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Dec 8, 2020 11:29 PM
#1
Yes... it's getting worse right now. For situational example, there was a certain YouTuber named Pyrocynical who has been alleged of being a FURRY groomer (for having FURRY Sex roleplay) towards kids in Discord four years ago. At his first debunk towards allegations, he stated that he hadn't know her age yet since the user who alleged him now didn't put age in her bio in Discord... and now, Turkey Tom comes to debunk with counter-argumentative evidence that the user who alleged him had already mentioned her age being 15 while (Pyro?) was 19 around that time. However, at that time, (Pyrocynical's?) Discord account had been deleted due to "moving on?" reasons. The image above is (Pyrocynical's?) DELETED Discord account with the user who also debunks the user who alleged her too. Well, does that mean he has done and move on from it? Well, technically yes. He's out from that league; however, why did that user alleges him for doing stuff that has happened 4 years ago? Does that feel random when it's a long time ago that a person can forget about it? Why do we have to feel that it's still hurting even if it's a long time? My point here is that... Does it fucking matter when you feel bad about the situation you had enjoyed doing it IN THE FIRST PLACE while being anonymous and consented towards it... and now you feel bad about it (Talking about guilty pleasure)? Is it the accuser's fault that the way she justifies him is still naughty and insecure to the fact that bringing this up suddenly is an attempt to have a confirmation bias? Just what in the world does Cancel Culture even supposedly works? Look, I'm neither side of them, but bringing up the past's mistake is just like you're blaming his younger self towards his currently older self when he moves on from it. Unless it has physically done, it's still valid... but what about in just online interaction? How fucking absurd that is? |
HanashiD4Dec 8, 2020 11:41 PM
"You don't get it, a million sorry's is not equal to one thank you." — Emilia |
Dec 8, 2020 11:37 PM
#2
Am I misreading or are you also victim blaming? If he knowingly had sex roleplay with a fifteen year old, he deserves all the shit he's getting. However, unless I'm misreading, you're just going to blame the victim? |
Dec 8, 2020 11:39 PM
#3
Kagami said: Am I misreading or are you also victim blaming? If he knowingly had sex roleplay with a fifteen year old, he deserves all the shit he's getting. However, unless I'm misreading, you're just going to blame the victim? The point here is that the "victim" had already consented to do stuff like that in the first place. Does it worth a blame towards him? Well, it's worth a blame towards herself and together, but does she actually deserve herself to be painted as "victim" from the beginning? |
"You don't get it, a million sorry's is not equal to one thank you." — Emilia |
Dec 8, 2020 11:42 PM
#4
How does a 19 year old groom a 15 year old anyways? They are both still retarded. |
Dec 8, 2020 11:44 PM
#5
HanashiD4 said: Kagami said: Am I misreading or are you also victim blaming? If he knowingly had sex roleplay with a fifteen year old, he deserves all the shit he's getting. However, unless I'm misreading, you're just going to blame the victim? The point here is that the "victim" had already consented to do stuff like that in the first place. Does it worth a blame towards him? Well, it's worth a blame towards herself and together, but does she actually deserve herself to be painted as "victim"? The irrational cycle of victim blaming continues. To your point. If a 23 year old wants to sleep with a 14 year old... If she says okay that makes it okay? Its a bad look and illegal to groom a kid. He KNEW her age. He ALSO deleted his account. Its a bad look. However sure, let's continue the endless cycle that is victim blaming. |
Dec 8, 2020 11:46 PM
#6
Sometimes I also feel like we need to cancel cancel culture. Remember back in the BLM movement college kids were getting exposed to racist things they said? Some exposed clips were unacceptable but some were out of context. It pissed me off when that one Twitter account known for exposing people got their colleges involved and got people in trouble for “doxing.” BTW I hate racism but cancel culture goes too far nowadays... |
Dec 8, 2020 11:47 PM
#7
I am not sure about cancel culture, but the first paragraph alone can cause a severe and irreversible IQ loss. |
Dec 8, 2020 11:51 PM
#8
Also, its a laughable excuse in first paragraph: "If you were being groomed, you would have blocked him!!". How does one read an excuse that shitty and not think its suspicious? |
Dec 8, 2020 11:55 PM
#9
Kagami said: HanashiD4 said: Kagami said: Am I misreading or are you also victim blaming? If he knowingly had sex roleplay with a fifteen year old, he deserves all the shit he's getting. However, unless I'm misreading, you're just going to blame the victim? The point here is that the "victim" had already consented to do stuff like that in the first place. Does it worth a blame towards him? Well, it's worth a blame towards herself and together, but does she actually deserve herself to be painted as "victim"? The irrational cycle of victim blaming continues. To your point. If a 23 year old wants to sleep with a 14 year old... If she says okay that makes it okay? Its a bad look and illegal to groom a kid. He KNEW her age. He ALSO deleted his account. Its a bad look. However sure, let's continue the endless cycle that is victim blaming. However, does DELETING THE ACCOUNT mean asserting his dominance over her? If he would have been keeping his Discord account, then it would have been possible for him to deserve the blame for asserting his dominance over her. That would be a bad look to me. But in DELETING ACCOUNT case, that means he was ceasing this situation before it would have gone worse because he was aware of that beyond-the-standard circumstances too, but still, his current time turns out to be inevitable with that exposed value despite his moral hypothesis. It's not what you called victim blaming, it's what you called bias blaming |
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Dec 9, 2020 12:01 AM
#10
HanashiD4 said: Kagami said: HanashiD4 said: Kagami said: Am I misreading or are you also victim blaming? If he knowingly had sex roleplay with a fifteen year old, he deserves all the shit he's getting. However, unless I'm misreading, you're just going to blame the victim? The point here is that the "victim" had already consented to do stuff like that in the first place. Does it worth a blame towards him? Well, it's worth a blame towards herself and together, but does she actually deserve herself to be painted as "victim"? The irrational cycle of victim blaming continues. To your point. If a 23 year old wants to sleep with a 14 year old... If she says okay that makes it okay? Its a bad look and illegal to groom a kid. He KNEW her age. He ALSO deleted his account. Its a bad look. However sure, let's continue the endless cycle that is victim blaming. However, does DELETING THE ACCOUNT mean asserting his dominance over her? If he would have been keeping his Discord account, then it would have been possible for him to deserve the blame for asserting his dominance over her? That would be a bad look to me. But in DELETING ACCOUNT case, that means he was ceasing this situation before it would have gone worse because he was aware of that beyond-the-standard circumstances too, but still, his current time turns out to be inevitable with that exposed value despite of his moral hypothesis. It's not what you called victim blaming, it's what you called bias blaming You're definitely victim blaming. Let's put 2 and 2 together. He knowingly had roleplay sex with a kid. He then DELETED his account. Why? Obviously to hide the evidence.. Your reasoning for his account deletion makes little sense. THEN, the excuse is "If she was being groomed, she would have blocked him". Its all really silly and I'm not buying it. Also, to publicly say a KID was enjoying sexual dms is gross and would never hold up in court. Nice try. |
Dec 9, 2020 12:18 AM
#11
Kagami said: HanashiD4 said: Kagami said: HanashiD4 said: Kagami said: Am I misreading or are you also victim blaming? If he knowingly had sex roleplay with a fifteen year old, he deserves all the shit he's getting. However, unless I'm misreading, you're just going to blame the victim? The point here is that the "victim" had already consented to do stuff like that in the first place. Does it worth a blame towards him? Well, it's worth a blame towards herself and together, but does she actually deserve herself to be painted as "victim"? The irrational cycle of victim blaming continues. To your point. If a 23 year old wants to sleep with a 14 year old... If she says okay that makes it okay? Its a bad look and illegal to groom a kid. He KNEW her age. He ALSO deleted his account. Its a bad look. However sure, let's continue the endless cycle that is victim blaming. However, does DELETING THE ACCOUNT mean asserting his dominance over her? If he would have been keeping his Discord account, then it would have been possible for him to deserve the blame for asserting his dominance over her? That would be a bad look to me. But in DELETING ACCOUNT case, that means he was ceasing this situation before it would have gone worse because he was aware of that beyond-the-standard circumstances too, but still, his current time turns out to be inevitable with that exposed value despite of his moral hypothesis. It's not what you called victim blaming, it's what you called bias blaming You're definitely victim blaming. Let's put 2 and 2 together. He knowingly had roleplay sex with a kid. He then DELETED his account. Why? Obviously to hide the evidence.. Your reasoning for his account deletion makes little sense. THEN, the excuse is "If she was being groomed, she would have blocked him". Its all really silly and I'm not buying it. Also, to publicly say a KID was enjoying sexual dms is gross and would never hold up in court. Nice try. I am really confused by Ivory’s inconsistency. There is evidence to suggest that he has engaged in fantasy roleplay with another individual similar in age to me. This individual was also not aware of Ivory’s age at the time. But in this particular example, it was [Ivory who very much initiated and directed the roleplay. https://imgur.com/a/EDZwnOo After Ivory alleged that I “groomed” him, this individual then reached out to him to apologise for any hurt he may have inadvertently caused him. To which Ivory responded: “no ur fine idc”. https://imgur.com/a/K7Kyd6y This quote above comes from his argument within his own subreddit. If he stated that the victim "Ivory" who very much initiated and directed the roleplay, will that makes sense that she's being proactively hypocrite in the first place? She had perpetually engaged on it for the long time, even if she also had been engaging with someone else besides Pyrocynical. |
HanashiD4Dec 9, 2020 12:22 AM
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Dec 9, 2020 12:24 AM
#12
Who the fuck even cares enough about the internal drama of some riff raff to get angry about it and make it into a political issue. Wait, I know who. Carry on... |
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Dec 9, 2020 12:57 AM
#13
Um excuse me, when you put yourself out there on the internet and grow a name for yourself there will ALWAYS be people coming after you. Cancel culture and bullying is something that'll never cease to exist at this point. To defend someone you haven't personally known in real life FOR A COUPLE YEARS is a problem in itself too. So he did a shitty thing, now he has to take the backlash & that's out of anyone's control, but in time it goes away and something new will be trending in less than a week from now. |
Dec 9, 2020 9:59 AM
#14
I can't take OP seriously because this thread goofy as hell and discord hella corny. |
Dec 9, 2020 11:12 AM
#15
Pyrocynical? Hmmm... where have I heard this name... Oh! It was this lil Brit f***** who did a one-hit wonder vid on Dank Souls Definitely looks like a sick f*** not too surprised he's into the furry game lmao Berserkerz said: cant take op seriously with that goofy ass kpop picture. also, fuck pyrocinical. This too. I wonder what type of freaky stuff OP fantasizes about doing to the poor soyboy in the pfp... shudders just thinking about it lol |
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Dec 9, 2020 11:15 AM
#16
It's time to cancel cancel culture................. |
Dec 9, 2020 11:26 AM
#17
Regardless of what he's done, there's only one solution to the furry question. Edit: That's far from "cancel culture." This is literally just some obscure e-drama that's come back to bite some degenerate in his flea infested furry ass. I thought you were really gonna shock the hell out of us by saying that Australia banned some more anime because think of the children or some shit. |
ZekkenshinDec 9, 2020 11:51 AM
Dec 9, 2020 11:36 AM
#18
If someone is caught doing something awful and illegal (with actual evidence, not a random person just saying stuff online), it should be reported to the police and let them deal with it. I don't really get this "cancel culture". There's no need for regulars acting purely on emotion to pile on. |
Dec 9, 2020 11:40 AM
#19
Is people getting mad at an adult furry grooming an underage girl really "cancel culture going too far"? Or do you just not like people getting mad at a Youtuber you like. |
Dec 9, 2020 11:45 AM
#20
Turkey Tom? I haven't heard that name in ages... I remember when he tried to paint Digibro as a pedophile for liking moe and loli anime and then tried to debate him in a stream (and failed). Boy, that was cringy. |
Dec 9, 2020 11:51 AM
#21
MAL is getting cringe af. How is a 19 y/o boy sexting with a 15 y/o boy disgusting. They are 4 years apart and both retarded gay furries. Nothing immoral happened. |
Dec 9, 2020 2:46 PM
#22
Very nice I never liked Pyrocynical and his content in the first place |
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Dec 9, 2020 2:50 PM
#23
Kaasfondue said: MAL is getting cringe af. How is a 19 y/o boy sexting with a 15 y/o boy disgusting. They are 4 years apart and both retarded gay furries. Nothing immoral happened. agreed, they are in the same age range... |
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Dec 9, 2020 4:10 PM
#24
In this case I don't care if pyro gets cancelled |
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Dec 9, 2020 4:21 PM
#25
Kaasfondue said: MAL is getting cringe af. How is a 19 y/o boy sexting with a 15 y/o boy disgusting. They are 4 years apart and both retarded gay furries. Nothing immoral happened. The moment you called them "retarded gay furries" was the moment you lost all credibility to be seen as mature with your comment. Anyway, most people would disagree with you. Either way, its obvious that the Pyro guy is lying so I'm not even sure why you're defending him. He knowingly sexted with a woman that age and then deleted his account. However, the excuse for his actions is the most stereotypical response you'd see from a guilty party: "If she was being groomed, she would have blocked him!!!". That is a typical response you see from someone or a group attempting to flip blame on the victim. Just because she didn't block him doesn't mean the victim wasn't groomed. Also, they are publicly announcing a fifteen year old enjoyed the perverted dms which is also gross and disgusting. |
Dec 9, 2020 4:25 PM
#26
HAHAHAHAHA! Imagine actually believing "Cancel Culture" is real. Can someone CANCEL me? So I can bitch and whine like a VICTIM and then get money from literally retarded people who believe I was "Cancelled"? Jesus Fucking Christ! |
Dec 9, 2020 4:25 PM
#27
Cancel culture is stupid. I can't think of a single big incident where it actually meant the end of someone's career. |
Dec 9, 2020 4:30 PM
#28
Bloomberry said: Cancel culture is stupid. I can't think of a single big incident where it actually meant the end of someone's career. even shane dawson is coming back and he got canceled a couple months ago, Everytime no matter what they do it always fades away and people lose interest. |
Dec 9, 2020 4:31 PM
#29
I want to get "cancelled" too! Can I pretend to be a victim too?! Gimmie free money!!! |
Dec 9, 2020 4:50 PM
#30
Berserkerz said: I did all of that when I was 15...Koji_Kojiusame said: Kaasfondue said: MAL is getting cringe af. How is a 19 y/o boy sexting with a 15 y/o boy disgusting. They are 4 years apart and both retarded gay furries. Nothing immoral happened. agreed, they are in the same age range... Imagine thinking that 19 is in the same age range as 15. One is a young adult that can drive/work/smoke/drink, while 15 year olds are still children that haven't even finished puberty yet. Get your weird ass out smh. Kagami said: 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭Kaasfondue said: MAL is getting cringe af. How is a 19 y/o boy sexting with a 15 y/o boy disgusting. They are 4 years apart and both retarded gay furries. Nothing immoral happened. The moment you called them "retarded gay furries" was the moment you lost all credibility to be seen as mature with your comment. Kagami said: Then most people are stupid!!!!Anyway, most people would disagree with you. Kagami said: Either way, its obvious that the Pyro guy is lying so I'm not even sure why you're defending him. He knowingly sexted with a woman that age and then deleted his account. However, the excuse for his actions is the most stereotypical response you'd see from a guilty party: "If she was being groomed, she would have blocked him!!!". Jesus, you and OP are horrible at reading/searching stuff online. Stop getting info from random Twitter users??? You keep saying woman/girl/she but it was a 15 y/o boy. How am I supposed to believe anything you say is "the obvious". I've never watched Pyrocynical in my life. All it took is going to his Reddit where he has his defense. https://www.reddit.com/r/pyrocynical/comments/jrsu4v/addressing_the_false_allegations/ Kagami said: That is a typical response you see from someone or a group attempting to flip blame on the victim. Just because she didn't block him doesn't mean the victim wasn't groomed. Also, they are publicly announcing a fifteen year old enjoyed the perverted dms which is also gross and disgusting. Provide proof he was groomed and that Pyro knew his age. Then again, I don't think it matters whether he was 15 or over 16. This shit aint even enough to cancel someone. It's fucking furry RP, no one cares. |
Dec 9, 2020 5:08 PM
#31
@Kaasfondue - I don't care if its a he, she or an it. Your comment is a fallacy and is also a desperate attempt to make my comment seem untrustworthy. Not to mention, you are openly defending adults having sex roleplay with someone under aged sixteen. Nobody cares what you did when you were under sixteen. Just because you did this doesn't make it right. 19 is old enough to be out of highschool. 15 is young enough to be a 9th grader. Very few parents would allow their 15 year old kid to have sexual relations with someone aged 19. Nor would the court. So... your argument simply sucks. "I did this at 15 so its right!". Also, let me humor you for a moment and say he's innocent. WHICH I highly doubt due to the atrocious excuse by his followers in which I pointed out multiple times. It doesn't matter. You are sitting here supporting a 19 year old sexting with an underage 15 year old. You think its okay. So, it doesn't even matter if he groomed this person or not. You care more about them being retarded gay furries and defending a 19 year old sexting a 15 year old. Mal in a nutshell. |
Dec 9, 2020 5:57 PM
#32
Bloomberry said: Cancel culture is stupid. I can't think of a single big incident where it actually meant the end of someone's career. Look up at JennaMarbles. She was cancelled for her past doing a "racist" joke. Well, she did mock something about Asian and also doing a blackface tho. |
"You don't get it, a million sorry's is not equal to one thank you." — Emilia |
Dec 9, 2020 6:31 PM
#33
Kagami said: @Kaasfondue - I don't care if its a he, she or an it. Your comment is a fallacy and is also a desperate attempt to make my comment seem untrustworthy. Not to mention, you are openly defending adults having sex roleplay with someone under aged sixteen. Nobody cares what you did when you were under sixteen. Just because you did this doesn't make it right. 19 is old enough to be out of highschool. 15 is young enough to be a 9th grader. Very few parents would allow their 15 year old kid to have sexual relations with someone aged 19. Nor would the court. So... your argument simply sucks. "I did this at 15 so its right!". Also, let me humor you for a moment and say he's innocent. WHICH I highly doubt due to the atrocious excuse by his followers in which I pointed out multiple times. It doesn't matter. You are sitting here supporting a 19 year old sexting with an underage 15 year old. You think its okay. So, it doesn't even matter if he groomed this person or not. You care more about them being retarded gay furries and defending a 19 year old sexting a 15 year old. Mal in a nutshell. 🤦♂️ Bro... What fallacy? His argument was an appeal to authority (the different laws for each age), I broke his logic by mentioning 15 y/os can do all those things he said they couldn't. So far, all you've done is appeal to the majority and authorities. Wait, and lie. You claimed to know what happened as if you were there and know both personally. I can't tell if you're genuinely this dense or just trolling. I assume the latter, for your sake, honestly. @Berserkerz If I was Pyro I would've """groomed""" him into cosplaying as a catgirl and eating my ass. |
KaasfondueDec 9, 2020 6:37 PM
Dec 9, 2020 6:38 PM
#34
Umm... btw... That pic in my main message isn't actually my intention to show the "excuse" he made in the first pic. What I'm actually trying to proof with that support is the Discord status itself. |
"You don't get it, a million sorry's is not equal to one thank you." — Emilia |
Dec 9, 2020 6:43 PM
#35
Kaasfondue said: Kagami said: @Kaasfondue - I don't care if its a he, she or an it. Your comment is a fallacy and is also a desperate attempt to make my comment seem untrustworthy. Not to mention, you are openly defending adults having sex roleplay with someone under aged sixteen. Nobody cares what you did when you were under sixteen. Just because you did this doesn't make it right. 19 is old enough to be out of highschool. 15 is young enough to be a 9th grader. Very few parents would allow their 15 year old kid to have sexual relations with someone aged 19. Nor would the court. So... your argument simply sucks. "I did this at 15 so its right!". Also, let me humor you for a moment and say he's innocent. WHICH I highly doubt due to the atrocious excuse by his followers in which I pointed out multiple times. It doesn't matter. You are sitting here supporting a 19 year old sexting with an underage 15 year old. You think its okay. So, it doesn't even matter if he groomed this person or not. You care more about them being retarded gay furries and defending a 19 year old sexting a 15 year old. Mal in a nutshell. 🤦♂️ Bro... What fallacy? His argument was an appeal to authority (the different laws for each age), I broke his logic by mentioning 15 y/os can do all those things he said they couldn't. So far, all you've done is appeal to the majority and authorities. Wait, and lie. You claimed to know what happened as if you were there and know both personally. I can't tell if you're genuinely this dense or just trolling. I assume the latter, for your sake, honestly. You can call me dense, but your argument is ridiculous and you're the one defending 19 year olds sexting with 15 year olds. Nobody actually cares what you did at 15. It doesn't make it right. The moment you went there and doubled down on it was the moment your opinion became silly.You also called people who think its wrong "stupid". I want you to walk outside and tell 100 parents your opinion on 19 year olds having sexual relations with 15 year olds. Yes, sexting counts. Also, tell them you think its okay and they're stupid for the likely negative response you'll get from a majority. |
Dec 9, 2020 6:44 PM
#36
FYI, deleted Discord users do retain the number code and can be all sorts of colors, so the claim pertaining to that in the screenshot is not currently true, though it may have been true in the past. |
Dec 9, 2020 7:05 PM
#37
Kagami said: Kaasfondue said: Kagami said: @Kaasfondue - I don't care if its a he, she or an it. Your comment is a fallacy and is also a desperate attempt to make my comment seem untrustworthy. Not to mention, you are openly defending adults having sex roleplay with someone under aged sixteen. Nobody cares what you did when you were under sixteen. Just because you did this doesn't make it right. 19 is old enough to be out of highschool. 15 is young enough to be a 9th grader. Very few parents would allow their 15 year old kid to have sexual relations with someone aged 19. Nor would the court. So... your argument simply sucks. "I did this at 15 so its right!". Also, let me humor you for a moment and say he's innocent. WHICH I highly doubt due to the atrocious excuse by his followers in which I pointed out multiple times. It doesn't matter. You are sitting here supporting a 19 year old sexting with an underage 15 year old. You think its okay. So, it doesn't even matter if he groomed this person or not. You care more about them being retarded gay furries and defending a 19 year old sexting a 15 year old. Mal in a nutshell. 🤦♂️ Bro... What fallacy? His argument was an appeal to authority (the different laws for each age), I broke his logic by mentioning 15 y/os can do all those things he said they couldn't. So far, all you've done is appeal to the majority and authorities. Wait, and lie. You claimed to know what happened as if you were there and know both personally. I can't tell if you're genuinely this dense or just trolling. I assume the latter, for your sake, honestly. You also called people who think its wrong "stupid". Yeah, with 5 exclamation marks. I don't mind people believing it's wrong and that people should abide the AoC law. As long as they don't pretend each case is the same, not every 15 y/o is immature and not every 19 y/o is mature. Healthy sexual relationships can exist between people of these ages. If I'm wrong, explain how 16 is so much different from 15. Because you seem to believe it would always be completely fine then. I won't reply back though. |
Dec 9, 2020 7:21 PM
#38
Kaasfondue said: Kagami said: Kaasfondue said: Kagami said: @Kaasfondue - I don't care if its a he, she or an it. Your comment is a fallacy and is also a desperate attempt to make my comment seem untrustworthy. Not to mention, you are openly defending adults having sex roleplay with someone under aged sixteen. Nobody cares what you did when you were under sixteen. Just because you did this doesn't make it right. 19 is old enough to be out of highschool. 15 is young enough to be a 9th grader. Very few parents would allow their 15 year old kid to have sexual relations with someone aged 19. Nor would the court. So... your argument simply sucks. "I did this at 15 so its right!". Also, let me humor you for a moment and say he's innocent. WHICH I highly doubt due to the atrocious excuse by his followers in which I pointed out multiple times. It doesn't matter. You are sitting here supporting a 19 year old sexting with an underage 15 year old. You think its okay. So, it doesn't even matter if he groomed this person or not. You care more about them being retarded gay furries and defending a 19 year old sexting a 15 year old. Mal in a nutshell. 🤦♂️ Bro... What fallacy? His argument was an appeal to authority (the different laws for each age), I broke his logic by mentioning 15 y/os can do all those things he said they couldn't. So far, all you've done is appeal to the majority and authorities. Wait, and lie. You claimed to know what happened as if you were there and know both personally. I can't tell if you're genuinely this dense or just trolling. I assume the latter, for your sake, honestly. You also called people who think its wrong "stupid". Yeah, with 5 exclamation marks. I don't mind people believing it's wrong and that people should abide the AoC law. As long as they don't pretend each case is the same, not every 15 y/o is immature and not every 19 y/o is mature. Healthy sexual relationships can exist between people of these ages. If I'm wrong, explain how 16 is so much different from 15. Because you seem to believe it would always be completely fine then. I won't reply back though. Anybody under 16 is way too young in my opinion. I myself would never have sex with anybody under 18. Its icky to me. However, under 16 is a level above icky. Its disturbing. In my opinion. I'm not saying all 15 year olds are immature. However, somebody aged 19+ will always be in the power position over them. A 9th grader is still in that really young agegroup that is considered taboo for a reason. I think adults should only have sex with adults if the adult is out of highschool. If you're 18, you might fall under romeo and juliet laws. Maybe. However, who wants to be that 19 year old dating a 9th grader? Say it out loud and you can understand how weird it is. |
Dec 9, 2020 7:23 PM
#39
The wording here is too much a pain to follow so I will just reply to the general topic not this case. The primary problem with cancel culture is it assumes guilty until proven innocent then if proven innocent the actions try to get justified. There also is the problem of harassment from it which can at times be worse than what someone was being accused of especially if they are innocent or otherwise did no wrong. Pretty much same issues as lynch mobs. There is the additional issue of when people act on the behalf of someone else without their consent which drags them into the drama as well which can greatly harm them either by going against their will or by making them a target for harassment in the backlash the public spectacle will create. Scanning through how many times it's brought up reminds me for a while now I've noticed people don't use the term 'grooming' right anymore. It used to and still does mean gaining trust of a child with the ulterior motive of taking advantage of their naivety that they are in an increasingly sexual situation due to not knowing about sex. So it pretty much only ever was applied by professionals to people sexually preying more on little kids and toddlers or sometimes someone older if they were mentally comparable from cognitive deviations. |
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Dec 10, 2020 12:41 AM
#40
It isn't so much OK as it is "where're their parents?" and a belief that people 20 and under are minors, not 18 and under. And anything in 4 years is normal attraction (according to psychiatry), and unless he had knowing sustained PHYSICAL attraction and knowing attraction to a 14 year old (the gap he would need), he wouldn't meet the definition of a pedophile. 15 is the edge of young adulthood and 24 is the end of young adulthood. They are in the same developmental period. It isn't so much a defense as it is that I know kids lie and omit (which is a good thing, please keep lying about being a 300 year old vampire). I personally did that myself when I was a teenager. Pretty sure what I did wasn't sex. It was writing stories at each other. God if you wanna call me typing on the internet the same as kissing and everything else... geez. My dad knew I was writing sexy stuff on the internet. He just told me not to exchange my information and lie about myself always. Also, books do not have age limits. I could check out some very intense material from my local library. Was that sex with the author? I know the law is diff. But sometimes laws are just not written with reality in mind. And if twitter mobs taught me anything, if they aren't going to the police, if the person they re on about is just an internet celeb. If they aren't even suing, don't take them to heart. I have had kids lie to me. When I was 20? yeah I could not see through internet kids lying. And adults couldn't see through my lies when I was a teen either. I can hardly see through lies in general... under 15s just tend to be very bad liars. high schoolers aren't like... kids. they are young adults. and all young adults are pretty vulnerable. PS. in case you can't figure out my stance, I just think people who you think are too young to be doing this sort of thing be banned from talking on the internet. There is no practical way to protect their safety. Adults can't physically see this person. (unless you know if images were shared of themselves). There is no way an adult, especially a young adult would even know. The reason why adults re held responsible IRL is because we can presumably protect ourselves and separate much more easily as well as have visual cues. Anyway, please consider the following, it is actually very difficult to enforce obscenity on the internet. He would have had to KNOWN their age. And even then, if the https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/966/harmful-to-minors-laws I tried to look up several different ways "how to tell if a person is actually a child on the internet" and "how an adult can protect themselves from kids trying to enter nsfw spaces" and there is nothing that shows up on google for me. It is all the other way. asking parents to do this and kids to do that. there is no advice out there for us adults with no kids. |
Energetic-NovaDec 10, 2020 1:25 AM
The anime community in a nutshell. |
Dec 10, 2020 12:46 AM
#41
This isn't the worst of cancel culture. The worst is actually digging up stuffs from 50 years ago and not giving people a chance, not considering the context, and not taking contemporaneous social standards into consideration. Everything demands an apology. After people forget new apology is needed. Man do people fear of getting offended. Also the whole point of cancel culture is so self-absorbing, tribal-like and hypocritical. The best thing to do (if you don't wanna waste your time) is to fake yourself following the norms and be disgustingly agreeable. For instance, if you hold a different belief from trans' gender theory, then you're a transphobe. Not because you hate them simply for their gender, but because you disagree with a systematically oppressed group of people. So just dont'. I will master the art of falsely being a mindless drone sooner or later. I study in Melbourne after all. Can't deal with everything if everything is already 'radically progressive' in the first place. |
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Dec 10, 2020 1:04 AM
#42
Dec 10, 2020 1:10 AM
#43
#CancelCancelCulture ArabianLuffy said: someone hasn't tried itheh..... sex texting is for losers. |
Dec 10, 2020 1:15 AM
#44
hverfa said: someone hasn't tried it and hopefully never encounter such situation in person, in real life with some 17, 16, 15, 14 years old girl, because it's tempting. There is no guarantee I won't. |
Dec 10, 2020 1:30 PM
#45
its always been worse ever since its conception and its always existed in journalism sections its only now that its more televised |
Dec 10, 2020 1:37 PM
#46
Internet drama is too exhausting. But like, when I was a tween I'd message with random people and no one would ever really say their age. I definitely pretended to be 18+ on some occasions, especially as a teen you just want to fit in with the big crowd and not look like a kid when you feel mentally mature (though you aren't). It's dumb to turn random chats into drama, especially from years ago. It's all just a witchhunt to gain clout from "dethroning a YouTuber" or whatever, but you play with people's livelihood. If nothing happened that could even be brought to the attention of authorities, why even post it publically honestly. |
Dec 10, 2020 1:52 PM
#47
Witch hunts and heresy trials are nothing new, it just has a secular repackaging now. Race/gender wrongthinkers are the equivalent of people who got pelted by rocks in some medieval village for claiming that the world is round. Either embrace your role as a heretic and be smart about it, or take the path of least resistance and just consoom Marvel movies and eat the bugs and don't ask questions about how you can't recognize your own country anymore. But don't do this "SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT" "DID YOU EVER NOTICE HOW THE LEFT ARE THE REAL BIGOTS" thing where you waste time projecting good intentions on admitted authoritarians who openly want to destroy you, it's embarrassing for both sides. |
Dec 10, 2020 3:12 PM
#48
To clarify things up, I’m not here to defend either Pyrocynical or Ivory. I’m just being neutral, but at the same time, I have a heavy concerns towards what she’s trying to post. No, what I’m actually concern about is her proactive intentions to have sexting towards others besides Pyro himself. There’s a link that I previously replied to Kagami in regards to Pyro’s message about false allegations. If you’ll ever see “no ur fine idc” message from Ivory himself, then what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Is that what you called bias blaming to the point that he doesn’t blame others except Pyro himself? If that’s an inconsistent reply based on what Pyro actually said, does Ivory’s intention mean to be a fucking call-out towards public media itself? That “no ur fine idc” response is actually skeptical and contradictory towards her outside intention. By the way, Ivory is unironically gay person tho. |
"You don't get it, a million sorry's is not equal to one thank you." — Emilia |
Dec 10, 2020 6:22 PM
#49
Still waiting to get cancelled so I can whine like a little bitch and be able to call myself a victim. God, it must feel sooooo good to be the victim! |
Dec 10, 2020 6:43 PM
#50
Oh, yet again another disgusting internet attitude is hailed as something worth preserving when the words "cancel culture" are invoked. |
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