| Religion is for weak and easily manipulated people who need a higher power to look to, in times of trouble and pain. It's portrayed perfectly in anime. |
| Pretty sure it's always the ones that hold power in religious cults that are shown as corrupt. The common folk following it aren't shown. Which examples did you come across where the commoners are shown as corrupt? |
| because it should be pretty clear and simple really |
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| Sees OP's profile picture Oh god please no... no.. no... NOOOOOOOOOO Also, maybe because Japanese people are not religious? Most of them do not identify with an organized religion. |
| I think I remember you, you made a post about why Japan would soon become Muslim xd. I thought you were a troll. As for religion, there are good animes like Hellsing, which is educational about religions. Especially morally. |
| Someone really care about it? I don't think so... |
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| its bc anime is da only tru religun!!!1!11 xDDDDDDDD |
objectivecritic said: we probably would still practice cannibalism Hey, human meat might actually taste pretty good. Have you ever eaten it? Don't knock it till ya try it. |
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| Obvious bait thread, and yet "enlightened" MAL users are so blinded by their hate for religion that they still fall for it. Lmao |
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objectivecritic said: Guys, I'm serious here. Don't people wanna enjoy eternal world called heaven and avoid being tortured in hell forever? Compared to this world, a "hell" would be peace. |
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just replace "argument" with "troll" |
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| Religion is a method of easily controlling peopleーgiving people the illusion of freedom, hope, & eternal forgiveness through promise of tranquility in their afterlife can cause some people to do crazy things for the sake of upholding their delusion of happiness. It can provide a nice meta commentary & plot device for some series, depending on the message. |
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| Religion in KonoSuba isn't portrayed negatively. Everyone loves the Goddess of Party Tricks. Minus one evil bastard named Kazuma. I also laughed quite a bit at OP's profile picture, I have a few of those on my list....*screams internally at my subpar taste* |
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| The Japanese aren't very familiar with western religions, and most stories involving them are typically negative. Even here in the west, most stories involving Christianity is typically about assholes that misrepresent the religion and use it for hate and censorship, or the questionable things the churches do. When a religious person does something good, it's rarely gonna be shown on the news, or talked about online. It's all about perspective. Being mostly raised in the west I know that despite the fact that there are many obnoxious zealots in the popular religions, there are also good people that just want faith, and aren't complete assholes. I know this by experience, by seeing these people myself. The Japanese people don't have the opportunity to see the good, instead they only hear about the bad things about religion, and a lot of the bad stories make religions really look like a cult, ruining things for every half decent person in it. |
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OnionKnightRises said: The Japanese aren't very familiar with western religions, and most stories involving them are typically negative. Even here in the west, most stories involving Christianity is typically about assholes that misrepresent the religion and use it for hate and censorship, or the questionable things the churches do. When a religious person does something good, it's rarely gonna be shown on the news, or talked about online. It's all about perspective. Being mostly raised in the west I know that despite the fact that there are many obnoxious zealots in the popular religions, there are also good people that just want faith, and aren't complete assholes. I know this by experience, by seeing these people myself. The Japanese people don't have the opportunity to see the good, instead they only hear about the bad things about religion, and a lot of the bad stories make religions really look like a cult, ruining things for every half decent person in it. I think a lot of stories involving religion are just cautionary tales, like “don’t blindly do something wrong if someone in your faith is doing it.” I rarely see religion in Japanese media get openly mocked or praised, but it is usually used to portray a moralistic theme. It would also be difficult to make a religious character in an anime without making it seem like the series was trying to push a message. I notice that Japanese culture typically doesn’t like to put labels on things like that. Like I’ve seen series that have had a Shinto or Christian message, but not outright labeled itself as such. |
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| Japanese religion and Buddhism are portrayed pretty good tho.. |
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LICK_IT_GOOD said: Japanese religion and Buddhism are portrayed pretty good tho.. Not always. In Gantz, there’s fanatic Buddhist priest that is portrayed as overzealous & then |
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| Religions are an easy target for the lazy writer who just wants to create a shallow villain that will resonate with people without much effort, hence why the inquisition is portrayed inaccurately roughly 90% of the time in fiction. That's not really a problem only with religion, just with tropes in general. It's no different from killing a dog to provoke an emotional response in the audience: in both situations you're using a well established archetype that does not require effort, because the audience will immediately accept what you throw at them. However, at the same time, Japan has a (pretty recent) history with religious and cultists fanatics, so it's also understandable that they have a skeptical view of them. I don't think that's exclusive in anime though, it's something that happens everywhere really. Western fiction isn't that more lenient with religion. I'd say it's even worse. |
| Japan have a low christian population so inaccuracies are to be expected. |
 It’s okay to look back at the past, just don’t stare too long |
| You talk like this is restricted to anime. Aside from Paladins and Crusaders pretty much no one cares about the other aspects of religion. Deus Vult infidels. |
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| I thought religion is about something else, not what you described. Also, it's fiction so they over exagerate in order to create a cool plot. Anno: I added the christian symbolism because it looked cool. |
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| Assuming you're serious it's because a lot of religions are made to be self serving and are often over the long term destructive. Ever hear of the crusades or any other example of people using religious texts to justify cruel actions or prevent the action of others? |
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LunaPrecure said: OnionKnightRises said: The Japanese aren't very familiar with western religions, and most stories involving them are typically negative. Even here in the west, most stories involving Christianity is typically about assholes that misrepresent the religion and use it for hate and censorship, or the questionable things the churches do. When a religious person does something good, it's rarely gonna be shown on the news, or talked about online. It's all about perspective. Being mostly raised in the west I know that despite the fact that there are many obnoxious zealots in the popular religions, there are also good people that just want faith, and aren't complete assholes. I know this by experience, by seeing these people myself. The Japanese people don't have the opportunity to see the good, instead they only hear about the bad things about religion, and a lot of the bad stories make religions really look like a cult, ruining things for every half decent person in it. I think a lot of stories involving religion are just cautionary tales, like “don’t blindly do something wrong if someone in your faith is doing it.” I rarely see religion in Japanese media get openly mocked or praised, but it is usually used to portray a moralistic theme. It would also be difficult to make a religious character in an anime without making it seem like the series was trying to push a message. I notice that Japanese culture typically doesn’t like to put labels on things like that. Like I’ve seen series that have had a Shinto or Christian message, but not outright labeled itself as such. That could be it, but I was specifically talking about real world news. They probably don't have much to go on when it comes to the positive side of religion if even in the west we rarely ever hear about it. It might also be because of how faith works over there. I don't see the Japanese religions punishing the faithless nearly as much as something like Christianity, so they might also see how strict western religions are and come to the wrong conclusions. When a Christian or Catholic hears someone doesn't believe in the Bible or Jesus Christ, they normally think that person is probably going to hell. They don't really have that in Japan, I think only people in those weird cults actually say things like that in Japan. |
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| Because 1. Religion is garbage so it's an accurate and realistic portrayal. 2. Japan is one of the few countries with a majority of atheists or at least people who don't belong to any specific religion. |
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| What is there to discuss if the premise of this thread isn't even true? And I'm not just talking about the dumb bait about the cohesive power of religion, I'm talking about the very assumption that anime usually portrays religion negatively. |
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| U seem to be very good in baiting people LOL. Chose such a sensitive topic that people cant either ignore or refrain themselves from posting. Even though they know that this is a bait thread. Nice Job 👍 |
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| because Japan seems to know that religion is almost always negative |
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| Because humans are imperfect. No matter how pure something is, human will find a way to corrupt it. |
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Bayek said: My friend, I was once a fedora tipping heathen who unironically sang John Lennon's "Imagine." Then I found good, wholesome Christian anime and it changed my life forever. Certainly, I'll never tire of communing in the body and blood of my sister in Christ. Hi. I just wanna ask you for the sauce sir. Is it from the new To Aru season perhaps? OT: The reason religion is portrayed badly in anime is because the good side of it doesn't really make for interesting story telling. And also, What is portrayed in anime as religions are more like Cults if you ask me. Since a lot of reigions already have a dark past, you can use that for a story. Just change some names around and you got it done. The easiest way to do it is using the Inquisition and Crusades as templates. Another Example where religion takes a great part but not in that negative of light is in Saga of Tanya the Evil (Youjo Senki). How funny I mention it since a lot of people here in this thread have a similar mindset as Tanya on religion. Near Death, He even speaked with god and since he used the argument that Religion is just for weak people in desperate times he got put in desperate times (Near WWI) in a situation that would make a lot of people feel weak To see if he starts believing. Its a mix between the Buddist reincarnation cycle and the Catholic beliefs of the existence of just one god Or, as Tanya calls him, "Being X". If we see it through Tanyas eyes then yeah its seen as bad but I have seen worse portrayals. Another one that is more Comedic lets look at Konosuba where there are 2 main "Cults" in the World. The Eris Cult/Order and the Axis Cult/Order.I think they were more of a parody of active religions like Mormons that go out to the streets to Preach. The scene where Kazuma breaks the contract while the girls Shouts "ONI-CHAAAAAAN" STILL CRACKS ME UP. (Funny how both anime I metioned came out in the same season, Winter 2017) Like someone else said, Religion is used in Anime because its a guaranteed reaction from people. Since everyone knows at least a little bit about it its guaranteed to give a reaction. Its slmost always made up religion with made up rules so its not ofensive really. |
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objectivecritic said: Hmm I wonder why all the people in the world who do not subscribe to a religion do not practice cannibalism, do not kill each other because of petty reason [sic], do not wear little to no clothing, do not steal, do not rape, etc.Without current major religions, we probably would still practice cannibalism, killing each other because of petty reason, wearing little to no clothing, stealing, raping, etc. All thanks to religions reducing it by making these acts sinful. Maybe because... Religion is not necessary for being a morally upright person. Congratulations. You're welcome. |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: Maybe because... Religion is not necessary for being a morally upright person. Congratulations. You're welcome. The thing is that it helps people to become a morally upright person and respectful by giving them a reason to do so. That is why people gravitate towards it. OP did exagerate a ton though not gonna lie. |
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| Because FICTION, that's why. A simple answer whether this is a troll or not. |
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Afloo said: Well religion can certainly help a person be moral. It's just not the only way to do it.GlennMagusHarvey said: Maybe because... Religion is not necessary for being a morally upright person. Congratulations. You're welcome. The thing is that it helps people to become a morally upright person and respectful by giving them a reason to do so. That is why people gravitate towards it. OP did exagerate a ton though not gonna lie. |
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objectivecritic said: Religions are sources of stability and structure, of guidance and comfort in times of trouble. It offers established values and a moral code for society to live by, which together act as a force for good that outweighs the times when certain individuals or practices have gone wrong. So why they almost always corrupt in anime? EDIT: I'm a changed person now. I don't mean to troll. i imagine you are talking specifically about Christianity when in the context of anime. Since they portray shintoism and their own brand of religion fine. They dont really believe in christianity. Christianity to the japanese is as valid as Zeus and the Greek Pantheon. Just a tool to be used for story telling. Outside of that religion is junk magic talk used to explain things that lazy people dont understand and it is mostly used to prey on vulnerable individuals. Religion acts as a force of murder and corruption way more often than it acts as a good thing. So many many wars and tragedies are caused by religion that it is just ridiculous. the crusades (which should really be called "christians invading for no reason"), witch burning, holocaust, islam violently spreading its message to name a few Society does not need religion to have morals and rules. Morals and rules existed before religion. Judaism/Christianity/Islam did not invent morality and if you read through their scriptures, they all same some pretty awful stuff. Luckily, in the modern age almost no one follows judaism or christianity in any real way. Sadly islam still holds a lot of sway and its probably the most violent of the three. religion deserves to be portrayed negatively. |
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