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Mar 11, 2021 5:23 PM
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As someone who thought higurashi gou was a remake of the og, and as someone who has no clue what the original is about, someone please tell me what the hell is happening. I'm on ep 23 and all I understand really is festival, cursed spirit, time loop, alternate universe where Satoko and the other girl go to college but Satoko fucks everything up apparently, and neck scratch disease. I haven't read any manga or watched any other of the animes, someone please just explain what is happening.
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Mar 11, 2021 5:48 PM
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I'm so sorry about this...
Mar 11, 2021 5:49 PM
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LeviLeads said:
As someone who thought higurashi gou was a remake of the og, and as someone who has no clue what the original is about, someone please tell me what the hell is happening. I'm on ep 23 and all I understand really is festival, cursed spirit, time loop, alternate universe where Satoko and the other girl go to college but Satoko fucks everything up apparently, and neck scratch disease. I haven't read any manga or watched any other of the animes, someone please just explain what is happening.


I HIGHLY recommend that you watch the original Higurashi anime, and then rewatch all of this. Contrary to what you may have been told, this anime is a sequel period. It is not a remake, and it's not even a compromise between a remake and a sequel. It is a dead-set sequel.

This anime was advertised as a "New Higurashi Project", which everyone, newcomer and returning alike, assumed was a remake. He pulled the rug out from under us, and imo it was a fun prank to keep us on our toes. Unfortunately, newcomers such as yourself got caught in the cross-fire.

Again, I highly recommend that you don't watch Gou any further until you've watched at least the original Higurashi because this is a sequel. You don't just jump into season 2 of Re: Zero without having watched the 1st, and the same applies to Gou.
Mar 11, 2021 5:50 PM
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I'm so sorry. Higurashi gou is the farthest thing away from being a remake



Mar 11, 2021 5:58 PM
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Watch the Original and Kai versions.

This is not a remake. Is a 3rd season. Replacing Rei, apparently.
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Mar 11, 2021 6:04 PM
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To all yous saying to watch the first 2 seasons, I prob won't because animes like this, these psychological horror drama type animes, like this and Re:Zero aren't really my forte and I have about 30 animes next season to watch so I won't have time soon, so I just want to know what happens first and second seasons.
Mar 11, 2021 6:21 PM
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LeviLeads said:
To all yous saying to watch the first 2 seasons, I prob won't because animes like this, these psychological horror drama type animes, like this and Re:Zero aren't really my forte and I have about 30 animes next season to watch so I won't have time soon, so I just want to know what happens first and second seasons.


Totally understandable if psychological horror isn't your forte. If you just want a synopsis of everything that happens, there's a fandom wiki that spells out everything that happens in every arc of the 3 seasons of Higurashi (including OVA) preceding Gou, which you can find here (just click the link to each arc as highlighted in the paragraphs): https://whentheycry.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni_Episodes

That said, it is no substitute for watching the original anime if you really want to enjoy Gou. Understanding and being emotionally connected to the characters is a vital part of Gou's viewing experience; you will not understand Teppei as an abuser and character or have any emotional attachment to Satoko and her plights just from reading a synopsis of events.

Mar 11, 2021 6:44 PM
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Now that's a lotta damage.

Mar 11, 2021 6:46 PM
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Rinkusan said:
LeviLeads said:
To all yous saying to watch the first 2 seasons, I prob won't because animes like this, these psychological horror drama type animes, like this and Re:Zero aren't really my forte and I have about 30 animes next season to watch so I won't have time soon, so I just want to know what happens first and second seasons.


Totally understandable if psychological horror isn't your forte. If you just want a synopsis of everything that happens, there's a fandom wiki that spells out everything that happens in every arc of the 3 seasons of Higurashi (including OVA) preceding Gou, which you can find here (just click the link to each arc as highlighted in the paragraphs): https://whentheycry.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni_Episodes

That said, it is no substitute for watching the original anime if you really want to enjoy Gou. Understanding and being emotionally connected to the characters is a vital part of Gou's viewing experience; you will not understand Teppei as an abuser and character or have any emotional attachment to Satoko and her plights just from reading a synopsis of events.

Fuck Teppei all my homies hate teppei
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Everyone has been telling newcomers to put Gou on hold and watch the original show first for month now
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Mar 11, 2021 6:48 PM
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Comander-07 said:
Everyone has been telling newcomers to put Gou on hold and watch the original show first for month now
I don't do forums so nobody told me nothing I actually told a bunch of my friends to watch higurashi ion think anyone did tho
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LeviLeads said:
Comander-07 said:
Everyone has been telling newcomers to put Gou on hold and watch the original show first for month now
I don't do forums so nobody told me nothing I actually told a bunch of my friends to watch higurashi ion think anyone did tho
well you are on MAL now
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Mar 12, 2021 8:56 AM
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LeviLeads said:
As someone who thought higurashi gou was a remake of the og, and as someone who has no clue what the original is about, someone please tell me what the hell is happening. I'm on ep 23 and all I understand really is festival, cursed spirit, time loop, alternate universe where Satoko and the other girl go to college but Satoko fucks everything up apparently, and neck scratch disease. I haven't read any manga or watched any other of the animes, someone please just explain what is happening.


Im gonna briefly explain everything that happens as well as far as it comes to major plot points within the original that i can understand must be so confusing as a newcomer.
so obviously im literally gonna spoil everything ahead for anyone else that doesnt want to know for some reason.

The original higurashi in S1 starts pretty much like gou does but gou added a couple extra scenes where we go through what are called “question arcs” and then the “answer arcs” which answer the question arcs we were presented with. however, we are not introduced to Rika’s looping until S2 of the original which was a massive change in gou and probably the biggest spoiler you could get when watching S1.

The first three arcs are relatively the same with some big changes at the end of each of them for gou, (so about the first 13 episodes or so for gou, however the third arc which is focused on Satoko has a heavy mix between S1 and S2 in gou) then the next four after that are completely left out of gou in favour for a new storyline, so this is where everything gets confusing, i’ll briefly explain them.

The third arc ends with Satoko pushing Keiichi off a bridge and finding later that the entire village has died to an gas from the swamp as they put it. after that arc we get a 2 episode arc for rika where we see Akasaka meeting a younger version of herself and she tells him a prophecy of her death (relatong to her looping but we dont know that yet). after that is a Shion arc and probably the best imo, we learn that in arc 2, the Mion focused one, that was actually Shion all along pretending to be her and she goes completely yandere for who she loves, which is Satoshi, Satoko’s older brother. Theres so much left out of this in gou which is sad because this shows the struggles between the Sonozakis and their fucked up past, also has the best deaths out of any arc. Then the final one shows Rena going crazy killing her stepmom and then taking the school hostage with the threat of a bomb, Keiichi cuts off the bomb and they have a fight on the rooftop.

Thats pretty much S1 briefly explained (please add to it if you think i missed some things.

Now for S2. Instead of explaining all the arcs i’ll just go over the major points that are revealed to us:

- Rika is a looper going through over 100 years of pain and torture to get out of 1983
- Hanyuu is the Goddess helping her to loop and theres a lot of development for her left out of gou
- Takano is the killer who continuously kills Rika in the loops
- Rika cannot remember everything in the loops which is why it took so long to figure out Takano was the killer
- We see the fucked up childhood of Takano seeing both her parents being dead and she’s moved to an abusive orphanage, later gets adopted by her deceased father’s friend who is researching something called Hinamizawa syndrome, which Takano later also pursues but she goes so crazy as to kill Rika to discover more (i’ll get onto that in the next point) becoming engulfed in her work.
- Hinamizawa syndrome is what is making everyone go crazy and believed to be “Oyashiros curse” e.g in the first arc Keiichi was the one going crazy, not Mion and Rena. What causes people to get Hinamizawa syndrome is believed to be at first leaving the village, but its actually the fact that Rika is known as the “Queen carrier” which keeps everyone in the village safe from the syndrome due to being near her, so of course whenever Takano keeps killing her, that makes a complete disaster in Hinamizawa where everyone ends up dying so thats why Rika cannot leave

Well i dont think i can consider this “brief” anymore but there was still a lot i had left out, i hope this helps at least, (if i missed something major please tell me anyone else)
Mar 12, 2021 2:13 PM
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Swindler04 said:
LeviLeads said:
As someone who thought higurashi gou was a remake of the og, and as someone who has no clue what the original is about, someone please tell me what the hell is happening. I'm on ep 23 and all I understand really is festival, cursed spirit, time loop, alternate universe where Satoko and the other girl go to college but Satoko fucks everything up apparently, and neck scratch disease. I haven't read any manga or watched any other of the animes, someone please just explain what is happening.


Im gonna briefly explain everything that happens as well as far as it comes to major plot points within the original that i can understand must be so confusing as a newcomer.
so obviously im literally gonna spoil everything ahead for anyone else that doesnt want to know for some reason.

The original higurashi in S1 starts pretty much like gou does but gou added a couple extra scenes where we go through what are called “question arcs” and then the “answer arcs” which answer the question arcs we were presented with. however, we are not introduced to Rika’s looping until S2 of the original which was a massive change in gou and probably the biggest spoiler you could get when watching S1.

The first three arcs are relatively the same with some big changes at the end of each of them for gou, (so about the first 13 episodes or so for gou, however the third arc which is focused on Satoko has a heavy mix between S1 and S2 in gou) then the next four after that are completely left out of gou in favour for a new storyline, so this is where everything gets confusing, i’ll briefly explain them.

The third arc ends with Satoko pushing Keiichi off a bridge and finding later that the entire village has died to an gas from the swamp as they put it. after that arc we get a 2 episode arc for rika where we see Akasaka meeting a younger version of herself and she tells him a prophecy of her death (relatong to her looping but we dont know that yet). after that is a Shion arc and probably the best imo, we learn that in arc 2, the Mion focused one, that was actually Shion all along pretending to be her and she goes completely yandere for who she loves, which is Satoshi, Satoko’s older brother. Theres so much left out of this in gou which is sad because this shows the struggles between the Sonozakis and their fucked up past, also has the best deaths out of any arc. Then the final one shows Rena going crazy killing her stepmom and then taking the school hostage with the threat of a bomb, Keiichi cuts off the bomb and they have a fight on the rooftop.

Thats pretty much S1 briefly explained (please add to it if you think i missed some things.

Now for S2. Instead of explaining all the arcs i’ll just go over the major points that are revealed to us:

- Rika is a looper going through over 100 years of pain and torture to get out of 1983
- Hanyuu is the Goddess helping her to loop and theres a lot of development for her left out of gou
- Takano is the killer who continuously kills Rika in the loops
- Rika cannot remember everything in the loops which is why it took so long to figure out Takano was the killer
- We see the fucked up childhood of Takano seeing both her parents being dead and she’s moved to an abusive orphanage, later gets adopted by her deceased father’s friend who is researching something called Hinamizawa syndrome, which Takano later also pursues but she goes so crazy as to kill Rika to discover more (i’ll get onto that in the next point) becoming engulfed in her work.
- Hinamizawa syndrome is what is making everyone go crazy and believed to be “Oyashiros curse” e.g in the first arc Keiichi was the one going crazy, not Mion and Rena. What causes people to get Hinamizawa syndrome is believed to be at first leaving the village, but its actually the fact that Rika is known as the “Queen carrier” which keeps everyone in the village safe from the syndrome due to being near her, so of course whenever Takano keeps killing her, that makes a complete disaster in Hinamizawa where everyone ends up dying so thats why Rika cannot leave

Well i dont think i can consider this “brief” anymore but there was still a lot i had left out, i hope this helps at least, (if i missed something major please tell me anyone else)
Sounds pretty complicated I think imma just finish gou and not watch the rest for a long time cuz next season is pretty lit
Mar 13, 2021 12:36 PM

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Comander-07 said:
Everyone has been telling newcomers to put Gou on hold and watch the original show first for month now


Hello fellows! Now is my time!
I was "committed" to watch this anime (Gou), but when I was searching I found, like, a total of... 100 eps (Gou included), 10 ep size OVA/special, 50 1min. specials and 1 ova/movie (50 min)...

As a perfectionist on anime as I am, especially because I want to understand the story in every bit, I decide (of course) to watch them all (like catching pokemon). The problem is... this series...
I'm at ep 4 of the original and the guy just kill the girls and died. To my surprise... the next ep (still didn't watch) seems that it starts all over again, BUT with other story (related or not to the first one). Like Levi-chan said horror/psych-horror is not my cup of tea at all, too dumb ppl making too dumb choices... So now I have a dilemma, is this series worth it or not? As I said before this is 110 eps, and two 50min movies series, and I have detective Conan 1000 ep run and one piece that I also like to watch again from the start (mind you that if I said that I was committed to watch this series is because I have time to do that!)
I like a good story, no matter what type the story is, but it needs to be GOOD, and it needs to be committed to that story... Abandoning the story after the end of the 4th ep... I think you could understand my concerns... It's, by my calculation, 2420 mins (~22mins ep) + 100 mins = 2520 mins total...

My question is easy:
Is this series worth it?
(Divide the series by seasons is not an option, the question is to ALL of them)
(BTW I don't read mangas/VN. Please have that in mind.)
r_justoMar 13, 2021 12:39 PM
For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations.
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r_justo said:
Comander-07 said:
Everyone has been telling newcomers to put Gou on hold and watch the original show first for month now


Hello fellows! Now is my time!
I was "committed" to watch this anime (Gou), but when I was searching I found, like, a total of... 100 eps (Gou included), 10 ep size OVA/special, 50 1min. specials and 1 ova/movie (50 min)...

As a perfectionist on anime as I am, especially because I want to understand the story in every bit, I decide (of course) to watch them all (like catching pokemon). The problem is... this series...
I'm at ep 4 of the original and the guy just kill the girls and died. To my surprise... the next ep (still didn't watch) seems that it starts all over again, BUT with other story (related or not to the first one). Like Levi-chan said horror/psych-horror is not my cup of tea at all, too dumb ppl making too dumb choices... So now I have a dilemma, is this series worth it or not? As I said before this is 110 eps, and two 50min movies series, and I have detective Conan 1000 ep run and one piece that I also like to watch again from the start (mind you that if I said that I was committed to watch this series is because I have time to do that!)
I like a good story, no matter what type the story is, but it needs to be GOOD, and it needs to be committed to that story... Abandoning the story after the end of the 4th ep... I think you could understand my concerns... It's, by my calculation, 2420 mins (~22mins ep) + 100 mins = 2520 mins total...

My question is easy:
Is this series worth it?
(Divide the series by seasons is not an option, the question is to ALL of them)
(BTW I don't read mangas/VN. Please have that in mind.)
Well first of all, to the question "is this series worth it?" it's ofc quite objective question. And in my personal sophisticated opinion, one of who has seen over 1000 animes. Yes.
Higurashi is worth it by itself, and even comparing to anime overall.

If Horror/psych-horror isn't your cup of tea, then it might be slightly problematic. However you did support that view up with "too dumb ppl making too dumb chocies", that isn't the case in this story.

The form and composition of the story (being in arcs, as you saw start again in ep5) has been one the biggest obstacles for new watchers.
But it supports the overall mystery well. You're supposed to "see things in different pov" so to say, what changes, what stays the same, what new stories unfold to figure out whats going on, as you continue the story.

I haven't watched Conan myself, but from what I've understood, that's more of a episodic mystery show.
Higurashi you could consider somewhat episodes (like first 4 eps being an episode) yet all the episodes are tied together as continuity of one big mystery.

It will be dark, there will be blood, but the mystery within is good, and it will make you think about it (if you want to think about it) and even compare it to real world.
It might have it's problems, but they aren't the same that your usual b-flick mystery/horror shows has.

TL:DR
Yes it's worth it
and it will likely be something you haven't ever seen before.

Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids.
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Hulio said:
r_justo said:


Hello fellows! Now is my time!
I was "committed" to watch this anime (Gou), but when I was searching I found, like, a total of... 100 eps (Gou included), 10 ep size OVA/special, 50 1min. specials and 1 ova/movie (50 min)...

As a perfectionist on anime as I am, especially because I want to understand the story in every bit, I decide (of course) to watch them all (like catching pokemon). The problem is... this series...
I'm at ep 4 of the original and the guy just kill the girls and died. To my surprise... the next ep (still didn't watch) seems that it starts all over again, BUT with other story (related or not to the first one). Like Levi-chan said horror/psych-horror is not my cup of tea at all, too dumb ppl making too dumb choices... So now I have a dilemma, is this series worth it or not? As I said before this is 110 eps, and two 50min movies series, and I have detective Conan 1000 ep run and one piece that I also like to watch again from the start (mind you that if I said that I was committed to watch this series is because I have time to do that!)
I like a good story, no matter what type the story is, but it needs to be GOOD, and it needs to be committed to that story... Abandoning the story after the end of the 4th ep... I think you could understand my concerns... It's, by my calculation, 2420 mins (~22mins ep) + 100 mins = 2520 mins total...

My question is easy:
Is this series worth it?
(Divide the series by seasons is not an option, the question is to ALL of them)
(BTW I don't read mangas/VN. Please have that in mind.)
Well first of all, to the question "is this series worth it?" it's ofc quite objective question. And in my personal sophisticated opinion, one of who has seen over 1000 animes. Yes.
Higurashi is worth it by itself, and even comparing to anime overall.

If Horror/psych-horror isn't your cup of tea, then it might be slightly problematic. However you did support that view up with "too dumb ppl making too dumb chocies", that isn't the case in this story.

The form and composition of the story (being in arcs, as you saw start again in ep5) has been one the biggest obstacles for new watchers.
But it supports the overall mystery well. You're supposed to "see things in different pov" so to say, what changes, what stays the same, what new stories unfold to figure out whats going on, as you continue the story.

I haven't watched Conan myself, but from what I've understood, that's more of a episodic mystery show.
Higurashi you could consider somewhat episodes (like first 4 eps being an episode) yet all the episodes are tied together as continuity of one big mystery.

It will be dark, there will be blood, but the mystery within is good, and it will make you think about it (if you want to think about it) and even compare it to real world.
It might have it's problems, but they aren't the same that your usual b-flick mystery/horror shows has.

TL:DR
Yes it's worth it
and it will likely be something you haven't ever seen before.


Thank you for your answer.
As for the explanation, I guess I couldn't hope for a better one (saying everything it needs without spoilers), and for that, you have my full appreciation.

I think I will stick with it, right now I'm starting ep 7 of the original, and let's see what will happen. As for gore, dark, blood, all of that, it will vanish the initial "feelings" about it, pretty much like seeing blood IRL operation, or seeing people naked, at some point you just get used to it (even if you don't like it).

My only concern is the sense of accomplishment... The main problem that I have with this "episodic mystery show" around a big main mystery is that normally they let the "mystery" to be solved (to have a solution), leading every time to what it could be called a "bad ending".
If in the end (even if it's in the very VERY end) you could have a sense of accomplishment, and ""too dumb ppl making too dumb choices", that isn't the case in this story", I guess this could be a good experience... And I will stick with it!
For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations.
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r_justo said:
My only concern is the sense of accomplishment... The main problem that I have with this "episodic mystery show" around a big main mystery is that normally they let the "mystery" to be solved (to have a solution), leading every time to what it could be called a "bad ending".
If in the end (even if it's in the very VERY end) you could have a sense of accomplishment, and ""too dumb ppl making too dumb choices", that isn't the case in this story", I guess this could be a good experience... And I will stick with it!
I watched the anime before I read the VN, and at least I felt sense of accomplishment/realization or something along the lines (some of which happened way before the end).
What comes to the mystery, the biggest problem here is time. You could easily finish the whole first season before you would read through the first chapter. If you don't stop for a second to think, you won't have much time to think.

The Mystery in the original is great because the events are extremely inconspicuous (unlike GOU which is very conspicuous), you won't necessarily even know what you're looking for.

Seeing that you're on the ep7, I can say that in my opinion the 2nd anime chapter was the worst, so it will only be an uphill road from now on.
Also don't know if you watched them, but the preview section is spoiler free, and gives some poem type of "hints"/statements which I could recommend watching for enhanced meta/lore/or whatever they were again, just some little extra nice stuff.

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LeviLeads said:
As someone who thought higurashi gou was a remake of the og, and as someone who has no clue what the original is about, someone please tell me what the hell is happening. I'm on ep 23 and all I understand really is festival, cursed spirit, time loop, alternate universe where Satoko and the other girl go to college but Satoko fucks everything up apparently, and neck scratch disease. I haven't read any manga or watched any other of the animes, someone please just explain what is happening.
so I'm a new watcher also I haven't watched the first 2 seasons as yet and I don't plan to but let me give u a real understanding from someone who's starting it like u so if u remembered what happened in episode 17 where rika found out that satoko was time looping just like her it ended with that cliffhanger but starting at episode 18 is actually a flash back before what happened in episode 17 and onward they show u how satoko gained the powers to time loop and how she's using it. If you've seen the opening theme of the anime it is basically singing about satoko which is "I believe what you said" meaning that when rika promised to stay by satoko's side even when they are in high school and she won't ever leave her, rika broke that promise in which u can see her being surrounded by the other girls girls and then there's this part in the opening where rika was running up the hill and it means she's chasing after the dream to leave hinamizawa and attend at lucia highschool but satoko won't let her because satoko is selfish and wants rika for herself anyways that's all

Rinkusan said:
LeviLeads said:
As someone who thought higurashi gou was a remake of the og, and as someone who has no clue what the original is about, someone please tell me what the hell is happening. I'm on ep 23 and all I understand really is festival, cursed spirit, time loop, alternate universe where Satoko and the other girl go to college but Satoko fucks everything up apparently, and neck scratch disease. I haven't read any manga or watched any other of the animes, someone please just explain what is happening.


I HIGHLY recommend that you watch the original Higurashi anime, and then rewatch all of this. Contrary to what you may have been told, this anime is a sequel period. It is not a remake, and it's not even a compromise between a remake and a sequel. It is a dead-set sequel.

This anime was advertised as a "New Higurashi Project", which everyone, newcomer and returning alike, assumed was a remake. He pulled the rug out from under us, and imo it was a fun prank to keep us on our toes. Unfortunately, newcomers such as yourself got caught in the cross-fire.

Again, I highly recommend that you don't watch Gou any further until you've watched at least the original Higurashi because this is a sequel. You don't just jump into season 2 of Re: Zero without having watched the 1st, and the same applies to Gou.
I haven't watched the two first season and I don't plan to mainly because of the animation and character design but I understand everything what's happening so far I almost dropped it at episode 18 because after episode 17 I didn't quite understand what was happening from there but I continued and I understand like it isn't really a sequel from what I've heard and read they say it's a rebuild so new comers of higurashi and revisitors of it can watch but generally u gave a bad example like rezero if ur new and haven't heard about higurashi and u see it airing and u decide to start it and didn't know that there were 2 other seasons before it u wouldn't know because it isn't labelled as s3 but instead gou as for rezero it is labelled as s2 so u must know that there is a season 1 right that's common sense cause I never knew there was 2 seasons before this one so I started from gou and understand everything what's going on yk


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Hulio said:

What comes to the mystery, the biggest problem here is time. You could easily finish the whole first season before you would read through the first chapter. If you don't stop for a second to think, you won't have much time to think.

The Mystery in the original is great because the events are extremely inconspicuous (unlike GOU which is very conspicuous), you won't necessarily even know what you're looking for.

Seeing that you're on the ep7, I can say that in my opinion the 2nd anime chapter was the worst, so it will only be an uphill road from now on.
Also don't know if you watched them, but the preview section is spoiler free, and gives some poem type of "hints"/statements which I could recommend watching for enhanced meta/lore/or whatever they were again, just some little extra nice stuff.


Okay, thanks for the advice... Although... Time is not the problem...

When people see some series they enjoy doing that (their cup of tea) or they are curious about something in that, in my case the mystery and how it can be solved... This series has (at least for me) one particular problem... Each arc is not solvable! But it leads you to some more clues to a bigger event and is THAT event that I'm focusing on. In each arc, I already know people will die and will respawn in the next arc as nothing happens, so I only retain (mainly) what could be used in the next arc, although for that I need to focus on the current arc and all of what is happening.

The problem with this series is that it dulls my feelings, I care less and less if people die, with the gore it makes me care less how they die, at some point, I really wish them to die for the arc to pass and reveal the secrets it needs to. Death itself doesn't have a meaning, life, on the other hand, has until the point when it ceases. By "reborn" the characters, they make them even meaningless, making them only to pass the time in the story timeline.

I know this is just dulling the feelings, but it has a valid point. In a war, you send your people to die, no matter how easy or hard to win the war is, no matter if it's a necessary war or is just some egoistical wish, in the end, you are sending people, not only to kill but to die. And their death doesn't mean anything, what they do before they died means. And the war itself only passes by the nº of deaths, even if the time itself passes, the war doesn't until more bodies fall, more battles fought, more people will be sent to die.
That feeling I'm used to, like Code Geass or Death Note, people unfortunately got and will get killed and in each kill, some of them meaningless others made for you to get some information, the time pass and the plot just evolve. You could say that when people die it has some meaning then, and for that, I'm just saying that is not their death that as a value but their actions before that death, no matter who's dying, what they did in life (especially that lead them to their deaths) make that character have or not meaning.

With that explanation, I can go on. The problem with this series is EVEN THE LIVES of the people don't have meaning, because they will undoubtedly respawn next time. Unlike for example Code Geass, where Lelouch leads his friends to their deaths (especially Euphemia, which was a mistake of his), or Death Note, where you have Light lead his dad to be killed (or even kills him, I don't remember) just for his plan to work; this series the people died and... that's it. You know that some people (specific people or even random people) will die but it only for you to figures a bigger thing.

As for now (I'm at ep 15), I already know almost everything I need to "solve" this... thing... My goal in "solving" is to end this loop, and for it to not repeat with others. And I know what needs to be done.



Now you have the solution! The goal to solve this thing!
Now I will see how much of the ""too dumb ppl making too dumb choices", that isn't the case in this story" statement is true.
I figured this out at ep 14. Let us see how much it needs for the others to figure that out. (and let's don't count on the actual solution, this series has 4 seasons as a whole... I don't have many hopes for that -.-)

PS: Let's remind everyone that this is just logic (the thing you use to solve cases and mysteries), The solution/problem could be different, by some ingenious (or also some dumb) writing from the author, things could be not as it seems to be in my "solution" (although I'm pretty sure I nailed it in some of the points). In any case, that's my "pre-gnostic" of this problem/solution... at ep 14 of the original season... let's see what will happen, shall we??
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r_justo said:
Comander-07 said:
Everyone has been telling newcomers to put Gou on hold and watch the original show first for month now


Hello fellows! Now is my time!
I was "committed" to watch this anime (Gou), but when I was searching I found, like, a total of... 100 eps (Gou included), 10 ep size OVA/special, 50 1min. specials and 1 ova/movie (50 min)...

As a perfectionist on anime as I am, especially because I want to understand the story in every bit, I decide (of course) to watch them all (like catching pokemon). The problem is... this series...
I'm at ep 4 of the original and the guy just kill the girls and died. To my surprise... the next ep (still didn't watch) seems that it starts all over again, BUT with other story (related or not to the first one). Like Levi-chan said horror/psych-horror is not my cup of tea at all, too dumb ppl making too dumb choices... So now I have a dilemma, is this series worth it or not? As I said before this is 110 eps, and two 50min movies series, and I have detective Conan 1000 ep run and one piece that I also like to watch again from the start (mind you that if I said that I was committed to watch this series is because I have time to do that!)
I like a good story, no matter what type the story is, but it needs to be GOOD, and it needs to be committed to that story... Abandoning the story after the end of the 4th ep... I think you could understand my concerns... It's, by my calculation, 2420 mins (~22mins ep) + 100 mins = 2520 mins total...

My question is easy:
Is this series worth it?
(Divide the series by seasons is not an option, the question is to ALL of them)
(BTW I don't read mangas/VN. Please have that in mind.)
Yes absolutely worth it, though season 1 is more psycho horror while season 2 becomes sort of thriller. If Gou will be worth it remains to be seen.

But Higurashi and Higurashi Kai are great.
"This emotion is mine alone.
It is for Madoka alone." - Homura
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Anyone who is watching Gou (S3) but haven't seen the originals; STOP WATCHING GOU and get going on S1 and S2! They are modern mystery masterpieces and it will make Gou waaaaaaay more enjoyable.
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LeviLeads said:
As someone who thought higurashi gou was a remake of the og, and as someone who has no clue what the original is about, someone please tell me what the hell is happening. I'm on ep 23 and all I understand really is festival, cursed spirit, time loop, alternate universe where Satoko and the other girl go to college but Satoko fucks everything up apparently, and neck scratch disease. I haven't read any manga or watched any other of the animes, someone please just explain what is happening.


I HIGHLY recommend that you watch the original Higurashi anime, and then rewatch all of this. Contrary to what you may have been told, this anime is a sequel period. It is not a remake, and it's not even a compromise between a remake and a sequel. It is a dead-set sequel.

This anime was advertised as a "New Higurashi Project", which everyone, newcomer and returning alike, assumed was a remake. He pulled the rug out from under us, and imo it was a fun prank to keep us on our toes. Unfortunately, newcomers such as yourself got caught in the cross-fire.

Again, I highly recommend that you don't watch Gou any further until you've watched at least the original Higurashi because this is a sequel. You don't just jump into season 2 of Re: Zero without having watched the 1st, and the same applies to Gou.

You recommend the person to not watch any further, when the person is on the second to last episode? I mean, might as well watch that last episode as well, no? Though it feels like there should be 3-4 more episodes, not just one, how will they wrap up the story with just 20 minutes left? Feels like it's doomed to either get a rushed ending or a cliffhanger to tease a sequel...

Moriarty_1 said:
so I'm a new watcher also I haven't watched the first 2 seasons as yet and I don't plan to but let me give u a real understanding from someone who's starting it like u so if u remembered what happened in episode 17 where rika found out that satoko was time looping just like her it ended with that cliffhanger but starting at episode 18 is actually a flash back before what happened in episode 17 and onward they show u how satoko gained the powers to time loop and how she's using it. If you've seen the opening theme of the anime it is basically singing about satoko which is "I believe what you said" meaning that when rika promised to stay by satoko's side even when they are in high school and she won't ever leave her, rika broke that promise in which u can see her being surrounded by the other girls girls and then there's this part in the opening where rika was running up the hill and it means she's chasing after the dream to leave hinamizawa and attend at lucia highschool but satoko won't let her because satoko is selfish and wants rika for herself anyways that's all I can explain

Incoming wall of text and some prequel spoilers

Rika never broke her promise, she offered help multiple times but was rejected, she tried to include Satoko in the group but Satoko declined her efforts (though i understand this, i also wouldn't want to be in a group where i don't feel welcome).

In the end, Satoko got expelled because one in Rika's group told on her behind Rika's back (something said person knew only because Rika defended Satoko's antics, by praising her), which led to the misunderstanding that broke Satoko; Satoko thinks Rika betrayed her. Even if you could argue Rika is the reason Satoko got found out, you could also argue that the members in the group likely would've pinned it on her anyway even if Rika didn't tell them about (and praised) her mischievous side.

Regardless, this turn two strong wills in opposite directions, Rika wants to leave Hinamizawa and experience a normal childhood without all the death and despair, and she wants to spend that time with one of her best friends, who she have technically known for over a hundred years. While Satoko wants to stay in Hinamizawa and have a peaceful childhood with Rika away from Lucia high-school (she fears being betrayed again).

One side wants to leave, and one wants to stay, both want the other to be with them. Rika had the advantage of experience, seeing as she have looped for over a hundred years, but the disadvantage that she don't retain the memory of the last few hours before her death. Hanyuu (Rika's guardian deity) sacrifice the remainder of her power to allow Rika to remember the moments before her death, seemingly realizing that another time-looper is the cause of the disturbances and tell Rika about where the sword/shard to sever a time-loopers powers are. Rika interpet this as Hanyuu saying that if Rika give up, she will have the means to end it, since Rika is unaware of the existence of other time-loopers.

The playing field by episode 17, before the flashback starts, is equal. Rika no longer have the advantage of experience as Satoko have watched the entirety of Rika's time-loops and the disadvantage of memory loss is gone. However, there is a glaring plot-hole here. In previous seasons, it's explicitly stated that Hanyuu retains all her memories and can live on after Rika passes away (she stays with Rika's friends to witness how they cope after the disaster, i could be misremembering the latter part though). I think it's stated that Rika does not remember the last few hours before her death. But it turns out the reason Rika does not know who is killing her and why Hanyuu can't witness it is because Hanyuu and Rika share sensory perception, when Rika get drunk, so does Hanyuu, if Rika is tranquilized, so is Hanyuu. And as chance have it, before Rika was killed, she was always tranquilized, or she was killed by one of her friends, when Rika finally was able to convince her pursuers to let her stay awake when they killed her, Hanyuu was able to witness who the real culprit is, leading to the season 2 finale. Hanyuu can't leave the realm of shards after expending a lot of her power in the season 2 finale, but she should still be perfectly able to observe what happens to Rika.

So the question is, why doesn't Hanyuu tell Rika about the event? She witnessed it, Rika was not tranquilized, is she afraid Rika would break if she told her? Or did she maybe just discard it as a Hinamizawa syndrome relapse? But Satoko should have been completely cured already according to Irie. It's entirely possible she just doesn't know Satoko is the new time-looper (though she obviously suspect or know there is one) and realizing her power is almost spent and she would be unable to stay with Rika for much longer anyway, she, in an attempt to allow Rika to seize her own fate, sacrifice what power she have left. But why, then, didn't she just outright talk about her suspicion?

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Anyone who is watching Gou (S3) but haven't seen the originals; STOP WATCHING GOU and get going on S1 and S2! They are modern mystery masterpieces and it will make Gou waaaaaaay more enjoyable.
Dont rlly got time to watch s1 or s2 and honestly I get most of what's happening in gou with the time loop
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Hulio said:

What comes to the mystery, the biggest problem here is time. You could easily finish the whole first season before you would read through the first chapter. If you don't stop for a second to think, you won't have much time to think.

The Mystery in the original is great because the events are extremely inconspicuous (unlike GOU which is very conspicuous), you won't necessarily even know what you're looking for.

Seeing that you're on the ep7, I can say that in my opinion the 2nd anime chapter was the worst, so it will only be an uphill road from now on.
Also don't know if you watched them, but the preview section is spoiler free, and gives some poem type of "hints"/statements which I could recommend watching for enhanced meta/lore/or whatever they were again, just some little extra nice stuff.


Okay, thanks for the advice... Although... Time is not the problem...

When people see some series they enjoy doing that (their cup of tea) or they are curious about something in that, in my case the mystery and how it can be solved... This series has (at least for me) one particular problem... Each arc is not solvable! But it leads you to some more clues to a bigger event and is THAT event that I'm focusing on. In each arc, I already know people will die and will respawn in the next arc as nothing happens, so I only retain (mainly) what could be used in the next arc, although for that I need to focus on the current arc and all of what is happening.

The problem with this series is that it dulls my feelings, I care less and less if people die, with the gore it makes me care less how they die, at some point, I really wish them to die for the arc to pass and reveal the secrets it needs to. Death itself doesn't have a meaning, life, on the other hand, has until the point when it ceases. By "reborn" the characters, they make them even meaningless, making them only to pass the time in the story timeline.

I know this is just dulling the feelings, but it has a valid point. In a war, you send your people to die, no matter how easy or hard to win the war is, no matter if it's a necessary war or is just some egoistical wish, in the end, you are sending people, not only to kill but to die. And their death doesn't mean anything, what they do before they died means. And the war itself only passes by the nº of deaths, even if the time itself passes, the war doesn't until more bodies fall, more battles fought, more people will be sent to die.
That feeling I'm used to, like Code Geass or Death Note, people unfortunately got and will get killed and in each kill, some of them meaningless others made for you to get some information, the time pass and the plot just evolve. You could say that when people die it has some meaning then, and for that, I'm just saying that is not their death that as a value but their actions before that death, no matter who's dying, what they did in life (especially that lead them to their deaths) make that character have or not meaning.

With that explanation, I can go on. The problem with this series is EVEN THE LIVES of the people don't have meaning, because they will undoubtedly respawn next time. Unlike for example Code Geass, where Lelouch leads his friends to their deaths (especially Euphemia, which was a mistake of his), or Death Note, where you have Light lead his dad to be killed (or even kills him, I don't remember) just for his plan to work; this series the people died and... that's it. You know that some people (specific people or even random people) will die but it only for you to figures a bigger thing.

As for now (I'm at ep 15), I already know almost everything I need to "solve" this... thing... My goal in "solving" is to end this loop, and for it to not repeat with others. And I know what needs to be done.



Now you have the solution! The goal to solve this thing!
Now I will see how much of the ""too dumb ppl making too dumb choices", that isn't the case in this story" statement is true.
I figured this out at ep 14. Let us see how much it needs for the others to figure that out. (and let's don't count on the actual solution, this series has 4 seasons as a whole... I don't have many hopes for that -.-)

PS: Let's remind everyone that this is just logic (the thing you use to solve cases and mysteries), The solution/problem could be different, by some ingenious (or also some dumb) writing from the author, things could be not as it seems to be in my "solution" (although I'm pretty sure I nailed it in some of the points). In any case, that's my "pre-gnostic" of this problem/solution... at ep 14 of the original season... let's see what will happen, shall we??


What did I just read?

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What did I just read?



Theories are hard to fulfill, to understand... to be coherent... Although, even after completing the 1st season, I stick with that theory!

That statement that I just wrote also means that my initial fear was right... at the end of the 1st season, I still don't have any sense of accomplishment... As the feelings getting dull from the killings and all the gore, I can't care less for the characters, and the plot I wanted to solve, was not even mentioned after the 14th ep (not in a way that really tells you something that you can use to solve it).

WTF is that curse? Why people have to die/disappear? Why those specific people and how it that happens? What can it be done to stop that? What WILL be done to stop that?
All this remains to be explained AND I don't think I have the will to watch another 20ish something eps season just to remain the same...

So, yh! That's pretty much about it! Enjoy xD
For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations.
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r_justo said:
Comander-07 said:
Everyone has been telling newcomers to put Gou on hold and watch the original show first for month now


Hello fellows! Now is my time!
I was "committed" to watch this anime (Gou), but when I was searching I found, like, a total of... 100 eps (Gou included), 10 ep size OVA/special, 50 1min. specials and 1 ova/movie (50 min)...

As a perfectionist on anime as I am, especially because I want to understand the story in every bit, I decide (of course) to watch them all (like catching pokemon). The problem is... this series...
I'm at ep 4 of the original and the guy just kill the girls and died. To my surprise... the next ep (still didn't watch) seems that it starts all over again, BUT with other story (related or not to the first one). Like Levi-chan said horror/psych-horror is not my cup of tea at all, too dumb ppl making too dumb choices... So now I have a dilemma, is this series worth it or not? As I said before this is 110 eps, and two 50min movies series, and I have detective Conan 1000 ep run and one piece that I also like to watch again from the start (mind you that if I said that I was committed to watch this series is because I have time to do that!)
I like a good story, no matter what type the story is, but it needs to be GOOD, and it needs to be committed to that story... Abandoning the story after the end of the 4th ep... I think you could understand my concerns... It's, by my calculation, 2420 mins (~22mins ep) + 100 mins = 2520 mins total...

My question is easy:
Is this series worth it?
(Divide the series by seasons is not an option, the question is to ALL of them)
(BTW I don't read mangas/VN. Please have that in mind.)


Someone probably already will have explained it to you but. basically its a very well written story. even now, you see little details everywhere teasing you about this and that (im not saying cuz spoilers)

if I were to explain higurashi, id say the first season is the questions arcs. its the arcs where they present you the problematic. likely youll ask yourself, "why is it repeating" and youll see some weird details. but its from meakashi-hen (eye-opening) that it the story begins to unravel. (episode 16 of the first season). then you enter the answer arcs. where all (or most) of your questions you'd been wondering in the question arcs are answered. like why its repeating or why its always SPECIFICALLY that time period. theres then the oval that are, to me, little teasers for other little clues you might notice after also watching Umineko..... COUGHCOUGHBERNCOUGHCOUGH....

so to resume my answer. higurashi is more than worth it. its been around quite a while and still is relevant. and the seasons are season 1, question arcs, season 2, answer arcs and now we are at season 3 with a connection to Um---COUGH COUGH. im not saying.

if u won't watch it now, you can later but the thing that is so beautiful with this series is all the little teasing and the seemingness desorder is so well wrapped up that u just cant believe the occurence...(even if gou spoiled some of the plot twists)

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You recommend the person to not watch any further, when the person is on the second to last episode? I mean, might as well watch that last episode as well, no? Though it feels like there should be 3-4 more episodes, not just one, how will they wrap up the story with just 20 minutes left? Feels like it's doomed to either get a rushed ending or a cliffhanger to tease a sequel...


I think at the time I wrote that comment, I just assumed Gou would be getting its own Kai/season 2 version. Supposedly though, Gou is planned for a 3rd cour of at least 6 more episodes according to a TV network schedule leak from what I understand.
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r_justo said:
This series has (at least for me) one particular problem... Each arc is not solvable! But it leads you to some more clues to a bigger event and is THAT event that I'm focusing on.
As far as I remember each arc should be solvable by themselves (even in Anime), but by no means is it easy. Might be closer to impossible, but still possible. The main point indeed is to focus on big picture, like where you've been focusing on

The problem with this series is that it dulls my feelings, I care less and less if people die, with the gore it makes me care less how they die, at some point, I really wish them to die for the arc to pass and reveal the secrets it needs to. Death itself doesn't have a meaning, life, on the other hand, has until the point when it ceases.
Yeah I do get this point. A bit like how in Game of Thrones, at first the deaths were shocking, then you remained tense as anyone could die at any point, but towards the end all deaths started to feel forced and meaningless.

Here you might start to feel even less cause of the "respawning".
But maybe eventually you will start feeling for the characters again. Only time and progress will tell.

As for now (I'm at ep 15), I already know almost everything I need to "solve" this... thing... My goal in "solving" is to end this loop, and for it to not repeat with others. And I know what needs to be done.
That's interesting, and I doubt that. But let's see.

Theory said:
I do see where you're coming from, but don't stop thinking, I'd say the theory is still a bit lacking. The bones are there, but could still flesh it out.

THAT exists and THAT has an objective, might be so, but doesn't say much.
Usually classical mysteries have some basic questions to be answered by mininum before they are "solved".
Alibi, Motive and Modus Operandi.
Motive you had tackled down pretty solidly, but Alibi would need proof of existence, and MO some detailing aswell.

One question I could throw for you is, does your theory explain everything that is missing explanation in the story for you?

Back in the day the Forums were on fire, everyone debating their theories and arguing for them. The most distinct of which were the factions. People were drastically divided on whether the "culprit" was something supernatural, or human.
Sadly I wasn't around then, but atleast the VNs gave me a taste of how it was.
Nowadays gotta be so careful on where you talk and what answers you read as there's walking spoilers everywhere.

Now you have the solution! The goal to solve this thing!
Now I will see how much of the ""too dumb ppl making too dumb choices", that isn't the case in this story" statement is true.
I'm still willing to stand behind that statement. Hope you won't be disappointed :)

I figured this out at ep 14. Let us see how much it needs for the others to figure that out. (and let's don't count on the actual solution, this series has 4 seasons as a whole... I don't have many hopes for that -.-)
If it helps, it only has 1 season after the current one. The OVAs are mainly just some Fun/weird stuff, the movie was like a side story, and GOU doesn't really have anything to do with the first 2 seasons.

PS: Let's remind everyone that this is just logic (the thing you use to solve cases and mysteries), The solution/problem could be different, by some ingenious (or also some dumb) writing from the author, things could be not as it seems to be in my "solution" (although I'm pretty sure I nailed it in some of the points). In any case, that's my "pre-gnostic" of this problem/solution... at ep 14 of the original season... let's see what will happen, shall we??
Logic has brought you this far, let's see how far it will still bring you. There's still things to solve.
If I had to say on the author's part, there is more ingenious than dumb writing there.

But all in all, it was quite an interesting read that Theory you had built up.

r_justo said:
That statement that I just wrote also means that my initial fear was right... at the end of the 1st season, I still don't have any sense of accomplishment...
Well that's sad to hear, personally I had felt some sort of accomplishment by this point. However it's not like story is supposed to be solved by the end of the first season. Far from it.
If I may say so, everything will be different on the new season, it won't be the same type of repetitive action as it has been so far.

and the plot I wanted to solve, was not even mentioned after the 14th ep (not in a way that really tells you something that you can use to solve it).
Mind explaining this a bit more?

WTF is that curse? Why people have to die/disappear? Why those specific people and how it that happens? What can it be done to stop that? What WILL be done to stop that?
All this remains to be explained AND I don't think I have the will to watch another 20ish something eps season just to remain the same...
Everything will be explained on the next season, and things may or may not be like how they've been theorized thus far.

One of the biggest mistakes people have lamented about Higurashi has been, that they initially dropped it after the first arcs or even the first season.
In comparison, imagine watching a Conan mystery arc, only to not watch the solution.

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Sorry, Hulio if I didn't make myself understandable... I just watch 27 eps in 24h of one anime that definitively is not my cup of tea... I'm just a little tired, that's all. When I said that I have time is because I make time... but the process... let's just say that is not the best for any type of health...

When I said that I didn't feel any sense of accomplishment I was talking about my feelings about the series as a whole and especially the main focus (at least my main focus) to know what was that all about. Of course, they seem to finish the development of the characters (at least to a point) and their incorporation in all the story. The problems with my dull feelings... Well they are dull xD

The sense of something accomplish is just not there. I thought I made that clear by saying that it didn't answer some main questions/issues, even enumerated some of them: The curse; The disappears; The specific people that died... The be more clear, I want to know what in my theory is right and what is not. After the 15th ep, we understand that stuff is not what it seems, that stuff is connected and not random... But nothing of that answers the big questions... one that really bothers me is If the things are "planned" How people could just vanish?? They didn't just die, they VANISH!! That has an answer and they willingly try to make people forget about that after the 15th ep...

The last part:
Hulio said:

One of the biggest mistakes people have lamented about Higurashi has been, that they initially dropped it after the first arcs or even the first season.
In comparison, imagine watching a Conan mystery arc, only to not watch the solution.


You made a really good point! But the thing is it's a whole new season... Although this time the characters are "created" they could have something to be had to them but the main things are there, at least that! I don't know, maybe I will enjoy it more, maybe not, we'll see! But for tonight, I will rest! (I have Jujutsu kaizen and Dragon quest to ease my mind xD)
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LeviLeads said:
As someone who thought higurashi gou was a remake of the og, and as someone who has no clue what the original is about, someone please tell me what the hell is happening. I'm on ep 23 and all I understand really is festival, cursed spirit, time loop, alternate universe where Satoko and the other girl go to college but Satoko fucks everything up apparently, and neck scratch disease. I haven't read any manga or watched any other of the animes, someone please just explain what is happening.


Gou is a dumpster fire, watch 2006 and Kai, and then read the manga and visual novels. Nothing more.
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Hulio said:

Theory said:
I do see where you're coming from, but don't stop thinking, I'd say the theory is still a bit lacking. The bones are there, but could still flesh it out.

THAT exists and THAT has an objective, might be so, but doesn't say much.
Usually classical mysteries have some basic questions to be answered by mininum before they are "solved".
Alibi, Motive and Modus Operandi.
Motive you had tackled down pretty solidly, but Alibi would need proof of existence, and MO some detailing aswell.

One question I could throw for you is, does your theory explain everything that is missing explanation in the story for you?

Back in the day the Forums were on fire, everyone debating their theories and arguing for them. The most distinct of which were the factions. People were drastically divided on whether the "culprit" was something supernatural, or human.
Sadly I wasn't around then, but atleast the VNs gave me a taste of how it was.
Nowadays gotta be so careful on where you talk and what answers you read as there's walking spoilers everywhere.


YAP!! You are right! Although that's just a scratch it lacks a lot of things. With that said, I'm sticking with the Core:



At this point (end of the S1) that Core is pretty much a fact. But after a good-ish night of sleep, I wake up with a theory formed while I was sleeping (I already told you, I make time xD):


And that's it, a complete game-changer... Murders could be easily committed by people, every single one of them, they have shown that pretty much in every arc. But the loop, the disappearing, the less logical things, that no human could do...

I think that 50% of this case.... no! 70% of this case could be solved by answer some very simple questions:


After the answer to those questions, you have the murders solved, the others 30% are semantic, you need them to understand everything, but that's is like catching a run-a-way animal, car, train, person. You will catch it/them but you now know where you need to go/do to accomplish that.

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Lol you're one to talk, giving Elfen Lied a 9/10 (HOW IT'S MISSING SO MUCH PLOT SIUHDIUEHF READ THE MANGA LMAO). Anyway, back to the topic at hand, I'm curious how people aren't shitting on it as much as it deserves. I was also told you're supposed to read all visual novels in order to understand it, which is really stupid. If that's actually the case, than I hate Gou even more. I haven't read all of them. I've read almost all the manga and watched everything related to the anime and have full capabilities of forming a serious opinion on Gou so idk how me having a perfectly valid opinion on the series could mean I have dumpster fire taste.


I don't do that at all. If the manga is good, it's good. If the anime couldn't catch all of it and sucks because of that, it's a bad anime.
And that's pretty much it. If the anime is bad I don't watch it, if it needs the manga I will not watch it either. I don't read manga. I read a few like HxH and Bleach because they stop the anime and I wanted to see the story... and that's it. Oh, and fairy tail too. That one I only did the manga, it was nice to read, but that is an exception to the rule, I guess.

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As someone who thought higurashi gou was a remake of the og, and as someone who has no clue what the original is about, someone please tell me what the hell is happening. I'm on ep 23 and all I understand really is festival, cursed spirit, time loop, alternate universe where Satoko and the other girl go to college but Satoko fucks everything up apparently, and neck scratch disease. I haven't read any manga or watched any other of the animes, someone please just explain what is happening.

You shouldn't be watching this at all without knowledge of the original story. There is no chance you'll understand a the plot of Gou without knowing the prequels. I'd recommend reading the Higurashi manga and then going back to this, though at this point you've already spoiled yourself a lot of the major plot points.

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(BTW I don't read mangas/VN. Please have that in mind.)
Too bad, as the DEEN adaptation is.. not exactly great by modern standards.
You all need to watch Nami.

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Emerald1016 said:

Lol you're one to talk, giving Elfen Lied a 9/10 (HOW IT'S MISSING SO MUCH PLOT SIUHDIUEHF READ THE MANGA LMAO). Anyway, back to the topic at hand, I'm curious how people aren't shitting on it as much as it deserves. I was also told you're supposed to read all visual novels in order to understand it, which is really stupid. If that's actually the case, than I hate Gou even more. I haven't read all of them. I've read almost all the manga and watched everything related to the anime and have full capabilities of forming a serious opinion on Gou so idk how me having a perfectly valid opinion on the series could mean I have dumpster fire taste.


I don't do that at all. If the manga is good, it's good. If the anime couldn't catch all of it and sucks because of that, it's a bad anime.
And that's pretty much it. If the anime is bad I don't watch it, if it needs the manga I will not watch it either. I don't read manga. I read a few like HxH and Bleach because they stop the anime and I wanted to see the story... and that's it. Oh, and fairy tail too. That one I only did the manga, it was nice to read, but that is an exception to the rule, I guess.


If it weren't for "Higurashi" in the title, I'd skip out on Gou.
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Sorry, Hulio if I didn't make myself understandable... I just watch 27 eps in 24h of one anime that definitively is not my cup of tea...
Yeah... uhhh.... that's not good :D

Now this revised theory of yours, I can see a lot more points being connected.
Definitely coming from someone who enjoys mysteries and watched&thought their share about them.
Just makes me wonder what all kind of stuff you could come up by reading the VNs instead.
And from the sounds of it, I'd be willing to guess you will enjoy the results/answers.

Also nice to see pointing out the Photographer/Blonde question.
People are often so engrossed with the drastic events that they forget
"oh yeah those two died too" never to wonder why or how.

I take it that you will be continuing on the Kai season.
Don't know your stance on the Animation and graphics of the first season (if that matters to you at all) but the second arguably has the best out of all season. Vastly better than GOU too, no matter what anyone says.

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Too bad, as the DEEN adaptation is.. not exactly great by modern standards.
Okey, that's a point which I can respect, and understand the subjectivity behind it.
But saying that Kai doesn't reach the modern standards, or even counting it together with season 1.
You're just lying to yourself.


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Hulio said:
r_justo said:
Sorry, Hulio if I didn't make myself understandable... I just watch 27 eps in 24h of one anime that definitively is not my cup of tea...
Yeah... uhhh.... that's not good :D

Now this revised theory of yours, I can see a lot more points being connected.
Definitely coming from someone who enjoys mysteries and watched&thought their share about them.
Just makes me wonder what all kind of stuff you could come up by reading the VNs instead.
And from the sounds of it, I'd be willing to guess you will enjoy the results/answers.

Also nice to see pointing out the Photographer/Blonde question.
People are often so engrossed with the drastic events that they forget
"oh yeah those two died too" never to wonder why or how.

I take it that you will be continuing on the Kai season.
Don't know your stance on the Animation and graphics of the first season (if that matters to you at all) but the second arguably has the best out of all season. Vastly better than GOU too, no matter what anyone says.


Yap that's for sure. I love mysteries and especially solving them, and yes, I will continue with Kai (and all of them, with me, when the subject is anime, is all or nothing xD)(BTW what's with the "Umineko"?? Everybody is talking like it has a plage or something...)

As for the graphics and the animation... well I watch anime since I was 2 or 3yo, the legend of zorro and Robin Hood (couldn't find the original titles yet) in 1992 or soo... The graphics were fabulous as you can imagine, but I enjoyed it back then and today as well xD
It could be much better (at least for me) if it didn't have soo much gore and things like that... Really a downside for me... But... You can't have a mystery/murder to solve if no-one died xD
For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations.
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Yap that's for sure. I love mysteries and especially solving them, and yes, I will continue with Kai (and all of them, with me, when the subject is anime, is all or nothing xD)(BTW what's with the "Umineko"?? Everybody is talking like it has a plage or something...)
Well that's good to hear!
Umineko is the author's another story.
There is a rich family, they are having their annual meeting on their private island.
Storm comes and in essence seals them from the outer world until the storm passes.
Then someone dies. Who is the culprit?
The initial setting is great, kinda reminds me of cluedo with some "hidden roles gameplay" added in. It's a lot more classical mystery than Higurashi with a lot thought inducing themes.
Sadly tho I can't exactly recommend the anime adaptation of it, from what I remember it turned out to be quite the fever dream.

Also it's quite susceptible to spoilers so I'd be careful what to read around here.
I wouldn't want to know anything about Umineko beforehand, and people here are openly talking about everything about it.
As for the graphics and the animation... well I watch anime since I was 2 or 3yo, the legend of zorro and Robin Hood (couldn't find the original titles yet) in 1992 or soo... The graphics were fabulous as you can imagine, but I enjoyed it back then and today as well xD
The Robin Hood where he was a Fox?
Yeah that was something else!
It could be much better (at least for me) if it didn't have soo much gore and things like that... Really a downside for me... But... You can't have a mystery/murder to solve if no-one died xD
Yeah Ryukishi sure likes to play around with the gore.
Personally I like it, some of the scenes here are like what is hard to find somewhere else.

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As for the graphics and the animation... well I watch anime since I was 2 or 3yo, the legend of zorro and Robin Hood (couldn't find the original titles yet) in 1992 or soo... The graphics were fabulous as you can imagine, but I enjoyed it back then and today as well xD
The Robin Hood where he was a Fox?
Yeah that was something else!


Unfortunately, that wasn't the anime. The one I remember the characters were kids (or at the very least they look like kids because there were adults as well and I could differentiate between them).
I remember a few things like there was a princess that likes Robin and in the middle of the anime, she turns less princess to a more rough like, helping Robin and the others.
I remember a guy with long red hair, a chevalier that works for the bad guy, that at some point he tried to fight then save Robin and the Princess but he was shot with a bolt by the bad guy and end up falling to a cliff while Robin and the Princess were trying to help him, and he was supposed to be dead, only to return later and shook everyone that though he was dead, especially the bad guy... and I remember that the king returns, in the end, reinstating Robin and the Princess as Nobles... Remember Little Jonh (a big fat kid) and Frey Duk (with his brown vests and his big nose)... I especially remember Robin's bow, white, with some gold, and with a red or green gem in it, I remember there was a full ep just for Robin to take his bow (family object or soo).
And that's it... Is not much but I recall like it was yesterday. If I find some trailer of it I'm pretty sure to recognize it immediately!

Edit: I found it after all xD
https://myanimelist.net/anime/2543/Robin_Hood_no_Daibouken?q=Robin%20Hood&cat=anime
And the Zorro was this one:
https://myanimelist.net/anime/3010/Kaiketsu_Zorro?q=Zorro&cat=anime

As you can see I'm very fond of old animations. Not just those, Doraemon, Ninja Hatori, and others from the same author and more. The Animation of Higurashi was not a concern at all for me xD
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Unfortunately, that wasn't the anime. The one I remember the characters were kids (or at the very least they look like kids because there were adults as well and I could differentiate between them).
I remember a few things like there was a princess that likes Robin and in the middle of the anime, she turns less princess to a more rough like, helping Robin and the others.
I remember a guy with long red hair, a chevalier that works for the bad guy, that at some point he tried to fight then save Robin and the Princess but he was shot with a bolt by the bad guy and end up falling to a cliff while Robin and the Princess were trying to help him, and he was supposed to be dead, only to return later and shook everyone that though he was dead, especially the bad guy... and I remember that the king returns, in the end, reinstating Robin and the Princess as Nobles... Remember Little Jonh (a big fat kid) and Frey Duk (with his brown vests and his big nose)... I especially remember Robin's bow, white, with some gold, and with a red or green gem in it, I remember there was a full ep just for Robin to take his bow (family object or soo).
And that's it... Is not much but I recall like it was yesterday. If I find some trailer of it I'm pretty sure to recognize it immediately!

Edit: I found it after all xD
https://myanimelist.net/anime/2543/Robin_Hood_no_Daibouken?q=Robin%20Hood&cat=anime
And the Zorro was this one:
https://myanimelist.net/anime/3010/Kaiketsu_Zorro?q=Zorro&cat=anime

As you can see I'm very fond of old animations. Not just those, Doraemon, Ninja Hatori, and others from the same author and more. The Animation of Higurashi was not a concern at all for me xD
Oh man it was an ACTUAL anime, thought you just ment animation xD
Yeah haven't heard of this one before. Cool!

Yeah I don't mind old graphics at all either, especially love the 90's style.

After giving a sneak peek on your list, may I recommend watching Slayers?
One of my favorite classics from the 90's. RPG Parody (not Isekai, D&D), which at it's best is unforgettable.

Also looking how you've well on to the Kai atm, looks like you're already liking it more. :)

Any changes to Theory?

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Holy shit this thread is cringe. Stop roleplaying, it's a sequel, not a remake. That's all you needed to say.
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Sorry but you need to solve the Witch's epitaph and get a PhD in Gohdatrice studies to understand Gou
xD
Sorry for the meaningless quote but Damn.

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Oh man it was an ACTUAL anime, thought you just ment animation xD
Yeah haven't heard of this one before. Cool!

Yeah I don't mind old graphics at all either, especially love the 90's style.

After giving a sneak peek on your list, may I recommend watching Slayers?
One of my favorite classics from the 90's. RPG Parody (not Isekai, D&D), which at it's best is unforgettable.

Also looking how you've well on to the Kai atm, looks like you're already liking it more. :)

Any changes to Theory?


Glad I help xD As for Slayers... I think I saw that before... but I'm not sure... anyway, it would be a great anime to watch (if I could find it somewhere xD)

As for Kai, WOW!! That's a major change in the anime. I pretty much only enjoying the anime right now. For the first 5 eps, I was raging about what was happening, now at the 9th I was hoping for a better end, now (going for 12th) I'm perplexed and raged again!! This anime is awesome right now! xD (but... maybe I'm a little too concerned... but I think... she will die again... maybe just to ruin all hopes for the viewer... Idk. The only thing I can say... That's good! If I was dull with the characters in the S1, now is literally the opposite, and that's a thing I enjoy xD)

As for theories... to be frank I don't have much xD It's just too joyful to watch, to see hope (finally!)... but... I have a filling... that will still be not enough... but closer... definitively closer than ever!

BUT you want theories:


And that's it! For now, I'm enjoying this anime (although I have a feeling... we'll see... but for now), I'm enjoying watching it, I'm enjoying the characters, the solving, and the realization they have when they solve each problem. I'm just enjoying it! (completely different from the 1st season xD)
As for my solution is easy and I could say it without spoilers:
Stop what is happening, seal that thing that does the thing, and live happily! XD

BTW I just remember some other animes that many of us remember as animations but they were also animes, most of them from the 80s and 90s. If you want I post them here xD
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Holy shit this thread is cringe. Stop roleplaying, it's a remake, not a sequel. That's all you needed to say.

It isn’t a remake tho?
Even MAL finally accepted and changed it to sequel, so I dunno why you’re still trying to deny it.
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RebelPanda said:
Holy shit this thread is cringe. Stop roleplaying, it's a remake, not a sequel. That's all you needed to say.

It isn’t a remake tho?
Even MAL finally accepted and changed it to sequel, so I dunno why you’re still trying to deny it.
It is a sequel, not a remake. I accidentally typed it wrong, I should've double-checked my wording. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Just finished season 2 (Kai) and it turned my opinion 180 degrees about this series. This series (at least until Kai) is great, well thought, and with the eps well distributed (even if I didn't like S1 at all).
After the end I just don't know how/why did they make sequels to that... It was the perfect ending, wasn't it?? What more can they hope to add that suits the series without ruining it??

I will continue with Rei and after that with Umineko. I will let Kira and Outbreak for last (they just appear last by date and I will watch them last). Only after all of those, I will watch Gou and I will finally be able to completely rate it properly!

PS: This is the anime that I most needed to prepare to watch the current season that any other that I saw before... At least for now (and I'm only at the end of season 2) it turns out to be a good experience (one that I could recommend), at the very least I have that! I don't know if this will happen after this point... We'll see.
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Just finished season 2 (Kai) and it turned my opinion 180 degrees about this series. This series (at least until Kai) is great, well thought, and with the eps well distributed (even if I didn't like S1 at all).
Sad that the first season didn't hit well, but yeah, the story overall is great (especially in VN). And I'm willing to bet that KAI wouldn't have felt the same without S1.
After the end I just don't know how/why did they make sequels to that... It was the perfect ending, wasn't it?? What more can they hope to add that suits the series without ruining it??
Yeah, that's a good question, even I don't know the answer. And even if it could have been continued well, GOU doesn't.
Don't know if you want some minor "spoilers" on GOU or not so I'll keep shut for now.

I will continue with Rei and after that with Umineko. I will let Kira and Outbreak for last (they just appear last by date and I will watch them last). Only after all of those, I will watch Gou and I will finally be able to completely rate it properly!
I think I'd suggest watching Kira & Movie before going on anything else (tho it doesn't matter)
As for Umineko, like mentioned before, I can't exactly recommend it (even tho I consider it better than GOU). The VN is awesome, but if you absolutely won't be reading them, then I guess it will be the best what you can get.

One tip I could pull from my memory is that don't binge it like you did with Higurashi, that will likely ruin it completely.

PS: This is the anime that I most needed to prepare to watch the current season that any other that I saw before... At least for now (and I'm only at the end of season 2) it turns out to be a good experience (one that I could recommend), at the very least I have that! I don't know if this will happen after this point... We'll see.
Now that you've finished and know everything (I guess), how you found the mystery? From the looks of it, Kai surely had it's surprises for you.

Also now the first season will make a lot sense.
Don't know if you're willing, but eventually, if you ever get to rewatch it, it will feel completely different. And that's in a good way.

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This is season 3, watch the first 2 seasons first.
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It took 24 fucking episodes for them to finally edit it as a sequel in the database.The mods on this site are really shitty.Sorry you had to go through that op.The author butchered his own creation great!

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I think I'd suggest watching Kira & Movie before going on anything else (tho it doesn't matter)
As for Umineko, like mentioned before, I can't exactly recommend it (even tho I consider it better than GOU). The VN is awesome, but if you absolutely won't be reading them, then I guess it will be the best what you can get.


I already watched Rei (and I liked it btw), I think the original idea was to throw a new thing and then return to the old one (because ppl are more used to it?). I will stick with the dates, like you said it isn't a thing that really makes a huge difference anyway, and if I will gonna see Gou, I want to be reminded of the characters/the world before I get in into it, soo it seems kinda perfect succession to me xD

Now that you've finished and know everything (I guess), how you found the mystery? From the looks of it, Kai surely had it's surprises for you.

Also now the first season will make a lot sense.
Don't know if you're willing, but eventually, if you ever get to rewatch it, it will feel completely different. And that's in a good way.


The mystery was awesome, it was really only that that kept me in the 1st season and the sole reason to start Kai (after the first 2 eps I started to enjoy the race, but to even start them...). With that said, it would need too much from me to rewatch the 1st season (the 2nd I could rewatch it next week xD).
It was not the animation at all, it was the visuals (too much gore and stuff) and the "feelings" (too much of a horror story to me). The mystery was the only thing that really kept me going... without that... well... let's just say that would be 100 times worst (especially because now I'm fond with the characters and all, it would really be a pain to watch all of season 1 again)

PS: After watching Umineko I think I found another Anime equally hard to rewatch (although for different reasons)... What a mess...
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