how the people of Uruk played an important role in the story and we see them a lot and talk normally with the characters. I think the reason is because most of them are from visual novel format, where only the main characters are important and civilian fairly doesn't exist. And it's basically reading, so overly dramatic dialogues work fine. I felt this way with oregairu too. I appreciate the deep lore that it has, but I can't see the anime showed or explained them thoroughly enough (or I'm just braindead and didn't understand the story). But hey, they have waifus so can't complain much. What do guys think? |
| I don't care about them and think they're overrated. How's that? I sampled Fate/Stay and also Zero but ended up dropping both. I even gave the VN a try. It was the worst thing I've ever read. |
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| Jeanne is my favorite character. just look at the first scene. Total badass. Although I think her FGO is kinda eh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az07VPFRmWE Also we need some of the more loli characters like shunten and whoever the chinese one is. |
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| Only really care for those from the Stay Night continuity to be honest, mainly the three story routes of Stay Night and prequel Zero. Could care less for all the spinoffs that have come out for it afterward. |
| I watched the Fate/Stay Night anime (Deen version + Ufotable UBW version), watched the HF movies and read the first two routes (Fate route + UBW route) of the visual novel. I also watched Fate/Zero. The VN is alright, but very exposition-heavy. Also has porn scenes but they are few and far between. It's mostly worth reading the VN for historical reasons as the development of the franchise is pretty interesting. The Deen/Stay Night version is a solid adaptation of the Fate route that incorporated elements from the other two routes to make for a more appealing story. The animation quality is very low compared to the Ufotable adaptations though. Ufotable UBW anime is mainly an animation spectacle, but I found the story a bit lacking. The HF movies by Ufotable are even more of an animation spectacle and I found them pretty decent. The second movie was my favorite. Fate/Zero is by far the best story of the ones I saw (and according to an hardcore Fate fan I asked it's probably the best story in the franchise). Animation is also decent, so if you wanna watch anything Fate related then the one I can recommend the most is this one. It's a prequel though, so there are some references to F/SN, but it's a very self-contained story overall so it's not necessary to know about F/SN to understand what's going on in F/Z. |
| Fate/Zero is pretty much the only one I find decent. |
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Kayle_x_Morgana said: Also we need some of the more loli characters like shunten and whoever the chinese one is. I love shuten and okita-san (yes I'm aoi yuuki enthusiast) |
| I don't know about the conversation thing, I've no clue how people are supposed to speak. I do agree on the civilians thing. I was watching Stay/night UBW, and I found it weird how no-one existed at night, even though Jp has such a big density. It was a bit better in F/Zero, but the bridge confrontation (Rider and Archer) and the warehouse thing (Rider, Berserker, Lancer, Archer and Saber) both lacked other people, which I would have assumed would be there at those times, to some degree. Also an Anime only for this franchise. |
MizunoWaveRider said: Fate/Zero is by far the best story of the ones I saw (and according to an hardcore Fate fan I asked it's probably the best story in the franchise). Animation is also decent, so if you wanna watch anything Fate related then the one I can recommend the most is this one. It's a prequel though, so there are some references to F/SN, but it's a very self-contained story overall so it's not necessary to know about F/SN to understand what's going on in F/Z. I watched all the 3 stay/night routes (I didn't watch deen adaptations unfortunately) + zero and I also prefer zero over SN, but apparently the VN gang aren't agree with that. I think the guy directed Zero is not the original director of SN (Nasu) and he butchered Saber character somehow. (correct me if I'm wrong) |
| I've seen Fate stay night, ubw, and zero, I think they are quite alright. |
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| I have not played any of the VN's or played FGO and I find the fate anime adaptations to be a mixed bag overall. Some I really enjoyed the fate stay night adaptions, Fate Zero and Babylonia. I found the FGO movies to be okay - probably would have enjoyed more had I played the game. I did not enjoy Fate Extra and Apocrypha |
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| They're fine as an action with simple plot which is not that important but it is needed to be there cause when you put a fate with 0 plot it will be trash as Fate/Extra for example so if you need an action to watch casually while you eat or chill at evening fate is a good option for that. |
cinnamonkind said: Yeah F/Z was written by Gen Urobuchi (the guy who also wrote Madoka Magica) and it was originally a LN.I watched all the 3 stay/night routes (I didn't watch deen adaptations unfortunately) + zero and I also prefer zero over SN, but apparently the VN gang aren't agree with that. I think the guy directed Zero is not the original director of SN (Nasu) and he butchered Saber character somehow. (correct me if I'm wrong) You might be correct on the character, I would also say Saber's personality is a little different. In F/SN she's more of a typical kuudere while in F/Z she's less archetypical and more mature, though I always assumed that was mostly because she's not a love-interest in F/Z. It's also hard to imagine F/Z Saber fall in love with Shirou, though that might just be my personal impression. From my experience, most western (casual) viewers seem to prefer F/Z's interpretation of the character and some are even offended by F/SN's version. But I can imagine that hardcore fans of the VN will prefer the original F/SN version, they wouldn't be hardcore fans otherwise. The guy I talked to, while being a hardcore Fate fan, was also more of a critical fan, so he might not be representative of the whole fanbase. I was primarely referencing his opinion because I don't know much outside of F/SN and F/Z and therefore can't tell if F/Z is really the best story the franchise has to offer. |
| think I've seen all of them so far. it's 80% garbage with a few amazing ones. I hated apocrypha the most. the ones who've read the source materials all agree that they're almost all bad as well. |
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| Prisma Illya and Zero are peak. Rest of them are still enjoyable, but pathetic adaptation-wise. |
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| Nobody here mentioned Carnival Phantasm...like what's wrong with you people? |
| Fate/Stay Night is a masterpiece, everything else is a decline after it, Fate/Zero is bad. The Carnivals are fun tho. |
| Some are good, others are horrible abominations of mankind that make you so mad you can spit or say cowabunga cowafuckingpieceofdogshit. As someone who has read the visual novel I consider the good ones to work best as companion meterial though. Watching them on their own is a lesser experience imo but still an effective way to experience what the franchise hasnto offer. |
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| Illya and it's doujins are some of the greatest works of all time. I wish there were more loli yuri in anime |
cinnamonkind said: Yeah he kinda did. I don't read the vn (I read the wiki though) but in the 3 routes of FSN and also other adaptations (FGO, Apocrypha) we know for a fact that King Arthur, when she was alive, was a king praised by her people for her overall perfection. She was the wise king who brought light to her country and prosperity to its people. She was a very kind king and person, that she even let Lancelot who cheated with her wife go (this is mentioned in Fate/Zero during Lancelot's monologue). She was the ideal king. MizunoWaveRider said: Fate/Zero is by far the best story of the ones I saw (and according to an hardcore Fate fan I asked it's probably the best story in the franchise). Animation is also decent, so if you wanna watch anything Fate related then the one I can recommend the most is this one. It's a prequel though, so there are some references to F/SN, but it's a very self-contained story overall so it's not necessary to know about F/SN to understand what's going on in F/Z. I watched all the 3 stay/night routes (I didn't watch deen adaptations unfortunately) + zero and I also prefer zero over SN, but apparently the VN gang aren't agree with that. I think the guy directed Zero is not the original director of SN (Nasu) and he butchered Saber character somehow. (correct me if I'm wrong) Now we see in Fate/Zero, she is treated like a maiden. Iskandar thinks there's something wrong with how Saber ruled her country, an opinion Gilgamesh ultimately disagrees with. Then we see Saber having a breakdown because she finally 'realizes' that what she had been doing her entire life was a mistake. It doesn't sit right with me how they make Saber this frail maiden who didn't know any better about ruling a country when in reality, she wasn't. I could be mistaken, but I think it was Mordred who said that King Arthur was a cold person and never showed human emotion when she was still alive, but that wasn't the case. We see the dialogue between her and Bedivere in the Camelot movie which proves that she does love her country, her knights, and everything in general. It's a bit long, so yeah. |
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| I've watched Fate/Zero, Stay/Night (best op), Unlimited Bladeworks, and then Heaven's Feel. In my opinion, they were great, Heaven's Feel is my favorite out of all of them. |
| Does anyone have that numbers on our much it costs to make these series? They are all extremely good in fighting scenes. no cg trash usually besides the girl in babylon |
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| Absolute garbage, all of them are pathetic. Read the visual novel |
| Uhhhhh.... Fate/Zero was good π |
| I love the fate series. In terms of animation, it literally could not have been better and it was still enjoyable |
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alshu said: Nobody here mentioned Carnival Phantasm...like what's wrong with you people? What about the doujin's and today's menu for the Emiya family |
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| Fate zero > fate stay night Fate stay night ubw series = best fate stay night |
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_Archer008 said: alshu said: Nobody here mentioned Carnival Phantasm...like what's wrong with you people? What about the doujin's and today's menu for the Emiya family No idea about the doujins and Emiya-san Chi no Kyou no Gohan is fine but not mandatory as Carnival Phantasm + Fate/Grand Carnival. |
alshu said: No idea about the doujins and Emiya-san Chi no Kyou no Gohan is fine but not mandatory as Carnival Phantasm + Fate/Grand Carnival. Doujin's are must they add so much to the fate lore ( Ν‘° ΝΚ Ν‘°) |
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The only doujins I care are Touhou Gensou Mangekyou: The Memories of Phantasm and Touhou Niji Sousaku Doujin Anime: Musou Kakyou. |
| i'm only watching for the fate girls |
Yuu_Kanzaki said: It doesn't sit right with me how they make Saber this frail maiden who didn't know any better about ruling a country when in reality, she wasn't. Wasn't her losing her kingdom due to her own failure as a king her entire character crisis in F/SN? |
| cause Im such a cas viewer of anime I literally dont kno & cant remember, which of the fate series I have and have not seen. I keep wanting to make a forum post about finding the one I watched, BUT its so hard to describe caus I feel like everything is all kinda the same...... |
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MizunoWaveRider said: I want to correct myself by saying that Saber does feel regret on her personal failures and for not being able to save the kingdom. However this occurred when she was still alive or should I say near her death, just before she died. If this is the case, then Saber shouldn't be surprised when Iskandar brought up the topic, since she is well aware of these 'failures'. Yuu_Kanzaki said: It doesn't sit right with me how they make Saber this frail maiden who didn't know any better about ruling a country when in reality, she wasn't. Wasn't her losing her kingdom due to her own failure as a king her entire character crisis in F/SN? I also find it weird that, in FSN Saber wishes to rebuild her country (or change its history) but the wiki states at the event of FZ, her wish is to not become a king in the first place. |
| "Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
zenviolet said: I think the first one is FSN (not sure which route) and the second one is Fate/Extra Last Encore. cause Im such a cas viewer of anime I literally dont kno & cant remember, which of the fate series I have and have not seen. I keep wanting to make a forum post about finding the one I watched, BUT its so hard to describe caus I feel like everything is all kinda the same...... |
| "Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
| All are pretty decent actually, only one I really didn't like that much was Fate/extra last encore but Nero had a lot of cute moments so there's that |
| I hate Fate Series. Nothing more to say. |
Yuu_Kanzaki said: Yeah I can see the point. Like she wouldn't argue over what a perfect king is if she was seeing herself as a failure of a king, right?If this is the case, then Saber shouldn't be surprised when Iskandar brought up the topic, since she is well aware of these 'failures'. In that sense, F/Z makes it seem like it's aiming to serve as an explaination for why F/SN Saber has a crisis in the first place. Yuu_Kanzaki said: I also find it weird that, in FSN Saber wishes to rebuild her country (or change its history) but the wiki states at the event of FZ, her wish is to not become a king in the first place. I think that's consistent with F/SN. The whole reason Shirou is so upset over Saber's wish is because she wanted to sacrifice herself for her kingdom due to her regrets as a king. So Saber's goal was to make up for her mistakes by rebuilding her kingdom without her, Shirou's goal was for Saber to forget about her kingdom and stay in his world, and the compromise in the end was that Saber just let her kingdom die while dying in peace herself without regrets. |
PresE2PayRespect said: I think the implication was that she saw that as a part of her failure as a king. Like if she had been a good king it wouldn't have come to that, that's her logic.MizunoWaveRider said: Iirc, Artoria's "failure as a king" was only what she thought doomed Britania. In reality she was a good king and the KOTR fell apart due to Morgan's schemes.Wasn't her losing her kingdom due to her own failure as a king her entire character crisis in F/SN? |
| I found it quite enjoyable. I watched HF3 in cinemas, one of the best films I've ever seen. Astolfo best girl |
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| From what I watched so far, it has been below average IMO, but I'm willing to try a few more fate stuff. Zero and Stay Night were great. (9 and 9) Apocrypha, was weird, kind of ok, but the main character, Sieg, was shit, and the Karma villain was cool, but boring at the same time, as I said, it's weird. Semiramis was great though, wish she was in a better show. (4) Heaven's Feel was bad, it tried to be edgy without a good writing to back it up. I hate Sakura. Tragic backstory, no real content. (all 3s) Last Encore, I didn't like it, the moon thing was a it too much for me, and the overall plot felt meh (3) Grand Order- First Order, I didn't like the setting, the characters, visuals, story, nothing really. (2) |
| I tried some, they shoved a ridiculous amount of exposition down my throat in the most unnatural ways ever (which is clumsy storytelling even in VNs, and even more so in a purely visual medium like anime), all the characters were thoroughly unlikeable which put me off too, and the only reward for pushing through it were some mediocre looking fight scenes (despite all the praise the animation keeps getting). So I dropped it. Maybe it gets better eventually, maybe I'd like some of the other versions, but ultimately...nah, thanks, I'm good. So my - maybe unfair because I didn't consume the whole franchise to get to that conclusion - opinion is: Pretentious, clumsy story with unlikeable, overdramatic characters adapted into a mess of an anime. I've never been fond of game anime adaptations because all the freedom of choice and the potential multiple endings fall by the wayside, even though that's the most fun part about playing a game, but if the alternative is this kind of mess where every ending gets its own seperate anime, movie, etc. ...that's annoying too. Oh yeah, I've also never been a fan of the waifufication of important historical figures or culturally significant items, something that anime is very fond of in general. Feels a bit disrespectful to me, but I knew that it was going to be a thing, so I was prepared for that. Didn't exactly help making the whole thing more enjoyable though. |
| I didn't really find the dialogue in the anime adaptations cheesy or anything, but as much as I like Zero I'll admit that the characters sound extremely pretentious at times. It's not really an issue in Stay Night. Some of the servants talk weirdly but that's because they're from past time periods. Mixed agree/ disagree about the disconnect from the world. At times yeah, you would think that the citizens of fuyuki would see people in cosplay launching magic attacks at each other instead of believing the gas leak excuses. You would think people would think something is up eventually. There is interaction with the world though at times. Zero's finale and Sakura eating hundreds of people in Heavens Feel are pretty big indications of this. VN is good. Flawed, but still good. Anime adaptations aren't very good. The VN contains a ton of exposition and details involving the magic system and world, and the anime adaptations run off the assumption that the viewer read the VN so they skip over most of the details. Not to mention Fate Series in general breaks its rules a lot whenever its necessary for the story. Zero isn't perfect either as Urobuchi took a lot of liberties with Saber's character. Stand- alone it's a masterpiece, but admittedly it doesn't work well in continuity. I'm pretty sure Fate/ Zero is meant to be seen as an AU prequel for a few reasons though, like Saber and Gilgamesh having a full on battle at the end of the 4th Holy Grail War not taking place in Zero 99% of Fate stories outside the main line are dumb fanservice. Fun fanservice admittedly, but you wouldn't gain much from watching them. Heavens Feel VN is probably Nasu's best story but my personal favorite Nasu story is Kara no Kyoukai. |
KayY_YMay 26, 2022 5:24 AM
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| I have watched most of the Fate entries here on MAL, I plan to watch them all and play the original Visual Novel eventually. |
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| Some are great, some are good, some are just ok, and some give me feelings I'm not entirely sure how to feel about. Overall I enjoyed most of this franchise, just not always for the same reason. Interpret that as you will. |
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