SpamuraiSensei said: It already cost them 1 bil $ in stock. Between the leggings incident and now this guy, I can safely say I'll never be flying with that airline. What they should have done is increase the incentives to voluntarily leave the plane. Offer up 2-3k and watch how many people willingly give up their seats. Instead of doing that.. Now they're faced with lots of bad press and a lawsuit that's going to cost them thousands and thousands of dollars. |
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| United is losing money as we speak, GOOD.. Serves them right. i hope he sues them |
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| If he wa actually a doctor with patients to see, couldn't they have confirmed it and choose someone else with lesser priorities? |
Dao agreed to get off the plane, passenger Jayse Anspach said. "Him and his wife, they volunteered initially," Anspach said. "But once they found out that the next flight wasn't until (Monday) at 2:30 p.m., he said, 'I can't do that. I gotta be at work.' So he sat back down." The harder the officers tried to get the man to leave, the harder the man insisted he stay. "He was very emphatic: 'I can't be late. I'm a doctor. I've got to be there tomorrow,' " Anspach recalled. http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/12/travel/united-passenger-pulled-off-flight/ what we know: Dao initially accepted taking another flight, but upon hearing he would have to wait until 2h30pm the next day, he refused, saying that he was a doctor and had an appointment he couldn't miss. (source above, as well as http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/travel/questions-united-trnd/) CEO Oscar Munoz accused Dao of being "unruly" and "belligerent" http://www.independentsentinel.com/united-ceo-says-passenger-dragged-off-plane-unruly-belligerent/ Dao was falsely accused by Courier Journal (executive editor Joel Christopher) of having a history of drug crimes (they got the wrong guy who coincidentally was also named Dao). other news copy and pasted the story without bothering to fact-check as usual. (https://twitter.com/_ClaireConnelly/status/852036052286033921) Dao suffered bodily injured and had to go to a local hospital to recover (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-united-passenger-20170411-story.html) UA offered $800, even though they could, and should, have offered far more for customers to leave "voluntarily" (it's capped at $1350, so even the law isn't in UA's side) (http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/travel/questions-united-trnd/) a doctor earns an average of $80/hour or more (http://work.chron.com/average-doctor-paid-per-hour-3154.html) the $800 UA offered was literally peanuts. volunteer means “someone who does something without being forced to do it.” - Merriam-Webster https://twitter.com/MerriamWebster/status/851602942037819392 |
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| He is a grown ass man and refused to leave the plane when asked repeatedly then when TOLD to by law enforcement. Were they suppose to delay the flight and wait for a negotiator to talk the man into leaving? No. You leave when asked, if you don't then you are moved by force. Plain and simple. People want to act like United and airport police ganged up on him and beat him with bats and shot him - which they didn't. He has my sympathy for missing a flight but that's it. |
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| edit: above post is proof people don't bother to read beyond OP. _xDane_ said: Poor doctor, now even his past scandals are getting dragged up because of this issue. I'm not sure why they're even mentioning the drugs and sexual assault cases he had, it's not even remotely related to the current news. they got the wrong Dao, he's not the same Dao involved in drugs and sexual assault. |
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| That was so cruel ..i hope the man sues the company and win... the company deserves it ...it literally treat customers like shit |
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| AS the cold hearted jackass republican I am.... don't overbook planes then bitch when they fill lol. United stock is dropping exponentially. Goodbye |
twitter strikes again https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/united-airlines-twitter-users-posts-removed-flight-3411-incident-disappeared-deleted-a7678426.html https://thenextweb.com/twitter/2017/04/11/twitter-delete-united-airlines-tweets/ they're apparently deleting negative tweets against United. i'm sure there's a good rea$$$on for that though. edit: http://claireconnelly.com.au/hello-humans/united-will-rough-you-up-before-it-pays-for-its-mistakes/ see update III |
DreamingBeatsApr 12, 2017 10:20 AM
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Aureolus said: @DreamingBeats That website is clearly biased, he wasn't racially profiled as they say, and they only say they may have had a mistake in identity; they also say the two doctors could in fact be the same person. Dao's personal history is irrelevant, but if it turns out to be false (and the lawyers would most certainly be able to prove if that's the case), Dao could also sue the responsible parties for defamation. of course, only Dao's families and their lawyers would be able to prove beyond doubt if they're the same or not. >they only say they may have had a mistake in identity; they also say the two doctors could in fact be the same person. in other words, "we are not completely sure if the information we obtained is accurate and correct, but who care, we're going to defame the chocolate out of him." |
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| aureolus being one of those blame the victim type of people what a surprise >quality journalism  |
| Lol @ the people actually defending this |
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| Man does this just get worse and worse? Next we're going to find out he's actually a heart surgeon or some shit and that 5 patients died waiting for him. |
| This story has become memetastic. For some reason |
JustALEX said: hoopla123 said: I've probably flied more times than you have, hell even more United than you have so let me explain this to you. The Airline fucking overbooked themselves and then decided to bash a fucking customer's head in to remove him from the fucking airplane when they decided to implement a shitty strategy that all airlines partake in for profit. And this is on the passenger? Do you even read the shit you post lmao. And do you see me blaming the employees and saying that they should be sued individually? And I already said in my previous post that the guy should have just followed the law enforcement, but to blame it on the fucking passenger is a complete joke. As a matter of fact, the airline should have just kept raising the fucking money that they were offering people to leave and someone else would have left voluntarily. Instead they decided to bash a guy's head in, make him bleed from his ears and mouth and drag his body across the aisle like a bunch of savages. When a cop tells you you gotta leave the plane, even if it's 100% unjustified....how good do you think things are gonna go if you continue to resist, hold up the plane *Breaking FAA rules BTW*?! Look, I'm NOT saying the airliner is not at fault at all....clearly they SHOULDN'T overbook....but they do....they do it ALL the time! At least 50% of the flights I've been to....I've heard them make the announcement that they need volunteers to give up their seats....almost always I see someone take them up on the offer because they usually offer cash or a free flight or something! So let's start over and let's go point by point... Point #1 The Airliner should not Overbook....we both agree. Point #2 If no one volunteers the airliner has no choice but to pick someone at random.....I don't like this rule, but what other choice is there? Point #3 Once the Person is chosen, that person must comply with the airliner and can NOT hold up the plane....again, this breaks FAA rules....the FAA is very strict with this stuff.... Point #4 If you have a plane that has to take off, however a passenger on said plane refuses to leave once he has been chosen.....what other option but to call the authorities can you do?! Last Point The authorities are here....they have asked you to remove yourself from the plane, you continue to resist.....I mean, what exactly was he thinking? That the authorities were going to have a debate about this....on a plane that is ready to takeoff?! A sensible person removes himself and THEN files the complaint....sues the company, etc. etc. MY beef with the guy is that he resisted....when there was no need to do so....you're not going to win against the cops, no one does, not in America. Oh one last thing....Yeah, I guess the Airline should've raised the money a bit more.... The Airliner should definitely STOP overbooking....I can't agree with that any more than I already have....it should definitely be against the rules. Oh you can win against the cops....especially in america! Physically no...and even if you could it would just make things worse. However you can definitely win in a battle of wits. Cops are dumb...especially american cops. I have intellectually whipped the shit out of many cops. I even beat a detective once...and they don't just let any cop become a detective. With that said you have a point. I don't blame the guy for getting beaten...as violence isn't ok just because its a cop doing it. However it was a dumb move. The winning move would be to record them telling you to leave on your smart phone...leaving peacefully then sue the shit out of them. Oh, and don't take their bribe either...as it would hurt your case. Refuse the bribe...record the event...leave peacefully...then sue the fuck outta them. You win, and you don't get your teeth kicked it...its the best move. |
| on a more positive news, they reportedly refunded the tickets for all passengers on the flight. https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/04/12/united-refund-fares-all-flight-3411-passengers/100384450/ if they simply apologized first thing and didn't blame the passenger, they wouldn't have been in such a mess. i mean, they wouldn't have made the situation worse like they did. |
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| I'm not even surprised anymore at how some of you are actually defending the airline. |
 Ｓｗｅｅｔ♥I guess, as long as I have life, all I can do is fight with all my might. |
| That $800 is voucher, NOT cash. You probably can't use it except for buying their tickets again. But you should always be grateful! |
bottle said: That $800 is voucher, NOT cash. You probably can't use it except for buying their tickets again. But you should always be grateful! Actually legally they have to offer cash if you ask for it. http://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2014-09-04/bumped-due-to-overbooking-airlines-owe-you-money-not-vouchers |
| The dude posed no physical threat whatsoever, so there's no real excuse for resorting to violence in this case.I was sure that members of the human race were at least intelligent enough to have just a glimmer of rational thinking stuck in their brains but it seems I was wrong. Doesn't matter what the dude's line of work is or whatever, that's not the point, that is not how you handle a situation like that unless you're mentally inferior to an orangutan with half a brain.I don't get why people are trying to defend those people, this is bordering wanton violence pretty much. |
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| His lawyer says he is probably going to sue http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ual-passenger-idUSKBN17F1WT |
traed said: His lawyer says he is probably going to sue http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ual-passenger-idUSKBN17F1WT At least it will be a legit lawsuit for once. |
Drunk_Samurai said: traed said: His lawyer says he is probably going to sue http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ual-passenger-idUSKBN17F1WT At least it will be a legit lawsuit for once. Actually a lot of those stupid lawuits you hear about are just lies spread by the company being sued or the media that distorts the facts. |
traed said: Hopefully he does. He's probably financially stable but this is kind of more than that. This isn't some bullshit here and is a major concern. If anything the lawsuit would serve to improve their image at this point, showing that they've indeed been punished which will give them the opportunity to put out a statement saying that they will ensure immediate improvements will be made as to how employees treat customers.His lawyer says he is probably going to sue http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ual-passenger-idUSKBN17F1WT |
traed said: Actually a lot of those stupid lawuits you hear about are just lies spread by the company being sued or the media that distorts the facts. yes welcome to corp america where companies are considered people but can't be tried for the same things as people. |
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traed said: Actually a lot of those stupid lawuits you hear about are just lies spread by the company being sued or the media that distorts the facts. You mean like somebody suing somebody because hot coffee is hot? |
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DreamingBeats said: The $1350 is not a cap. The regulation actually says that, if the delay is over 2 hours, a bumped passenger is entitled to at least $1350 OR 4 times the price of their ticket, whichever is less. Also, the official DOT website explicitly states that this is the minimum required required compensation. Put another way: $1350 is the highest the minimum required compensation can be. There is no restriction against offering more. Indeed, as a result of this incident, Delta is now authorizing up to $9950.UA offered $800, even though they could, and should, have offered far more for customers to leave "voluntarily" (it's capped at $1350, so even the law isn't in UA's side) (http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/travel/questions-united-trnd/) Also, the rule only applies to passengers involuntarily bumped. There are no regulations regarding what the airline can offer to those who volunteer. And indeed, if the average ticket price were $200 or less, there would be little incentive for the airline to offer more than $800, as that would be the regulatory minimum. traed said: Correction. You're only entitled to cash if you're bumped involuntarily. The $800 being cited was an offer for volunteers. There are exactly zero regulations regarding the form or amount of compensation that can be offered to those who voluntarily relinquish their seats. The current regulations only apply to those who are involuntarily bumped.bottle said: That $800 is voucher, NOT cash. You probably can't use it except for buying their tickets again. But you should always be grateful! Actually legally they have to offer cash if you ask for it. http://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2014-09-04/bumped-due-to-overbooking-airlines-owe-you-money-not-vouchers Based on simple economic and business principles, the only way United (or any other airline) could be expected to give cash to a volunteer would be if the volunteer managed to negotiate it. And this assumes the line employees are even allowed to make that decision. |
ErwinJA said: Correction. You're only entitled to cash if you're bumped involuntarily. The $800 being cited was an offer for volunteers. There are exactly zero regulations regarding the form or amount of compensation that can be offered to those who voluntarily relinquish their seats. The current regulations only apply to those who are involuntarily bumped. Based on simple economic and business principles, the only way United (or any other airline) could be expected to give cash to a volunteer would be if the volunteer managed to negotiate it. And this assumes the line employees are even allowed to make that decision. I guess so Shhhhh dot ruin my dreams of a life of making cash bumping myself off of flights. |
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