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| Probally my favorite episode yet!!!! FINALLY Featherine appeared! I wonder how deep the Umineko connection will be, goddamn hype!... but there are only 4 episodes left. |
UltimatMax said: Your first mistake was watching the anime, its shit and ends halfway through the story. Featherine first appears on episode 6 i believe? or 5? dont remember, so ull have to read further in the manga or the visual novel to understand.i watched umineko anime and i am almost in the end of the manga and couldn't make a connection to the higurashi about featherine and someone point me if the connections is in the games or any champter of the manga or if is in the novel? |
| Seeing all the kids aged up a few years playing games in their old school made me cry. It really put into perspective that happiness is fleeting and life causes childhood friends to go their separate ways. Even though they were happy, it broke my heart. I can empathize with Satoko here. I grew up with these Hinamizawa kids since I was 16 when I first started watching Higurashi. It feels like closure. |
 ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
Berunkastel said: She was in the opening, you should've known since episode 2Holy shit was that Featherine at the end?! Didn't expect Umineko to get involved at all!! xD I've been getting much more interested in Gou ever since the two latest arcs and this episode proved it. I knew Ryushiki07 wouldn't disappoint! |
| Featherine is finally here I wish she wasn't involved tbh, but yeah, makes sense... What school needs to have a prison? wtf man I couldn't fault Rika for Satoko's problems in the last episode since it was Satoko herself who decided to maintain a distance in the first place, but Rika not trying to reach out to her to mend things for a whole year is kinda bad. Well, let's see how this ends... |
Pasturple said: UltimatMax said: Your first mistake was watching the anime, its shit and ends halfway through the story. Featherine first appears on episode 6 i believe? or 5? dont remember, so ull have to read further in the manga or the visual novel to understand.i watched umineko anime and i am almost in the end of the manga and couldn't make a connection to the higurashi about featherine and someone point me if the connections is in the games or any champter of the manga or if is in the novel? I the anime ends in on episode 4 and the manga i already read everything only saw 1 time that bern is referred as rika furude when hanyu was helping her in both the OG Higurashi and before she left to recover her horns. I didn't saw in any of the EP's that featherine was there only the ending of this one, the manga is so damn extensive some episodes are 800+ pages. |
| Shiki is the best anime and unique with his style design, you can't change my mind from it |
UltimatMax said: Why dont you see the connection?Pasturple said: Your first mistake was watching the anime, its shit and ends halfway through the story. Featherine first appears on episode 6 i believe? or 5? dont remember, so ull have to read further in the manga or the visual novel to understand. I the anime ends in on episode 4 and the manga i already read everything only saw 1 time that bern is referred as rika furude when hanyu was helping her in both the OG Higurashi and before she left to recover her horns. |
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Pasturple said: UltimatMax said: Why dont you see the connection?I the anime ends in on episode 4 and the manga i already read everything only saw 1 time that bern is referred as rika furude when hanyu was helping her in both the OG Higurashi and before she left to recover her horns. very hard to see the connection "lambda is satoko" i don't know where i can find it. Only saw featerine as hanyu weak form and bern as rika from the future as a witch, From the manga (theory only). That's the only thing i got. I only watched the umineko like after i watched the episode 17 i think of gou that's why i didn't knew who was featherine and every other umineko characters. Also why said it's remake or a sequel and didn't even told readers to watch umineko just to watch this both new and older viewers i got trown over the bus when i saw people talking about umineno was so godamn lost. |
UltimatMaxFeb 19, 2021 2:29 PM
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UltimatMax said: i watched umineko anime and i am almost in the end of the manga and couldn't make a connection to the higurashi about featherine and someone point me if the connections is in the games or any champter of the manga or if is in the novel? In the manga, when they show Bernkastel's backstory, they mention her master and she is clearly drawn there as Hanyuu although she isn't named at that point. Later on Featherine is introduced as Bern's master and it's also mentioned that Bern is her miko (like how Rika was Oyashiro-sama/Hanyuu's Miko). When Lambda faces Featherine, it's also mentioned that she used to have a different appearance and personality in the past due to her horn-like "memory device" being damaged. https://youtu.be/wA4WSWNUJhs?t=780 Hanyuu has a scratched horn and they even highlighted the damage in the final scene of fragment Hanyuu in Gou. Actually, the stuff about her appearance and personality changing might not have been in the manga's dialogue, although you still have the early Bern flashbacks for the manga. Also, Featherine's full name is Featherine Augustus Aurora, but Bern often calls her Auaurora, making fun of Hanyuu's usual "Auau" sounds (although Featherine never says that). |
NeonDZFeb 19, 2021 3:01 PM
NeonDZ said: Yeah i watched the chapter and image of both the showing past bern and past featherine in umineko manga, like i said in the comment above. The only thing i do not know is why lambda is the future satoko. UltimatMax said: i watched umineko anime and i am almost in the end of the manga and couldn't make a connection to the higurashi about featherine and someone point me if the connections is in the games or any champter of the manga or if is in the novel? In the manga, when they show Bernkastel's backstory, they mention her master and she is clearly drawn there as Hanyuu although she isn't named at that point. Later on Featherine is introduced as Bern's master and it's also mentioned that Bern is her miko (like how Rika was Oyashiro-sama/Hanyuu's Miko). When Lambda faces Featherine, it's also mentioned that she used to have a different appearance and personality in the past due to her horn-like "memory device" being damaged. https://youtu.be/wA4WSWNUJhs?t=780 Hanyuu has a scratched horn and they even highlighted the damage in the final scene of fragment Hanyuu in Gou. Actually, the stuff about her appearance and personality changing might not have been in the manga's dialogue, although you still have the early Bern flashbacks for the manga. Also, Featherine's full name is Featherine Augustus Aurora, but Bern often calls her Auaurora, making fun of Hanyuu's usual "Auau" sounds (although Featherine never says that). Similarities between bern with lambda relationship, rika with satoko doesn't necessarily make it 100% proof them past what makes them witches in the future . The thing about satoko being featherine miko is shown in the ending of this episode that's what i get it from. I saw "memorias of lambdabelta and there as a girl and it wasn't takano but relative of her that asked for the wish to be a god". Maybe the takano wish is in the game or some bonus side story i don't know because in the manga didn't saw it. |
UltimatMaxFeb 19, 2021 3:29 PM
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UltimatMax said: Similarities between bern with lambda relationship, rika with satoko doesn't necessarily make it 100% proof them past what makes them witches in the future . Lambdatoko is mostly speculation based on some of Lambda's shared traits with Satoko like her laugh, liking traps and close relation with Bern/Rika (which only increased when you add up Looper Satoko from Gou). There's nothing on the level of the Satoko/Bern or Hanyuu/Featherine connections. In this case it's all just speculation. That said, there is one scene that connects them together - both Lambda and Satoko were fooled by a logic problem base on cakes (after you finish eating everything, how much cake is left?) And Bern is actually the one that remarks that Lambda had fallen for that before. https://streamable.com/sh7rfj Still, it's a very small connection and doesn't mean much by itself. Although if Lambdatoko ends up confirmed at some point stuff like that can be referenced as set up/clues. |
UltimatMax said: i watched umineko anime and i am almost in the end of the manga and couldn't make a connection to the higurashi about featherine and someone point me if the connections is in the games or any champter of the manga or if is in the novel? You almost in the end of which manga? I mean, they are numbered, from arc/epi 1 (Legend) to arc/epi 8 (End). Featherine appears in the 6th one, but she only does relevant sh*t in the 8th, near the end of the final one. Bern is her miko, like Rika is from Oyashiro/Hanyuu. She also has that horn structure in her head. Bernkastel is shown evil, despite being born from Rika soul, by arc 5, the one where Erika debuts. Anime goes until arc 4 end (badly, only arc 1 was done kinda right). You know the one EP3 Ange "dies" to give Battler an incentive to stake up Beatrice with colored truths. |
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| great way to insert the OP damn St Luchia, they don't have a detention room, they have a whole jail lmao. it's funny how a "prank" in the academy has serious consequences and in the town they may end up bleeding and it's all hihi-haha such a mega-crossover-mutiverse cliffhanging |
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UltimatMax said: Pasturple said: Your first mistake was watching the anime, its shit and ends halfway through the story. Featherine first appears on episode 6 i believe? or 5? dont remember, so ull have to read further in the manga or the visual novel to understand. I the anime ends in on episode 4 and the manga i already read everything only saw 1 time that bern is referred as rika furude when hanyu was helping her in both the OG Higurashi and before she left to recover her horns. I didn't saw in any of the EP's that featherine was there only the ending of this one, the manga is so damn extensive some episodes are 800+ pages. If you think that's a lot, try the VN, which has nearly 1.200.000 english words in total for most of the translations lol Btw, the manga rushed and/or omitted every single element of unreliable meta-narrative (the basis of the entire thing, really) and created holes because of it, and that's while actually being, in many regards, a pretty good adaptation (at times fantastic, later on, with rights to cool adaptation expansions in some aspects). I would recommend reading the VN instead (and to avoid a reread, get the explicit answers from EP7-8 manga with their bonuses), unless you really don't have the time (I have the impression manga-onlies don't really catch most of what really composes Umineko as a deconstructed and metafictional fair-play mystery, because the manga on its own is pretty unfair, so be aware that many things won't quite make sense). |
DanpmssFeb 19, 2021 7:52 PM
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Pasturple said: UltimatMax said: Your first mistake was watching the anime, its shit and ends halfway through the story. Featherine first appears on episode 6 i believe? or 5? dont remember, so ull have to read further in the manga or the visual novel to understand.i watched umineko anime and i am almost in the end of the manga and couldn't make a connection to the higurashi about featherine and someone point me if the connections is in the games or any champter of the manga or if is in the novel? The manga is good too. For what's it's worth it does handle a few things better than the VN does. Episode 8 specially comes to mind. If you're strapped for time that might be the way to go. It does have it's misses. As people pointed out. It's your decision on what you go with. If you do go with the VN please read Umineko Project. https://umineko-project.org/en/ It is the definitive version. |
ChargecoulombFeb 19, 2021 8:18 PM
MightyM17 said: It honestly seems like you never had a really good friend XD. I'm not justifying what Satoko will eventually do (or what it seems like she'll do) but Rika missed with what she said. And she missed really badly. Satoko is her BEST friend. Someone she held close to her heart during all of those years in which she spent locked away in a loop, the fact that she turned on her like this because of the taste of a different life is VERY insensitive. That doesn't means she should stop going to her tea parties with her snobby new friends but that she should pay more attention to her oldest best friend especially since her dream was to experience the academy together with her. You're completely ignoring Rika's perspective in all this and what she really wants. She's spent the last few hundred years pretending to be a small child and getting weird looks every time she said anything halfway intelligent. Now she can finally act more like her true self and the people around her actually admire her and respect what she has to say. As she said, going to this high class school is her dream. Yes she wanted to experience it with Satoko but she probably assumed Satoko would grow up herself instead of refusing to even attempt to fit in and just throwing shade at Rika's new friends and the lifestyle that Rika actually likes. Oh boo hoo, poor Satoko. She actually has to study now that she's in highschool and can't set dangerous traps willy nilly. What about what Rika went through and what she wants? Fucking Christ. Give up and leave the school if you don't like it. Don't drag Rika down with you. They can meet up every few months like with Mion and the rest and I'm sure Rika would be fine playing along once in a while like we saw in this episode. |
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| Something I don't really get (and I mean, the explanation is probably supernatural so it doesn't matter...) is that -Rika started talking to Hanyuu when she was thrown back into the loops again (in the anime, randomly in ep 2, in the manga, post her death in Onidamashi). Hanyuu had a damaged horn and explained some of the situation to Rika, and called herself just a "lingering trace of herself." -In Ep 14(?) in Nekodamashi, Hanyuu's horn appears healed, she leaves Rika, and uses her remaining power to give Rika memories from each loop. (Which I also don't get...didn't she have that already during the previous three arcs?) -Ep 20, Satoko meets this being (Featherine, complete Hanyuu, Oyashiro, whatever) and presumably will be able to start looping. (i.e. this arc happens 5 years after Matsuribayashi-hen but also before any of the -Damashi arcs.) So... Even though Hanyuu got fixed or became complete (or reverted back to Featherine, however you want to describe it), she still existed AS Hanyuu (at the same time??) in that sea of fragments long enough to talk with Rika twice? If she had already become Featherine I don't get how that makes sense... |
Gar_Logan said: Something I don't really get (and I mean, the explanation is probably supernatural so it doesn't matter...) is that -Rika started talking to Hanyuu when she was thrown back into the loops again (in the anime, randomly in ep 2, in the manga, post her death in Onidamashi). Hanyuu had a damaged horn and explained some of the situation to Rika, and called herself just a "lingering trace of herself." -In Ep 14(?) in Nekodamashi, Hanyuu's horn appears healed, she leaves Rika, and uses her remaining power to give Rika memories from each loop. (Which I also don't get...didn't she have that already during the previous three arcs?) -Ep 20, Satoko meets this being (Featherine, complete Hanyuu, Oyashiro, whatever) and presumably will be able to start looping. (i.e. this arc happens 5 years after Matsuribayashi-hen but also before any of the -Damashi arcs.) So... Even though Hanyuu got fixed or became complete (or reverted back to Featherine, however you want to describe it), she still existed AS Hanyuu (at the same time??) in that sea of fragments long enough to talk with Rika twice? If she had already become Featherine I don't get how that makes sense... That is interesting. We still haven't been explicitly said that Hanyuu is Featherine, but that's what many people seem to think. I personally think that it's better if Hanyuu was Featherines game piece instead of actually being her, but that's seems to be just me. Lingering Trace indeed. From the scene itself it felt like she was not 100 percent real, more of a recording. Even though Featherine (supposedly) took over and such, it's not hard to believe that a tiny portion of Hanyuu still existed long enough to help Rika. Or you know, Featherine could be playing with her. She just doesn't like boredom, so I could actually expect her doing that to mess with Rika. I remember in the Anime they actually focus on her horn. It was shining? I think. I have my own problems with the Horn that fell out of Oyashirosama statue. Literally no where in there series are we shown Ouka cutting Hanyuus horn off. Im pretty sure they retconnned part of Hanyuus past. Regardless of that. We still don't know what Featherine actually wants. For me, if she is Hanyuu it makes no sense for her to help Satoko instead of Rika. Even as her Umineko self, Why would she throw someone related to her miko under the bus? Scratch that, she actually might do it. I have a dim idea that they tried to adapt Hanyuu's adult form and kinda made her look like Featherine, but with the green thing that she does have it's very unlikely. Rika doesn't have the power to naturally remember other worlds. In fact she does not even have the ability to jump to other worlds. It's all Hanyuus powers. Rika doesn't normally remember the moments of her deaths, most likely because Hanyuu didn't want her to (possibly) go insane or get serious PTSD (Satoko punch box in Gou) here she takes away that restriction. In Matsubiriyashi Rika doesn't remember performing Watanagishi on her, even though she was fully aware during it. |
ChargecoulombFeb 20, 2021 10:25 AM
Gar_Logan said: -In Ep 14(?) in Nekodamashi, Hanyuu's horn appears healed, she leaves Rika, and uses her remaining power to give Rika memories from each loop. (Which I also don't get...didn't she have that already during the previous three arcs?) Rika didn't have full memories of the previous loops - she specifically never remembered anything related to her deaths. Also, I don't think Hanyuu's horn was fixed there. If anything the scratch was shinning there, even receiving a close up, mostly to highlight it to the viewer, since the Hanyuu we knew (and that fragment of Hanyuu represented) basically existed due to that scratch. So... Even though Hanyuu got fixed or became complete (or reverted back to Featherine, however you want to describe it), she still existed AS Hanyuu (at the same time??) in that sea of fragments long enough to talk with Rika twice? If she had already become Featherine I don't get how that makes sense... It's not clear why fragment Hanyuu existed, but she outright says before fading out that the real Hanyuu didn't want that meeting. So, yes, fragment Hanyuu existed at the same time as a separate "real" Hanyuu. |
Chargecoulomb said: Gar_Logan said: Something I don't really get (and I mean, the explanation is probably supernatural so it doesn't matter...) is that -Rika started talking to Hanyuu when she was thrown back into the loops again (in the anime, randomly in ep 2, in the manga, post her death in Onidamashi). Hanyuu had a damaged horn and explained some of the situation to Rika, and called herself just a "lingering trace of herself." -In Ep 14(?) in Nekodamashi, Hanyuu's horn appears healed, she leaves Rika, and uses her remaining power to give Rika memories from each loop. (Which I also don't get...didn't she have that already during the previous three arcs?) -Ep 20, Satoko meets this being (Featherine, complete Hanyuu, Oyashiro, whatever) and presumably will be able to start looping. (i.e. this arc happens 5 years after Matsuribayashi-hen but also before any of the -Damashi arcs.) So... Even though Hanyuu got fixed or became complete (or reverted back to Featherine, however you want to describe it), she still existed AS Hanyuu (at the same time??) in that sea of fragments long enough to talk with Rika twice? If she had already become Featherine I don't get how that makes sense... That is interesting. We still haven't been explicitly said that Hanyuu is Featherine, but that's what many people seem to think. I personally think that it's better if Hanyuu was Featherines game piece instrad of actually being her, but that's just me. I have my own problems with the Horn that fell out of Oyashirosama statue. Literally no where in there series are we shown Ouka cutting Hanyuus horn off. Im pretty sure they retconnned part of Hanyuus past. Regardless of that. We still don't know what Featherine actually wants. For me, if she is Hanyuu it makes no sense for her to help Satoko instead of Rika. Even as her Umineko self, Why would she throw someone related to her miko under the bus? I think there was never any doubt that Hanyuu was her piece. The difference is whether Featherine was 100% herself during the game thus affecting her piece. I actually have no issues with the broken horn. Who put it there? Why was the statue so easily broken? Magic. The Witch of Theatergoing, Drama and Spectating just loves that kind of shit. If it is a process for Bern's creation/birth then why not? We dont know how the time axis works for witches. And we also know that she outright abandoned her miko due to a logic error. It isnt that farfetched for her to trap Rika. |
NeonDZ said: It's not clear why fragment Hanyuu existed, but she outright says before fading out that the real Hanyuu didn't want that meeting. So, yes, fragment Hanyuu existed at the same time as a separate "real" Hanyuu. Why did Hanyuu loop Rika at all? I thought that even if we call them "loops" they are actually different fragments. If Satoko started "looping" to create a world where she could stay with Rika, why didn't Hanyuu let the Rika of 1987 just...keep living the life she wanted? Or was this specific consciousness of Rika also pulled into the loops for some reason? (The more I try to think about it the less any of it actually makes any sense...) |
Gar_Logan said: NeonDZ said: It's not clear why fragment Hanyuu existed, but she outright says before fading out that the real Hanyuu didn't want that meeting. So, yes, fragment Hanyuu existed at the same time as a separate "real" Hanyuu. Why did Hanyuu loop Rika at all? I thought that even if we call them "loops" they are actually different fragments. If Satoko started "looping" to create a world where she could stay with Rika, why didn't Hanyuu let the Rika of 1987 just...keep living the life she wanted? Or was this specific consciousness of Rika also pulled into the loops for some reason? (The more I try to think about it the less any of it actually makes any sense...) Because Rika died. No idea if Satoko did it or was some bad luck. But I bet it was Satoko. |
ssjokg said: Gar_Logan said: Why did Hanyuu loop Rika at all? I thought that even if we call them "loops" they are actually different fragments. If Satoko started "looping" to create a world where she could stay with Rika, why didn't Hanyuu let the Rika of 1987 just...keep living the life she wanted? Or was this specific consciousness of Rika also pulled into the loops for some reason? (The more I try to think about it the less any of it actually makes any sense...) Because Rika died. No idea if Satoko did it or was some bad luck. But I bet it was Satoko. I guess I'm jumping the gun a little - I was guessing that because of what just happened in this episode, Satoko will start looping like, right now. But yeah, there is still time for some tragedy to happen in 1987. |
Gar_Logan said: I've been thinking about these points a bit too, and indeed there's a lot that just doesn't make sense.Something I don't really get (and I mean, the explanation is probably supernatural so it doesn't matter...) is that -Rika started talking to Hanyuu when she was thrown back into the loops again (in the anime, randomly in ep 2, in the manga, post her death in Onidamashi). Hanyuu had a damaged horn and explained some of the situation to Rika, and called herself just a "lingering trace of herself." -In Ep 14(?) in Nekodamashi, Hanyuu's horn appears healed, she leaves Rika, and uses her remaining power to give Rika memories from each loop. (Which I also don't get...didn't she have that already during the previous three arcs?) -Ep 20, Satoko meets this being (Featherine, complete Hanyuu, Oyashiro, whatever) and presumably will be able to start looping. (i.e. this arc happens 5 years after Matsuribayashi-hen but also before any of the -Damashi arcs.) So... Even though Hanyuu got fixed or became complete (or reverted back to Featherine, however you want to describe it), she still existed AS Hanyuu (at the same time??) in that sea of fragments long enough to talk with Rika twice? If she had already become Featherine I don't get how that makes sense... What is the "reason" that Rika doesn't remember those 3 previous arcs? (No idea, but don't think there's any good reason either) And what comes to Hanyuu, I think we can safely say that Featherine (or whatever she is supposed to be) happened before episode 2. And if that is the case, what does that make Hanyuu as? Being a "Lingering Trace" of herself would imply she is not herself, which all things considering would suggest she is really the Featherine we saw just now. I had this thought that the Hanyuu we saw is just some kind of conscient memory left within the 'Fragment place'/Rika on the looping. But that still doesn't make sense why Rika only now started remembering things. But what was Featherine doing during the earlier Damashi arcs? hmmm... NeonDZ said: I think the point is here, that why these 3 first Damashi arcs are different from Nekodamashi.Gar_Logan said: -In Ep 14(?) in Nekodamashi, Hanyuu's horn appears healed, she leaves Rika, and uses her remaining power to give Rika memories from each loop. (Which I also don't get...didn't she have that already during the previous three arcs?) Rika didn't have full memories of the previous loops - she specifically never remembered anything related to her deaths. In the original, Rika didn't fully remember things revolving around her death yes, and the things are different now in the Nekodamashi. But how do the 3 earlier Damashi arcs fall in between? Suddenly Hanyuu's spirit or whatever just decides to leave and give Rika the power to remember her deaths?.. okay? I don't think there's any reason (atleast good one) that Rika doesn't remember the Damashi arcs. As it this just sounds like a plot-device for the sake of making a plot-device. But I guess we'll hear the "reasoning" for this soon. |
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| I would love to know what happened between episodes 17 and 18 but this is getting really good. Seems Satoko is doing Rika's job now while also learning just how fucked up the school is. I legit think she only place in Special Class because of the prank. That school is corrupt, fucked up, and petty. This show has been a slow burn for many but for me it has been good from the start. I am happy I stuck with it spending all those days marathoning it. |
MasterHavikFeb 20, 2021 2:43 PM
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MasterHavik said: I would love to know what happened between episodes 17 and 18 but this is getting really good. Episode 18 happened before Episode 17. We are seeing what happened after S2 of the original series, before Satoko started looping. |
Gar_Logan said: This is why I should have finished the second after I finished OG when I was younger. :( MasterHavik said: I would love to know what happened between episodes 17 and 18 but this is getting really good. Episode 18 happened before Episode 17. We are seeing what happened after S2 of the original series, before Satoko started looping. |
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Gar_Logan said: NeonDZ said: It's not clear why fragment Hanyuu existed, but she outright says before fading out that the real Hanyuu didn't want that meeting. So, yes, fragment Hanyuu existed at the same time as a separate "real" Hanyuu. Why did Hanyuu loop Rika at all? I thought that even if we call them "loops" they are actually different fragments. If Satoko started "looping" to create a world where she could stay with Rika, why didn't Hanyuu let the Rika of 1987 just...keep living the life she wanted? Or was this specific consciousness of Rika also pulled into the loops for some reason? (The more I try to think about it the less any of it actually makes any sense...) I don't think we're done with the 88 timeline yet. I think Rika will be killed or put into a coma to throw her soul to other worlds alongside Satoko. We know Satoko just wanted to keep her old life going, but it has been hinted that Oyashiro-sama has goals of her own too (Satoko in Nekodamashi kept claiming that she was forced to sacrifice her friends to stop Oyashiro's curse, and there's also the bit about the real Hanyu not wanting fragment Hanyuu helping Rika). Hulio said: I don't think there's any reason (atleast good one) that Rika doesn't remember the Damashi arcs. As it this just sounds like a plot-device for the sake of making a plot-device. But I guess we'll hear the "reasoning" for this soon. Like mentioned above, Satokowashi so far actually takes place before all other Gou arcs. We're seeing how Satoko became a looper in the first place, she isn't one yet. That's why current Rika doesn't remember the Damashi arcs. |
NeonDZFeb 20, 2021 4:49 PM
| oh wow now things just stared to get even more interesting, first of all why does that school even have a prison built into it that’s way over the top. The ending has me on the edge of my seat, now Satako has found a way to that place and a new character has appeared, I can’t help but think she might ask to go back in time to prevent going to that school, can’t wait for the next episode ! |
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| Keiichi with that outfit became the ultimate fucker. Wonder if he and Mion are a thing by this time. Well, for this episode we got Satoko going retarded with that "prank" at St. Lucia and Rika's character somehow doing a 180° regarding her usual behaviour. Besides, a prison inside an all-girls academy? what? man, and here I thought Prison School was the only series that could come up with such ridiculous plot element. And that final sequence... so we officially reached Umineko territory, huh? Well fuck me. As if things weren't already hard enough to follow for my poor anime-only ass. Seriously, I would punch the author if I could. |
ssjokg said: Chargecoulomb said: That is interesting. We still haven't been explicitly said that Hanyuu is Featherine, but that's what many people seem to think. I personally think that it's better if Hanyuu was Featherines game piece instrad of actually being her, but that's just me. I have my own problems with the Horn that fell out of Oyashirosama statue. Literally no where in there series are we shown Ouka cutting Hanyuus horn off. Im pretty sure they retconnned part of Hanyuus past. Regardless of that. We still don't know what Featherine actually wants. For me, if she is Hanyuu it makes no sense for her to help Satoko instead of Rika. Even as her Umineko self, Why would she throw someone related to her miko under the bus? I think there was never any doubt that Hanyuu was her piece. The difference is whether Featherine was 100% herself during the game thus affecting her piece. I actually have no issues with the broken horn. Who put it there? Why was the statue so easily broken? Magic. The Witch of Theatergoing, Drama and Spectating just loves that kind of shit. If it is a process for Bern's creation/birth then why not? We dont know how the time axis works for witches. And we also know that she outright abandoned her miko due to a logic error. It isnt that farfetched for her to trap Rika. I guess so. However the consensus so far seems to be be that Hanyuu herself became Featherine in Gou. Or to be more specific that Featherine became Hanyuu after her memory device was damaged. I can't really see Featherines memory device affecting Hanyuu as a piece because she already had her backstory and such in Higurashi. It does make more sense for them to be two different beings, but then again fragment Hanyuu does say that the other her did not want her to be there. If that is the actual Hanyuu, it would make no sense for her to not help Rika. That part is interesting. Obviously it wasn't the real Hanyuu, but if the 'other her' was Hanyuu instead of Featherine. Wouldn't it mean that Hanyuu abandoned Rika? The Rika that she uses to motivate other Rikas to fight fate, makes no sense to abandon her. You're right, We don't really know how time works for witches. But it doesn't make sense for Bern to be Born in Gou and then go back and help Rika to understand the rules. As far as origin stories go though Lambda also says somewhere that Bern was Originally Featherines cat looking for something interesting to revive her master. Makes more sense when put with her latter, but who knows? |
random_weirdo said: Okay, overall I liked this episode. It was refreshing seeing the club back again at play, I really missed those bonding moments between them. I also give them props for making a better conflict with the trap that Satoko made, because there you can understand both sides and see why Satoko would blame Rika even if Rika actually protected Satoko from both her bitches and the school. Nonetheless, I still don't think it's enough for Satoko to trap Rika in loops, so I'm expecting something to happen next episode to push things over the edge. Speaking of which, I'm really surprised at the handful of people who have been saying that Rika deserved what she got. Like damn, you're really condoning endless murder and physical and psychological torture because of a falling out between friends that happens all the time? Sure, I think Rika has some share of the blame in their estrangement, and I've been very vocal about my dissatisfaction with Rika's behaviour ever since episode 3, but in no way does that justify fucking murder. I know most people are aware of this, but I've seen a few people actually saying she got what she deserved and that really worries me. Toxic much? Also, I'm confused about something. Isn't this supposed to be 1988? When Satoko pulled her trap on Rika and the bitches, it was summer/autumn of 1987. Then winter came and Satoko was told that for her second year, she would be entered in the special class. Then we saw seasons change again to spring, then summer. So by my calculations, it's summer of 1988. But I see many people saying this is 1987. Am I missing something? Lastly, I've seen many people complain about minor details (such as the ridiculous orange jumpsuit and the ridiculous rope that tightened with the snap of Satoko's fingers, which were silly but minor), but not about the biggest continuity error here. We know that the Satoko here entered the shrine when she was little. Given what we know from Tatarigoroshi, the statue's arm should be broken off after Satoko's visit. Yet not only is the saiguden empty and unlocked (which I already saw some people complain about), but the arm is completely whole? Wt actual f? Is this some Featherine illusion or a mistake on the anime's part? Featherine can screw with stuff as much as she wants to. Heck you can even attribute the character personality changes to her if you want. She just does things to suit her whims, and to keep herself from getting bored. You could literally put anything on her, which is a problem when writing a character like her. The anime has many small details changed, most likely on purpose. There is a video on YouTube pointing out all the small changes, check it out if you have the time. The pose of the statue, the location of the classroom, the small waterwheel that Mion, Rena and Keichii meet at... And so on. The world is Matsubiriyashi not Tatarigoroshi. Each world has small changes to it, something that happened in Tatarigoroshi doesn't need to happen in Matsubiriyashi and vice versa. It's a different world, not the same one being looped. Both Rika and Satoko didn't deserve what they got. That's what makes it so hard to empathize with either of them. Although Featherines probably gonna convince Satoko that she's Oyashirosama and make her kill Rika to make her repent. The arc starts with 1987 so we call it that. |
ChargecoulombFeb 20, 2021 10:19 PM
| [quote=Chargecoulomb message=62076700] ssjokg said: Chargecoulomb said: I think there was never any doubt that Hanyuu was her piece. The difference is whether Featherine was 100% herself during the game thus affecting her piece. I actually have no issues with the broken horn. Who put it there? Why was the statue so easily broken? Magic. The Witch of Theatergoing, Drama and Spectating just loves that kind of shit. If it is a process for Bern's creation/birth then why not? We dont know how the time axis works for witches. And we also know that she outright abandoned her miko due to a logic error. It isnt that farfetched for her to trap Rika. I guess so. However the consensus so far seems to be be that Hanyuu herself became Featherine in Gou. Or to be more specific that Featherine became Hanyuu after her memory device was damaged. I can't really see Featherines memory device affecting Hanyuu as a piece because she already had her backstory and such in Higurashi. It does make more sense for them to be two different beings, but then again fragment Hanyuu does say that the other her did not want her to be there. If that is the actual Hanyuu, it would make no sense for her to not help Rika. That part is interesting. Obviously it wasn't the real Hanyuu, but if the 'other her' was Hanyuu instead of Featherine. Wouldn't it mean that Hanyuu abandoned Rika? The Rika that she uses to motivate other Rikas to fight fate, makes no sense to abandon her. You're right, We don't really know how time works for witches. But it doesn't make sense for Bern to be Born in Gou and then go back and help Rika to understand the rules. As far as origin stories go though Lambda also says somewhere that Bern was Originally Featherines cat looking for something interesting to revive her master. Makes more sense when put with her latter, but who knows? Simple. If Featherine's memory device is lost/damaged ten she is lowered to a piece. What we dont know is if this happened after he started/joined the Higurashi gameboard. Rika would hate Witch Bernkastel and would join her enemies when possible, I bet. And we really dont know the extend of what Hanyuu could do i Gou. Did she have a choice? I always thought of Bern that helps Rika as a different Bernkastel, which is why I usually use Frederika for Higurashi appearances and Bern/Bernkastel for Umineko. Saikokoroshi makes it a point about Rika separating from Frederika as well. Only question is if that happened in Gou. Witches have lots of "origins", as red herrings or referencs. Lambda has conenctions to both Takano and Satoko to the point you just stop thinking about it. And....well...if a cat tried to revive its Master then it was no mere cat. |
| I am really mad for not being able to see Shion grown up but okay. A lot of people were calling for Featherine, so congrats to you all. The OP contained so many spoilers at this point though, but I guess without them it would have been harder to predict it all? So maybe it played the role of the hints and TIPS. Cannot wait to see how it goes from now on. And I am honestly so disappointed in Rika. A part of me understands, cause people change and they grow up and we're talking about a person who is 100+ older who wants to escape her life from before, so the more she gets far from how it used to be, the better is for her - but at the same time you asked your friend to be with you and then you left her behind. She could have asked the others to let Satoko join her or at least talk to her. So honestly I am so disappointed. It's true that Rika have always had the tendecy to run away from things and never face them but this is too much and it comes from someone who isn't fond of Satoko at all and adores Rika. But well. Cannot believe the school has a real jail lmao, wtf they even had the uniform ._.'' |
_RizeFeb 21, 2021 1:25 AM
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Chargecoulomb said: You're right, We don't really know how time works for witches. But it doesn't make sense for Bern to be Born in Gou and then go back and help Rika to understand the rules. Bern helping Rika understand the rules is manga-only though. In the VN it's a 4th wall breaking dialogue with the player and the anime made it a Rika monologue. Rika called herself Bern in Saikoroshi, so it doesn't make sense for her to be a separate existence before that (when at the end in the VN Rika speculates that although she decided to live as a human her self that manipulates fate still exists in a higher world). Either way, if Gou is Bern's origin it must be ignoring Rei (which I do think is happening, since they never mentioned Rei's resolution about accepting Rika's next death). Rei was very vague and odd about it, while I think Gou's ending might be much more direct if it's setting up Bern, especially since they seem to be confirming the Hanyuu/Featherine connection already. |
ssjokg said: Simple. If Featherine's memory device is lost/damaged ten she is lowered to a piece. What we dont know is if this happened after he started/joined the Higurashi gameboard. Rika would hate Witch Bernkastel and would join her enemies when possible, I bet. And we really dont know the extend of what Hanyuu could do i Gou. Did she have a choice? I always thought of Bern that helps Rika as a different Bernkastel, which is why I usually use Frederika for Higurashi appearances and Bern/Bernkastel for Umineko. Saikokoroshi makes it a point about Rika separating from Frederika as well. Only question is if that happened in Gou. Witches have lots of "origins", as red herrings or referencs. Lambda has conenctions to both Takano and Satoko to the point you just stop thinking about it. And....well...if a cat tried to revive its Master then it was no mere cat. The two are most likely the same since Uminekos Bern also tends to write the same poems that Higurashi's does. Although it's not that concrete of evidence. Bernkastels letter is also interesting, we are not fully sure who she addressed it to, but the belief is that it's to Featherine. If that is the case then everything takes a different meaning. The description given is far more of what happened to her friend is far more extreme than becoming a piece. About Bern being a cat, I don't see why can't be both. Although none of Featherines cats are just mere cats. Discussing Umineko characters is a slippery slope. |
Chargecoulomb said: ssjokg said: Simple. If Featherine's memory device is lost/damaged ten she is lowered to a piece. What we dont know is if this happened after he started/joined the Higurashi gameboard. Rika would hate Witch Bernkastel and would join her enemies when possible, I bet. And we really dont know the extend of what Hanyuu could do i Gou. Did she have a choice? I always thought of Bern that helps Rika as a different Bernkastel, which is why I usually use Frederika for Higurashi appearances and Bern/Bernkastel for Umineko. Saikokoroshi makes it a point about Rika separating from Frederika as well. Only question is if that happened in Gou. Witches have lots of "origins", as red herrings or referencs. Lambda has conenctions to both Takano and Satoko to the point you just stop thinking about it. And....well...if a cat tried to revive its Master then it was no mere cat. The two are most likely the same since Uminekos Bern also tends to write the same poems that Higurashi's does. Although it's not that concrete of evidence. Bernkastels letter is also interesting, we are not fully sure who she addressed it to, but the belief is that it's to Featherine. If that is the case then everything takes a different meaning. The description given is far more of what happened to her friend is far more extreme than becoming a piece. About Bern being a cat, I don't see why can't be both. Although none of Featherines cats are just mere cats. Discussing Umineko characters is a slippery slope. All of that shit is why this should be the answer to everything: |
| i wish i can read the vn of umineko... h-hanyu?? omgougrhgk lol why has her voice gotten much deeper than any of the other characters like rika's nipah and the way she talked was still similar even though satoko could've reach out to rika last ep i can't help but feel bad for her |
umjis said: i wish i can read the vn of umineko... Or you know. You can read the manga. With Tachiyomi or any old web browser you can literally read it on your phone. So yeah.... Jean-Antoine said: Finally, Higurashi Gou anime only discussion turned into Umineko fuck you only discussion. They introduced a Umineko Character, so now it's directly connected. Any discussion beyond this is probably gonna involve Umineko. You'll love the subreddit. |
ChargecoulombFeb 21, 2021 4:56 AM
Chargecoulomb said: umjis said: i wish i can read the vn of umineko... Or you know. You can read the manga. With Tachiyomi or any old web browser you can literally read it on your phone. So yeah.... Jean-Antoine said: Finally, Higurashi Gou anime only discussion turned into Umineko fuck you only discussion. They introduced a Umineko Character, so now it's directly connected. Any discussion beyond this is probably gonna involve Umineko. You'll love the subreddit. yeah ikk i'm just too lazy to read it since the series looks quite long but thank uu |
| Loved this episode . Had a good balance of everything I love about higurashi. I loved the foreboding feeling it had the whole episode. I was sat there thinking, I know shit is about to go down I just don’t know when. 😂 |
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