Why do the people who rate every series a 4 and below with the occasional 5 or 6 even bother wasting their time watching anime when they seem to not necessarily enjoy most of it?
| They think themselves as a elitist...... |
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| I didnt met someone like that but there a chance they rate in a different way from most people and they still enjoy it but it does sound weird to rate most of the anime your watching as 4 or lower. |
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WatchTillTandava said: No, that is not true at all in my case. I don't consider a 6 or even a 5 to be negative. Only at 4 would the negative elements of any given series really begin to outweigh the positive. The average of what I watch is a 7 because I intentionally curate my selection of series to watch based on my known interests and preferences and usually am successful in finding them. Consequently, I don't watch a lot of stuff that I have more negative than positive feelings toward. I don't frequently utilize the lower ratings because I can't honestly in good conscience give such a poor rating to series that I ultimately did think have a lot of artistic merit even if some were less so to my personal taste. Well, good for you. But if you watch enough anime you'll soon run out of anime you initially are interested in and you will start watching other genres/type of anime. Depending on your taste, your ratings will change overtime. This is what I've noticed to other people as well, people with high stats and have been more than 5 years here have generally lower mean score than people who are new and have seen less than ~100days worth. This is because I think they are developing their own "refined" taste and newcomers just see every anime as "good." |
| Not everyone rates anime by enjoyment but by quality... I mean, yes, I love Magical Girl Site but the anime was really trash not gonna lie. |
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DaijoubuKirameki said: SansWobbles said: I think I have less than 20% of my list with a rating of 4 or less, and I consider 5 to be "average", as in I don't completely regret watching it. Your average is 6.45 so anything you score 6 and under is below average for you There's a lot of anime I've dropped that I would have given scores lower than 5, but never bothered to add. |
| I just think that if I rate everything a 10/10 for what it is and not think critically about what I watch, I will never develop a sense of personal taste and appreciation for what I do enjoy. if I only watch in the genres I like, how will I ever know if there are hidden gems to the ones I don't? I'm not a huge fan of slice of life, but I've decided to watch some so that I can gain a sense of appreciation for the genre, even if just a small bit. a 5/10 doesn't mean I didn't enjoy something, it means it's about average. even in a 2/10 show, I found something to enjoy about watching it. |
firstawahono said: because they are tsundere type people. :D This comparison is legit an interesting way of thinking about it. I don't think it's quite right, but I definitely think there's an element of the tsundere mentality in there somewhere. |
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haydenluvsanime said: If we exclude the first line, this is the best answer of threadPeople grow standards and preferences over time. It's called personal growth. You're not going to be impressed with everything you watch. That's silly. Your view is completely twisted because it should be the opposite. Those who stick with the medium for so long despite all their low ratings are the people who are truly dedicated. It shows that they're willing to dig deep to find new and exciting shows to watch. Series that nobody else would otherwise watch. Speaking for myself, the reason anime is still so exciting for me is because there are still thousands of incredible anime I have yet to see and uncover. I want to watch everything in existence for the satisfaction of having such a vast knowledge of this medium and to introduce others to series they would've otherwise never even known about. I've gotten plenty of people onboard and I keep inspiring others. That and the self-satisfaction feels friggin' amazing. I bet a lot of anime fans wish they could be me because I'm having more fun with this medium than most. I'll never get sick of this medium. I love anime. It's rad. |
horridhendy said: The problem here is that the MAL descriptions can't really be taken for gospel. Having 2 whole points between 'good' and 'great' is excessive if you ask me, and jumping from average at a 5/10 to outright bad at a 4/10 is just baffling. Well, that said, apparently we still have the exact same mean score (6.79), so the practical effect seems to be minimal xDEach to their own but personally, I struggle to understand why people don't just use the MAL scoring scale. 9/10 is great, 7/10 is good, 4/10 is bad, 2/10 is horrible - seems pretty simple to me. Somewhat related, in that it's about interpretation of MAL's descriptors: _Maneki-Neko_ said: Yeah, I guess you could interpret 'fine' like that. It sounds similar to my level of indifference, which would be my 5's (of which I dropped 3 out of 18). I wouldn't ever drop something I rate higher than that, since I'd have at least a mild level of appreciation for it. Then again, I consider myself a semi-completionist, so it's understandable that others would be quicker to drop shows.I dunno. Fine means something like "okay, but doesn't entertain me or I'm not excited for" to me. It's like someone asks you how your food tastes and you say "nice" or "fine". It's just okay and I don't feel like I want continue most of that. I also dropped anime and scored them with 7. Some like Monster. I recognize that they are good, but they aren't really for me. |
| My most frequent ratings are in the 4-7 territory, it's somewhat rare for me to like a series enough to rate it 8 or higher, or hate a series enough to rate it 3 or lower. What I find silly is people giving low scores to everything and something like 7 to shows they loved just to present themselves as anime connoisseurs with very high standards, they're not impressing anyone, and more often than not they don't even know what they're talking about when they actually attempt to critique an anime they rated low. |
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| a 4/10 doesn't mean I didn't like it at all. it means it was subpar. worse off than most shows I've seen. 5/10 is average. shows go into this category that most would consider "meh". a show has to be utterly average, PLUS either badly executed, badly drawn or animated, or just lame in other departments to go here. 3/10 is the "that was really fucking bad" 2/10 is the there was only a single reason I finished this and I regret it. 1/10 is either unwatchable or the show just managed to piss me off with something that badly. I hope this clears it up. 4/10 is bad but not the end of the world. I use the full scale, as intended. |
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a-1337 said: WatchTillTandava said: No, that is not true at all in my case. I don't consider a 6 or even a 5 to be negative. Only at 4 would the negative elements of any given series really begin to outweigh the positive. The average of what I watch is a 7 because I intentionally curate my selection of series to watch based on my known interests and preferences and usually am successful in finding them. Consequently, I don't watch a lot of stuff that I have more negative than positive feelings toward. I don't frequently utilize the lower ratings because I can't honestly in good conscience give such a poor rating to series that I ultimately did think have a lot of artistic merit even if some were less so to my personal taste. Well, good for you. But if you watch enough anime you'll soon run out of anime you initially are interested in and you will start watching other genres/type of anime. Depending on your taste, your ratings will change overtime. This is what I've noticed to other people as well, people with high stats and have been more than 5 years here have generally lower mean score than people who are new and have seen less than ~100days worth. This is because I think they are developing their own "refined" taste and newcomers just see every anime as "good." I think the issue is more that he gives high score to anime which contains vague artistic values in them even though he didn't exactly enjoy them. Because he seems to know pretty well his taste and understand what he likes and what he doesn't like. But having a refined taste means nothing if you're just going to give bad anime good score just because you found something pleasing in them. I always considered the lower rating section (2-4) for bad anime with few remaining features such as artistic merits. The key point is to weight the anime based on your overall enjoyment alone, then adjust the score based on other parameter. If he's just going to skip the enjoyment factor and only give score based on less relevant features and anything positive they can find, then no wonder why people have such a high mean score. |
| The lower the mean score the more badass you are, and your opinion is superior than others. |
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Bombshells said: because they're pseudo intellectual elitists. Yes, people with low mean score are indeed pseudo elitists since the true elitists are the people bashing on people for having low mean score. |
| Yeah,that's what bothers me too. I have seen someone rate one piece a 3 and they claimed to have watched 600 episodes. Like WHYYY? |
| I've never seen anyone who rates everything 4 and below with the occasional 5 and 6 who doesn't have at least a couple higher scores. I've certainly seen people with low means, but highly-rated favorites, in which case they're probably chasing something as good as those anime but can't get it. |
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| Well, masochism is thing I guess. Personally, I think it's more natural to have a top heavy list (lot of 6-10s) because, logically speaking, people should naturally finish more things they like and less of what they don't. |
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| "every series a 4 and below with the occasional 5 or 6 even bother wasting their time watching anime" Ignoring different usage of the scoring system for some people quality and enjoyment are not the same. Also there is something called "so bad it's good". For example there are people making money providing bad movies with entertaining comments like MST3K and RiffTrax (they even have Twitch channels). This shows demand of such products which squeeze fun from trash. |
| Does the same question rise if someone finds large number of movies to be average, picks up poorly written novels always, thinks most art exhibitions are boring experiences etc? I personally would see it weird, if I questioned someone's enjoyment of one medium based on number of positive and negative reviews they give. Plus maybe it's just me but I think 5 is often worse than >4 when it comes to overall enjoyment. At least those made me feel something, be it even negative feelings, and may be memorable for being just bad at what ever they were trying to achieve. 5 is just average shit, not bad but not that good and forgettable in the long run. Then again I enjoy a lot "so bad it's good" media, so my views may be skewed on this. I can admit most movies I like are far from being technically good, not aged the best, acting so-so, have some silly writing, but they're still my favs. |
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WatchTillTandava said: Depending on the genre and media type "average" can be as low a 3 for me. But rest assured, I can enjoy a 3/10. I think your confusion comes from the concept that rating is directly proportional to enjoyment, which isn't true for my usage. E.g. a trashy wish fulfillment vehicle such as Nekopara or Senko-San hardly deserves more than a 4. Yet I enjoyed both shows. Similar for a routine 80s OVA with your usual gore, nudity and violence. A 3 is already enjoyable, a 5 means it is a 10% of the best of it's type. I'm probably an overly generous scorer - specifically with my 7s - as it's my go-to default rating to lazily stamp something with the indicator of being "about as good as the average of everything else I've seen. Thus: My ratings are not absolute, and they are not independent of runtime, media type, genre etc. pp. This can easily lead to situations where a show I really enjoyed (for it's type) ends up at 3. I see no contradiction here. as subjective enjoyment and semi-objective quality are not the same. |
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mhkr said: haydenluvsanime said: If we exclude the first line, this is the best answer of threadPeople grow standards and preferences over time. It's called personal growth. You're not going to be impressed with everything you watch. That's silly. Your view is completely twisted because it should be the opposite. Those who stick with the medium for so long despite all their low ratings are the people who are truly dedicated. It shows that they're willing to dig deep to find new and exciting shows to watch. Series that nobody else would otherwise watch. Speaking for myself, the reason anime is still so exciting for me is because there are still thousands of incredible anime I have yet to see and uncover. I want to watch everything in existence for the satisfaction of having such a vast knowledge of this medium and to introduce others to series they would've otherwise never even known about. I've gotten plenty of people onboard and I keep inspiring others. That and the self-satisfaction feels friggin' amazing. I bet a lot of anime fans wish they could be me because I'm having more fun with this medium than most. I'll never get sick of this medium. I love anime. It's rad. This is indeed the best answer of the thread. The first line makes perfect sense to me since it can apply to many other forms of media, not just anime. The second part and "watching everything in existence for the satisfaction of having such a vast knowledge of this medium" are a very minority mentality and perspective, so most people will not understand it. I think every fan should strive to expand their knowledge of this medium. That's why I believe it's unfortunate that most people are so adverse to watching or reading things they think are bad. I've said this many times before, but someone who likes everything essentially likes nothing. |
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| For me personally, everything in my list was 7 and greater. So I chose to reconsider all my scores. I changed it into something like this 10 = 10, 9 = 9.5, 8 = 9, 7 = 8.5, 6 = 8 ... (I'm sure you get the pattern now). Now it looks a lot better spread out. You can tell the ones I really enjoyed to the ones that I somewhat enjoyed but wasn't as great. |
Pyro said: You have standards and preferences from the start. Personal growth is true but that doesn't mean there was/is a "period" you would be impressed with anything you watch. OK, I kinda missed the pointmhkr said: If we exclude the first line, this is the best answer of thread This is indeed the best answer of the thread. The first line makes perfect sense to me since it can apply to many other forms of media, not just anime. 3 of my first anime were One Punch Man, Code Geass and Sword Art Online and I didn't like them. |
| There's no requirement to follow MAL's descriptors for scores between 1-10... |
| Well you have to see what they consider a 10 |
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