Jujutsu Kaisen (TV) Episode 17 Discussion

thiago52192 said:

Or maybe the standards of battle shounen fans have are what I've mentioned earlier: animation. Which also helps explaining KNY rating and sucess on Japan as well. Every enjoyement in any media is about taste. People love stuff like Fast and Furious and Transformers, but that doesn't necesseraly mean they're good written. JJK is pretty much on the same category as those movies. They're fun if you enjoy crazy stuff happening on the screen, but that's about it.

And plot armor is something present in pretty much every story that involves stakes, specially on the main cast. The question is about how was that handled and why was it used. Armin surving on S3P2 is the only time where it heavily needed suspesion of disbelief but that was used to create conflict in one of the best written episodes of 2019: Midnight Sun. If JJK at least tried to compensate its mistakes with something interesting or maybe got more grounded like on Junpei's character deleopment episodes, I could enjoy the series more. Those were definitely the best episodes of the series so far.

SoukaTheReal said:


If it was animation then God of high school; Fire Force; Fate Grand order etc would be praised everywhere... It's not the case right ??? Animation is obviously a major thing in battle shounen but it can't carry a show alone

JJK is a good written battle shounen who uses all the battle shounen's tropes perfectly and that's a fact. Example of great writing : In most battle shounens you have the characters explaining their attacks just for the sake of the viewers but in JJK the author used this trope at his advantage by using the fact that characters revealing their abilities gain a boost, you who cares about writing can aknowlegde that writing right ?

All series have plot armor and you can find them if you look for them but in AOT they're in our faces which is bad And these are just the biggest examples, there's way more minor examples like why the santa titan in s1 didn't ,I think you understand my point now.
And this is just about plot armor, there's also the problem of plot convenience which you can also find in every series but here again they're in our faces in AOT.

thiago52192 said:

The problem of writing of those shows are much bigger than JJK or KNY has, which is why everyone acknowledge it. While the problem of JJK is how it is generic, the problem of the shows is that they either don't even have a structure or they just insert elements with clear inconsistency of the tone, like fanservice in the middle of a serious scene. But even with those problems, they still are considerably praised. Not to this extent, but they definitely are. GoH had a high score in its first episodes for example, and it shows animation is at least what most people need to find enjoyement.

How exactly does gain a boost in power by revealing your ability is good writing? How that creates emotional stakes, tension or conflict in the scene? All this does is tease a sakuga scene.



Also, let's not pretend JJK is a different case, as if you have problems with those scenes, you would have with the MC resurrecting in here.

Look, this discussion will never end because you're emotionally attached to the series, specially by the claim they used tropes perfectly, which show your bias towards it. So the last thing I'm going to say is at least understand that there are people having problems with the writing, and that shouldn't affect your enjoyment, specially since your definition of good writing is clearly different. Like you said, people have different taste and that creates their definition of good writing. Your stakes are more about power structure or incosistencies regarding details outside the emotion of the scene alone, instead of how the series tries to create emotional stakes, tension or powerful dialogues.

Amatniki said:
I just love it when they wont shut up about the backstory of side characters! This arc is ass