Why are people hyped for Kingdom Hearts 3?

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PeenusWeenusCaim said:
The whole appeal of Kingdom Hearts was how it was a crossover between Disney x Final Fantasy

Not even the end of your first sentence and you're already wrong. The games have NEVER been about being Disney x Final Fantasy. The Final Fantasy characters only exist in the series at all because Nomura felt there needed to be some SE characters people were familiar with. But as time has passed, he wanted to phase out the importance of FF characters to help give Kingdom Hearts its own identity. He wants people to remember characters like Sora and Aqua in the same way people do Tidus and Cloud.

PeenusWeenusCaim said:

Its combat is more brain dead than Dynasty Warriors.

Also wrong, and my explanation as to how you're wrong will also be an answer to your question about why people are hyped for Kingdom Hearts III.

Kingdom Hearts at its best from a gameplay standpoint is Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix with the difficulty setting set to Critical Mode for proper balancing. KH II FM is an extremely well balanced game, being made in such a way where, despite being an RPG, you can play from beginning to end at LV 1. No leveling up is necessary and surprisingly, enemies do not become damage sponges because of this. No enemy in the game takes very long to kill, thus making the game extremely well balanced as an RPG. And beyond this, as is necessary in any game like this, every death you receive is entirely your fault. There is very little RNG in KH II FM. The game requires you to simply learn its mechanics and learn when to use what mechanics at each fight. Learn enemy attack patterns. Learn when to dodge and when to block. Learn when to use summons and when to use limits. Learn when to use magic (and what magic at that) and when to use drive forms. Even changing the abilities you have equipped as you progress is important since different abilities can make bosses easier or harder to defeat. Many people might think its as simple as just equipping every good ability you can until AP runs out, but in truth sometimes some seemingly helpful abilities may not be best to use under certain boss fights. This is where the game's RPGness comes out and shines. And yet alongside this, the game is fantastic as an action game. Beyond everything I said thus far, KHII FM has extremely fast paced combat and gives the player a heavy amount of maneuverability. You have so much freedom as a player to move around and can do so quickly, and your attacks are fast, allowing quick succession of attacks and allowing enemies to come at you more aggressively (see Larxene Data Battle for an example of this at its strongest). Enemies and bosses are extremely varied too, and your attacks grow and change significantly as you progress through the game, giving a sense of growth and progression. You also can't spam the attack button either, as beyond the difficulty set by critical mode, the game also gives the enemies something called "revenge values", which means that if you attack an enemy for two long while they are stunned, they'll eventually strike back, thus forcing the player to do more than just spam the attack button. Also you know all those tools the game gives you in combat? Not only are they all useful, but they all have their time and place to be used. Not one thing given to the player is something the player shouldn't utilize. Surrounded by large numbers of heartless really close by? Use a fire attack. Need to do some long range attacks and stay away from the enemy? Switch to Wisdom form. And so on.

Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix is quite simply, one of the best if not the best action RPG ever made, and all these traits of its make it this.

Kingdom Hearts since II FM has not had a proper numbered title in over 10 years. KHIII is soon to come and people are excited since this will be the biggest and most advanced KH game since KHII FM, and with such a high standard set by KH II FM, people are excited to see a new numbered title try and trump it.

I'd argue that other titles in the series are good, but II FM was the one that really made the series stand out so strong. Its an incredibly well made action rpg, incomparable to almost anything that exists. Even Nier Automata is much more shallow and not as well balanced gameplay wise than KH II FM, and that game's gameplay was pretty solid.

Anyways, in addition to all this, if you want further understanding of the game's mechanics and don't entirely believe me, try watching these videos:

They both go a great deal into explaining KH's mechanics and why they're important to KHII FM as a game that makes the series stand out so well. Yes they're long,
but they're well worth it for the information they present.

PeenusWeenusCaim said:

The music also sucks.

WRONG
But alas, my knowledge of music is poor, so I cannot refute this beyond just subjectively thinking you're nuts. I only own 3 imported game soundtracks however, and two of those three are Kingdom Hearts. How can you call these bad though?

PeenusWeenusCaim said:

The story is incredibly bad and yet the game spends an inordinate amount of time focusing on it.

The plot of the overarching series is extremely stupid but its so stupid its fun. Its ridiculous to the point of absurdity, and yet its because of that that people want to see just how far down the rabbit hole the story goes. DDD introduced time travel. The show must go on!

....Also BBS and Chain of Memories both had really solid stories, with Chain of Memories arguably having the best writing in the entire series, as every single world and story event that took place in the game related to the concept of memories. Also due to the way the story is presented, the player is put in the shoes of Sora, allowing the player to feel what he feels, as the player is given every reason to believe that the memories Sora learns as he climbs the castle are legitimate. The player is just as confused as Sora, which is perfect in invoking a sense of tragedy as Sora also loses his memories.

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Apr 15, 2017 11:13 PM

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I never got the appeal of Kingdom Hearts myself. I tried playing 1 and 2 but couldn't get into them. Really hope 3 turns my opinion around on the series.

Apr 16, 2017 12:02 AM

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I was thirteen when I played the first KH and enjoyed it enough to play the second when it came out. Perhaps i'll not like the third game as I'm no longer a young teen, but I'm at least hyped to see what the game has in store for long time fans after such a long wait.

Bölvat es okkr, bróðir,
bani em ek þinn orðinn;
þat mun æ uppi;
illr er dómr norna.
-Hlöðskviða
(The Battle of the Goths and Huns)

Apr 16, 2017 12:02 AM

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-ho boy this topic.

--boiiii you better believe my hype for the release

Apr 16, 2017 12:19 AM

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"I don't like these games so why do others like them?"

In all seriousness, we all have our own respective soft spots for some games/franchises, they don't need to be the best games ever mechanically.As long as we have some exceptionally pleasant memories attached to it (even if those are from the times we were very young), we're gonna be excited for subsequent releases in the series in question.

I like the DW series for example, and while I've really grown to hate KoeiTecmo, I'm still excited whenever I hear that a new installment is coming out because I had a blast with some of the earlier games when I was small.

Apr 16, 2017 10:03 AM

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Nostalgia, I guess. KH1 was okay for its time and, even though I never liked it, it still brings back a lot of fond memories. KH2's prologue on the other hand is one of the worst (if not the worst) intros to a video game I've seen and it always discouraged me from giving the game a shot, even though many fans swear that it's a considerable upgrade from the original.

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Apr 16, 2017 10:18 AM

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I don't understand why they couldn't keep the games on 1 or 2 systems instead of spreading them out everywhere.

Apr 16, 2017 2:14 PM

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But it's the only game where i can fight alongside my favourite Disney character, Donald.

Apr 16, 2017 5:21 PM

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Hargad said:
I don't understand why they couldn't keep the games on 1 or 2 systems instead of spreading them out everywhere.

because these days video games are usually made in order to make money. to add to this, I don't like how the PS4 doesn't have backwards compatibility.

Apr 16, 2017 5:34 PM

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The only reason why I'm excited for KH is for nostalgia I guess. I guess the gameplay mechanics won't be as appealing to me as it was when I was little, bust as long as it has the same charm the previous games had, I'll be satisfied.

Apr 16, 2017 6:36 PM

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The hype for me is all gone, its taking way too long to come out and I have a bad feeling of when it does fans will still be disappointed.

Apr 16, 2017 7:50 PM

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Not even the end of your first sentence and you're already wrong. The games have NEVER been about being Disney x Final Fantasy.

"This game that was pitched as a Final Fantasy x Disney crossover, features Disney and Final Fantasy characters, and is only famous for being a Disney x Final Fantasy crossover, has never been about being a Disney x Final Fantasy crossover"

The Final Fantasy characters only exist in the series at all because Nomura felt there needed to be some SE characters people were familiar with. But as time has passed, he wanted to phase out the importance of FF characters to help give Kingdom Hearts its own identity. He wants people to remember characters like Sora and Aqua in the same way people do Tidus and Cloud.

Well that explains why the series and characters are getting worse with each iteration.

Also wrong, and my explanation as to how you're wrong will also be an answer to your question about why people are hyped for Kingdom Hearts III.

Kingdom Hearts at its best from a gameplay standpoint is Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix with the difficulty setting set to Critical Mode for proper balancing. KH II FM is an extremely well balanced game, being made in such a way where, despite being an RPG, you can play from beginning to end at LV 1. No leveling up is necessary and surprisingly, enemies do not become damage sponges because of this. No enemy in the game takes very long to kill, thus making the game extremely well balanced as an RPG. And beyond this, as is necessary in any game like this, every death you receive is entirely your fault. There is very little RNG in KH II FM. The game requires you to simply learn its mechanics and learn when to use what mechanics at each fight. Learn enemy attack patterns. Learn when to dodge and when to block. Learn when to use summons and when to use limits. Learn when to use magic (and what magic at that) and when to use drive forms. Even changing the abilities you have equipped as you progress is important since different abilities can make bosses easier or harder to defeat. Many people might think its as simple as just equipping every good ability you can until AP runs out, but in truth sometimes some seemingly helpful abilities may not be best to use under certain boss fights. This is where the game's RPGness comes out and shines. And yet alongside this, the game is fantastic as an action game. Beyond everything I said thus far, KHII FM has extremely fast paced combat and gives the player a heavy amount of maneuverability. You have so much freedom as a player to move around and can do so quickly, and your attacks are fast, allowing quick succession of attacks and allowing enemies to come at you more aggressively (see Larxene Data Battle for an example of this at its strongest). Enemies and bosses are extremely varied too, and your attacks grow and change significantly as you progress through the game, giving a sense of growth and progression. You also can't spam the attack button either, as beyond the difficulty set by critical mode, the game also gives the enemies something called "revenge values", which means that if you attack an enemy for two long while they are stunned, they'll eventually strike back, thus forcing the player to do more than just spam the attack button. Also you know all those tools the game gives you in combat? Not only are they all useful, but they all have their time and place to be used. Not one thing given to the player is something the player shouldn't utilize. Surrounded by large numbers of heartless really close by? Use a fire attack. Need to do some long range attacks and stay away from the enemy? Switch to Wisdom form. And so on.

Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix is quite simply, one of the best if not the best action RPG ever made, and all these traits of its make it this.

Kingdom Hearts since II FM has not had a proper numbered title in over 10 years. KHIII is soon to come and people are excited since this will be the biggest and most advanced KH game since KHII FM, and with such a high standard set by KH II FM, people are excited to see a new numbered title try and trump it.

I'd argue that other titles in the series are good, but II FM was the one that really made the series stand out so strong. Its an incredibly well made action rpg, incomparable to almost anything that exists. Even Nier Automata is much more shallow and not as well balanced gameplay wise than KH II FM, and that game's gameplay was pretty solid.

Anyways, in addition to all this, if you want further understanding of the game's mechanics and don't entirely believe me, try watching these videos:

They both go a great deal into explaining KH's mechanics and why they're important to KHII FM as a game that makes the series stand out so well. Yes they're long,
but they're well worth it for the information they present.

So KH2 FM is suddenly the best arpg in existence because you end up having to use basic arpg elements like blocking now?
That's not how it works. Changing several stats doesn't suddenly make a game like this the best arpg in existence. The gameplay of KH2 FM is still heavily flawed for various reasons like having no penalty for spamming the designated reaction command button, having level design that sucks more than Kingdom Hearts 1, shitty heartless bosses, broken drive forms, and op magic.

The plot of the overarching series is extremely stupid but its so stupid its fun. Its ridiculous to the point of absurdity, and yet its because of that that people want to see just how far down the rabbit hole the story goes. DDD introduced time travel. The show must go on!

Long-winded cutscenes about Disney characters talking about light and darkness is not fun even at its most stupid. Do you want to know something that is stupid AND fun? It’s something like this.

And this

And this

....Also BBS and Chain of Memories both had really solid stories, with Chain of Memories arguably having the best writing in the entire series, as every single world and story event that took place in the game related to the concept of memories. Also due to the way the story is presented, the player is put in the shoes of Sora, allowing the player to feel what he feels, as the player is given every reason to believe that the memories Sora learns as he climbs the castle are legitimate. The player is just as confused as Sora, which is perfect in invoking a sense of tragedy as Sora also loses his memories.

A kingdom hearts title having better writing than another kingdom hearts title doesn’t mean the former has good writing. It’s just better than another kingdom hearts title.

Apr 16, 2017 7:50 PM

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I don't own any Playstation consoles and don't plan to emulate the older games on PC so I could care less but:

PeenusWeenusCaim said:
The music also sucks.

You must have shit taste in music if Yoko Shimomura's music doesn't appeal you. I have only heard the TWEWY soundtracks of that franchise but they are absolutely ecstatic.

I mean leave KH aside, have you heard her works in Mario and Luigi RPGs? May I remind you this utter fantastic piece of soundtrack which the DS speakers never did any justice?

Apr 16, 2017 8:33 PM

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huh, I thought I was the only one here who thought the KH series is trash. I can't stand Disneyshit, and the fact that it butchers the Final Fantasy characters it borrows makes it feel like a shitty series through and through. Why the fuck would I want to spend my time playing subpar fanfiction?

muh disney
muh self-insert protagonist
muh pretentious plot and characters
muh lolsoweird worlds
muh press one button to win bosses
muh gooby and dolan
muh babbies first ship

it's fucking trash

p.s. Not even Shimomura can save the series from being garbage.

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Apr 16, 2017 8:43 PM

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Syrup- said:
huh, I thought I was the only one here who thought the KH series is trash. I can't stand Disneyshit, and the fact that it butchers the Final Fantasy characters it borrows makes it feel like a shitty series through and through. Why the fuck would I want to spend my time playing subpar fanfiction?

At least Squall has more personality in KH than in FF8.

John_2001 said:
I don't own any Playstation consoles and don't plan to emulate the older games on PC so I could care less but:

PeenusWeenusCaim said:
The music also sucks.

You must have shit taste in music if Yoko Shimomura's music doesn't appeal you. I have only heard the TWEWY soundtracks of that franchise but they are absolutely ecstatic.

I like Yoko Shimomura. She just did an awful job in Kingdom Hearts though.

All better examples.

Apr 16, 2017 8:45 PM

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I liked KH1 and KH2. I didn't like the rest. It stopped making sense even in the end of game 1, max game 2. I am not even hyped for KH3.

There's no inherent right or wrong in this universe, but when we think with emotions rather than logic, we make things so.

Apr 16, 2017 8:49 PM

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PeenusWeenusCaim said:

Syrup- said:
huh, I thought I was the only one here who thought the KH series is trash. I can't stand Disneyshit, and the fact that it butchers the Final Fantasy characters it borrows makes it feel like a shitty series through and through. Why the fuck would I want to spend my time playing subpar fanfiction?

At least Squall has more personality in KH than in FF8.

John_2001 said:
I don't own any Playstation consoles and don't plan to emulate the older games on PC so I could care less but:

You must have shit taste in music if Yoko Shimomura's music doesn't appeal you. I have only heard the TWEWY soundtracks of that franchise but they are absolutely ecstatic.

I like Yoko Shimomura. She just did an awful job in Kingdom Hearts though

why the fuck does her music sound so soulless in the Kingdom Hearts series? It's seriously lacking something, and I think it's probably because she's being forced to work within Disney's established melodies.

Also I think you're forgetting all the actual development Squall has to his personality in FF8. I know it's not as strong as Zidane's or Tidus' development, but it's still there. Squall is a wet mop in KH. Complete cardboard.

Apr 16, 2017 8:53 PM

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Syrup- said:
Also I think you're forgetting all the actual development Squall has to his personality in FF8. I know it's not as strong as Zidane's or Tidus' development, but it's still there. Squall is a wet mop in KH. Complete cardboard.

...whatever. Whatever.

Apr 16, 2017 8:56 PM

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PeenusWeenusCaim said:

Syrup- said:
Also I think you're forgetting all the actual development Squall has to his personality in FF8. I know it's not as strong as Zidane's or Tidus' development, but it's still there. Squall is a wet mop in KH. Complete cardboard.

...whatever. Whatever.

That's just the shit-tier translation at work. I honestly suggest you go through it again some time and put aside your bias. He has some pretty strong development, especially towards the end. Much more than Cloud.

Apr 16, 2017 9:05 PM

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Wait... WHAT??? If there are 2 aspects that KH totally nails is his main gameplay (Main as KH and KH2) and his overrall amazing soundtrack.

The story is hit and miss good titles like KH2, BBS and Chain of Memories, middle titles as KH, 0.2 BBS and 358/2 Days and utterly trainwreck material like 3D, Recoded or the X Series.

The hype is so strong beacuse is the end of an era, is like the final Lord of The Rings or the last Harry Potter movie. Yeah, sure there are spinoffs and somewhat continuations but it will never be as strong as the main saga, the Xehanort saga.

Apr 16, 2017 11:26 PM

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Don't take my ignoring of other posts as a non answer. I'm just feeling lazy right now, so I'm just going to stick with this for now and come back later to reply to the rest:

PeenusWeenusCaim said:
I like Yoko Shimomura. She just did an awful job in Kingdom Hearts though.
[FFXV music]
All better examples.

>unironically using FFXV's OST as an example of Shimomura music that's better than KH's
HOW DO YOU LIKE SKYRIM FAM????
https://youtu.be/mddVVnnNung?t=53s

Also the best non KH Shimomura works are Live A Live and Parasite Eve.

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Apr 17, 2017 5:34 PM

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Battlechili said:
Don't take my ignoring of other posts as a non answer. I'm just feeling lazy right now, so I'm just going to stick with this for now and come back later to reply to the rest:

PeenusWeenusCaim said:
I like Yoko Shimomura. She just did an awful job in Kingdom Hearts though.
[FFXV music]
All better examples.

>unironically using FFXV's OST as an example of Shimomura music that's better than KH's
HOW DO YOU LIKE SKYRIM FAM????
https://youtu.be/mddVVnnNung?t=53s

Also the best non KH Shimomura works are Live A Live and Parasite Eve.

You browse /v/ too much.

Valse di fantastica is better than any of her works in KH except Dearly Beloved.

Legend of Mana is also her magnum opus.

Apr 17, 2017 8:06 PM

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Syrup- said:

PeenusWeenusCaim said:

...whatever. Whatever.

That's just the shit-tier translation at work. I honestly suggest you go through it again some time and put aside your bias. He has some pretty strong development, especially towards the end. Much more than Cloud.

Honestly if it got a remake to change up the combat system I would have no problem replaying it...but until then I'll pass.

Apr 17, 2017 9:49 PM

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PeenusWeenusCaim said:

Battlechili said:
Don't take my ignoring of other posts as a non answer. I'm just feeling lazy right now, so I'm just going to stick with this for now and come back later to reply to the rest:

>unironically using FFXV's OST as an example of Shimomura music that's better than KH's
HOW DO YOU LIKE SKYRIM FAM????
https://youtu.be/mddVVnnNung?t=53s

Also the best non KH Shimomura works are Live A Live and Parasite Eve.

You browse /v/ too much.

Valse di fantastica is better than any of her works in KH except Dearly Beloved.

Legend of Mana is also her magnum opus.

No joke. She even said it's her favourite OST. This was back in 2002, after creating the one for Kingdom Hearts.
https://web.archive.org/web/20021205101437/http://www.rocketbaby.net/interviews_yoko_shimomura.shtml

btfooooooo

Apr 18, 2017 8:21 PM

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First one came out when I was six and I really liked it then played the second one and it was still ok. Last year I played the remasters on Ps3 and I barely made it through the first and didn't even get close to beating the second I guess I just grew up and it lacks appeal to me now, and the endless wait for Kh3 probably made me not care but playing the remaster made me start to think that they aren't as good as I once thought. And now I realize it has some of the worst platforming ever.

Apr 18, 2017 9:04 PM

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Cuzzi said:
And now I realize it has some of the worst platforming ever.

So true. But I can forgive them because Cavern of Remembrance is one of the best plataforming sections I can remember.

Apr 18, 2017 9:05 PM

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Watching my brother play Kingdom Hearts every day is one of my earliest memories. I played them myself years later when I was old enough to understand games. I played some of the handheld titles like birth by sleep and 358/2 days, but eventually stopped caring since there weren't any new big releases. Time flew, years passed, life trudged on.

Still no Kingdom Hearts 3, f e e l s b a d m a n.

Apr 20, 2017 4:31 AM

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Shitposting and memeposting aside (KH music bad, really?), Kingdom Hearts I&II and Birth by Sleep are very good games.

Great music, enjoyable and satisfying gameplay, charismatic characters, unrivaled fantasy atmosphere... Story is simplistic and beyond retarded though, but is so bad is good, in a way it went full circle.

Not really interested in any other game besides those main ones (BbS > KHI > CoM > KHII > DDD > KH2.8 > KH3) so the pointless spinoffs don't bother me at all.

Favorite track has to be Vector to the Heavens BTW. Absolutely fantastic.

Apr 24, 2017 1:10 PM

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pfft! Elitist! gotta say how trash elitists are.

Apr 24, 2017 1:41 PM

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I waited over 10 years, of course I am hyped, it is my choldhood after all

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