Series for people who "don't like anime"

EcchiGodMamsterP said:
@PrettiBoiSlim

The "don't like anime" line is in quotation marks because it's not mean to be taken literally. It more so refers to people who say they don't like or don't care for it, but haven't actually given it a try. If they're unwilling to even consider anime, that's fine, but I'm fairly open about my adoration for it, and often times people will inquire further. At times like this, it's nice to have plenty of ideas for different shows across different genres, so I can suggest one if they decide someone else less familiar would like to give it a try.

i don't understand why that bothers people


who cares about them?

I think the more mainstream it becomes, the easier it is to access. We're seeing that now here stateside with Netflix, Amazon, VRV/Crunchy Roll, and even some late night slots on one or two Television networks. Greater access is a good thing in my opinion; more shows can be more easily discovered and enjoyed because more distributors are going to pick them up.

anime is already growing and growing in popularity, the demand for it is at an all time high, hence why neflix, amazon etc are jumping on the train and its all about its unique qualities, people LOVE the fact that japan does not give a fuck... changing that perception of anime may actually kill that appeal

attracting all kinds of people = attracting more sjws, pc fags and whiners

fuck that

PrettiBoiSlim said:

You're right. Japan isn't going to stop pumping out hypersexualized/incest/monster-girl series or whatever because of the growing international popularity. I think your fear of having anime killed or destroyed by SJW's or whoever is a little irrational. Hell, many of the series I'm watching right now are actually getting MORE fanservicey as they progress. For instance, Steins;Gate 0.

15poundfish said:
This is not necessarily true, if the international audience becomes popular enough that it changes the priorities of anime studios you could see western censorship in the production of anime. It doesn't take a big group of SJWS to ruin a hobby, it only takes a few in influential positions. Japanese games are often censored when released to the West, its not crazy to believe the same could happen to anime.

PrettiBoiSlim said:



Bruh, it's about sharing information to help people experience the plethora of entertainment anime can provide. Why wouldn't I share suggestions with people who are curious? Especially if they already have access to it and don't realize.

Yes, it is. That's a good thing. It shows that anime can continue to grow in popularity. My hope is that more people get interested, more networks pick a more diverse array of content.

Everyone who has ever loved anime has been introduced to some series in some way, whether it was sailor moon, yugioh, pokemon, etc. like with us. They find those series either by happenstance (it's on TV when they're flipping through channels) or by searching for them online or through another type of conversation.

You're right. Japan isn't going to stop pumping out hypersexualized/incest/monster-girl series or whatever because of the growing international popularity. I think your fear of having anime killed or destroyed by SJW's or whoever is a little irrational. Hell, many of the series I'm watching right now are actually getting MORE fanservicey as they progress. For instance, Steins;Gate 0.

PrettiBoiSlim said:

More moderate changes aren't inherently a bad thing, either. So what if we get stronger female leads with more clothing in some series? So what if some studios decide to change a little bit for broader appeal or add more representation of some kind or another?

Manaban said:

We're kind of fresh off of the heels of the Danmachi censorship where they censored patting minigames and such because it wasn't deemed appropriate for a western audience and nothing else - and thing is, that wasn't even the first time something like this happened, the exact same thing has happened with Mugen Souls releases and such with the same types of minigames, just that the Danmachi incident was one of the only times it garnered any notable attention, even if it burned out somewhat quickly. Sentai is another example with their noted treatment of ecchi series and the like. They continue to license them but often show little but contempt for the people who consume their licenses, often refusing to dub certain things and making exceptions for Monster Musume "because it is has a good message" or something like that in regards to the monster girls and society and such. Licensors and distributors do hold sway and it's not necessarily just random, paranoid babbling at this point whenever people express concerns over this kind of censorship. It hasn't been for years, frankly, if people would keep up with certain videogames and such, but it's starting to grow more founded. Eventually I think what'll happen is that somebody will begin controlling the content of distribute in a way more rooted in censorship, and such and it'll be met with (rightful) backlash and would need to see how it went from there.

I can't necessarily speak for others, but my issue isn't if they add more "strong female characters who wear clothes" or whatever social justice equality type stuff - if it wasn't a hamfisted political message then I wouldn't even interpret it as one, and if it was then I would very likely just drop it then and there and go about my business because I hate social/political messages being too blatant in media, it just makes it annoying and preachy - but that isn't necessarily what has been indicated as exclusively being the case so far. There's a difference between creating a type of work and allotting freedom to the creators to make what they please - regardless of content, be it something people find offensive or sexist or if it's something genderpositive or whatever - and subtracting things from products solely because it isn't deemed appropriate for the audience to consume. The difference being worrying about one is trite and silly, but worrying about the other is completely fair game. There has been indicators that legitimate censorship and not "it has political messages I don't like" could be the case later down the road so I have trouble saying the concern is unfounded, and it's kind of why I haven't been fond of some of the responses people offer up that paints this concern as purely political and making it a matter of SJW versus anti-SJW as opposed to seeing the bigger issue here.

PrettiBoiSlim said:

I don't want to stray tooo far off topic here, but, yeah....when released to the west. If there's going to be a drastic change in the type of content that is produced like that, it'll come from within Japan itself, not the west or anywhere else.

Even here stateside though, the fanatical "SJW's" you're talking about are a minority of people who don't event represent most of the people who are even just generally progressive. They're like the PETA of animal lovers, or the Westboro Baptist Church; they squawk a lot, but ultimately they don't have the kind of power to actually influence the kind of change they want.

PrettiBoiSlim said:


I'm actually about to start this one later this week. I missed this when it debuted, but a couple people I've talked to have spoken highly of it.

PrettiBoiSlim said:


Fair enough, but doesn't Japan even censor a lot of its own content (hence the value of buying on blu ray or dvd after a sereis actually airs)? What's even more confusing, though, is that 3d porn is even censored to some extent.
On a very loosely related note/sidebar, wasn't Higurashi even censored at one point after a couple of murders that seems vaguely similar to plot points in the series or something?

You can also usually download patches for those types of games from the publisher or fan communities after release, right? I did that with Huniepop. Vanilla game is censored, but you can get the "waifu" patch from the developer after initial purchase. As far as the developer is concerned, it avoids immediate controversy, but still allows people who want that kind of content to seek it out, right?

Imaishi said:
I think actually most of anime, save for stuff like CGDCT or ecchi/harem shows, could be enjoyed by a 'normie', if they actually get to try them.

On another forum I attend, not anime related, few people watched Erased and BNHA and liked the shows, despite not being into anime as a whole.
Death Note also seems like a show people would love, and most that try do.

PrettiBoiSlim said:
@Manaban

“I don't think we can do that with the entire anime fanbase at this point, tho, it'd need to be divided into subfandoms. Anime fanbase functions as a variety of subfandoms with different interests rather than one singular entity.”

That’s a good way to put it. The trouble is getting more fair and equal representation across those different subgenres, ecchi and related content included. That’s why I didn’t ask for series that specificly exclude that type of content, rather I asked “What are some of the shows that got you personally interested in anime, and what are some that you feel might be approachable for people who or are new/unfamiliar with it?” I’ve been taking note of the variety of series mentioned throughout this thread, and the different means through which members of the MAL community got into anime—not just the replied that say “Death Note” or whatever.

The way this thread has developed, though, I’ll have to do an entirely different podcast just about the “normalization” and possible censorship of anime, and whether or not it’s a “good” thing, so to speak. In that regard, would you be interested in coming onto the show sometime in the future to talk about it? I’m a better speaker than typist... There’s a bit of a time difference between us, but we could probably make it work for that or, you know, some Total War.

PrettiBoiSlim said:


I’m not calling it hypocritical so much as I’m calling confusing to an outsider trying to understand it. I agree with your previous sentiment about all of this tying into a greater overall acceptance of sexual content, across any medium, really. I can tell you this, though, we’re not even close to that in the US right now; some of the most “tolerant” people on the left here will still probably scoff the minute you mention you’re only into 2D cat girls or whatever.

Pullman said:
Breaking Bad, The Wire, Rick and Morty, Sense8, Dirk Gently, Bojack Horseman, Westworld, Dark, Stranger Things, Arrested Development etc...

Lots of good series out there even if you don't want to watch anime.

Oriionx said:
Rick and Morty
Marvel cinematic universe
star wars
harry potter

PrettiBoiSlim said:
@15poundfish
China is a VERY limited market to begin with; the government only allows like 40 foreign films into the country every year. That type of market bottleneck doesn’t exist in the Western anime market. I don’t recall hearing anything about Marvel Studios having to “race to recast” a Tibetan character/actor (please share an article if you have one), but I do remember they took a little bit criticism for how they casted “The Ancient One”. At the end of the day, though, that didn’t really impact the amount of success the film had here in the US.

PrettiBoiSlim said:

Regardless, the driving force there is more likely that of a for-profit venture trying to preemptively calculate how to make the most money. If a developer/producer were to try to change a series very heavily invested in the Ecchi fanbase or whoever, chances are they’d lose a large portion of that fan base and the revenue it brings, so they’d immediately be under pressure to change back anyway. No I don’t know a whole lot about the danmachi thing Manaban mentioned earlier. I didn’t even know Crunchy Roll made games, honestly. Maybe there’s a point there, but even so, games are a different entertainment medium. I’m surprised they wouldn’t just release two version in such an instance. We have the AO rating specifically to designate standard 17+ mature content as separate from 18+ “Adult” content.

Pullman said:
Breaking Bad, The Wire, Rick and Morty, Sense8, Dirk Gently, Bojack Horseman, Westworld, Dark, Stranger Things, Arrested Development etc...


Lots of good series out there even if you don't want to watch anime.

15poundfish said:

They didn't recast, they already censored the movie in production to remove the appearance of Tibetan character. Its an example of self-censorship or censorship in the production process. It probably didn't impact the success because comic book movies from Marvel or DC universe are a cultural icon that sells in the west. Censorship is not always in plain sight, its never obvious to most people except the people that pay attention or have knowledge of the source material. Social engineers or censors can easily succeed if they push their propaganda in popular franchises without completely damaging the sales. Censorship is not always something that appears in your face with a hammer, its often subtle like a drop of water from a leaky pipe. You don't notice it at first, but the more you tolerate that leak the more likely you are going to end up with a bigger leak or a giant puddle on your hands. Its why when you see the censorship you should right away stop it immediately by repairing it and soldering it.



They would not necessarily be under pressure to bring back more ecchi fanservice, they could easily kill the franchise and move on to a different franchise. Its usually what happens with SJW's take over any hobby or franchise. It slowly goes to shit until everybody leaves and then the SJWS move on to the next thing to subvert and destroy. These people don't have passion for the medium like hobbyists or fans. They are toxic individuals that will destroy everything in their wake for their ideological agenda.