| OK, let me explain... If anyone is knowledgeable about games and shit, you will know that there have been an influx of "Girl Gamers" in the past several years where back in the 90s it was overwhelmingly a male demographic. Anyway, many (NOT ALL) of these "Girl Gamers" are only into it because games have become very popular and basically now mainstream where before it wasn't. Well...what about female anime fans? Anime, like games, have predominantly been heavily skewed in the male demographic, but as it becomes more and more popular....we're getting more female anime fans. Excluding Fujoshis...how many are in it just because it's becoming more and more mainstream? |
| Anime is for guys? Really? Shoujo is the most common manga demographic by far and is far more popular in Japan than anime is. If anything it's guys who are along for the ride. |
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| Idk, but I'd say anime is not the ideal medium for girls (and boys) that can't withstand heavy amounts of sexual fanservice and male wish fulfillment. Though Shoujo is full female dreams as well. |
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| Female anime fans are a whole lot better than "Girl Gamers" because they seem to be authentic in their enjoyment (at least those who I know) as there are shows with them as the target demographic. Those who I have talked to seem to have very different taste from myself, but that's good. They aren't trying to fit in with everyone else as some social power thing, but they are simply enjoying the same medium. |
zombie_pegasus said: Anime is for guys? Really? Shoujo is the most common manga demographic by far and is far more popular in Japan than anime is. If anything it's guys who are along for the ride. This is not what I'm talking about. Also, I didn't mention manga at all. |
JustALEX said: Girls have their own anime to watch. The term "girl gamers" is somewhat derogatory since up until recently video games were seen as a male medium and females who played them were seen as attention whores. With anime, however, there is just as much content for girls as there is for guys so female fans are just as native to the medium as males are. It is not the same thing.zombie_pegasus said: Anime is for guys? Really? Shoujo is the most common manga demographic by far and is far more popular in Japan than anime is. If anything it's guys who are along for the ride. This is not what I'm talking about. Also, I didn't mention manga at all. |
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| Girls gamers existed way for too long, people just didnt notice because girls didnt anounce It because "games are for men", the fact that games are slowly taking in consideration that there are indeed girls Who play, we girls feel more confortable telling that, yeah we also enjoy videogames. About anime,i dont think is the same, because anime never was full targeted to men, shoujo existed and girls openly watched It. |
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| Isn't most of old anime shoujo? I mean this is an example. https://myanimelist.net/anime/2800/Candy_Candy |
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| I'm a girl and i've watched anime ever since i was young. Animation itself is a wonderful thing, and anime's can often discuss or show things that are only beautiful in animation. I don't even like all that gay ass romance anime bullshit, i'm really here for the dark and complex animes. But to be honest i don't think a lot of girls would watch anime just because it has gone mainstream. You're either into it or not right? Maybe that's just my opinion. :) |
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| Anime doesn't "belong" to guys, so no. |
notsogracious said: But to be honest i don't think a lot of girls would watch anime just because it has gone mainstream. You're either into it or not right? Maybe that's just my opinion. :) I agree with this. I watch anime (and play video games) because I derive enjoyment form those things. Whether it is mainstream or not doesn't matter to me. I've never hidden the fact that I like those things, even when anime was just starting to become more popular in Western culture. It could be that as anime becomes more mainstream, more people are exposed to it and become aware of it, which increases the number of people that watch it. |
| isn't "grill gamers" just a slur for girl who stream her "gameplay" while being almost half naked or something? a.k.a camwhore on twitch.tv |
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| Not necessarily, but usually, yes, because both gaming and anime are pretty close when it comes to the type of enjoyment you get out of it. |
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GangsterCat said: Nah, those aren't grill gamers, these are grill gamers:isn't "grill gamers" just a slur for girl who stream her "gameplay" while being almost half naked or something? a.k.a camwhore on twitch.tv  |
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| "Either way, if she sucks at it, then all she will receive from me would be trash talks she'd never seen in Google." From someone who easily gets butthurt and always blames other people. |
| I bet we've stumbled over more female gamers than you think. Most people don't make a big deal out of it, there are only a handful of retards who actually say that they are female, just imagine everyone saying his gender in any game. "Hey, I'm male/female...". Who the hell cares? By the way, I'm frequently playing with "girl gamers" and I used to play with some years ago as well. The only reason I think that they are not as presents as males is because they have something better to do. On top of it, females don't get the same dopamine rush as males when they level up/make a sick play or whatever. It's partly the genetics, males just feel more rewarded when they play videogames. |
Geez, where did I say something like this? I said anime and games have predominantly had an overwhelming male demographic in thaw past...which is true! And now as video games and anime become more and more mainstream...more and more female fans have joined in....which is true! |
| classic Tomb Raider used to have a huge female fanbase - there may or may not have been more males than females playing it, but among those going into fandom, females were at least equal, my estimation is: actually more, than males. So that there haven't been female gamers in the 90s is imo. a misconception to begin with. Anything concluded from a false base is useless to discuss, since it could be literally anything. |
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GangsterCat said: isn't "grill gamers" just a slur for girl who stream her "gameplay" while being almost half naked or something? a.k.a camwhore on twitch.tv Well, you said it right there...."Camwhores". But I've seen YT videos of so called "Girl Gamers" who don't seem to be very knowledgeable. But they're wearing a video game shirt and talk about how video games are Soooo cool! To be absolutely fair...I have NOT seen something like that in anime. But let's wait and see. |
| there is a difference between the stereotype of anime fan and gamer being of males, and that actually being the case about most of the fandom of those 2 medias zlthough i could be wrong since most mainstream shit that make most people start watching anime was male oriented, but i do not see the necessary correlation between those mediums becoming mainstream and girls starting to use them |
| I seriously DOUBT that girls would willingly pretend to like m&a because it's cool... Let's be honest, it's still not, at least to my knowledge. If anything, usually I see reactions like "eww, lame", so yeah, nothing fun about it. |
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GangsterCat said: isn't "grill gamers" just a slur for girl who stream her "gameplay" while being almost half naked or something? a.k.a camwhore on twitch.tv This is the same I was thinking, dem chicks just tryna take advantage of lonely guys. |
| Female Fujoshi are scary, events like Gintama Matsuri the crowds are full of female, even though Gintama is a Shounen Jump. |
zombie_pegasus said: Anime is for guys? Really? Shoujo is the most common manga demographic by far and is far more popular in Japan than anime is. If anything it's guys who are along for the ride. that moment when there are probably more males reading shoujo that there are females. ayye ur back!!! |
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mattao313 said: GangsterCat said: isn't "grill gamers" just a slur for girl who stream her "gameplay" while being almost half naked or something? a.k.a camwhore on twitch.tv This is the same I was thinking, dem chicks just tryna take advantage of lonely guys. They're pretty effective tho... Those Camwhores make a shit ton of money pretending to like video games and shit. |
JustALEX said: mattao313 said: This is the same I was thinking, dem chicks just tryna take advantage of lonely guys. They're pretty effective tho... Those Camwhores make a shit ton of money pretending to like video games and shit. Yeah can't knock the hustle they gettin money. I couldn't do that shit though, in the back of my mind I'd always be mad about them basically stealing my money. Even on YT I feel some type of away when they just be having the titties all out on display..."like I know what you tryna do" lol. |
| There were always a lot of girls into anime. There are many shows where girls are the majority of the fanbase. I don't know about the "mainstream" pulling in girls into anime, if anything i think the very very popular shows actually pull in more of the male demographic. Yeah I know more guys tend to watch anime, but the huge proportion of them probably have just seen just the small handful of popular shows. Meanwhile while it's less common find a girl who watches anime, those that do tend to be in it pretty good or have seen a small handful of less well-known shows. I've got nothing factual to back this though just my own experiences, so feel free to chip in with your own observations . |
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NeoAnkara said: Isn't most of old anime shoujo? I mean this is an example. https://myanimelist.net/anime/2800/Candy_Candy No, not really. If you look at that season's lineup, you'll see a lot of mecha, a sports shounen, and a number of action and slice-of-life shows. But when I started my anime career about 15 yeas ago, it was a shoujo anime (Cardcaptor Sakura) that caught my interest. So it is not unreasonable to expect female anime fans of any age and level of experience. JustALEX said: Excluding Fujoshis...how many are in it just because it's becoming more and more mainstream? "Mainstream" means "popular". And "popular" means "a lot of people are into it". Hence, most anime fans are in it because it's becoming more and more mainstream. I would not have known about anime if it wasn't shown on TV and caught my interest. Very few anime fans are people who studied Japan and took anime as part of these studies. For everybody else, it's all about popularity escalation. Yes, there are probably some anime watchers who are only in it because their SO is an anime fan. I expect most of them to become fans on their own in time. |
zombie_pegasus said: Anime is for guys? Really? Shoujo is the most common manga demographic by far and is far more popular in Japan than anime is. If anything it's guys who are along for the ride. Hmmm, really you think so? I wonder about both of that. After all I'm male and the king of all shonen. U might wanna take a look: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga |
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shonenking said: Well, sure, the most popular manga do happen to all be shounen, seinen, or kodomomuke, but there are also around 2x as many shoujo manga titles than shounen ones so it could be possible that girls just have more varied taste than guys. In terms of issue and volume count I can't be certain which one is more popular, but neither of our facts are incorrect. There are also a lot of guys who read mahou shoujo and a lot of girls who read sports and action shounen so that also needs to be factored in.zombie_pegasus said: Anime is for guys? Really? Shoujo is the most common manga demographic by far and is far more popular in Japan than anime is. If anything it's guys who are along for the ride. Hmmm, really you think so? I wonder about both of that. After all I'm male and the king of all shonen. U might wanna take a look: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga |
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zombie_pegasus said: shonenking said: Well, sure, the most popular manga do happen to all be shounen, seinen, or kodomomuke, but there are also around 2x as many shoujo manga titles than shounen ones so it could be possible that girls just have more varied taste than guys. In terms of issue and volume count I can't be certain which one is more popular, but neither of our facts are incorrect. There are also a lot of guys who read mahou shoujo and a lot of girls who read sports and action shounen so that also needs to be factored in.Hmmm, really you think so? I wonder about both of that. After all I'm male and the king of all shonen. U might wanna take a look: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga Are you sure? Did you scroll down? It is a list of the 100 most selling mangas. I scrolled down and counted the combined sales of all listed shojo manga and it adds up to 473 million. I trusted the tags and maybe I missed one or made a mistake adding it up, not that it would change much, all of the shojo manga COMBINED from the list barely managed to overtake One Piece by ITSELF. And the majority of the WHOLE top 100 list consists of shonen manga. I don't have a clue how much shojo manga compared to shonen manga there are in total, but apparently none of them sold more than 20 million. Meaning you would need AT LEAST 23 different shojo series COMBINED to overtake only rank 2 and 3 in sales. And realisticly speaking it's probably more than 30 shojo manga, because I made the math with every titel being worth 20 million, but according to the statstic the all have to be less then 20 million. lady_freyja said: You are looking at the sales for each separate title. But there is far far far much more shōjo series than shōnen series. So of course the shōjo sells are globally lower, because there is far more choice available. I dunno which one is the "most popular" between the two. But clearly, just looking at the top sell chart is useless because we're not comparing the same thing in proportion, at all. Yeah the statistic state each individual title , but if you add them up they will account for the whole. If you do the math it is highly highly unlikely that all shojo sales combined come even close to all shonen sales combined. If you're telling me there are 500+ shojo manga that sold between 5 million - 10 million times and not even 100 shonen manga in that section then that's that. I don't have knowledge about that, but it seems implausible to me. |
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| TIL I learned that anime is originally a guys hobby and girls who enjoy it are probably posers. Thank you JustALEX for your always informative threads and opening posts. Really, what would the forum become without you. |
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| I've noticed a lot more people are trying anime now that it's become more of a "thing" in the West...I mean, everyone and their dog has at least heard of stuff like Attack on Titan and Tokyo Ghoul by now. I'm a girl and I kind of get what you're talking about op. Back when I was in high school there were tons of guys talking about series like Naruto & Bleach, but there were next to no girls who even knew what anime was, or if they did, they thought of it negatively. Now that it's becoming more of a norm where I'm from, people are jumping on the bandwagon and girls especially, see it as being "cool" to be into anime. It's weird because I feel like when it comes to hobbies, guys just tend to get on with it and do what they want, but so many girls are obsessed with how it's percieved by others. Or that's the experience I've had anyway. It's hardly surprising though. With how technology is advancing, the uprising of geeks was bound to happen sooner or later. Nowadays it's weirder to go for a nice walk than it is to jizz over your gaming console or weekly anime. Locking youself in your room with a laptop and collecting figures of fictional characters is cool now. |
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| On general, women tend to be more agreeable and less likely than men to be an outcast, since social exclusion is proven to be a biger deal to females than to males. Thus, it does have a logical sense to suggest more women would appear now, after it being more socially acceptable. So is not like women didn't watched anime before, they're just being more outspoken about it. And of course, being more outspoken end up bringing more women, and also the kind of women who see the anime comunity a virgin heaven to whore around and get easy likes on their sexy cosplay pics at whorebook. I'm not complaining though because I'm just here for the tits, and all anime is trash. |
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| @shonenking I think it might be important to mention that there was a statistic that around 50% of Naruto readers are female. Naruto itself has barely over half the sales of One Piece, but it's still quite a few people and it might say something about the other titles on the list as well. Around half of the manga industry is doujinshi and I know a decent chunk of that is yaoi which is made for females. |
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| BTW....just so people don't get the wrong idea.... I DON'T think anime should be a "Boys club" or any such thing... But I do wonder how many of them really care and how many have simply jumped the "Bandwagon".... Because there is NO DOUBT that in Video games, Comic Books, and other "Nerdy" things....girls have jumped the bandwagon. Some of them are Shamelessly using it to get money and others just want attention. Again...I do NOT think this is the norm for anime female fans....but I'm just wondering/posing the question. |
JustALEX said: all of them care :^)^)But I do wonder how many of them really care and how many have simply jumped the "Bandwagon".... until proven otherwise theres more girls anime than girls games or smth like that |
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JustALEX said: BTW....just so people don't get the wrong idea.... I DON'T think anime should be a "Boys club" or any such thing... But I do wonder how many of them really care and how many have simply jumped the "Bandwagon".... Because there is NO DOUBT that in Video games, Comic Books, and other "Nerdy" things....girls have jumped the bandwagon. Some of them are Shamelessly using it to get money and others just want attention. Again...I do NOT think this is the norm for anime female fans....but I'm just wondering/posing the question. This is something that really piss me off, just because im girl people assume that im just a poser, and everytime a guy has to ask me "or so you like videogames? name 3 of hideo kojima" or smth like that and im like why do i have to pass an exam everytime just because im a girl? Pretty sure there's a bunch of guys who jumped the bandwagon when they watched SAO, and im pretty sure theres a lot of girls who knows more about anime than these guys. just please, end the freaking stereotypes already. |
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JustALEX said: Lots of boys jumped the bandwagon as well and make content just for the money, they just have different ways to attract viewers and for girls sex appeal is the easiest. BTW....just so people don't get the wrong idea.... I DON'T think anime should be a "Boys club" or any such thing... But I do wonder how many of them really care and how many have simply jumped the "Bandwagon".... Because there is NO DOUBT that in Video games, Comic Books, and other "Nerdy" things....girls have jumped the bandwagon. Some of them are Shamelessly using it to get money and others just want attention. Again...I do NOT think this is the norm for anime female fans....but I'm just wondering/posing the question. Do you want to tell me that Chibi reviews is a genuine reviewer and stuff? (just picking the easiest example that came in mind) Since I went the youtube route what would I do without linking a video I saw recently about girls, comics and the exclusivity males have for comics |
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JustALEX said: BTW....just so people don't get the wrong idea.... I DON'T think anime should be a "Boys club" or any such thing... But I do wonder how many of them really care and how many have simply jumped the "Bandwagon".... Because there is NO DOUBT that in Video games, Comic Books, and other "Nerdy" things....girls have jumped the bandwagon. Some of them are Shamelessly using it to get money and others just want attention. Again...I do NOT think this is the norm for anime female fans....but I'm just wondering/posing the question. you're absolutely right. ya caught me. every weekend i stream myself watching anime in skimpy clothing for $$$. who needs a sugar daddy when they can be a camwhore, amirite ?? college tuition and rent is only getting more expensive!! gotta make ends meet, ladies! |
badwolf45f said: JustALEX said: BTW....just so people don't get the wrong idea.... I DON'T think anime should be a "Boys club" or any such thing... But I do wonder how many of them really care and how many have simply jumped the "Bandwagon".... Because there is NO DOUBT that in Video games, Comic Books, and other "Nerdy" things....girls have jumped the bandwagon. Some of them are Shamelessly using it to get money and others just want attention. Again...I do NOT think this is the norm for anime female fans....but I'm just wondering/posing the question. This is something that really piss me off, just because im girl people assume that im just a poser, and everytime a guy has to ask me "or so you like videogames? name 3 of hideo kojima" or smth like that and im like why do i have to pass an exam everytime just because im a girl? Pretty sure there's a bunch of guys who jumped the bandwagon when they watched SAO, and im pretty sure theres a lot of girls who knows more about anime than these guys. just please, end the freaking stereotypes already. I'm pretty sure you ARE right that many guys also jumped the bandwagon. This is how anime is becoming more mainstream. BTW...I'm only asking simple questions and I'm not necessarily accusing anyone. Stereotypes will NEVER go away. At least the girl Stereotypes are not that bad....some people think female fans are "fake"...OK. MORE people think us male fans are losers, lonely, virgins, anti-social, etc. Which do you think is the worse Stereotype? |
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