| (When something happens in anime that negates everything that preceded it.) I think most people would agree that they like ass pulls that turn a bad situation into a good one; power of friendship, etc. |
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Isn't this the definition of an inconsistency instead? |
| Nothing makes it acceptable. That's called dumbass writing. |
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| If they are made at the beginning of an arc/series and it's actually explained well in a way that actually makes sense after that instead of being made at the end just to save the protagonists then it could be acceptable. Basically at which point of the story happens and how much sense it made in the end |
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IpreferEcchi said: (When something happens in anime that negates everything that preceded it.) I think most people would agree that they like ass pulls that turn a bad situation into a good one; power of friendship, etc. I thought the right term for it was Shounen manga |
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| It depends upon the inconsistency itself. And no, I don't like it when a bad situation is turned into a good one without a logical explanation. The same goes for the "power of friendship". |
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Heimur said: But that's...not...an asspull tho...If they are made at the beginning of an arc/series and it's actually explained well in a way that actually makes sense after that instead of being made at the end just to save the protagonists then it could be acceptable. Basically at which point of the story happens and how much sense it made in the end |
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| It’s always unacceptable. Also nobody like power of friendship asspulls |
Arkab said: Isn't this the definition of an inconsistency instead? An inconsistency is an error, such as someone holding something in one hand in one shot, and then the opposite hand in another shot. An ass pull is a sudden turn of events that contradicts other events. ProfessionalNEET said: If your referring to plotholes and such, they're usually annoying but can sometimes be amusing. Plotholes are part of what gives JoJo's Bizarre Adventure "character" and it's fun to see memes about them. No, an ass pull is a Deus Ex Machina, etc. Something that seems to defy established convention in the anime. |
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CodeBlazeFate said: Heimur said: But that's...not...an asspull tho...If they are made at the beginning of an arc/series and it's actually explained well in a way that actually makes sense after that instead of being made at the end just to save the protagonists then it could be acceptable. Basically at which point of the story happens and how much sense it made in the end Isn't an asspiulll just something that happened out of nowhere wihout any explanation? If later on the series it's given a logical explanation but it came out of nowhere the first time it stop of being an asspull? |
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Heimur said: Honestly, it's still bad writing to frame it that way in the first place (often times still being a deus ex machina regardless). CodeBlazeFate said: But that's...not...an asspull tho... Isn't an asspiulll just something that happened out of nowhere wihout any explanation? If later on the series it's given a logical explanation but it came out of nowhere the first time it stop of being an asspull? |
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IpreferEcchi said: I think most people would agree that they like ass pulls that turn a bad situation into a good one; power of friendship, etc. What the fuck no. Why would I want that stupid nonsense to ruin all the suspense in a fight. |
| Asspulls are unacceptable by default, they're a product of shit writing. The closest it ever gets to this would be if the rest of the series is good enough for me to deal with that asspull. |
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| A lot of the times it is the imagination of the viewer. Stuff that isn't as asspull to me, gets called that by others because explanations weren't spelled out for them right before or after it happened and they would have to think and interpret stuff for themselves, so they panic and call it an asspull, a plothole and whatnot to avoid having to use their brain. But yeah, at its core it's pretty much bad writing. It's just that bad viewing can turn anything into an asspull or plothole so in my experience about half the time people call something an asspull or a plothole, they just didn't get it or don't want to get it. |
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| Maybe, just maybe an ass pull can be termed as acceptable if it gives the audience the intended ending they desired. For example, I've seen people enjoy Mirai Nikki's post-anime ending. Heck I enjoyed it too since it ended on a positive not but I'll be damned if I did not laugh my ass off at that ridiculous twist. This particular mangaka never disappoints when it comes to ass-pulls. (I am looking at you, Big Order) |
| There are probably exceptions out there but it's never acceptable. It ruins things I like and appear so fake but the anime thinks it's legit ok (Jojo part 2 and 3, I'm looking at you). Power of friendship can work to a degree though, like in FMAB when things work out not because of skills, prowess or cleverness, but because they made friends/allies and it pays off much more than being alone. |
KreatorX said: Maybe, just maybe an ass pull can be termed as acceptable if it gives the audience the intended ending they desired. That's what I said in the OP. "they like ass pulls that turn a bad situation into a good one" Tusk and Momoka's "deaths" in Cross Ange are examples. |
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Yes. So does episode 12 of Madoka Magica. (I gave Madoka Magica a 9, by the way.) |
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| As far as I've seen the only times viewers accept asspulls is either when they don't notice them or when they never cared about the plot for its own sake in the first place. Never have I encountered something I'd both consider an asspull and acceptable. On that note @IpreferEcchi I'm genuinely curious what you would consider an acceptable asspull. |
| An acceptable asspull would be overwriting a scenario I'm not 100% fond of. Like killing a favorite character. Even if build up and execution were great, I still wouldn't mind getting him back with some asspull. Never experienced something like that, but that's an example where I would be cool with it. |
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| @TK8878 I gave examples from two different anime. Tusk and Momoka's not-actually-deaths in Cross Ange and episode 12 of Madoka Magica. |
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Withoutaname said: I feel like episode 7 and episode 10 were bigger asspulls in Madoka Magica than episode 12. Nope. Time travel is a conventional wish. |
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| Actually, I dont mind asspulls at this point. Since most fictional stuff do pseudo-logic, pseudo-reasonings and doesn't obey the law of physics at all; I try to be more forgiving than the usual and try my very best to understand it, optimistically. |
Withoutaname said: Yeah, but the time traveling itself negated everything that preceded it. Actually if we go by your definition, then almost every plot twist ever is an asspull. I don't care how smartass or literal you're going to interpret my words. And I liked every asspull I spoke of. That's why I put "acceptable or unacceptable" in my title. Now an UNACCEPTABLE asspull would be Honest mortally wounding Leone in Akame ga Kill. |
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IpreferEcchi said: @TK8878 I gave examples from two different anime. Tusk and Momoka's not-actually-deaths in Cross Ange and episode 12 of Madoka Magica. Sorry, I guess I didn't phrase my question very well. I meant to ask what would make an asspull acceptable or not in your eyes (i.e. why those examples are acceptable). To be honest I'd argue against Madoka Magica episode 12 being an asspull as far as I can recall. There were quite a few hints in the preceding episodes that something of that event's magnitude could happen with explanation as to how it worked. |
TK8878 said: IpreferEcchi said: @TK8878 I gave examples from two different anime. Tusk and Momoka's not-actually-deaths in Cross Ange and episode 12 of Madoka Magica. Sorry, I guess I didn't phrase my question very well. I meant to ask what would make an asspull acceptable or not in your eyes (i.e. why those examples are acceptable). To be honest I'd argue against Madoka Magica episode 12 being an asspull as far as I can recall. There were quite a few hints in the preceding episodes that something of that event's magnitude could happen with explanation as to how it worked. The concept of Madoka's "karmic burden" felt like an asspull to me. I saw the effect of bringing Kyouko and Mami back as something that couldn't happen without explicitly wishing for it. But I welcomed this because Kyouko is my favorite. Besides that, I also said I like an asspull that works in my favor in my opening post. Protecting a cherished character, etc. |
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IpreferEcchi said: TK8878 said: Sorry, I guess I didn't phrase my question very well. I meant to ask what would make an asspull acceptable or not in your eyes (i.e. why those examples are acceptable). To be honest I'd argue against Madoka Magica episode 12 being an asspull as far as I can recall. There were quite a few hints in the preceding episodes that something of that event's magnitude could happen with explanation as to how it worked. The concept of Madoka's "karmic burden" felt like an asspull to me. I saw the effect of bringing Kyouko and Mami back as something that couldn't happen without explicitly wishing for it. But I welcomed this because Kyouko is my favorite. Besides that, I also said I like an asspull that works in my favor in my opening post. Protecting a cherished character, etc. |
| honestly im a simple dude so i think almost any asspull is acceptable as long as i LIKE it, lol sure it might not be preferred but i dont generally have a problem as long as it's explained at least somewhat and gives me the outcome i want which is why i usually LOVE power of friendship shit within reason |
| Nothing, because it's just bad writing. |
| Jojo is full of those, yet people love the franchise regardless. Imo they're ok when it's not in a serious context, where it just ends up feeling like "oh, he lives/wins thanks to plot armor". |
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| Since I saw it mentioned, I don’t consider the power of friendship or similar conventions as the basis for this in and of themselves. If the series deals with the power of friendship a lot beforehand, for example, then having a conclusion centered on it is perfectly acceptable as far as I’m concerned. My criticisms would instead be directed toward how the theming is handled if I didn’t like that. But then, a lot of anime fans don’t have friends so it’s no wonder they hate the power of friendship. To answer the topic, in cases where it genuinely comes out of nowhere, it’s always a detriment, even if I like the development itself. I would say “never” as such. Edit: On second thought, I can imagine it being okay in certain comedic contexts. Zany characters somehow always getting into and out of nonsensical situations is a staple. |
IpreferEcchi said: I personally say that "ass pulls" are only unacceptable to me if they feel wrong.(When something happens in anime that negates everything that preceded it.) I think most people would agree that they like ass pulls that turn a bad situation into a good one; power of friendship, etc. That sounds stupidly vague, probably because it is, but then again, it is specifically about the way something "feels", so it's often more about the tone and direction of the story, rather than about any particular pieces of setting information being inconsistent or whatever. OTOH I don't have a problem with "power of friendship" type moments as long as they feel right in the story. |
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