Is Ecchi really needed for an anime to get more interesting ?

Jalvi_2812 said:
I don't understand what Ecchi genre adds quality wise to an anime, seeing that many recent animes includes this genre.

Do you think Ecchi adds some excitement to the storyline or the characters in a given anime..?

FrozenLich said:
I always hated the ecchi components of Food Wars since the cooking battles were plenty interesting on their own as was the "shonen superpower explanation by an observer" type of praises given to the dishes by judges. Ecchi in such a show felt totally unnecessary.

Vendea said:
Absolutely not. If anything, it can rather ruin show for me with unneccessary ecchi elements. Only exception is if show's whole premise stands on ecchi. Also make it equal at least - give girls some eye candy too, not just guys.

StormxNightmare said:

^This.

Ecchi is honestly more likely to make anime worse than improve them at all. Literally not a single show would get worse, if it would stop unnecessarily sexualizing its female cast.
Anime with the only puprose of being ecchi are fine ofc, cause that's all they're about and the viewers only watch it for the ecchi anyway.

Berserk_monkE said:
I'm surprised @Ipreferecchi hasn't commented yet.

Manaban said:
@FrozenLich @Xaeveax @StormXNightmare @Vendea

I like how people just say the same old bullshit and then start tacking on caveats like OH BUT IT'S OK IF IT'S AN ECCHI SHOW. This seems like the dictionary definition of insincere, conciliatory bullshit. Do you think someone like me is going to give you a thumbs up, you pass? Do you think I give a shit if you want to tack on some politicking bullshit at the end of your opinion? Do you think I fucking buy into that? Comedic pauses. Referential humor. Slice of life episodes based around character interaction. None of these do anything especially more for a narrative itself than an ecchi scene will.

A comedy scene, even in non-comedy anime - of which there are *plenty* of comedic pauses in non-comedy anime, far more than ecchi fanservice - is meant to be funny. References are meant to make the audience feel like they're part of an in-joke. Episodes centered around character interaction that don't progress the overarching narrative are meant to showcase the characters outside of the environment of the main show. Ecchi fanservice is meant to be erotic. Out of these 4 examples of different ways of interacting with the audience in ways that don't actually add anything to the show's narrative itself - a comedic pause or panty shot won't help the protagonist find the Dragon Balls any faster than seeing his green friend act like a babysitter will - this criticism is only ever consistently applied to the last one, which is ecchi fanservice.

Trying to make it a matter of narrative utility and then only that criticism in an extremely targeted fashion would make it appear that it's little more than a proxy for pretending that it's about more than whether or not it's ecchi fanservice. When you can't apply it elsewhere, though, it makes it seem like you're using a typical bullshit rhetoric tactic of claiming that your problem is about something greater, that what your issue is goes beyond just this specific area, then only ever applying it *to* that specific area.

Actions speak louder than words, though. There are fuck all actions from people who fall back really hard on this generalized criticism to actually back up the idea that it's not about ecchi fanservice being used specifically, and is indeed instead more about "whether or not its integrated into the narrative or if it distracts from it" - and, shocker, the reason this type of logic only gets applied with ecchi fanservice is because the narrative utility bit is bullshit in the first place. It's putting makeup on a pig. It's trying to take something you dislike or are uncomfortable with and trying to pretend that the fact you don't like it or are uncomfortable with it doesn't actually factor into your criticism, and it seeks to do so through bullshit terminology that you only ever apply in this case and conveniently ignore in any other applicable case that *isn't* ecchi fanservice.

So yeah, I don't buy it. I don't buy the narrative utility bit. To start, it sounds like the most turbovirgin thing ever and I've always felt that way - "Hey guise, timeout. Anime tiddie should only be in the show when it has thematic or narrative purpose. This doesn't have it so it shouldn't be there." Which, yes, making fun of how it sounds doesn't add anything to the "narrative" of my post. I'm just saying it to be insulting to express annoyance since I'm not a fucking robot who will zoom in on a single goal I want to achieve in saying something and do nothing else along the way. Cough cough, think about the implications of that and how it actually is "narrative relevant" to my post. More directly "narrative-relevant" is the fact that it's a general criticism that would imply it goes beyond just whether or not it's ecchi, yet is only ever conveniently applied *to* ecchi fanservice, makes it smell really shitty. So fuck off with that noise. And take your insincere, conciliatory caveats and fuck off with those, too. I really hate these condescending attempts at trying to sound like you're not anti-ecchi fundamentally, yet in application that's precisely how you people apply this. I'd rather somebody be direct and head on about it than pussyfoot around like this, because if you can't consistently apply these values and can only ever apply something like narrative utility in an extremely targeted fashion, then yes, it's still going to come off like it's less about how the content is being implemented into the show and more on what the content itself is. Be honest and stop hiding behind layers of fucking bullshit.

Just fucking say you don't like fanservice and cut the grandstanding narrative utility shit. Nobody's going to burn your fucking house down for having the popular opinion. It's just that you'll either go all in with the narrative utility bit and start saying shit like "Hey guise, please confine jokes and funny moments exclusively to comedy anime." to match your perspective of something needing to add to the narrative's progress to justify existing within that show, or you'll shut the fuck up because confining jokes exclusively to comedy anime sounds fucking stupid and that's about at the level you're all operating at whenever you start saying shit like this.

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The real answer is no but I voted yes to be a spiteful asshole since I just hate the way this thread turned

FrozenLich said:


So you read the entire thread, looking for people who wanted ecchi only on some circumstances, and wrote a long post about how our attempts to convince YOU was wrong? I just replied to the OP. Doesn't matter if I convince anyone. But thanks for the laugh though. Only an idiot would take this so seriously enough to waste this much time.

Jalvi_2812 said:
I don't understand what Ecchi genre adds quality wise to an anime, seeing that many recent animes includes this genre.

Do you think Ecchi adds some excitement to the storyline or the characters in a given anime..?

Manaban said:

Whether you're trying to convince me or not isn't exactly relevant to that, and I don't see why anybody would interpret that as being the case. Did you just want to write YOU in all caps or something?

Manaban said:


Do you think someone like me is going to give you a thumbs up, you pass?

Do you think I give a shit if you want to tack on some politicking bullshit at the end of your opinion?

Do you think I fucking buy into that?

So yeah, I don't buy it.

I don't buy the narrative utility bit.

Manaban said:
@FrozenLich @Xaeveax @StormXNightmare @Vendea

I like how people just say the same old bullshit and then start tacking on caveats like OH BUT IT'S OK IF IT'S AN ECCHI SHOW. This seems like the dictionary definition of insincere, conciliatory bullshit. Do you think someone like me is going to give you a thumbs up, you pass? Do you think I give a shit if you want to tack on some politicking bullshit at the end of your opinion? Do you think I fucking buy into that? Comedic pauses. Referential humor. Slice of life episodes based around character interaction. None of these do anything especially more for a narrative itself than an ecchi scene will.

A comedy scene, even in non-comedy anime - of which there are *plenty* of comedic pauses in non-comedy anime, far more than ecchi fanservice - is meant to be funny. References are meant to make the audience feel like they're part of an in-joke. Episodes centered around character interaction that don't progress the overarching narrative are meant to showcase the characters outside of the environment of the main show. Ecchi fanservice is meant to be erotic. Out of these 4 examples of different ways of interacting with the audience in ways that don't actually add anything to the show's narrative itself - a comedic pause or panty shot won't help the protagonist find the Dragon Balls any faster than seeing his green friend act like a babysitter will - this criticism is only ever consistently applied to the last one, which is ecchi fanservice.

Trying to make it a matter of narrative utility and then only that criticism in an extremely targeted fashion would make it appear that it's little more than a proxy for pretending that it's about more than whether or not it's ecchi fanservice. When you can't apply it elsewhere, though, it makes it seem like you're using a typical bullshit rhetoric tactic of claiming that your problem is about something greater, that what your issue is goes beyond just this specific area, then only ever applying it *to* that specific area.

Actions speak louder than words, though. There are fuck all actions from people who fall back really hard on this generalized criticism to actually back up the idea that it's not about ecchi fanservice being used specifically, and is indeed instead more about "whether or not its integrated into the narrative or if it distracts from it" - and, shocker, the reason this type of logic only gets applied with ecchi fanservice is because the narrative utility bit is bullshit in the first place. It's putting makeup on a pig. It's trying to take something you dislike or are uncomfortable with and trying to pretend that the fact you don't like it or are uncomfortable with it doesn't actually factor into your criticism, and it seeks to do so through bullshit terminology that you only ever apply in this case and conveniently ignore in any other applicable case that *isn't* ecchi fanservice.

So yeah, I don't buy it. I don't buy the narrative utility bit. To start, it sounds like the most turbovirgin thing ever and I've always felt that way - "Hey guise, timeout. Anime tiddie should only be in the show when it has thematic or narrative purpose. This doesn't have it so it shouldn't be there." Which, yes, making fun of how it sounds doesn't add anything to the "narrative" of my post. I'm just saying it to be insulting to express annoyance since I'm not a fucking robot who will zoom in on a single goal I want to achieve in saying something and do nothing else along the way. Cough cough, think about the implications of that and how it actually is "narrative relevant" to my post. More directly "narrative-relevant" is the fact that it's a general criticism that would imply it goes beyond just whether or not it's ecchi, yet is only ever conveniently applied *to* ecchi fanservice, makes it smell really shitty. So fuck off with that noise. And take your insincere, conciliatory caveats and fuck off with those, too. I really hate these condescending attempts at trying to sound like you're not anti-ecchi fundamentally, yet in application that's precisely how you people apply this. I'd rather somebody be direct and head on about it than pussyfoot around like this, because if you can't consistently apply these values and can only ever apply something like narrative utility in an extremely targeted fashion, then yes, it's still going to come off like it's less about how the content is being implemented into the show and more on what the content itself is. Be honest and stop hiding behind layers of fucking bullshit.

Just fucking say you don't like fanservice and cut the grandstanding narrative utility shit. Nobody's going to burn your fucking house down for having the popular opinion. It's just that you'll either go all in with the narrative utility bit and start saying shit like "Hey guise, please confine jokes and funny moments exclusively to comedy anime." to match your perspective of something needing to add to the narrative's progress to justify existing within that show, or you'll shut the fuck up because confining jokes exclusively to comedy anime sounds fucking stupid and that's about at the level you're all operating at whenever you start saying shit like this.

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The real answer is no but I voted yes to be a spiteful asshole since I just hate the way this thread turned

FrozenLich said:

Seems an awful lot of talking about your preferences alone here in case you missed out.

FrozenLich said:

Also, people can have opinions however they want to. I didn't know whether mine confirmed to the majority and I didn't care either. If you want to have either a Yes/No type of opinion on it, go ahead. Does not mean we have to change our opinions to confirm to your standards.

Xaeveax said:

Holy shit, you're really invested in arguing with randoms on the internet?. Congrats. IAll I said was that I don't think it's necessary and that I prefer ecchi shows to be their own thing so I can avoid them. No need to write out a novel about it. Sorry that I insulted your body pillow collection.