| well actually you are using something that someone other stole, so basically its not stealing but nobody cares about that anyway |
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lihle808 said: Stealing is stealing, there is no justification for piracy. Those anime producers work hard to produce one episode(check out Shirobako) and you just go to these illegal websites and take them without sweat, then have the balls to criticize your ass off an anime. Another moralist that thinks he's actually supporting the industry. lol |
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Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: I seriously hate people who can't admit to what they are. You're a leech, accept it and embrace it. I pirate too, so I'm one as well. Doesn't matter if it's technically not stealing, now we're just playing semantics and that's a waste of everyone's time. We're still scum. Nope. The legal sites are shit, that's not my fault. |
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Kuraokani said: thewiru said: My oh my. You seem to be missing the entire point of the 'illegal streaming sites are wrong' argument. Yep, but you're not stealing, so don't use the word "stealing". That is not stealing, that is actually invasion and illegal use of private property Though that argument might work if you're a mutualist. "so you telling me Burger King stole the recipe from McDonalds too?" That also works for "Random guy that made a chair" and "Another random guy that also made a chair" "But it is. But you seem to have some kind of agenda so you're dismissing it from what it is. That or you're not very bright on the subject honestly" If my agenda is the truth, then yes, i have an agenda. "Yes certainly but in this instance the crime itself is stealing" Not, it isn't "taking a product you don't own is stealing though which is what they are doing and you're doing every time you use an illegal site to watch your shows." That pressupposed that if you take it, the original owner won't have it anymore, which isn't the case for anime. Also, copying isn't stealing. That was a little joke of mine. In order for it to be stealing, one must lose something. The point is, your stealing from the creators. You're copying and distributing something that you didn't create. You're stealing profits that should go to the studios and people that actually had something to do with the creation. You heard "stealing" and decided to take it literally. Either way it goes, illegal streaming sites are wrong and take profits from people who deserve them And it doesn't matter because they aren't getting payed by any legal sites either. |
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Kuraokani said: Kittens-kun said: Uhhh, how so? Legal streaming sites license shows. And it doesn't matter because they aren't getting payed by any legal sites either. A licensing agreement is a legal contract between two parties, known as the licensor and the licensee. In a typical licensing agreement, the licensor grants the licensee the right to produce and sell goods, apply a brand name or trademark, or use patented technology owned by the licensor. In exchange, the licensee usually submits to a series of conditions regarding the use of the licensor's property and agrees to make payments known as royalties. Am I wrong? Legal streaming sites don't pay royalties to the licensor? And none of that money actually goes to the creators. If it did, they wouldn't still be making shit wages. |
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isekai said: Kittens-kun said: And none of that money actually goes to the creators. If it did, they wouldn't still be making shit wages. you got no idea how anime making is done then anime is owned by the production committee a group of companies sharing money to make an anime and then they hire a anime studio as a contractor to animate the anime adaptation of a source material that is usually owned by one of the companies included in the production committee whether you hate the production committees from hoarding most of the profit or not this is how anime is being made today and majority of anime studios do not get any other bonuses from this production committees And CR is still useless. Legal or illegal, we aren't helping anybody. |
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| What is this thread even talking about? Of course it is stealing. Stop trying to play with definitions. Stealing is considered wrong because you're consuming or taking the BENEFIT of something WITHOUT PERMISSION. The fact is that money (which we use to pay someone for something) was invented because we want to EXCHANGE benefits to acquire the items we want. The very fact that all of us who use kissanime are watching the shows without the permission of the authors/owners, not exchanging any kind of value with the producers of the content is stealing full stop. In my opinion stealing isn't a bad thing in and off itself. I would like to pay for my content but paid services aren't as good as free ones. Most people who use illegal streaming don't want to pay mainly because they aren't financially secure enough to do so. Illegal streaming also builds up a massive fellowship of the anime medium itself which ultimately does benefit legal streaming down-the-line since series that haven't been licenced are available for free elsewhere - it offers up a huge potential reserve of customers for legal sites. Because of things like this I'm not really against Piracy. Regardless of anyone's opinions though, piracy will always exist because the internet. Stop trying to offer a defense of blatant stealing. It's okay to live as a hypocrite and use both legal or illegal services etc., that's just a part of what makes us human. |
Elegade said: So would you like to coin a new term for it then? How is taking money from proper licencors and publishers not theft? It is stealing, but you're not stealing the work itself, you are practically taking away a source of potential revenue for the studio whenever you pirate. Lets even take this further and use Youtube as an example, I make a boss ass video that I am really proud of, I got 10k views on it, the next day a Youtube channel with millions of subscribers downloaded my video and posted it on their channel and it got a million views. Now how is that not stealing? Now you're wondering that's not the same cause blah blah blah, but all media except royalty free stuff are protected under the Digitial Millennium Copyright Act. Not just the USA media and the USA licensors. DCMA can't be applied in Europe or Japan unless that is a request in the courts (Europe after a long process and not applied in Netherlands, etc). It could be seeing stealing only if you made a profit from the digital media as DCMA, and other laws indicate. |
| Good grief. Words change their meanings over time. They adapt to a changing society. It is a given. When the word was coined, illegal streaming didn't exist. And besides, you are denying the producer profit. Stop being pedantic. Why are we having this argument anyway? The OP has proved time and again he/she is a brick wall who will not budge to reason. |
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Kuraokani said: Kittens-kun said: Ohhh, you should have specified that you were talking about the animators, no worries though. And none of that money actually goes to the creators. If it did, they wouldn't still be making shit wages. That's a completely different discussion though... Still, the fact remains the same, the profits should go to the manga creators or the studios who make the anime. Realistically it should go to anyone other than these illegal streaming sites. You know how much Kissanime makes a month? It's crazy. There haven't been any official figures but some guy who knows all about as revenue, said that it was a lot. There's a YouTube video on it somewhere. Now imagine, if even half of the profits that these illegal streaming sites make went to the industry, I think we we would have a much better anime industry, or at least one that we could consistently count on. I mean, I don't think that KA should be making any money either. They really don't do anything to deserve it. But I also don't agree with people telling me to pay for the inferior option just because of "muh morals" |
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Using CR might not help the orginal creators but the money does go to the production companies in Japan. All that matters is that the money IS flowing back into Japanese banks. What's not legally 'our' concern is how the Japanese production companies use this money to pay the real creators etc. The fault doesn't lie in the legal services and the people using them, it lies with the industry itself which does underpay it's workers. This is a Japanese issue not ours. If you want to directly support the creators then you have to use more direct methods like Patreon etc. Not that hard to understand. If you aren't willing to do that then stop trying to diss on CR and other legal streaming services. When you pay $0 for any of the content you consume you don't get to defend yourself from saying you aren't stealing. Again as I said before, I have nothing against people who use illegal services. It's not wrong, it's completely natural to do so. If there is a common resource that is hard to control/everyone has access to then it should be no surprise for people to use it e.g. Water; you could pay for water but you could just as easily get it for free if you lived near a river. There's nothing wrong about it because it's common. Pirated content has become like this common resource. It's everywhere and near impossible to control so it should be of no surprise to have a lot of people using it. Legal services simply have to compete regardless, offer up more value for the $$ you put in to justify switching from simply receiving the content for free. I use CR for shows that are licensed, 9anime for shows that aren't. Not that hard to understand. |
| No matter how you craft your arguments, taking content you didn't make and posting it with the aim of profits in stealing. Kissanime by far is intentionally putting ads on their sites of illegally obtained content, therefore IT IS STEALING. But to spin your arguments and to play with words just to make yourself feel less guilty? Please. Just face it, you use an illegal service and it is stealing. While you are admittedly less guilty because you don't attempt to profit off stolen content, you are watching something which should otherwise be bought. I'm NOT even complaining about the money Kiss makes, nor do I care at all. Illegal streaming sites provide a service for people who will never otherwise be able to watch it (Well I personally torrent, but that's beside the point). I don't care about the morality of this either, because I got FUCK all to watch on legal sites in my country and I can hence understand the reasoning behind piracy. |
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Kittens-kun said: I mean, I don't think that KA should be making any money either. They really don't do anything to deserve it. But I also don't agree with people telling me to pay for the inferior option just because of "muh morals" I don't understand. Kissanime provides a service (illegal, yes but a service nonetheless). Sure their efforts are nothing compared to how the studios/animators working their ass off, or people working a regular job. However advertisers are the ones willingly paying money to have their ads hosted on a popular site, so I don't see why KA shouldn't get any money. I do agree that so far the legal options have been utterly lacking. It is a failure on Japan's part for never trying to properly reach out beyond their own country, so much so that it is people internationally constantly having to create sites and services for Japan's content. |
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IndianAnimeReker said: Using CR might not help the orginal creators but the money does go to the production companies in Japan. All that matters is that the money IS flowing back into Japanese banks. What's not legally 'our' concern is how the Japanese production companies use this money to pay the real creators etc. The fault doesn't lie in the legal services and the people using them, it lies with the industry itself which does underpay it's workers. This is a Japanese issue not ours. If you want to directly support the creators then you have to use more direct methods like Patreon etc. Not that hard to understand. If you aren't willing to do that then stop trying to diss on CR and other legal streaming services. When you pay $0 for any of the content you consume you don't get to defend yourself from saying you aren't stealing. Again as I said before, I have nothing against people who use illegal services. It's not wrong, it's completely natural to do so. If there is a common resource that is hard to control/everyone has access to then it should be no surprise for people to use it e.g. Water; you could pay for water but you could just as easily get it for free if you lived near a river. There's nothing wrong about it because it's common. Pirated content has become like this common resource. It's everywhere and near impossible to control so it should be of no surprise to have a lot of people using it. Legal services simply have to compete regardless, offer up more value for the $$ you put in to justify switching from simply receiving the content for free. I use CR for shows that are licensed, 9anime for shows that aren't. Not that hard to understand. I'm going to diss them when they offer an inferior service. Plus, I never said I wasn't stealing. I'm just saying I don't give a shit because the legal sites have almost no merit behind them. I'm not going to pay for CR when I know that almost any illegal site is better than it. |
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Kittens-kun said: I'm going to diss them when they offer an inferior service. Plus, I never said I wasn't stealing. I'm just saying I don't give a shit because the legal sites have almost no merit behind them. I'm not going to pay for CR when I know that almost any illegal site is better than it. That's a fair argument you make, and it's your decision not to use CR. I don't care either way which service you use. I'm just arguing against the idea that using illegal services isn't stealing. It is, deal with it and move on. Hell if there was a illegal service that gave away half of its profits back to the anime industry I would switch to that instead of CR. The fact that you don't use CR represents a flaw in their service because they weren't able to 'capture you' from the total number of internet anime viewers. I use CR solely as a way to give back to the industry and reduce the guilt of stealing everything i.e. I don't particularly care about their service quality, as long the video is in reasonable quality I'd rather watch it there. Whether or not my money actually goes to the creators is none of my concern because as I said the fault lies in the industry's use of my money not in CR or me. |
| it is stealing, like smallest kind of stealing, but still stealing... |
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| oh, and another note, why i hate illegal streamer is not that they are pirate, but they are also stole from people who works hard that make it available free for comunity and comersialize for their own goods, when not even horriblesubs does such loathing things... |
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Kuraokani said: Kittens-kun said: B-but vrv is far superior to MAL... it's got Funtmation, Crunchyroll, and a ton of others. I mean, I don't think that KA should be making any money either. They really don't do anything to deserve it. But I also don't agree with people telling me to pay for the inferior option just because of "muh morals" I know it's expensive but, blu-ray is far superior to even vrv. I know their expensive but you're talking about superiority now... :) I feel like I have to add, I'm not trying to 'white knight' about. I used KA for a long time. Hell, I even use it to this day (when I can't find what I'm looking for on vrv). I'm mainly bashing the people who don't support the industry at all or very little. If you don't buy anime or subscriptions then I don't think you should watch it. If you can't afford a hobby, you shouldn't have it. That's my opinion though I guess. The price isn't the issue (Amazon being the exception) It's that they don't off anything that's actually worth my money. If there was a site that was as good or better than the illegal sites, and it cost around the same as CR, then me and a lot of other people would pay for it. We pirate because the services are shit, not just because we don't feel like or can't pay. "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work, it's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates." - Gabe Newell. |
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| I don't blame people for stealing it and watching it on those sites. I have Netflix and CR myself but not everyone does If this exclusive rights gets so spread out that certain anime goes to Netflix, certain ones are on Anime Strike (Amazon) or CR. No one wants to jump through all those hoops. I already have Amazon Prime but I'm not paying extra on top of that just to watch Re:Creators. Illegal site for me. |
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| Oh good, this thread. I just came here to see everyone saying that OP s wrong, but what a shitstorm you've incited. You can remain defiant in your reasoning and belive yourself that you're the right one here, but I guarantee, here on MAL - on this specific topic - you're in the minority. I'm not gonna be a juvenile child and berate you on why you're wrong (everyone's taken care of that) I'll just say that your stance on this topic is the unpopular one. For the record, I don't use bullshit sites like KissAnime or 9anime to watch anime. I'd rather torrent it instead. Either way it's still 'stealing' though. |
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JFuji said: I don't blame people for stealing it and watching it on those sites. I have Netflix and CR myself but not everyone does If this exclusive rights gets so spread out that certain anime goes to Netflix, certain ones are on Anime Strike (Amazon) or CR. No one wants to jump through all those hoops. I already have Amazon Prime but I'm not paying extra on top of that just to watch Re:Creators. Illegal site for me. That's another thing. You'd have to have all three of the big streaming sites because they spread the shit out with their exclusive bs. People will say that CR or Netflix aren't bad on their own. But when you pretty much have to pay for all three? That shit adds up quick. |
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Kuraokani said: Kittens-kun said: I haven't found anything wrong with, the previously mentioned, vrv. It's a great service. The price isn't the issue (Amazon being the exception) It's that they don't off anything that's actually worth my money. If there was a site that was as good or better than the illegal sites, and it cost around the same as CR, then me and a lot of other people would pay for it. We pirate because the services are shit, not just because we don't feel like or can't pay. "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work, it's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates." - Gabe Newell. When it comes right down to it, piracy is wrong. It's not about morals, it's about supporting the industry you love. It's would be better to only watch what you buy (physical copies) rather than illegally stream or torrent it. Some may say, "That's unrealistic" or "I'm not going to buy something I don't know I'll even like", and whilst I slightly agree with those arguments, I can still acknowledge that getting your entertainment through illegal channels is wrong. Those sites should be your last resort. By that I mean, if your not able to use a streaming serivice, borrow it from a friend, or just buy the physical copies, then and only then, I can slightly agree with someone illegally streaming. Yeah, we're just not going to see eye-to-eye on this one. I'm just going to end up repeating myself, so I'm just gonna stop here. |
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sasalx said: I hope you feel better while thinking like that OP. I get my 8 hours of beauty sleep every night. It feels great man. (my thought process on the matter is definetly different from OP's tho) |
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| I guess I'm a thief. I don't care either way, I'm not paying for anime, not unless I absolutely have to. Even then I'd rather not spend money and just quit anime. |
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Kuraokani said: Kittens-kun said: I haven't found anything wrong with, the previously mentioned, vrv. It's a great service. The price isn't the issue (Amazon being the exception) It's that they don't off anything that's actually worth my money. If there was a site that was as good or better than the illegal sites, and it cost around the same as CR, then me and a lot of other people would pay for it. We pirate because the services are shit, not just because we don't feel like or can't pay. "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work, it's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates." - Gabe Newell. When it comes right down to it, piracy is wrong. It's not about morals, it's about supporting the industry you love. It's would be better to only watch what you buy (physical copies) rather than illegally stream or torrent it. Some may say, "That's unrealistic" or "I'm not going to buy something I don't know I'll even like", and whilst I slightly agree with those arguments, I can still acknowledge that getting your entertainment through illegal channels is wrong. Those sites should be your last resort. By that I mean, if your not able to use a streaming serivice, borrow it from a friend, or just buy the physical copies, then and only then, I can slightly agree with someone illegally streaming. Well Using borrowed physical copies/streaming services would be a good idea really but there is one big issue. That issue is called Regionlocking. Not all Anime watchers in the west are American and anime is not region free (kike games are). I live in Europe so I cannot watch stuff from Funimation (even though Funi is part of vrv like CR is), Aniplex or any other distributors who don't go Europe. I have to pray for shows to get the CR, Netflix or Amazon license so that I can at least watch them. |
Kittens-kun said: Kuraokani said: Ohhh, you should have specified that you were talking about the animators, no worries though. That's a completely different discussion though... Still, the fact remains the same, the profits should go to the manga creators or the studios who make the anime. Realistically it should go to anyone other than these illegal streaming sites. You know how much Kissanime makes a month? It's crazy. There haven't been any official figures but some guy who knows all about as revenue, said that it was a lot. There's a YouTube video on it somewhere. Now imagine, if even half of the profits that these illegal streaming sites make went to the industry, I think we we would have a much better anime industry, or at least one that we could consistently count on. I mean, I don't think that KA should be making any money either. They really don't do anything to deserve it. But I also don't agree with people telling me to pay for the inferior option just because of "muh morals" Part of the money you spend on Crunchyroll or Funimation goes to translation and staff on that end. And KissAnime steals from Crunchyroll... so stealing a translator's work. Kiss Anime would be more respectable in my eyes if they did any of their own translations. Much like how Aarinfantasy does their own translations. But they don't. They make money off other people's work through and through. |
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Bourmegar said: Then why is most of KissAnime's Traffic from the USA? Kuraokani said: I haven't found anything wrong with, the previously mentioned, vrv. It's a great service. When it comes right down to it, piracy is wrong. It's not about morals, it's about supporting the industry you love. It's would be better to only watch what you buy (physical copies) rather than illegally stream or torrent it. Some may say, "That's unrealistic" or "I'm not going to buy something I don't know I'll even like", and whilst I slightly agree with those arguments, I can still acknowledge that getting your entertainment through illegal channels is wrong. Those sites should be your last resort. By that I mean, if your not able to use a streaming serivice, borrow it from a friend, or just buy the physical copies, then and only then, I can slightly agree with someone illegally streaming. Well Using borrowed physical copies/streaming services would be a good idea really but there is one big issue. That issue is called Regionlocking. Not all Anime watchers in the west are American and anime is not region free (kike games are). I live in Europe so I cannot watch stuff from Funimation (even though Funi is part of vrv like CR is), Aniplex or any other distributors who don't go Europe. I have to pray for shows to get the CR, Netflix or Amazon license so that I can at least watch them. Crunchyroll has over 1000 titles here in the USA. And Funimation has almost as many. Hulu has around 400. All and all, very easy access to at least 2k anime here legally. And our DVDs are cheaper than most places. I think that is the piece of the argument I don't understand. With over 1000 anime and most people here not even being close to that and with Crunchyroll expanding it's retro options... It is becoming increasingly difficult to understand piracy particularly for anime in the USA. It is just so cheap now. I watched 100 titles last year 100% legally. I would say Hentai is the only thing that is truely difficult to get ahold of. |
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Rotton-Girl said: Kittens-kun said: I mean, I don't think that KA should be making any money either. They really don't do anything to deserve it. But I also don't agree with people telling me to pay for the inferior option just because of "muh morals" Part of the money you spend on Crunchyroll or Funimation goes to translation and staff on that end. And KissAnime steals from Crunchyroll... so stealing a translator's work. Kiss Anime would be more respectable in my eyes if they did any of their own translations. Much like how Aarinfantasy does their own translations. But they don't. They make money off other people's work through and through. if they are only mirroring, thay are not that bad... but they are literaly edit it, re encode it, delete it's credit, slap their watermarks like it was theirs... i think there was a problem back then when fansube refuse to release their works in soft subs because of it... |
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Kuma said: Rotton-Girl said: Part of the money you spend on Crunchyroll or Funimation goes to translation and staff on that end. And KissAnime steals from Crunchyroll... so stealing a translator's work. Kiss Anime would be more respectable in my eyes if they did any of their own translations. Much like how Aarinfantasy does their own translations. But they don't. They make money off other people's work through and through. if they are only mirroring, thay are not that bad... but they are literaly edit it, re encode it, delete it's credit, slap their watermarks like it was theirs... i think there was a problem back then when fansube refuse to release their works in soft subs because of it... I actually think this is why Crunchyroll has to release things in hard sub. :( |
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Rotton-Girl said: Bourmegar said: Then why is most of KissAnime's Traffic from the USA? Well Using borrowed physical copies/streaming services would be a good idea really but there is one big issue. That issue is called Regionlocking. Not all Anime watchers in the west are American and anime is not region free (kike games are). I live in Europe so I cannot watch stuff from Funimation (even though Funi is part of vrv like CR is), Aniplex or any other distributors who don't go Europe. I have to pray for shows to get the CR, Netflix or Amazon license so that I can at least watch them. Crunchyroll has over 1000 titles here in the USA. And Funimation has almost as many. Hulu has around 400. All and all, very easy access to at least 2k anime here legally. And our DVDs are cheaper than most places. I think that is the piece of the argument I don't understand. With over 1000 anime and most people here not even being close to that and with Crunchyroll expanding it's retro options... It is becoming increasingly difficult to understand piracy particularly for anime in the USA. It is just so cheap now. I watched 100 titles last year 100% legally. I would say Hentai is the only thing that is truely difficult to get ahold of. Well there is more anime traffic in the USA because the USA is more exposed to Anime then Europe. Either Americans are cheapskates or not satisfied with the services? I don't know. And even though The money spend on the services goes to the translators, it allows these translators to aquire the licenses of future shows. So the money spend doesn't go directly towards the creators..... Plus is CR really working on a retro catalog? How big is that catalog now? |
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thewiru said: I recently watched the Mother's Basement video were he spouts the word "stealing" every five seconds. Anime piracy is NOT stealing: "steal VERB Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it. 1.1 Dishonestly pass off (another person's ideas) as one's own.’" First things first: The concept of private property is based on a simple thing, that if i have an apple, you can't have the same apple at the same time. With anime, however, such thing doesn't happen. By a pirate website having anime in their catalog, other catalogs from other websites can still have the same anime at the same time. Since no one lost anything, it can't be stealing, as for the second definition: Well, pirate sites never actually say the work is theirs, and the names of the people who created it are all over it's OP's and ED's. You can support it or disagree with it, it's your opinion, but please, PLEASE, don't use this word. As much as I want to agree with this, it feels like a loose argument. The theft comes from a third party illegally distributing content that does not belong to them in order to make a profit. They're taking revenue from the original producers by streaming anime on their site illegally and without permission. That's where the theft comes in. Now as for the viewers, I wouldn't consider ourselves thieves but we are accessing the content illegally or illegitimately. No way to deny that. It's tough. As much as I want to justify using Kissanime, I can't in my right mind. |
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| @Bourmegar So, the retro catalogue started growing a bit after they hooked up with Funimation, but just a LOT when they announced they have 1 million subscribers. So most of it is Funimation titles but there are others. But I will go through them in order: My cut off date was 2004 Considering they used to barely have any titles from before 2006 which was the year they started streaming legally, this is actually a major improvement from 2 years ago when most of these titles were not on there. Card Capture Sakura was one of the first retro titles along with Fushigi Yugi and GTO. I think those were put on the platform in 2014. |
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Rotton-Girl said: @Bourmegar So, the retro catalogue started growing a bit after they hooked up with Funimation, but just a LOT when they announced they have 1 million subscribers. So most of it is Funimation titles but there are others. But I will go through them in order: My cut off date was 2004 Considering they used to barely have any titles from before 2006 which was the year they started streaming legally, this is actually a major improvement from 2 years ago when most of these titles were not on there. Card Capture Sakura was one of the first retro titles along with Fushigi Yugi and GTO. I think those were put on the platform in 2014. ok so I cannot see them then coz of funimation sigh So Anime watchers outside the US can only use like 1,5 legal Streaming services, Crunchyroll isn't allowed to stream shows that aren't licensed for europe to europe (not all the shows on CR are licensed by CR), Anime Strike is as far as I know not available in EU (correct me if I am wrong). Only Netflix's Anime can be shown to all countries that do Have Netflix. I wish that Regionlocking would just go away......... |
thewiru said: Anime piracy is NOT stealing: "steal VERB Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it. 1.1 Dishonestly pass off (another person's ideas) as one's own.’" Piracy is a form of stealing, just not in the manner you described. With illegal distributions you are not stealing the video, however, you are stealing the legal right to make money off one's own hard work. By your own definition steaming illegal videos is taking without permission the legal right to make money off ones own creation. I also certainly doubt these pirate sites have any intention to return the stolen revenue (ad revenue, etc.) and lost revenue (from people watching outside legal means) to the original creators. Therefore, digital piracy is a form of stealing and using this term is not wrong. In response to others who claim it is not stealing so it is not a crime, the argument is moot. Piracy is explicitly defined as a separate crime in almost every country in the world. In addition, in the case of anime the content holders are protected under American or Japanese law, therefore, these pirates are breaking their laws and subject to their punishments. Why pirates are able to get away with it is a whole different story which I won't elaborate here. |
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| That's not the anime itself pirate sites are stealing, but the right to broadcast it. That's the apple. What you as a watcher is stealing, is the money that company would have got from you to let you watch it. Like, wtf man, I stream on pirate sites too, but don't start twisting logic to justify it, it's ridiculous. |
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| People who say pirating isn't stealing have never actually went through the trouble of creating something for themselves. Or else they would be terrified of the thought of having someone else making money by use of their work. Or is an ancap wacko (apparently the case oif our dear OP), and to this there's no remedy. |
| Not that I care much about pirating either way, I would say it is in fact stealing. It's similar to stealing art online imo. Even if you don't claim it as yours you're hurting the creator, especially since most sites make a profit off of it. |
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