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Jan 17, 2008 6:22 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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The fact that this is the last of the truly dreadful filler episodes (and not as offensively bad as the African arc or Lincoln Island ones) is gratifying enough. Even so, this episode --which is partially recap and mostly musical-- doesn't mesh in well with the rest of the show. A better title for it would be "an excuse for the character to break into song and show recycled clips", because that's exactly how this episode plays out as. The only thing in the way of a plot here is when Jean sings a mindnumbingly simple ditty where he confesses his love for Nadia--and informs her how her misbehavior is affecting him! Although I do give the folks at Monster Island credit for getting the dub cast to sing the songs (Meg Bauman's Nadia has an especially lovely singing voice), this episode, again, is hardly worthwhile. The concept that Jean gets Nadia to reevaluate her behavior is a good one, but it's ineptly executed and serves no real purpose. As with the previous two Africa episodes, it really is no wonder that "The Nautilus Story" compilation decided to skip this one too.

That's something you should probably do too, because 32-34 are absolutely useless and have no saving graces whatsoever. None.

Incidentally, this episode is, in truth, a commercial for CDs featuring songs performed by the characters which NHK commissioned DISGUISED as an episode. No doubt they wanted GAINAX to participate in marketing them as well, so this episode was hurriedly produced with everyone involved (Gainax staff members) using (phony) Chinese aliases. Anno was credited as "Kubo So So So" during this episode, and co-wrote some of the songs in this episode with director Shinji Higuchi.
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Easily the worst ep of the series imo. Not completely worthless though, there are two great slow, full-body pans over Nadia during Jean's song... heh :D
Nov 13, 2012 7:49 PM
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It was bad, but I had a lot of fun watching this episode. I'm going to have to hunt down the dub for this.
Nov 13, 2012 8:00 PM
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It was bad, but I had a lot of fun watching this episode. I'm going to have to hunt down the dub for this.


You should. The ADV dub of Nadia is really good. Much better than a lot of longtime fans of the Japanese version will tell you otherwise. The only drawback is that the accents can be iffy at times (Jean's in particular), but the voices for the characters fit very well and the performances are very well done. It's not often you get a dub in which the children protagonists are voiced by children, and ADV's dub deserves credit for doing so. The Grandis gang, Nemo, Electra, Ayerton, and even Gargoyle (who took the longest time for me to get used to) are excellently portrayed as well. Personally, I prefer the dub to the Japanese version. Of course you may not feel the same way, but truth be told, I seriously recommend giving it a listen.
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This episode was filler in its purest forum, but I didn't hate it entirely. The last song and the scene before it were honestly pretty cute.

Doesn't excuse what came before it though, obviously.
Apr 11, 2014 2:17 PM
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The songs are OK as far as image songs go.

The Dub cast do a reasonable job of singing, the lyrics are OK for fitting in with the tunes.

Gentler Than The Sea is probably the best overall with Meg Bauman getting the right emotion for it.
May 6, 2014 10:28 AM
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Now that Nadia lost his first love?! She is going for the reserve route huh?
Jean should just ditch Nadia and make his own harem instead.
May 6, 2014 10:33 AM
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Now that Nadia lost his first love?! She is going for the reserve route huh?
Jean should just ditch Nadia and make his own harem instead.


I warned you NOT to sit through these island/Africa episodes. Then your perception of Nadia wouldn't be so badly effected. This whole Africa storyline was not supposed to be in the show. Period. It had no business being in there, it was not intended to be in the story, and it has no place in the continuity. You're supposed to skip it. Even Gainax wants to forget these 12 half-hours ever occurred, except episode 31.
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JTurner said:
I warned you NOT to sit through these island/Africa episodes. Then your perception of Nadia wouldn't be so badly effected. This whole Africa storyline was not supposed to be in the show. Period. It had no business being in there, it was not intended to be in the story, and it has no place in the continuity. You're supposed to skip it. Even Gainax wants to forget these 12 half-hours ever occurred, except episode 31.


Wow you muss be really loving this show XD after posting comments to all the episode and coming back like this! But like I said in the final ep, I was just curious and skipped most of the boring parts :) But why they are doing such a bad filler if they want to milk more money of it? They are just doing the opposite IMO. Ok maybe they did a regretfully bad decision and couldn't cancel it.
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CCL_Sama said:
JTurner said:
I warned you NOT to sit through these island/Africa episodes. Then your perception of Nadia wouldn't be so badly effected. This whole Africa storyline was not supposed to be in the show. Period. It had no business being in there, it was not intended to be in the story, and it has no place in the continuity. You're supposed to skip it. Even Gainax wants to forget these 12 half-hours ever occurred, except episode 31.


Wow you muss be really loving this show XD after posting comments to all the episode and coming back like this! But like I said in the final ep, I was just curious and skipped most of the boring parts :) But why they are doing such a bad filler if they want to milk more money of it? They are just doing the opposite IMO. Ok maybe they did a regretfully bad decision and couldn't cancel it.


The reason why the filler turned out so badly is because the original director, Hideaki Anno, wasn't even in the director's chair. Shinji Higuchi was. And regrettably, the two men were not on the same page when it came to story development and character portrayal. That and the show was really supposed to be 13 episodes shorter.

It didn't help, either, that the animation was outsourced, hence the dreadful quality of these episodes.

I also mentioned above that this episode ended up the way it was because NHK wanted to make it a commercial for then upcoming character song CDs. Regrettably, it turned out to be a product of corporate stupidity.
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Stupid episode. I wonder if this boosted the sales though.
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Anno is out to piss me off, I can feel it.

Why the hell is Miyazaki friends with that fuckwad? He can't direct for shit. He doesn't know how to manage the budget for an animation at all. Because if these filler episodes were meant to save up the last remaining amount of money on the last few episodes, then shit, DON'T make it a 39-episode weeb toon.

I don't even care anymore. I spoke too soon when I said it was classic adventure goodness.

DAT SHIT LONG GONE
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Anno is out to piss me off, I can feel it.

Why the hell is Miyazaki friends with that fuckwad? He can't direct for shit. He doesn't know how to manage the budget for an animation at all. Because if these filler episodes were meant to save up the last remaining amount of money on the last few episodes, then shit, DON'T make it a 39-episode weeb toon.

I don't even care anymore. I spoke too soon when I said it was classic adventure goodness.

DAT SHIT LONG GONE



anno did not direct the filler episodes ( 23 to 34 ) , it was Shinji Higuchi
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well i posted that here as well
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The fact that they spent the whole episode singing makes it one of the better recent episodes. The songs were fun, and I had a good laugh during the Nadia song (Oh my god). And it's a good way to end the fillers after those dreadful Africa episodes. I didn't mind the Lincoln Island arc as the characters were still acting in-character, and Nadia and Jean were closer than ever before. They were quite silly, but it fit the tone of the show. Previous two episodes just took a complete dump on Nadia as a character, and made her the most unlikable character ever. Hopefully they leave it behind next episode, so we can forget the Africa blunder as well.

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The fact that they spent the whole episode singing makes it one of the better recent episodes. The songs were fun, and I had a good laugh during the Nadia song (Oh my god). And it's a good way to end the fillers after those dreadful Africa episodes. I didn't mind the Lincoln Island arc as the characters were still acting in-character, and Nadia and Jean were closer than ever before. They were quite silly, but it fit the tone of the show. Previous two episodes just took a complete dump on Nadia as a character, and made her the most unlikable character ever. Hopefully they leave it behind next episode, so we can forget the Africa blunder as well.


They do forget about it in the next episode.

Also, sorry, but I have to disagree with you about Lincoln Island. To me, that was one of the biggest blunders of the show. It didn't fit with ANYTHING that came prior to that, and the ridiculously cartoonish stunts and stupid story lines were detrimental. Also, Jean and Nadia were not acting remotely at all like themselves, but caricatures. The so-called "development" during that island arc was not genuine at all, but more like a random series of sketches with zero purpose. It felt more like character derailment to me. "Closer than ever before?" Nonsense. That's messing up the character's progress, not development. The "first kiss" development doesn't work at all because it only happens due to a stupid and out-of-character incident with mushrooms, and it's not at all genuine, because they press reset right after. That's more like giving the audience a middle finger, and only succeeds in giving the audience a poor impression of those characters.

The Lincoln Island arcs may have some redeeming moments, but the cold honest truth is that they are just as guilty as the African episodes for ruining the characters and the tone of the show. Simply put, they were NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. They should have been cut, or shortened. Period. Even Anno says they should not have been there.

Aside from episodes 32 and 33, episode 26 is one of the absolute WORST episodes in the show. (Seriously, read this, and you'll see that others are in agreement with that assessment: http://fwnanimatedreviews.deviantart.com/art/Animated-Atrocities-King-the-Lonely-Lion-484785664) It's pointless, it's stupid, and it fails to properly develop the characters. It wastes so much on its second half on a boring, never-ending dream sequence and nullifies a potential turning point in the characters' relationship. Even the scene where the leads kiss under the stars (before the writers mess it up) can't save it. Episode 25 is just as bad; it's redeemable moments are the flashback circus scenes and Gargoyle's funeral, but they can't make up for the ineptness of the episode.
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What a disappointment... To think I was expecting this one more than any other episode during this rewatch. (it was the only one I never saw before, thanks to the french version skipping it in order to avoid songs localization)

I can't believe Sagisu delivered such bad / ground-level song tracks after Orange Road (nothing against an image album promotion filling the airtime, if it was at least good).

1/5 Even Nadia's ones were not pleasant to hear!


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Jean should just ditch Nadia and make his own harem instead.

With? Glandis? (since Marie is basically already "owned" by Sanson)
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As incredibly, terribad this episode is, i had a hell of a laugh with Jean's song. And as someone who has the OST's from back in the day, I always thought Nadia's seeiyu had a pretty good voice.
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Just when you think an episode is the worst in the series, the next one does the unthinkable and is even worse. This has been the pattern in Nadia for way, way too long.
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I was warned that it would get bad, but not this bad! NOT THIS BAD!

Am I even watching the same series even? Gainax did it again guys they blew it to pieces in the end...
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thank god Grandis was there to once again bring the fickle and hotheaded Nadia down to earth. although Jean is just a clueless as her, just in a less blatant way.
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lowkey recap in the form of music videos. nice.
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I managed to sit through all the filler episodes, what a tremendous accomplishment. Now, afaik, the rest of the episodes are supposed to be really good because Anno returned to direct them, amiright?

As for this one, it's terrible (and Jean's song is cringey as hell), but at least they didn't butcher the show more and just showed me some moments from episodes that were actually good :D So this episode was kinda like a huge AMV. I still can't fully conceive just how abysmal these 12 episodes were (well, maybe 30 and 31 were not, for the most part). The fact that the entire existence of Nautilus was completely forgotten in these 12 episodes is just beyond my comprehension. I know have a firm standard of what bad anime looks like.

By the way, what is "The Nautilus Story" everyone is mentioning there?
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Well this is the last of the filler episodes so that is reason enough to celebrate :D not the episode though it was not good XD but after those last two episodes I will take it!

So we get a music themed episode which kinda comes off as an extra that would be included on the home media release as a bonus feature you know where they just replay clips while the various cast members sing over the footage. LOL I agree with others here I am glad the footage they are showing are mostly from the actually good episodes! So this would probably be better as a special then an actual episode but considering the episodes we have gotten so far this "creative" choice does not shock me anymore.

The songs were okay REALLY OKAY I can tell the Japanese VAs are trying their best in their performances and they do have pretty nice singing voices but a lot of the lyrics are pretty cringe in several areas and we get some more of that quality cringe "comedy" especially in Jean's song to Nadia in fact Nadia sums up the episode pretty nicely with saying: that was awful. Yeah and it dawns on me what is this even meant to do? Just relay information we know in music form just seems pointless. But, like I said this is the last of the fillers I served my time with these infamous episodes and survived it :D and I could not be happier to wash my hands of this garbage and get back to the better quality content in the finale episodes ^-^

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Unlike the other island episodes, this episode wasn't even ok as background noise. -1/5
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wtf.... everyone hates this episode i loved it so much
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I'm quoting what "raduccio" a user from episode 33 said since this trash finished now.

"I want to pretend that the africa arc didn't happen but it's almost impossible. It pretty much ruins almost all the important characters.
- Nadia who would leave Jean for a guy she barely knows without the slightest trace of guilt.
- Nobody calling her out on it.
- Jean just taking it like a little wimp.
- Gradis falling for a guy who she knows to have destroyed her life and probably caused her father to destitution.

Seriously now.. who the hall thought this was a good idea?"

Perfect description. I will try this mini arc never happened to enjoy the rest of the show.
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The Grandis gang breaking into song may have been a nice throwback, but a song for every main character?

wtf was that Jean

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How can one make such an abomination?
It's like telling a cook to make a meal out of fecies.
I can only imagine how dreadful it must've been for the team.. like once this episode was done nobody said.. good job.. or well done.. frustrating for everyone involved.. producers.. viewers.. broadcasters...
Absolute lowpoint of the series.. maybe anime ever :O
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Anybody noticed Jean's anachronistic Ghettoblaster having 'GAINAX' written on it?
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Oh hey, another bunch of toothbrushing and stretching scenes with looping animations and sexist dialogue, been a while since we've had some of those.
Don't even get me started on the singing recaps. I do wanna mention though (watching the German dub): Marie's song is so wacky that it's good. The others were quite forgettable. And Jean's... hard to believe it wasn't satire about the whole filler arc. I can't believe all of this makes a 25 minute episode but here we are. Surprisingly, I did not fall asleep, too.
Finally done with the fillers and looking forward to the finale of this otherwise really good show!
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It was okay and inoffensive. Some good humor here and there and some fun songs, but otherwise, eh.
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I thought the music was decent
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Let's just all agree that episodes 32-34 are non-canonical, ok?
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Nothing better than some AMV's to clear the bad taste of the previous two episodes. It even made me laugh.

Besides the last 2 Episodes and some outliers, most of the filler was OK, not the worst thing ever but inferior to the first half.
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Nothing better than some AMV's to clear the bad taste of the previous two episodes. It even made me laugh.

Besides the last 2 Episodes and some outliers, most of the filler was OK, not the worst thing ever but inferior to the first half.
@AzafuseKingTora Its always amazing to me when people slop through absolute dogshit and leave comments like "That wasn't my favourite thing ever but its still a 6.5/10". I get that everyone has different standards but if I cared that little about the quality of the stuff I watched I would have no idea why I was even watching anime in the first place. This Nadia filler is some of the most rancid crap excuse of anime I've ever watched but yeah "not as good as the first half" definitely just about covers that description. Jesus..
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@AzafuseKingTora Its always amazing to me when people slop through absolute dogshit and leave comments like "That wasn't my favourite thing ever but its still a 6.5/10". I get that everyone has different standards but if I cared that little about the quality of the stuff I watched I would have no idea why I was even watching anime in the first place. This Nadia filler is some of the most rancid crap excuse of anime I've ever watched but yeah "not as good as the first half" definitely just about covers that description. Jesus..
@LotteGiants Thing is, I've seen worse Anime. I agree with most of the criticisms people have about these episodes, like Nadia being a bitch, haulting the story completely with barely anything happening and the Hanna-Barbera antics being out of place... but again... I've seen worse Anime. There's some decent stuff sprinkled in, like Nadia learning to trust more, that cute moment with Marie's encyclopedia, that romantic moment with the telescope (even if it's followed shortly after by one of the worst moments in the arc), learning why Nadia became adverse to killing in the first place, the arc becoming more bareable once Grandis and her gang got involved, the mysterious island's weirdness evoking old sailor myths (Even if it could've been executed much better) )and actually getting quite good near the end when Nadia and Jean explore the Red Noah and it takes off.

The only part I fully agree with you on being truly shit is the African Village stuff.

This being said, even accounting for the circumstances these were made in, they should've taken the show in a way more interesting direction instead, a direction we only got possible glimpses of in the various games that were made. But judging what we got for what it is, I'd give this arc a 5/10, because it has just enough redeeming qualities to not be a 4.5/10. Keep in mind, I hate skipping episodes that aren't recaps, as fillery as they might be, because I feel that would muddle the criteria, I feel that a show wouldn't deserve such a high praise, if I had to skip a third of it.

My general rating for Nadia is a 7.5/10, only thing preventing me from rating this show a 8 or even an 8.5 are these episodes. Having a couple good/bad moments, having a good/bad character or having a good-bad arc can influence my ratings.
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@LotteGiants Thing is, I've seen worse Anime. I agree with most of the criticisms people have about these episodes, like Nadia being a bitch, haulting the story completely with barely anything happening and the Hanna-Barbera antics being out of place... but again... I've seen worse Anime. There's some decent stuff sprinkled in, like Nadia learning to trust more, that cute moment with Marie's encyclopedia, that romantic moment with the telescope (even if it's followed shortly after by one of the worst moments in the arc), learning why Nadia became adverse to killing in the first place, the arc becoming more bareable once Grandis and her gang got involved, the mysterious island's weirdness evoking old sailor myths (Even if it could've been executed much better) )and actually getting quite good near the end when Nadia and Jean explore the Red Noah and it takes off.

The only part I fully agree with you on being truly shit is the African Village stuff.

This being said, even accounting for the circumstances these were made in, they should've taken the show in a way more interesting direction instead, a direction we only got possible glimpses of in the various games that were made. But judging what we got for what it is, I'd give this arc a 5/10, because it has just enough redeeming qualities to not be a 4.5/10. Keep in mind, I hate skipping episodes that aren't recaps, as fillery as they might be, because I feel that would muddle the criteria, I feel that a show wouldn't deserve such a high praise, if I had to skip a third of it.

My general rating for Nadia is a 7.5/10, only thing preventing me from rating this show a 8 or even an 8.5 are these episodes. Having a couple good/bad moments, having a good/bad character or having a good-bad arc can influence my ratings.
@AzafuseKingTora I know there is worse anime out there but I have enough sense and respect my own time enough to not wind up watching the wholly irredeemable shit. Regardless, the contrast of quality between the better parts of this show and this filler should shock the senses of anyone who is paying any normal degree of attention an adult can summon to the show. Like I said, it blows my mind when people engage with objective dogshit like this filler and it gets an almost passing grade from them. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone of anything but when I see that I just think those people have absolutely no taste and I would gain nothing from their opinions, positive or negative, because their senses are so dull.
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@AzafuseKingTora I know there is worse anime out there but I have enough sense and respect my own time enough to not wind up watching the wholly irredeemable shit. Regardless, the contrast of quality between the better parts of this show and this filler should shock the senses of anyone who is paying any normal degree of attention an adult can summon to the show. Like I said, it blows my mind when people engage with objective dogshit like this filler and it gets an almost passing grade from them. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone of anything but when I see that I just think those people have absolutely no taste and I would gain nothing from their opinions, positive or negative, because their senses are so dull.
@LotteGiants I mostly agree, but there's a spectrum of how bad things can be. Me saying that these episodes weren't THAT bad doesn't mean I liked them.

I still think they're bad. but like I said, there's just enough good moments to keep it from being completely irredeemable.

Doesn't change the fact they're bad.
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Sayoko said:
The last song and the scene before it were honestly pretty cute.

Richard_Marple said:
The songs are OK as far as image songs go.

JTurner said:
I also mentioned above that this episode ended up the way it was because NHK wanted to make it a commercial for then upcoming character song CDs.

ZetaZaku said:
The songs were fun, and I had a good laugh during the Nadia song (Oh my god).

Rei_III said:
I can't believe Sagisu delivered such bad / ground-level song tracks after Orange Road (nothing against an image album promotion filling the airtime, if it was at least good).

1/5 Even Nadia's ones were not pleasant to hear!

Farabeuf said:
i had a hell of a laugh with Jean's song. And as someone who has the OST's from back in the day, I always thought Nadia's seeiyu had a pretty good voice.

St0rmblade said:
As for this one, it's terrible (and Jean's song is cringey as hell), but at least they didn't butcher the show more and just showed me some moments from episodes that were actually good :D So this episode was kinda like a huge AMV.

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The songs were okay REALLY OKAY I can tell the Japanese VAs are trying their best in their performances and they do have pretty nice singing voices but a lot of the lyrics are pretty cringe in several areas and we get some more of that quality cringe "comedy" especially in Jean's song to Nadia in fact Nadia sums up the episode pretty nicely with saying: that was awful. Yeah and it dawns on me what is this even meant to do? Just relay information we know in music form just seems pointless.


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Don't even get me started on the singing recaps. I do wanna mention though (watching the German dub): Marie's song is so wacky that it's good. The others were quite forgettable. And Jean's... hard to believe it wasn't satire about the whole filler arc. I can't believe all of this makes a 25 minute episode but here we are.

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I thought the music was decent

AzafuseKingTora said:
Nothing better than some AMV's to clear the bad taste of the previous two episodes. It even made me laugh.

Those of you saying you liked the songs, I don't understand you... The songs were just in bad taste and very plain, hollow, uninspiring, trivial, soulless and yes, cringey at times

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I'm quoting what "raduccio" a user from episode 33 said since this trash finished now.

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=11340&id=72701278
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