| I wouldn't say all Japanese comedy is bad. There are comedy anime I genuinely like. However, what most of Japanese TV seems to consider comedy is absolute garbage. Just how many cringy variety shows can fit into one country? It felt like any given moment I turned the TV on, there was at least one going on. Often multiple. |
| @HopefulNihilist So, in some of your answers out there, aside from "what?" do you have anything else to say? I will admit that I thought some of your wording sounded more aggressive and condescending than you probably wanted it to be, but not going to turn this into a dumb exchange of accusations on how we word stuff. Please forget that. Your generalization is dumb for two reasons: 1. You haven't watched that many comedy anime, because you are not interested in them. 2. You intend me to explain not a show's structure but a medium's structure, which is absurd if I don't buy that anime comedy is a homogeneous thing to start with. If you ask me how I think Azumanga Daioh's comedy works, I can explain a damn lot. I can explain for instance how the shows benefits from Osaka dragging the delivery of her lines to a point that makes them even weirder and more self-absorbed and changing the atmosphere around her, and the tricks it uses for that. But I can't make you a scheme for the entire anime medium. We need to go for the case by case. It's even problematic to talk about the comedy of a series as a whole, better take individual jokes. And I haven't watched Aho Girl so we'll never reach further here :( You are confusing why I told you that your statement is subjective. It's because "comedy lacks weight" is a personal appreciation, not an inherent aspect. Therefore, it doesn't have much worth to your generalization. You can say that people overreact and that the show tries to be cute rather than funny and there may be a traceable point, but to say that comedy lacks weight is entirely on you. And don't misinterpret me here because I'm not one to reject discussion just because I acknowledge that a statement is subjective. We can discuss on why we find a show funny or not and what sort of weight we find in their jokes. By the way, glad that we agree on drama being as subjective as comedy. There's few things I'm more tired of than the "comedy is the most subjective genre" cliché. And maybe I am misinterpreting on the whole conformity issue of Japanese society but I don't understand why would you mention it in this debate then? Do you agree that conformity limits anime comedy in some way, or on the contrary, do you think that anime does not need to correspond to reality? I don't know what is your discourse here. And I'm asking honestly because I'm lost with your point here. And about culture being often anti-establishment: I'm talking about the sorts of personal and collective expression that apply to this discussion, not to the idiosyncrasy and social norms. About anime, film, music, plastic arts, etc. These sorts of cultural manifestations that represent reality through abstractions from a personal filter. Perhaps I should have talked about art creation here since culture is too broad of a category. |
jal90Dec 10, 2018 5:45 PM
| Comedy anime are hilarious, though. Also your OP is dumb. Or to be more blunt that was already expected. |
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HopefulNihilist said: Okay, those are pretty strong examples. But the comedy anime I've seen don't seem to require cultural knowledge, like My Bride is a Mermaid. Maybe it have some but you didn't noticed because you didn't understand and the fact that most anime you watch don't have the "weight" could be fault of your dificult to find anime that fit yours standarts. I could count 13 of 36 comedy animes in my list that joke about real life issues and do humor by references or playing around with cinema related tropes. |
No-a-nimeDec 10, 2018 6:53 PM
| heh. |
| Let's see, we're supposed to be talking about Japanese comedy and its reasons why it's "bad". Making a comparison of it with the Western one is a lack of coherence and bases to give a critique of humor within the anime. We must understand that humor is not the same in each area of the earth, and it is humor based on the culture that is lived. In Japan, his style of comedy is not based on hints or exaggerated violence, as in the West. Instead, it is based more on the acts that people do, and that they are badly seen in Japanese society. That is why we can see those jokes that some may find strange such as a conversation that could be normal, an idiocy of the person or a malicious perversion, but that experienced in this genre may seem funny for a reason linked to the culture that is lived in that country. In the anime, this is applied in an exaggerated way by the use of funds, exaggerated faces and meaningless dialogues. Japan is not the only one doing this, the West has also pioneered these implements with the Merrie Melodies cartoons, only that some people do not feel used to Japanese humor. It is true that there are animes that have an average level of comedy, and below, based on the stereotypes and most common clichés within those works (Shounen, Harem, Ecchi ...). But comedy can also take a quite surprising turn that can be very good, despite taking as a basis the common cliché of Japanese society. Also, from time to time, comedy intermingles with the drama that, in my opinion, is performed better than the West. Anyway, it's just a matter of taste. Being Latino, I feel more attached to Asian comedy, not just Japanese. |
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HopefulNihilist said: jal90 said: This is dumb as fuck. It doesn't make sense. No, just because you don't laugh doesn't mean that the joke is not supposed to be funny. I literally never said that. I said that the reason why anime humor is just not funny to a lot of people, myself included, is because anime humor generally tends to focus on being more cute. jal90 said: I can get your feeling here but weight is subjective. It's something brought by, among other things, cultural relatability. Is that the defense for every criticism towards comedy? "It's subjective, therefore you can't criticize"? Weight isn't so much as subjective as it is common sense. You can't objectively say if a boulder has enough weight to classify as being "heavy", but common sense indicates, yes, the boulder is heavy. Likewise, common sense will say that a joke where the girl can't cook lacks weight, while a joke that makes fun of Japanese social norms has weight. jal90 said: Except there is an entire character trope that consists on being comedically stoic and emotionless. Fair enough, but that's only one exception. And it's a completely lazy trope: making a character's reaction be stoic does not require skill. Literally, all you have to do is draw a character with a blank expression, have them say a line or none, and BOOM! You do the trope, and the audience is laughing their ass off. Where is the skill in utilizing this trope? Hell, someone who is reasonable enough, please tell me, where is the skill that goes into comedy anime? I can probably write a whole paragraph explaining how clever Tom and Jerry's comedy is, but I can't do the same for comedy anime. But that's beside the point. jal90 said: Seriously watch more anime. Instead of actually providing an argument that refutes my argument, you tell me to, "watch more anime", which is also preposterous, when I've watched 401 anime. jal90 said: Or give another chance to Yuru Camp and take this as a very unsubtle recommendation. Instead of actually trying to convince me WHY I should give Yuru Camp another chance, you just tell me to, "give it another chance". https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/12/25/commentary/japan-commentary/scourge-conformism-besetting-japanese-society/#.XA76FOhKg2w jal90 said: Leave your Western bias aside. You don't know Japanese culture. You are only inferring from watching anime, and like any expression of art and culture, it has an element of idealization and escapism, and it is an answer to reality. I've taken Japanese for 3 years, hosted a Japanese exchange student, have had Japanese teachers. jal90 said: Anime is less of a social norm than you want to make it look. I literally never said that anime is a social norm. jal90 said: There's a difference in reach between mainstream and late-night anime, and you watch mostly the latter, so you should start doubting the idea that these shows are made to conform to standards. And I mean, just because you can't identify the elements of counter-culture because you think the Japanese society works like that, doesn't mean they don't exist. I've watched My Hero Academia, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece...how are these not "mainstream" anime? Why don't you go ahead and actually explain the difference between mainstream and late-night anime. DaCraziGuy said: Yes, it deserves criticism but saying is so bad because you think and trashing on an entire culture because you don't like it is dumb. Maybe I misworded it, or you're misunderstanding, but I never was talking about Japanese humor as a whole, so much as I was talking about Japanese anime humour. DaCraziGuy said: Some things, like I said before, are things used in most animations but I'm going to go deeper. -suddently super deformed characters This is the most common one and is one of the things that happens in every kind of animation in every country, if you don't want this watch a live action. You won't escape from this one. -simple background, usually a 'quirky' wallpaper pattern like strawberries or some shit. I don't see too often this kind of thing, this is more present in older shows I think. -loud, obnoxious cartoon sound effects Guess what, it's a japanesse cartoon. Anyway, not all show use this. -obnoxious goofy/'comical'-sounding music This one... this is even used in live action... this one is really dumb. -characters gurn, squeal and overreact in a manner that no one though to be humanly possible until now Yes, this one is pretty common and I won't deny it. -the actual 'joke' being the overreaction itself Oh sorry, this one is the worse. I even overreact daily for no reason over minor things, this isn't even just about comedy, this is already daily life imo. Every movie/serie/animation use that at least once, I really don't get this one. The last reason really makes me want to say a dumb quote... I bet you are really fun at parties. I never said any of those things you're highlighting. That was the OP. Please correct your use of quotations. OK, but I have to say I find that funny coming from you when you messed the quotes of the comment I just replied to. Anyway, I think I anwsered you last questions, right? Or I missed something? |
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| @HopefulNihilist,I was thinking that you were the OP when I wrote the last one, sorry for that, it dosn't have anything to do with you. |
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| Western Comedy has its Big Bang Theories as well as The Office or Arrested Development. It really is a spectrum. I do see your point however, guy falls on anime girls big boobies or something is a lazy excuse at comedy, and I see it in almost every anime I have seen. However, this can also be applied t the dumb fart jokes or burp jokes that low tier western comedy does as well. I don't know if your lookin for recommendations but Gintama is good. |
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| There is something called cultural barriers in humor. Like I would not be surprised if lets say a Japanese doesn't find *insert 'good western comedy' in here* funny. Humor is oh so subjective. |
| The absolute biggest issue is comedic timing. A lot of the jokes are way too telegraphed, and they linger for far too long. A punchline might be coming, but you can see it an extra few seconds too early due to how slow they are at animating it, and then they stay on that joke for an extra few seconds afterwards as if to tell you "this was the joke, make sure you laugh, okay?". Plus, the absolute obvious repetition of jokes. Some anime in recent years have done better, and actually have their own flavor and style, while correcting the repetition we see too much of. Most comedy anime either use the same repetitive jokes, or are reliant on reference humor. Even those that do referential humor kind of do it poorly, with most still having poor timing, or reliant on references most of us wouldn't get. The repetitive comedy anime are so much worse though because they think a joke being retold by a different character is suddenly a different joke. That's not to say ALL comedy anime are bad, there are exceptions, but it's just so disheartening seeing most of them be incredibly lukewarm. ESPECIALLY when a few of them actually have funny jokes, but are unfunny because of the awful delivery (Daily Lives of Highschool Boys is a good example of that). I read the Hinamatsuri manga and decided to watch the anime, and thought "Wow, this is well delivered, and the punchlines have impact. Some jokes are still reminiscent of older anime, but this is still a huge step up, maybe comedy anime is going to improve!", only to then watch Grand Blue and think to myself "Who the fuck let this happen?" I can still have a good time with even some lukewarm comedy anime as there's still stuff to like, but aside from those exceptions, I'll laugh more from just watching something western, even just Youtube videos. |
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| every culture has its low brow humor shows that pander to the people who can't understand subtlety or wit, doesn't mean shows with good clever humor don't exist or that japan somehow has a monopoly on bad humor just because you only remember the shitty examples |
Aure0linDec 11, 2018 1:25 AM
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Kruszer said: bitchassdarius said: A sitcom laugh track feels more like a gentle suggestion when compared with the way in which the Japanese usually handle their 'comedy' in a lot of their media: -suddently super deformed characters -simple background, usually a 'quirky' wallpaper pattern like strawberries or some shit -loud, obnoxious cartoon sound effects -obnoxious goofy/'comical'-sounding music -characters gurn, squeal and overreact in a manner that no one though to be humanly possible until now -the actual 'joke' being the overreaction itself, the sheer fact that the scene is presented in such a goofy and over-the-top manner (BRIGHT COLOURS LOUD NOISES GOOFY WACKY WAFFLE JINGLE KEYS LAUGH LIKE THE PAVLOVIAN BABY THAT YOU ARE), or simply pointing out a faux pas/malaproprism/incongruity for the purposes of social correction, because even the simplest joke or goof should never be left to be judged on its own merits. And it's presented and told in the exact same way, every single goddamned time. It's like how an android would tell a joke. Since they are only capable of understanding the concept of humor on such a surface, intellectual level, they instead try to overcompensate for their lack of skill and experience by simply employing as many of the superficial 'trappings' of comedy as they can in order to increase their chances of generating a single laugh. "Funny noises? Check. Funny faces? Check. Funny sounds? Check. Exaggeration? Check. Explaining the joke? Check. By my calculations, you should be rolling around on the floor by now." It's so insultingly contrived and artificial. You may as well simply pause the entire work, look directly at the audience and say "Here is joke. Now is the designated time in which you are permitted to laugh. Please do so in an orderly and appropriate manner. After the allotted time has ceased, you may quietly return to your previous state of unamusement. Thank you." Translation: "It's bad because I don't like it." Well, humor is subjective, especially humor that's not even aimed at you because it comes from a different culture. THANK YOU for making a tl;dr version for this post xD.To lazy to read it. OT,becuz it's subjective |
When you put forth arguments such as "no substance", "lack weight" -> these are objective metrics you are trying to use in order to support your argument, atleast from the way you worded it. This is why people interpret it as an attempt to give an objective evaluation on comedy anime. And I am someone who never liked Tom and Jerry, since childhood and till today. If anything, it made me annoyed whenever I saw Jerry's smug face on the screen since it was always Tom who was predominantly on the receiving end. Add in Spike and Tyke to the mix and it was bloody infuriating to see the shit-show. New innovative methods with which Tom and Jerry attempt to wreck havoc on each other? The end result was the same, two idiots being assholes to each other. The same goes for that Coyote and Roadrunner thing. I never found it funny, but my cousin sister with whom I used to watch, did. Took me a long time to figure out that tastes ARE different when I was a child. There is no objective metric to rely on other than just stating "Oh it is universally well received and funny, so it must be funny for everyone". The jokes I see in South Park for example are borderline heavy on crass toilet-humor, straight up mom-jokes and overdone political satire and references to pop-culture. Granted there are a few episodes which I "found" enjoyable, as someone who is not from the USA I find half the political jokes to be a hit-or-miss, as I am disinterested in keeping up with the times over there. I can understand why people over there can find it funny. I simply don't. Do you find american humour funny? All the power to you man ! HopefulNihilist said: Subjectivity applies to all forms of art. Critical consensus means jack-shit. You need to look at the situation from two perspectives. The creator and the consumer. To begin enjoying any artform you need to rely on the consumer's perspective. If you are trying to conflate an artist's effort with the work produced+how well it is received then that metric won't give you a clear picture. That is the very nature of subjectivity. For example : I find rap music to be the silliest forms of music out there. As a part-time musician myself, I find the effort that goes behind thinking of the "dope/sick-lines-yo" lyrics to be an absolute joke compared to the effort that goes behind creating masterful musical elements presented in classical/jazz/rock/metal music for example. There is ZERO intellectual stimulation in me as a listener with my own 'individual tastes' to rap music since the musical structure is so bland. There is more I could say but if the lyrics hold appeal or strongly resonate with someone, then all the power to that someone as he/she related to it based on her life experiences. (ps : I am not trying to belittle your tastes here) However, if you undertake any sort of cohesive argumentation as to what makes rap music popular, objective metrics such as "how much effort he/she put" is never going to work out. Objectively, I can throw claims such as there is no musical genius or 'substance' in rap music, but that is a poor argument against the presence and popularity of rap music. Emphasis is on the consumer, not the creator. The moment there is an attempt to quantify art, it always boils down to a shit-slinging 'your tastes are shit' contest. Objectivity related parameters is best left to scientific literature and innovations, since the differences can be quantified and there is an equal emphasis on the consumer as well as creator. This is why consensus such as SAO is shit (or any art-form for that matter) never works, because there are people who will still like SAO despite you not seeing them eye-to-eye. The only possible direction which this generally leads to is -> 'Well, your tastes are shit anyway so you keep on enjoying SAO'. |
KreatorXDec 11, 2018 3:13 AM
| I'm pretty sure you're just watching the wrong comedy shows. |
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bitchassdarius said: Blarey said: Shit taste confirmed If you haven’t seen Gintama, you don’t have the right to say Japanese comedy is bad or not funny It’s always baffled me how Gintamafags think a series with pretty much 80% filler and 20% story is a “masterpiece” and the “best anime ever!!1!” Gintama is overrated trash. It has a slow start, corny parodies, lame repetitive gags, no concise plot and has "serious arcs" when it's supposed to be a comedy first and foremost. What a complete mess of a series. The comedic episodes that take up 80% of the series is just their to flesh out the characters, the world and repeat the same jokes over again. Don’t let these gintama tards fool you saying “you have to watch every episode to understand the story”. It’s unnecessary padding that has no affect on the actual plot, hence why it’s filler. You can skip them, look up the serious arc episodes and watch those and you’d still be caught up with the story. The serious arcs are short, overdramatic, have fake deaths, bland sword fights and are filled with the same overused shounen troupes like nakama power bullshit or villains giving long, cliche monologues. None of the arcs are even better than your average shounen arc, especially the overrated Shogun Assassination arc. The whole structure is a mess. Some episodes are dedicated to the odd jobs, then the shinsengumi, one moment is serious then half way through it’s comedy. 3 episodes would be comedy, then the next 4 would be “mini serious arcs”, the plot’s all over the place! The characters are over the top, unrealistic and have barely any development. The worst part is the comedy is terrible. It’s as if it was written for 12 yr old weebs. The constant abusive punches/kicks, repetitive gags, overused references to other shows, cheesy dialogue, childish parodies and poop jokes are shit. Also, there’s so many references to Japanese culture that even the average viewer wouldn’t get the humour. You're baffled by a lot things people like, huh? Probably because you lack the imagination to imagine why anyone could like something that you personally don't. That's what they call being self-absorbed. It's your problem, so don't try to make it everyone else's with your petty insults of anyone who likes what you don't like. |
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| Japanese comedy isn't bad, you just watch shit comedy anime, or your type of humor just doesn't fit with anime. |
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| one of the main reasons i got into anime was the good comedy nowadays the stuff that comes out doesn't feel as good as before but to say that japanese comedy is generally bad is just stupid |
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| I think it's appropriate to chalk this one up to cultural differences. People use it as an excuse for every kind of criticism, but for this instance you can clearly tell the difference between "our" brand of humor and "theirs". However, I don't agree that it is all bad. It really depends on the anime you are watching. |
HopefulNihilist said: @KreatorX Why does everyone have a problem with me whenever I express my opinion? No, I can't objectively say comedy anime sucks, but I can explain why I think its shit from my experience. Why do you people care so much about my opinion? I don't know about everyone having a problem with you. You raised the concern that your argument/opinion is being misinterpreted. I replied in kind as to why. |
HopefulNihilist said: @KreatorX Why does everyone have a problem with me whenever I express my opinion? No, I can't objectively say comedy anime sucks, but I can explain why I think its shit from my experience. Why do you people care so much about my opinion? I mean the overarching issue is the experience factor. The argument against comedy you primarily used seems to revolve around say harem comedies which are certainly a minority and even ignores examples of comedy shows you have watched. Even if people were to produce dozens of examples to the contrary (as has been kind of done) if you aren't going to make an effort to follow up using those shows as a reference then there isn't any reason to continue. Especially because there's no metric to say how big should a spectrum of comedy shows be before it can defeat vague generalizations. Like I would use Nichijou as an example of solid comedy series that plays with a lot of tropes while still building an identity around over the top situations and a very distinct style. But it won't carry any weight to someone who has never watched it. |
| Every people have different sense of humour, I feel gintama is funnier than comedian in japan.. |
| “You should enjoy the little detours to the fullest. Because that's where you'll find the things more important than what you want.” |
| don't understand it =/= bad As a huge fan of Western comedy, both in stand-up and podcast form (along with everything else like YT videos), I still adore Japanese comedy and in a lot of cases find it even funnier than most Western comedy. Anime is a medium primarily focused on characters and quirks. Combine that with their "randomness", obsession with loud, absurd things, and dry delivery and you get a style of comedy that can't really be appreciated by most Westerners. And that's fine, but calling it bad is kinda...not cool. |
| meanwhile I find most western "comedy" absolute garbage.. so yeah. Taste is taste. |
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| Humor is very subjective. One person’s sense of humor could be wildly different than someone else’s. While yes, those things you listed aren’t always funny to me either, it can be to some. There are plenty of anime I have found very very funny, and there are also American shows I have also found to be pretty funny. But not all, and it’s just if the comedy is executed well or not. I mean let’s take well known comedic American cartoons for example. I love Ren and Stimpy, and I love the earlier seasons of Spongebob because I find both very funny. However, both have very different styles of humor while ren and stimpy uses dark and gross visual humor, spongebob uses more verbal jokes and absurdity. It just has to be executed well, as both shows went to shit because the jokes were being executed less well, despite it being almost the same kind of humor throughout. But it also may be due to culture, language, and the type of people that live in Japan. A lot of American humor uses sarcasm, which doesn’t exactly exist in the Japanese language as it does in English. Word play is also difficult, I mean let’s take Shin-Chan’s case as it was almost untranslatable because of how many word jokes that can’t be translated into English because they’d only make sense if you knew the Japanese langauge, and thus why the dub is wildly different than the sub. Another thing I may bring in is demographic, if a show is targeted at an older audience, the comedy will be pretty different than one aimed at a younger one. Older people find a lot of things funny that younger people might not. |
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| you are experiencing a culture difference and subjectivity. I too find japanese comedy unfunny, but then im not the audience for it. |
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| I dont know..... I think its funny. And please stop making people angry with specific things like this. Its have same term with "why shounen is bad?" Then compared it with western things related with that?. People have their own taste and preference, at least you should wrote the positive side in it. |
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| Humor is subjective, humor in a diff culture too. Honestly I don't like Japanese comedy in anime but it does not have or mean to be bad, it means that I don't/can't get it or that I'm not for this kind of humor. |
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| @bitchassdarius a lot of western cartoons falls under the description you gave, especially stuff like Looney Tunes and old Cartoon Network stuff. So maybe it's not japanese comedy that's bad for you, but cartoon comedy itself. Also, a lot — a LOT — of japanese comedy is aimed exclusively at the japanese audience, like with wordplays. So it's natural that westerns don't get it. Just see how many people dislike the first half of Steins;Gate, which is thoroughly packed with japanese humour, especially for the otaku fandom (though people a bit familiar with imageboards could get a lot of the jokes). HopefulNihilist said: 3) The formula is, as you've said, is always the same: a situation is presented in which a character does something somewhat stupid. The character then overreacts. Then other characters overreact and point out how stupid they're being. Every. Fucking. Time. That kind of humour (manzai) is popular in Japan, that's why it's featured in so many anime. It's kinda like British humour, and also how America adapts that humour to their audience (see The Office). It's not made for everyone to get, but a specific audience. There's a reason why british humour is considered a niche outside of England. I hate the "it's subjective" thing, but here it applies, just like a joke or satire on social issues wouldn't be effective for someone not aware of said issues, or how kids don't get dirty jokes in cartoons. You have to be inserted in a certain context for it to be effective. HopefulNihilist said: 4) Jokes in anime don't have substance: I can't name a single joke in anime that makes fun of a social issue, or say anything meaningful. One of the reasons the Boondocks is so goddamn funny is because of how much of a social satire that show is on black culture. But because Japanese culture is all about conformity, you won't find any anime that is even an actual proper satire of Japan. Paranoia Agent (and other Satoshi Kon movies), Welcome to the NHK in a way, Tatami Galaxy, Monogatari, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, Inio Asano manga (not anime I know but). Not to mention the amount of historical jokes a lot of anime have (which most westerns won't get). But yeah, japanese entertainment culture focus too much on conformity, so you won't find much satire within it. But I don't think that's strictly necessary for good humour. I mean, just look how many westerns laugh at youtubers doing dumb shit on VRChat. |
| Big Order is the peak of japanese comedy. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| As many have said, comedy is subjective. I personally love comedy in the form of super exaggerated facial expressions and ridiculous overreactions. Nothing is for everyone. |
| Because a major aspect of comedy is cultural. It's entirely possible for Westerners to enjoy Japanese comedy and vise-versa, but social programming influences what we do and don't find amusing. I used to think comedy anime sucked until I binged a bunch of it out of pure boredom and inadvertently trained myself to 'get it'. Then Western sitcoms seemed like shit. It's all perspective. Except really, popular Western stand-up and network sitcoms FUCKING SUCK. |
| TEN COMMANDMENTS: 1) If Evangelion and Psycho-Pass are his only 10s, he probably also worships Tool and smells like cheesy puffs 2) Freudian psychosis =/= good writing 3) Moe blob art style is only ok in pure slice-of-life comedy 4) It's ok to enjoy shounen. Having fun is allowed 5) It is not ok to enjoy isekai (jk, it is, I just fucking hate it) 6) Creator breakdown =/= good writing 7) A story does not have to be wrapped up with a bow. Life is messy, why would a good story need to be tidy? 8) InuYasha is proto-Twilight 9) Ecchi CAN be good, but is almost always an abomination 10) If God is real, They allowed Super Kid to happen, so fuck Them |
| Yeah, I could stand the deformed faces, the sudden changes in background, loud acting and sound effects, after all I grew up watching cartoons. But the one thing I can't stand is the Tsukkomi style of comedy. It's the single worst thing about anime comedy that ruins everything else. It's the comedy equivalent of violating the "show, don't tell" rule. Half the fun in comedy is in realizing the irony and absurdity in the interaction/situation on your own. Having it clearly spelled out to you ruins the entire joke, and yeah, it does feel insulting. The whole Boke-Tsukkomi routine may have made sense back in the day when it was performed on stage.Having exaggerated facial expressions, loud acting, and even spelling out the joke would have even been necessary, so that the people further down the rows could hear your performance. Just like how regular stage plays used to be very loud and heavy in expository dialogue and soliloquies. But copy-pasting that same style in visual mediums like manga and anime, where you can clearly see the faces of the characters and can convey the joke through expressions and body language, just comes off as lazy and hacky. |
| Japanese comedy is not bad, it's only your personal opinion. You're judging the whole thing just because you didn't like a show or two. And you can't even claim whether you like Japanese humor or not, unless you have knowledge about the language, as it often relies on word play. |
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