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Nov 20, 2020 3:51 AM
#151
Just send updates to Mion character page, about spoiler on it (which is not fact anymore, as on this episode we saw what we saw, madness + scratch marks on her neck) |
GaichiNov 20, 2020 4:13 AM
"A half moon, it has a dark half and a bright half, just like me…", Yuno Gasai |
Nov 20, 2020 3:58 AM
#152
If "Mion" (still don't sure if this was her or Shion), take K1 into "safest place" how Ooishi find him? K1 wasn't n the torture chamber and he was unconscious. Did Ooishi know about other room? I think Rika killed herself and Mion find her dead and don't wanted to K1 see her like this, so that's why she called him. She believes in curse and thinks since Rika is dead everyone will fall into HS that's why she freak out. |
Nov 20, 2020 4:12 AM
#153
LittleStar said: If "Mion" (still don't sure if this was her or Shion), take K1 into "safest place" how Ooishi find him? K1 wasn't n the torture chamber and he was unconscious. Did Ooishi know about other room? I think Rika killed herself and Mion find her dead and don't wanted to K1 see her like this, so that's why she called him. She believes in curse and thinks since Rika is dead everyone will fall into HS that's why she freak out. It is the police. It make sense that they would search the area. It isnt exactly a hidden place. It was clear in this ep that Mion doesnt believe that there is a real curse. |
Nov 20, 2020 4:26 AM
#154
And very likely in next arc "Tataridamashi-hen": My biggest wildest guess is that Satoshi is finally introduced in Gou in this arc (in original he was not "available", and this lead to bad things on many characters), that would be very major change to original! another guess would be, that Teppei is not there. We get deceived again :D |
GaichiNov 20, 2020 4:38 AM
"A half moon, it has a dark half and a bright half, just like me…", Yuno Gasai |
Nov 20, 2020 5:08 AM
#155
Great episode! I love the mysteries from this anime |
B O C C H I S W E E P |
Nov 20, 2020 5:41 AM
#156
This was a nice twist, in the original Higurashi anime, Shion was the killer, but this time around, it is Mion. However, I honestly prefer the original Higurashi anime over this one so far (and I do not think that opinion will change). |
Nov 20, 2020 5:53 AM
#157
ssjokg said: Jin_uzuki said: ssjokg said: Vongalaxy said: Tsukumo_Yuuma said: "they just change the culprit to someone different" We don't know that, it's probably still Shion and yes the episode is full of mysteries maybe you're the one who watched the wrong episode lol try explaining what happened to us please because it seems no one here can figure it out. The ending clearly presented Mion as the culprit and anything else is just speculations that most likely won't lead anywhere. The whole twin swap mystery is executed really poorly compared to the original and the well reveal doesn't really change our perception of the arc unlike the original. I will eat my words if this is supposed to be a setup for some answer arc where we will go back to explore the same arc and there is actually a really good payoff but until then, this arc can suck my dick. The whole point of Rika's character is that she has the tenacity to keep going despite her despair and that's how she achieved the miracle in the original higu and got out. She barely did anything these last two arcs from what we have seen and she only spent the bare minimum effort of advising Keiichi. It's pretty out of character for her to give up especially when the setback wasn't even that big. Pretty sure Rika learned more than to just tell Keiichi when she got out of the last Higu and she realized that she shouldn't just abandon a shard just because shit isn't going well. You say all that as if Rika didnt give up several times even before the end of Kai, off screen or on screen. She did, but this isn't Kai Rika, this is post Saikoroshi-hen Rika, who knows the value of friendship and miracles. Unless she's doing stuff behind the scenes, her behaviors feel extremely out of characters to me, it barely feels like she's trying. Heck, even in the original novel, before she gave up, Rika DID try a lot, even crazy plans like trying to leave Hinamizawa to hide in the woods. She didn't gave up immediately, she gave up because nothing worked. And now she is in a world where the Rules that she so confidently claimed to know do not apply. And since near the later parts of Kai she can only go back less than 2 weeks. It isnt out of character to think she can fix things if she avoids the tragedies of the og kakera. If everyone else is losing it while she puts focus on the people that she thinks will trigger a tragedy then she cant do much at all, especially without more info that she doesn't have. And don't know about you but if, after all that struggle, I was sent back to relive it, now with new rules, I would despair as well. Unless something is happening to her, Rika is human, she has emtions and limits. It isnt ooc to lose it and bitch about it. Unless we actually get her pov we can't really talk about her being ooc for being mad for losing another world. She doesn't know the rules do no apply, she knows something is "off" because Hanyuu is not with her but she's still operating under the old rules: She thinks calming down Keiichi and giving the doll to Mion will "fix" things, but she also /should/ know that doing these things doesn't anything because they have little to do with her getting murderer by Takano in the end. Even in Rei's world, when she's throw back in the past, before she realizes it's a totally different world, she mentions how she'll have to gather everyone again to beat fate. As that other person said, the first thing she should have done is trying to pull a Matsuribayashi at least. Heck, I would say her behaviors contradict her own stance in this very anime, given how she talks about beating fate in episode 2! |
Jin_uzukiNov 20, 2020 5:56 AM
Nov 20, 2020 5:56 AM
#158
I love these episodes that end with "EVERYONE DIES". Just gives me soo much nostalgia of watching the original series. How gruesome and traumatic watching this as a teenager was. AWESOME EPISODE. I wonder whose arc is next... Shion? RIP Shion... |
Nov 20, 2020 6:14 AM
#159
ItzElite said: Lol Just realized that the class teacher is a parody of Ciel from Tsukihime. (In the credits it says special thanks to type-moon) In the All Cast Review of Ch 4 in the VN, Chie uses black keys to murder Keiichi in the dark lol. |
Nov 20, 2020 6:25 AM
#160
Can someone explain to me what's going on? In the fourth episode, they were all dead except Kei and Mion, and then like they went back so we see what happened, but it's going to a different way Mion has to stay alive. I am completely confused!! |
Nov 20, 2020 6:27 AM
#161
houssam_04 said: Can someone explain to me what's going on? In the fourth episode, they were all dead except Kei and Mion, and then like they went back so we see what happened, but it's going to a different way Mion has to stay alive. I am completely confused!! Aternate Timelines/World Reset. It will get explained near the end of the series. |
Nov 20, 2020 6:35 AM
#162
ArcueidBestGirl said: houssam_04 said: Can someone explain to me what's going on? In the fourth episode, they were all dead except Kei and Mion, and then like they went back so we see what happened, but it's going to a different way Mion has to stay alive. I am completely confused!! Aternate Timelines/World Reset. It will get explained near the end of the series. ohhh I get it now thanks |
Nov 20, 2020 6:55 AM
#164
Jin_uzuki said: She doesn't know the rules do no apply, she knows something is "off" because Hanyuu is not with her but she's still operating under the old rules: We are fighting over my wording now? Hanyuu isnt with her, Rule Y is broken as far as she knows and while Rule X still happens, it throws her off guard because either multiple people are affected by it or the key event that would avoid that doesnt actually help. Many people already theorized that would happen. Jin_uzuki said: She thinks calming down Keiichi and giving the doll to Mion will "fix" things, but she also /should/ know that doing these things doesn't anything because they have little to do with her getting murderer by Takano in the end. It is meaningless to confront her if even one of her friends are dead or crazy. We dont actually know if she did anything else apart from warning her friends. For better or worse we arent following her perspective. Jin_uzuki said: Even in Rei's world, when she's throw back in the past, before she realizes it's a totally different world, she mentions how she'll have to gather everyone again to beat fate. As that other person said, the first thing she should have done is trying to pull a Matsuribayashi at least. And how will she do that if Rena is already L5, Keichi is half way there, the twins have different issues to deal with etc etc? Jin_uzuki said: Heck, I would say her behaviors contradict her own stance in this very anime, given how she talks about beating fate in episode 2! We have only seen what she does in regards to the MC we are following. We dont know if she even tried to do anything else. Some people theorize she did. But,to repeat myself, it is pointless to face her killer and escape her death if even one of her friends are dead. Hell, in Kai she struggled for nothing else other than EVERYONE being saved, including her killer. Again, being mad that things go south isnt ooc. |
Nov 20, 2020 7:15 AM
#165
Nov 20, 2020 7:26 AM
#166
LittleStar said: If "Mion" (still don't sure if this was her or Shion), take K1 into "safest place" how Ooishi find him? K1 wasn't n the torture chamber and he was unconscious. Did Ooishi know about other room? I think Rika killed herself and Mion find her dead and don't wanted to K1 see her like this, so that's why she called him. She believes in curse and thinks since Rika is dead everyone will fall into HS that's why she freak out. A couple of things I don't see how Rika could have gotten marks of strangling on her neck if she hadn't been killed herself. That took place right after her talk with Keiichi, as I'm pretty sure her neck looked normal before that. And Shion/Mion blamed several people for the "curse" while shaking the ladder, Rika included. That may not confirm anything, but it's pretty strong evidence that it was her doing. |
Nov 20, 2020 8:21 AM
#167
did satokok plant a devious trap how the hell does she kill anyone |
Nov 20, 2020 9:30 AM
#168
This was pretty obvious I think from the episode because she was barely in it and didn't get brought up at the end, but the aftershow (https://www.onsen.ag/program/higurashi#) confirms Rena survived this arc. |
Nov 20, 2020 9:42 AM
#169
FlamepriesT said: A couple of things I don't see how Rika could have gotten marks of strangling on her neck if she hadn't been killed herself. That took place right after her talk with Keiichi, as I'm pretty sure her neck looked normal before that. And Shion/Mion blamed several people for the "curse" while shaking the ladder, Rika included. That may not confirm anything, but it's pretty strong evidence that it was her doing. Oh, right... Ooishi at the end said that Rika was brutally kill... |
Nov 20, 2020 9:54 AM
#170
Gar_Logan said: This was pretty obvious I think from the episode because she was barely in it and didn't get brought up at the end, but the aftershow (https://www.onsen.ag/program/higurashi#) confirms Rena survived this arc. A shame that we westerners(well most of us) have no idea of this. |
Nov 20, 2020 10:22 AM
#171
I might be looking too deep into this, but during the conversation there's a point where Keichi and who we believe is Mion are talking about the town, and how everyone comes together against a threat. Keichi says this: "Right... Like when those punks were threatening me" https://prnt.sc/vmzzyz Mion says "that's right" I don't think Mion knew about the bikers? If she didn't, the reply "that's right" seems a bit... off |
Nov 20, 2020 10:31 AM
#172
Nov 20, 2020 10:41 AM
#173
SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: I just loved that Mion confession. Honestly, I'm genuinely lost as to how different this ark is. Like, wow! Can someone explain the differences for this episode as compared to Deen? OG: Rika and Satoko when missing GOU: Rika went missing and was killed in a different place OG: They searched for Rika at night GOU: They searched for Rika in the day OG: Mion/Shion was about to nail Keiichi's fingers GOU: Mion/Shion doesn't try to harm him OG: Keiichi dies GOU: Keiichi lives There are more but these are the main ones I think. |
Nov 20, 2020 10:50 AM
#174
ArcueidBestGirl said: Damn...... GOU is really spinning the wheels like anything. Thanks for the explanation.SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: I just loved that Mion confession. Honestly, I'm genuinely lost as to how different this ark is. Like, wow! Can someone explain the differences for this episode as compared to Deen? OG: Rika and Satoko when missing GOU: Rika went missing and was killed in a different place OG: They searched for Rika at night GOU: They searched for Rika in the day OG: Mion/Shion was about to nail Keiichi's fingers GOU: Mion/Shion doesn't try to harm him OG: Keiichi dies GOU: Keiichi lives There are more but these are the main ones I think. |
Nov 20, 2020 10:55 AM
#175
FlamepriesT said: random_weirdo said: FlamepriesT said: After briefly rewatching the episode and reading some things here and there, here are my thoughts so far: Current thoughts in detail (Higurashi Kai spoilers!) Was it Shion or Mion? Shion. There are 2 major indicators: * Revenge Oryou and Kimiyoshi were killed. * Beliefs about the curse: She blames people like the villagers,the 3 families, etc. Whose body was in the well? Most likely Mion's... with Shion's clothes on. The deaths of Oryou and Kimiyoshi indicate Shion got her revenge. That means she probably subdued Mion first just like in the original, otherwise she would have been stopped. By the time Keiichi went there, Mion was probably already dead. At the very least, it seems like Shion died soon after that... which implies she wouldn't have had time to go kill Mion afterwards. This means there's a fair chance Mion was never imprisoned, but rather just straight up killed on the night of Watanagashi. In the original, Shion shows him to Mion right away, so the fact she locks him away instead seems to support the idea Mion was already dead. Did Shion mean to kill or torture Keiichi? My guess is she didn't, but it's hard to say. The fact is she didn't show him rigth away to Mion. So Mion was possibly dead and Shion merely wanted him not to spill the beans like he almost did when returning from school. There's also the chance she just wanted to "protect him from the curse". But she did shake the ladder to scare him, so I'm not sure. But then again, she might have done that just to prevent him from spilling the beans. So maybe it was both things. Could Mion have been the one to invite Keiichi at all? Highly unlikely, because... * Timing of Rika's death Rika's probably the only one who could have attempted to save Mion, but it doesn't seem she had enough time to pull that off. The reason is that Rika's body was in the outhouse, which Shion prevented Keiichi from investigating. This indicates Rika must have been killed by Shion right after her conversation with Keiichi. Let alone the fact Shion claimed she saw Rika talking to someone else. It sounds like she was trying to create an alibi for herself or something. But... couldn't have Mion broken out of her cell, just like Keiichi? There's no guarantee Mion was ever imprisoned. Keiichi did NOT see her in a cell this time around. However, if Mion was indeed imprisoned, then the fact Keiichi pulled it off could very well be considered foreshadowing. In fact, it's a pretty interesting idea... but I still think it's fair to assume her cell was probably one of those sturdy ones, just like in the original. And even if we accept the possibility Mion broke out of a cell, we'd have to assume... * Mion was still locked when Shion went to school. Remember, Mion wouldn't have said those things in the ladder scene. At the very least, Shion went to school in her place. And that also means Shion would also most likely have to be killed soon after school. * Mion locked Keiichi herself and said all those things Just like in the ladder scene, I don't think she would have spoken like that about the villagers and the curse. That also means she'd have to know precisely who broke into the storehouse, because she mentioned the four names before Keiichi ever confessed who went there with him. In the original, Mion only learned that after Shion imprisoned her. What happened after Shion locked up Keiichi? It's hard to know what happened exactly, so we need to work with the information we have. It seems to me the "forestry service" broke into her residence. They clearly appear in the cameras before Keiichi passes out. They appeared earlier when Keiichi, Rena and Shion were going back home, which suggest something wasn't quite right. The most obvious explanation would be that they were agitated because of the disappearance of Rika. But let's not forget... * The closing of Irie's clinic in arc 1 * Both Tomitake and Takano disappeared in arcs 1 and 2 These new events could be essential to understand what happened. I feel there's something really suspicious going on here. Especially when we consider the fact they never did anything like this in Watanagashi, whereas this time they made a move immediately. This is the very first day after the festival and the same day Rika disappeared. As for what Shion thought upon seeing the visitors... my guess it that she assumed they were villagers/killers/whatever after her life because she had been "cursed". Also, based on Shion's remarks when she saw the screen, I don't think there's any chance it was Satoko. Now, I MIGHT be making a huge mistake about the ones on screen. In theory, those people COULD be the police coming in right after hearing the gunshot. But then, what would be the point of placing a pistol in the crime scene? Let alone the fact they don't look anything like police officers. So to me, that seems like a huge mistake that newcomers may end up making, but not those who've read or seen the original story. So what about Satoko? Hard to know. Maybe she was unlucky enough to go there after the whole incident started? But since the police heard a gunshot, there's probably a good chance that never happened. So I'm more inclined to believe she went there earlier. Shion either imprisoned Satoko or killed her... but if Shion had killed her, she probably would have dumped her body down the well. My guts tell me Shion imprisoned Satoko, but never killed her. Then, the Mountain Dogs (or whoever invaded the place) killed Shion, ran into Satoko, killed her as well, and finally set up a fake confrontation scene between Shion and Satoko. I feel there's a high chance something like that happened, given the fact that Shion took a revolver, but the gun on the floor was actually a freaking pistol. And there's no way that pistol was Satoko's. I don't remember who caught this, but I must praise you for being so perceptive. I actually regret not spotting myself because it's clearly a massive hint. My guess is that the Mountain Dogs killed both of them with a pistol. However, the bullets were probably different enough that the police would pick up on that if they just left the revolver on the ground. So, they had to leave the pistol instead. The only thing iffy is that this seems like it would take awfully long to setup a scene like this, especially if they killed Shion right away (the police heard the gunshot and react). So maybe they weren't killed right away, but rather at the same time after the Mountain Dogs investigated the whole place. Why was Keiichi not killed by the Mountain Dogs? Probably because of the door. It was pretty obvious you can't just open up that door by force. In fact, that was probably the door the Mountain Dogs had to use explosives to get through in Matsuribayashi (final arc of the original). Other interesting stuff * Rika was strangled. She had marks on her neck that suggest she was strangled. * Satoko's behavior She seemed very suspicious of Keiichi at school. That said, I don't think she could have killed Rika, since she was playing with Keiichi. She also didn't have any marks on the side of her neck that we can see in her death scene, unlike Shion. * Shion's neck As someone else mentioned, there were marks on her neck towards the end of the episode when her body is shown. This is in line with her paranoid behavior (blamings everal people for the curse). * No taser Shion usually relies on her taser. The fact that she picked up a real gun once again supports the theory that whoever entered the building at the time was not Satoko. I mean, why on earth would she make such a loud noise and draw people's attention when her taser would have done the job? * The revolver and taser in the OP The OP seems to suggest that while Shion relies on her taser, Mion would rather opt for a gun. That could actually be a hint that somehow, Mion was the one there at the end. But after writing such a wall of text regarding how it couldn't have been Mion, I find it hard to find answers that would properly support that theory. Oh well, there's always the possibility the OP is supposedly just showing Shion posing as Mion, I guess? TL;DR of my current theory (Higurashi Kai spoilers!) Shion killed Oryou, Kimiyoshi and Mion after the festival. Then, she killed Rika before the end of the break at school. The Mountain Dogs began to look for Rika asap. Satoko dropped by to confront her or something and Shion imprisoned her. Shion might have actually locked Keiichi away just to keep him from interfering (without meaning to kill him or anything) or safe from the curse. After Keiichi was locked, the Mountain Dogs entered the residence. The Mountain Dogs killed both Shion and Satoko, then faked their death scene and placed. the pistol they used rather than Shion's revolver. That's a great theory! I think we can be almost completely sure that the twin at the school was Shion. Although Shion should have been grateful that Satoko was casting suspicion at Keiichi because no one would suspect her. If she had just been blaming the man in a gray uniform because she wanted to create an alibi for herself, she would have kept quiet when they were already blaming someone else (like in Meakashi, when she was quite glad when the villagers suspected Keiichi for Satoko and Rika's disappearances). This makes me think that maybe in this arc she likes Keiichi and is more honest with herself about it due to the (supposed) absence of Satoshi as a factor. That could also explain why she was trying to protect Keiichi instead of straight up torture him or kill him. The only thing that doesn't fit in with the Shion did everything theory are the bodies. If we assume that the police work the same in Gou and in the VNs/2006 anime, then they always identify the twins' bodies correctly. If they identified them correctly, then you would have to think that Shion left Keiichi, released Mion and gave her her clothes, and then fell/threw herself off the well while Mion was sent to die in the hands of the Yamainu. I don't get why she would do that, because if she wanted to escape, she could have stayed in the cells and pretend to be a victim just like in Watanagashi and Meakashi (she wouldn't have known the Yamainu's M.O.). It's not impossible, but it requires explanation. To be honest, when I saw Keiichi breaking the cell's door with three shoves I thought that was ridiculous. It would be way more forgivable if it was foreshadowing (backshadowing?) for Mion doing the same. But it could also be that Shion released Mion and planned to do the same as in the VNs, that is stun her so she fell down the well, but Mion somehow resisted and Shion ended up falling down the well. I'm not saying this is what happened (I have many contradictory theories myself), but it's a possibility if Mion were to be the sister protecting Keiichi in the end. Also a small clarification: you say that the door Keiichi was behind was the same the Yamainu blew up in Matsuribayashi, but that's not true. The door they blew up was the one that opened the underground house. Still, the door Keiichi was in could have been made from the same materials. Yeah, there's a ton of stuff to take into consideration. Regarding the bodies of Mion and Shion, I honestly don't have anything concrete. My idea was something along the lines of her clothes having led the the police to incorrectly assume it was her. But you're right in that this would probably be a major blunder and unlikely to be the case. A detail like that could very well invalidate the whole theory as it's a pretty weak argument. That said, Watanagashi was deceptive af with that scene where Mion calls Shion by her original name from her cell, so it's hard to know if something along those lines is happening here. It seems there are all sorts of crazy theories going around (like "Mion and Shion didn't change places at the time the successor was chosen"), so maybe something like that could explain things more logically somehow. On the other hand, I find it pretty hard to justify the events from Mion's perspective. There's so much evidence stacked against that possibility, I don't know if I could ever refute all the points I brought up against it. Even if Mion somehow turns out to be involved, I don't see her going against both Oryou and Kimiyoshi just like that, blaming everyone she did, etc. I feel at least some of that has to be Shion. And yeah, their clothes make theorizing pretty tricky. Maybe L5 Mion broke out of her cell, interrogated and killed Shion (who'd just changed to that white blouse after school for whatever reason), then put on that kimono before talking to Keiichi. If she interrogated Shion, that could help explain some things such as knowing exactly who went to the storehouse. Now, would Mion ever say all those things after shoving Keiichi into that cell? Some of those lines seem to be good lines for her, but others still seem a bit off, so I dont know. I can't deny she's a lot more likely to say those things than what was said in the ladder scene... but she still seems to see the curse in a way Mion wouldn't. And I don't know if L5 Mion would see things so differently. I guess it's a possibility, but I've yet to find more convincing evidence to support it. I was thinking that the analog to the Watanagashi moment where Mion calls Shion "Mion" is the scene of "Mion" saying she loves Keiichi. We're going to be sure it's Mion because she's the one who feels that way for Keiichi, but it was a red herring all along. I'm not sure if I believe the theory that Mion and Shion never switched this time. Their actions until the festival were very in line with the Mion and Shion of the source material. Like Mion being more sensitive and not wanting to discuss the curse while Shion is more manipulative and resentful of the village. I haven't read Saikoroshi yet, so I don't know if there's anything in that arc that could make people believe Gou doesn't have the switch either. I agree with you: Mion's motivations make no sense. If Mion were to be the one talking at the end, I would have to believe that Shion somehow convinced her of her view point. Something more interesting I've noticed is that when Keiichi and Shmion enter the torture chamber, she says she doesn't know if these instruments have ever been used for their intended purpose. This would mean that in this world the nail ripping scene never happened. If Satoshi doesn't exist in this world, as has been speculated before, this would fit in because she wouldn't have compromised her family's name defendig Satoshi from Ooishi. But it would make Shion's motive less strong. I'm not saying she wouldn't have a motive, because we see her being resentful of the Sonozakis and Mion in episodes 5 and 6, but I'm wondering how everything would be reorganized if that were the case. The things that are most like Mion in her scene with Keiichi are her confession and her composure. When Shion snaps, she's far less composed and is prone to violence and manic laughter. Admittedly, she could be acting less crazed because in this timeline she doesn't have a reason to resent Keiichi. |
Nov 20, 2020 11:50 AM
#176
We just have to wait for the next arc to get some confirmation about Satoshi. I really hope they dont avoid the issue again. |
Nov 20, 2020 12:32 PM
#177
A very dark and sad episode. It was nice to see the ladder scene brought back and it was creepier in my opinion. It seems Keiichi keeps surviving these incidents and is left to hear what happened and remembering everything shocked. It was a very nice arc and well concluded. I kind of like how the arcs have more mystery when they end. My question is where is Rena??? did I miss something?? or is my memory just bad?? |
SweetheadNov 20, 2020 12:46 PM
Nov 20, 2020 12:39 PM
#178
Bantarific said: Might've missed someone else mentioning it, but at around 15:45 there's this dialogue: Mion(?) - "That's the spirit of community that binds us villagers together." K1 - "Right, like when those punks were threatening me." Mion(?) - "That's right." I'd say that definitely implies she was there, but it was supposedly Shion who helped him. Could certainly have been Mion just taking her sister's shift, or she could've heard it through the grapevine, but it stood out to me since Mion supposedly wasn't there but she seemed familiar with what happened. Also, right after the punk scene, Shion(?) goes on a long rant about the spirit of community and how great it is. Just some food for thought. Personally, I'd say Yamainu are 100% involved and it wasn't Mion killing everyone. Too many discrepancies (scratches on Mion's neck despite her not scratching before, swapping the gun, being spotted at the school, showing up in the security cams, watching Mion and K1 in the mirror of the car, etc) and them being around all the time to just write it off. Someone else mentioned Satoko being the villain this time and I'm starting to buy it given how she was acting trying to incriminate K1 out of nowhere and disappearing during the festival. We also have to account for Tomitake and Takano's sudden flight after the festival. Given who they are and what they know, what could spook them so much that they'd steal a car and just drive off? I think we could make a case for the Yamainu responding to a new master this time. We know from Matsuribayashi that their real master wasn't Takano but Nomura from Tokyo. It could be that her faction's plan changed and now they want to get rid of everything related to Hinamizawa Syndrome.
It could be that something about Hinamizawa Syndrome was exposed and hence any evidence linking Tokyo with HS needed to go. The Yamainu are now trying to get rid of all traces as soon as possible, which would explain why the deaths of Rika and Satoko in both arcs and Shmion in Watadamashi are so haphazaradly staged, compared to the deaths of Rika's parents or Tomitake, Takano (faked) and Irie in the original. Nomura's faction may even have found out that the Rika's death won't cause a mass hysteria, that's why they kill her with no regrets and in any manner they can find. Killing everyone who possesses even L1 of HS would be impractical, not only because there are people in Okinomiya and other cities who could suffer from it too, but because they don't have Takano as a scapegoat to blame for the massacre and they don't want to receive the blame themselves. Thus, they decide to close down the clinic and destroy all evidence of the research, remove those who know about the research (Takano, Tomitake, Irie and Rika) and kill anyone at L3 or higher (Satoko and anyone who displays violent, paranoid antisocial behaviour). We don't know what happened during Onidamashi, but in Watadamashi perhaps Takano and Tomitake got wind or managed to escape and stole that truck to run away from them. Tbh, the Yamainu or someone from Tokyo trying to kill them is the only reason why I imagine Takano and Tomitake would be desperate or scared enough to very visibly steal a truck and get away. I really want to see Tataridamashi and how Irie is going to go down. If this theory is correct, he may die a lot sooner and by a different method than we know. |
Nov 20, 2020 12:55 PM
#179
Nov 20, 2020 1:04 PM
#180
Unpopular opinions: Bad episode (likely worst so far) and I still prefer the Deen ladder scene for some weird reason. Getting mildly hyped for the next arc tho, gotta see what Passione did to my man Teppei. ssjokg said: Pretty interesting theory. Indeed Satoko has displayed the capability to kill at least another kid before. The problem is that we are talking about Rika. Before assuming that she is the culprit, Satoko being serious and antagonistic if something happens to Rika makes sense. I was just thinking, as far as we bring Umineko into this, isn't the specific reason why Rika stayed in this loop for a hundred years, Lambda? And she's supposedly either controlling or backing up Takano. However from the looks of it, Takano is either getting killed and/or otherways thwarted. The wild thought I had is, that maybe Lambda abandoned Takano, and switched for Satoko. (ofc it's also possible that there's a 3rd party) Regardless, Satoko does seem sus. herrickluk said: The ending graphic shows ‘Mion’ dead, with her neck being clawed at, so if we assume that she’s L5 already, then it may add credence to the theory that Mion simply wants to protect Keiichi and end the cycle, so to speak. But then again, Keiichi gave ‘Mion’ the doll, which was the catalyst for Shion going crazy in OG S1. If we assume the doll scene just altered things slightly in this timeline, it’s possible that it became a catalyst as well (for Mion instead), but for an entirely different reason. At this point, I still think it’s Mion, but I’m open to entertaining other theories. As an end note, I must give huge credit to Yukino Satsuki this episode. That was masterful voice acting during the ladder scene. And I still wholeheartedly believe that keeping the original voice acting cast was the best decision this reboot has made! I wonder if it's just a mistake of the animators, but I'm pretty sure that such wounds to the neck would bleed quite a bit. Ofc they could have been done post-mortem by a 3rd party (The gun is different too so hmmm). I'll stick with her still being Shion tho, maybe they're just deceiving us with the Doll thing. All in all the reaction - if it was Mion - feels off, she also would really need to know some behind the scenes info if she were to act this fast in this manner. Yeah I agree that the best decision (ofc it's by default in Japan) was to keep the old cast, tho overall I still prefer their previous results. The cute voices 6-0 better in Deen, but the age and experience has brought them nice serious sound when needed. |
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
Nov 20, 2020 1:52 PM
#181
Gar_Logan said: This was pretty obvious I think from the episode because she was barely in it and didn't get brought up at the end, but the aftershow (https://www.onsen.ag/program/higurashi#) confirms Rena survived this arc. Ah damn, this word finding game K1: Something Red... Is in Higurashi Rena: BLOOD! pimpompimpom Rena so good in this. Mion Nipaa~ <3 Also it's surprising how similar K1 sounds to Kuzuma on Konosuba Radio o_o |
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
Nov 20, 2020 6:26 PM
#183
Hulio said: Unpopular opinions: Bad episode (likely worst so far) and I still prefer the Deen ladder scene for some weird reason. I can't understand. Just how? |
Nov 20, 2020 7:03 PM
#184
Chie could get my Pie. Also, this episode was underwhelming imo, and that hurts to say because this had everything I wanted in this series: A dead Rika and a focus on Mion. Only a dead satoko would have made this better, an earlier dead Satoko I should say lol But it was a meh episode in the end, so disappointing. |
Nov 21, 2020 6:30 AM
#186
Question, was that really Mion or was it Shion doing the twin magic? |
Nov 21, 2020 7:35 AM
#187
God Keichi is a buffoon. I liked the ladder scene more in the original. The face and weird lip synch made it so creepy. |
Shoot first, think never. |
Nov 21, 2020 7:43 AM
#188
There are too many weird things with this anime. Is that Mion at the end? Is Shion fucking up with Keiichi once again as she did in the original? Is our Shion/real Mion? Did the exchange when they were little even happen here? I don't understand Also about Rika What puts me off here: Why she doesn't talk with anyone? She should either find out if anyone has any memory or talk to them directly. I understand she lacks some memories but she knows she defeated past in the end - her behaviour makes no sense???? Since it's true the has little information but she said in EP2 that she's different from who she used to be since she already defeated fate - it means SHE KNOWS she did in the past but it looks like she's literally doing nothing. I get that Hanyuu isn't there with her but it looks too strange to me that she's just being an observer. Or maybe she's moving and someone she used to trust in the previous lines here is a betrayer? About the clinic Is the clinic NOT operative in this timeline? It looks to me like the Doc is never there and the Yamainu is too much active here. They're EVERYWHERE and they don't even worry about being seen? Also, we keep on seeing them before the Watanagashi, almost like things are happening at a different time? In the previous world, Keiichi couldn't even enter the clinic. Does this have anything to di with Takano and Jirou "disappearance"? Cause to me it still makes no sense Satoshi not being mentioned is so weird. I get that maybe they're just playing the surprise card for new-watches and maybe it's just my head is being tricky, but what if he isn't in a coma for LV5? What if he's somewhere and we will see him in other arcs? And about Satoko she looks like another person in this arc too - in the last arc she was dead near someone else, which is weird? Why didn't Rika hide her like the other times? Again - someone they trust got too close? And in this arc, why is Satoko going alone at Mion's house? And the way she spoke to Keiichi? I bought the LN but I didn't get the opportunity to play them yet so I don't know if I am just missing info that weren't in the original anime. Still I think Satoko plays a different role this time around |
Nov 21, 2020 10:10 AM
#189
Such an intense episode! We need answers and also I feel like this time around maybe the real villain is either an Umineko villain (Because of that silhouette in the op) or maybe a third party (Other than Takano) Or heck maybe even Hanyuu is involved in some bizarre way. |
Nov 21, 2020 10:35 AM
#190
I don't like that they explained that something supernatural is definitely going on in episode 2 but also people that love this series also seem to love to spoil it so I don't know, it's a wash I guess. Inevitable, almost. I've been enjoying this season, Higurashi is written so compellingly, but I've been let down by one particular aspect: the endings to these new arcs. I think it's because there's a lack of personal tragedy. The new series is missing that scene of Keiichi sadly despairing, "why did this have to happen" after killing his friends. Then, after mutually agreeing with Ooishi that there are no such things as curses, at the end he driven mad and tells him in a dramatic scene where Ooishi is trying to get a patrol car to him right away that he does believe in the curse, and that he believes Ooyashiro-sama is behind him. In the new series you do kind of get that scene of him remembering the past him and embracing Rena when he opens the door for her, but it's less dramatic. Similarly the new series doesn't have "Mion" telling Keiichi that there is a demon inside of her and that the demon will win, but Keiichi telling her he forgives the Mion inside of her and being spared. They wrote things differently, with less tragedy, and it just hits different. Man I'm glad we got a new season though. |
FragOutFireNov 21, 2020 10:55 AM
Nov 21, 2020 1:19 PM
#191
So the arc ended after 4 episodes as expected. Ladder scene was good, but it wasn't scary like the 2006 version. At least K1 doesn't die in this arc... nah jk, with Rika dead everyone in Hinamizawa is going to go to level 5 symptoms and die |
Nov 21, 2020 2:08 PM
#192
Dang im confused. So the green haired girl mion killed her sister and the blue haired girl? Why did she do that . She locked up the main character was she gonna kill him too? And from my understanding next episode everything is going to reset |
Nov 21, 2020 2:57 PM
#193
Byniavo said: That doesnt actually happen.So the arc ended after 4 episodes as expected. Ladder scene was good, but it wasn't scary like the 2006 version. At least K1 doesn't die in this arc... nah jk, with Rika dead everyone in Hinamizawa is going to go to level 5 symptoms and die |
Nov 21, 2020 3:12 PM
#194
Ok so what the heck just went down? Are we gonna get explanations to these arcs at the end or is it just gonna keep us guessing. That folklore at the start had me guessing Rika being the true demon bloodline after her change in personality. Also even at the previous arc Satoko and Mion were found dead together. Does the plot happen the same way every arc? Also who else were found at the well beside Shion? Damn these traditions really make up for the goriest memories. |
Nov 21, 2020 4:15 PM
#195
PlayMaker22 said: Hulio said: Unpopular opinions: Bad episode (likely worst so far) and I still prefer the Deen ladder scene for some weird reason. I can't understand. Just how? By being... bad? Both lacked feeling and impact. I've seen some hints of these here and there on this season, but on this episode, not so much. |
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
Nov 21, 2020 5:04 PM
#196
This was a really good episode. I feel like the series is not hiding as much from the audience as compared to the original question arcs. I liked how Keichi and Mion got to show more of their "true" selves in this episode compared to the first series. My only questions with this arc are about the Hojos. Why was Satako the one who confronted Mion? Why did Mion seem to know what happened to Satako's parents. Did Mion know what Satoshi did to his Aunt? Stupid Higurashi, why you always got to be so damn confusing. |
Nov 21, 2020 11:37 PM
#197
Hulio said: Unpopular opinions: Bad episode (likely worst so far) and I still prefer the Deen ladder scene for some weird reason. Because the new one is stupid. In the old one Keichi was in danger of falling. In the new one he could have just jumped on the roof. |
Nov 21, 2020 11:42 PM
#198
jTiKey said: Hulio said: Unpopular opinions: Bad episode (likely worst so far) and I still prefer the Deen ladder scene for some weird reason. Because the new one is stupid. In the old one Keichi was in danger of falling. In the new one he could have just jumped on the roof. I didnt know that jumping from a moving ladder is a safe thing to do. Who could have thought. /s |
Nov 22, 2020 12:03 AM
#199
ssjokg said: I didnt know that jumping from a moving ladder is a safe thing to do. Who could have thought. /s It is amazingly safe. |
Nov 22, 2020 12:05 AM
#200
Now i know that you never have,not once in your life, climbed a ladder. |
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