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LiquidGold said: SHINO MISSED. Are you fucking kidding me man this has to be the biggest choke in gundam. You had one job Shino. How much longer do we have to wait to see Iok die the man's plot armor is insane. Action was good this episode and Bael looks amazing hoping to see more of it fight next episode. I didn't really care for the bromance this episode. Julieta hit his gun at the last second with one of her Gundam parts and made him miss... |
| I'm torn, I either watch as it airs or hold up and binge watch at this point. I WANT to watch as it airs, but goddamn, waiting another week is mental torture. ... I'll continue watching... |
KelgairFeb 28, 2017 8:41 AM
| The reasoning of Rustal Eilon is a bit weird. I mean, i get what he's doing, and the winner decides history, so it would probably work out, but: The enemy fired one Dainsleif. He had his soldiers fire hundreds. I thought the possession alone was a crime just a few episodes before. And the fact that he has them with him and that he has a plan for them means he was prepared to use them. Whether he actually does is just a side note at this point. How Mika can not overcome Julieta, who doesn't even use a Gundam Frame and does not have Alaya-Vijnana..she's good, sure, but Mika defeated a damn Mobile Armor, and fought on equal terms with the Gumdam Vidar, which has what is basically an integrated cheat... I hate it when the suddenly degrade characters of when characters forget powers they had before without any reason and such. If the story doesn't work without them becoming weaker without reason, you shouldn't have shown them as powerful. At least come up with a reason like that Barbatos is not (fully) repaired or something, even if thats almost always lame, too. It's even worse if they suddenly rediscover their powers shortly before getting utterly annhilated by the enemy, and subsequently wipe the floor with them. Thats basically the same, just in the other direction. "I can't use the full potential of my 300 year old, 20 meter high and 30 ton heavy mech because there's a scratch in the lacquer". "Wait, today is Tuesday, right? Forget what i just said, i'm gonna end this right now.." |
hoopla123 said: LiquidGold said: SHINO MISSED. Are you fucking kidding me man this has to be the biggest choke in gundam. You had one job Shino. How much longer do we have to wait to see Iok die the man's plot armor is insane. Action was good this episode and Bael looks amazing hoping to see more of it fight next episode. I didn't really care for the bromance this episode. Julieta hit his gun at the last second with one of her Gundam parts and made him miss... My mistake was already addressed...I guess I'll edit it. LiquidGold said: Shit you're right I had to rewatched it 3 times but i saw it. I can't believe I missed it. I owe Shino an apology. Sorry Shino my bad you still awesome. |
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| OMFG SHINO NOOO 😭😭😭😭😭😭 |
NwAurion said: T How Mika can not overcome Julieta, who doesn't even use a Gundam Frame and does not have Alaya-Vijnana..she's good, sure, but Mika defeated a damn Mobile Armor, and fought on equal terms with the Gumdam Vidar, which has what is basically an integrated cheat... I hate it when the suddenly degrade characters of when characters forget powers they had before without any reason and such. If the story doesn't work without them becoming weaker without reason, you shouldn't have shown them as powerful. At least come up with a reason like that Barbatos is not (fully) repaired or something, even if thats almost always lame, too. Hey now, even if he can't loose to Julieta, it doesn't mean that a weaker opponent can't get a jump on the stronger one under the right circumstances. Mika's was fending off the mobile suits attacking the charging ships, he was no longer engaged in his duel with Julieta the moment she retreated. She just rushed and pulled off a desperate move before he got to her, nothing more ~ unlucky. It doesn't make her stronger than him or anything, but she did pull off one damn good move, gotta give her credit for that. |
| Effing Julieta. Hope she dies soon. But I bet she will be one of the few survivors on the last episode. I was having a great day, and now it's a sad day. Goodbye, Shino. Great voice acting throughoutt the two seasons. Okada's timing is playing very well with the death flags. |
zerojFeb 28, 2017 7:05 PM
| "Manga readers are annoying, all they do is complain or spoil the anime we discuss in an anime forum. They should really do their whining at manga forums." Stolen from Janethan23. Add in visual novel readers too |
| Now when I listen the ending, I can't forget about Shino... (when he screamed because he miss his shot) How to print an image on a music... thanks Gundam IBO, I will always cry when this music appear in my ears... |
Obeley said: NwAurion said: I thought the possession alone was a crime just a few episodes before. And the fact that he has them with him and that he has a plan for them means he was prepared to use them. Whether he actually does is just a side note at this point. As far as we know, the rule is as follow: possession of dainsleif by Private party is illegal (stress on Private or non-Gjallarhorn), while G-horn is allowed to just stockpile them. This was made clear when G-horn officers spoke casually about the existence of Dainsleifs in their warehouse (not in this episode, but in the episode where Iok use them). Also, we know that Gjallarhorn have some funny rules before (eg. the rank of SS family was decided with the numbers of MAs they defeated, whoever piloted Bael can lead Gjallarhorn, etc). In this episode, Rustal gave us insight that apparently Gjallarhorn is allowed to use dainsleif if the enemy attacked them with dainsleif first. NwAurion said: How Mika can not overcome Julieta, who doesn't even use a Gundam Frame and does not have Alaya-Vijnana..she's good, sure, but Mika defeated a damn Mobile Armor, and fought on equal terms with the Gumdam Vidar, which has what is basically an integrated cheat... I hate it when the suddenly degrade characters of when characters forget powers they had before without any reason and such. If the story doesn't work without them becoming weaker without reason, you shouldn't have shown them as powerful. Mika was able to defeat the MA only when he & Barbatos were in full berserk-mode where Mika gave his all and prepared to die after piloting it to protect Orga. It's basically a suicidal move meant to beat an ultimate opponent. I don't think Mika wanted to use the same suicidal method on mere Julieta if he can apprehend her with a little more time. So, Mika might've thought that wasn't worth it. In hindsight, Mika kind of made a wrong decision, but it's still understandable. After all, Julia's ability to detach and throw its arm to Flauros' direction was a surprised attack in and of itself. So yeah, Mika/Barbie was caught by surprise with Julieta/Julia's surprise attack that able to reach Shino/Flauros from afar. As for how Julieta can give Mika a hard time, well, she obviously has been training very hard after Amida humiliated her and improved herself. She's young and talented so her skill is not stagnant. Maybe not enough to fight Mika toe-to-toe but certainly enough to hold Mika/Barbie for some time. And her MS Julia is indeed a state-of-the-art, agile and durable MS with a few tricks up its sleeves. So there's that. you know i would've sided with you with your reason but how the fuck did julieta even notice shino that fast and throws some shit with pinpoint accuracy with the smoke surrounding shino + mikazuki fighting her, i would've accepted it if she had alaya vijnana, or a fucking seed or shes an innovator or super saiyan or whatever super human shit you could think about. dont get me wrong this is a great ep but too much plot holes and characters getting dumb down for the sake of the plo(whats up with IDIOK's plot armor?? its super thick is he a significant character?). And choco man doing nothing geez and what the point of turning on bael again? the old geezers didnt even help him. and ohh i almost forgot shino has alaya vijnana so he should've detected what julieta throwed to him, from what i remeber alaya vijnana also enhances you spatial awareness?? |
| god dammit!! why just why... welp, if Shino didn't miss, the anime will be over already... RIP Shino and Flauros |
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Daniel_Naumov said: The new Hush-Trio, with the mechanic guy looking like Dandy trhrowing reason and sense lines at everyone, but as had been said, they are out of options now. As for decent adults, well. Gaelio was decent all the way, Ein was a fool just like every decent character in this series, but now has come in terms with who is the real enemy. McMaribit and Tenoujou were decent since day 0. McGillis is insane, Iok is a fool, Rustal is a scum. With things going the way they are, Rustal is going to be shot by outraged Iok. Yeah Dandy is suppose to be the new Biscuit, but whenever he puts in his 2 cents they always shut him down with "Everyone has made up their mind. Get in step with are lack of logical thinking" I will swear to my grave the writers are trolling us if Iok ends up being the one to take out Rustal. |
| I knew it. I knew he was going to die. The flag was so in my face. lol Such a shame. I was shipping him and Yamagi (I know it wasn't really ever gonna happen, but I couldn't help myself, and I'm not a yaoi fan or whatever else similar to that. He just looked so sweet with him), and the way he yelled at the failure was a little powerful. |
AmyTwoMar 1, 2017 2:05 PM
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| I feel like we aren't talking enough about Gaileo and his new mobile suit. |
 "I -AM- ELECTRICITY." -Gunvolt |
Daniel_Naumov said: devilscorner said: you know i would've sided with you with your reason but how the fuck did julieta even notice shino that fast and throws some shit with pinpoint accuracy with the smoke surrounding shino + mikazuki fighting her, i would've accepted it if she had alaya vijnana, or a fucking seed or shes an innovator or super saiyan or whatever super human shit you could think about. dont get me wrong this is a great ep but too much plot holes and characters getting dumb down for the sake of the plo(whats up with IDIOK's plot armor?? its super thick is he a significant character?). And choco man doing nothing geez and what the point of turning on bael again? the old geezers didnt even help him. and ohh i almost forgot shino has alaya vijnana so he should've detected what julieta throwed to him, from what i remeber alaya vijnana also enhances you spatial awareness?? You must be forgetting that what is going on the screen is a universe with it's own rules and borders, governed by both PHYSICS, which works just fine, and also COMMON SENSE. If you are trying to bend the story to your own consciousness likeness, where the characters you like always do the right thing and characters you do not can not use a mere radar system (HOW DID JULLIETA KNEW THAT UUUGHOOOOOOH COMMUNICATION CHANNELS), then there is exactly zero watching value. All you and them see is just explosions, apparently. Obeley said: As far as we know, the rule is as follow: possession of dainsleif by Private party is illegal (stress on Private or non-Gjallarhorn), while G-horn is allowed to just stockpile them. This was made clear when G-horn officers spoke casually about the existence of Dainsleifs in their warehouse (not in this episode, but in the episode where Iok use them). Also, we know that Gjallarhorn have some funny rules before (eg. the rank of SS family was decided with the numbers of MAs they defeated, whoever piloted Bael can lead Gjallarhorn, etc). In this episode, Rustal gave us insight that apparently Gjallarhorn is allowed to use dainsleif if the enemy attacked them with dainsleif first. Mika was able to defeat the MA only when he & Barbatos were in full berserk-mode where Mika gave his all and prepared to die after piloting it to protect Orga. It's basically a suicidal move meant to beat an ultimate opponent. I don't think Mika wanted to use the same suicidal method on mere Julieta if he can apprehend her with a little more time. So, Mika might've thought that wasn't worth it. In hindsight, Mika kind of made a wrong decision, but it's still understandable. After all, Julia's ability to detach and throw its arm to Flauros' direction was a surprised attack in and of itself. So yeah, Mika/Barbie was caught by surprise with Julieta/Julia's surprise attack that able to reach Shino/Flauros from afar. As for how Julieta can give Mika a hard time, well, she obviously has been training very hard after Amida humiliated her and improved herself. She's young and talented so her skill is not stagnant. Maybe not enough to fight Mika toe-to-toe but certainly enough to hold Mika/Barbie for some time. And her MS Julia is indeed a state-of-the-art, agile and durable MS with a few tricks up its sleeves. So there's that. Thank you VERY MUCH! for trying to talk some sense to all the bloodthirsty viewers who can only see one dimension of what is going on the screen. To note, Julietta is the same child soldier Mikazuki is, almost as savage socially. The only difference between them is the neural system inside their frames, which means that the only way Mikazuki can defeat her is use the system to it's full potential again, resulting in a (irreversable) damage to his organs, limbs, brain. BUT MAN HOW CAN BE SO WEAK HE DEFEATED THAT ARMOUR!!11! They must be thinking he has an infinite supply of bodyparts to keep using Barbatos' "Overdrive"... Yeah, well. Thank you for being out there for us and for them both. lol and which part did i even want the episode to bend on my own likeness, im already accepting the theory that after this fight mika will eventually be overall paralyzed or even die, we all know there is a big chance shino is going to die(well likely from the thumbnail if you watched this ep from gundaminfo)but its too predictable, mika's fighting prowess getting dumb down just for the sake of the plot, choco char doing nothing other than flaunting his bael like some sweet ride this ep is really just about death flags, and your attempt to justify julieta's (ughhh ohhh communcation) is so vague yeah right they could say that shino is on the hotarubi the moment rustal saw him but that doesnt justify the fact that she cant fucking see him with all the smoke, i would even accept it if they even showed what her MS can do other than move really fast like kimaris which barbatos can also do. either way im still going to see how they will drag this war within 5 episodes because if choco char's bael is just some decoration(kimaris is so badass tho it feels like he could destroy bael bu then again choco char is still smiling) and if mika will just keep this performance then all i can say is they are already doomed to die. |
devilscornerMar 1, 2017 11:06 PM
devilscorner said: you know i would've sided with you with your reason but how the fuck did julieta even notice shino that fast and throws some shit with pinpoint accuracy with the smoke surrounding shino + mikazuki fighting her, i would've accepted it if she had alaya vijnana, or a fucking seed or shes an innovator or super saiyan or whatever super human shit you could think about. dont get me wrong this is a great ep but too much plot holes and characters getting dumb down for the sake of the plot Obeley said: How Julieta was a ble to notice Shino? Well, it's a combination of luck and trope. The logical reason was that Julieta was on the area and caught a glimpse of Shino due to some luck. And about the pinpoint accuracy of the throw, well, I don't think it's a throw at all. Julia systematically detached its arm to Shino's direction like a guided projectile weapon. It seems to be a hidden feature of Julia. Add a state-of-the-art targeting system to that and you got yourself a hit. i guess i missed that part?? when did they showed this?? "the state if the art targeting system" devilscorner said: (whats up with IDIOK's plot armor?? its super thick is he a significant character?). Obeley said: Well, given that it's Iok who triggered the MA-arc and killed character as important as Naze & Amida, I'd say he's pretty significant for the story in general. Heck, he's more significant than Makanai and Nobliss at this point. Also, since when a bad guy surviving multiple times a problem? At least his multiple survivals are still logical and explainable. when did a bad guy surviving multiple times is a problem?? just now really, i wouldve even overlooked it if he was even half as good as julieta or even isurugi(in fights), sunrise is milking iok so much just for the sake that we can hate someone as insignificant as him and to justify on how the plot is moving. devilscorner said: And choco man doing nothing geez and what the point of turning on bael again? the old geezers didnt even help him. Obeley said: McG is a commander leading his fleet, but at this point, he can't do much aside from ordering his fleet to avoid Rustal's Dainsleifs and regroup. And right now, he's still busy fighting Gaelio. Also, you DO know that it's thanks to Bael that the other SS families are not joining Rustal in attacking McG's revolutionary armies, right? Being the pilot of Bael gave McG a big deal of authority over Gjallarhorn SS families thanks to their old rule that they still obey to a large degree (except for Rustal's faction who doesn't acknowledge him). Now, he needs to defeat Rustal if McG want to gain total domination of Gjallarhorn. but you've already seen it thooooo, its useless the old geezers didnt even gave him not even a little bit help, its only for the young ones. if choco char bael is nothing but a relic and decoration they he might as well surrender(unless he's hiding some trump card and fights like a boss).bec his fighting prowess right now is on equal footing on how iok fights. devilscorner said: and ohh i almost forgot shino has alaya vijnana so he should've detected what julieta throwed to him, from what i remeber alaya vijnana also enhances you spatial awareness?? Obeley said: Watch Shino's condition and situation again. Flauros was broken. Shino's arm was broken and he was fucked up just by standing on Hotarubi that was blowing up everywhere from Dainsleif bombardment, and he needs to concentrate on aiming on a small target in that dire situation in such a short time. In that kind of situation, it's understandable that Shino didn't detect it amidst all the explosion surrounding him. Also, unlike Mika & Aki who have three & two AV-whiskers, Shino only has one whisker, so give the man a damn break. He's done great so far. well yeah flaurus was broken with only a left hand that shouldn't even be a problem but i do agree he needed to concentrate so that he could shoot rustual perfectly |
devilscornerMar 1, 2017 10:59 PM
| Even though the death flag was so obvious..... damn this anime. |
| Dammit dammit dammit GOD DAMMIT. IT'S SO FRUSTRATING THAT SHINO MISSED HIS SHOT BECAUSE OF JULIETTA ;-; DAMN HER DSFQWHJKF RIP MY SHIP YAMAGI X SHINO |
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Barbatos_Lupus said: AnimeSoap said: Shino's death was pretty tragic. Sucks to suck. How is Julietta even matching Barbatos in a 1v1? She should have died in their second encounter tbh. I hope she dies in the next episode. Tekkadan is in a tough spot, but seeing Rustal attacking with underhanded tactics strenghtens the notion that he needs to die. How the hell is Tekkadan going to turn this around? Looking forward to it. Julietta wasn't, as soon as it came to an extended melee she was close to being finished. She's essentially doing what lafter did except with a far better machine. True. BUT Mika hadn't destroyed a mobile armor then, why would she even dream of winning. |
devilscorner said: but you've already seen it thooooo, its useless the old geezers didnt even gave him not even a little bit help, its only for the young ones. Obeley said: The fact that McG is only fighting Rustal's faction and not the entirety of Gjallarhorn is already a testament oF Bael's usability. No one can deny that. well that doesnt change the fact that the old geezers wont help him, bael right now is nothing to the young members of Gjallarhorn devilscorner said: if choco char bael is nothing but a relic and decoration they he might as well surrender(unless he's hiding some trump card and fights like a boss). Obeley said: Bael is a symbol AFAIK. Outside of that, it's just a regular Gundam. The show never said that it's the strongest Gundam or anything. That's just fan-hype and anticipation. well there goes the symbol, bael is nothing but a figure head not even the mars port wont let him dock, if it doesnt do anything any miracle and choco wont push to the limit then its nothing |
| My fudanshi senses picked up the BL undertones between Yamagi and Shino way back in the first season and I thought it was just a fluke by the creators. And now ShiMagi will join my vast collection of sunken shipwrecks. May she rest in peace. |
| Shino's death was not shocking as the other deaths. It was obvious they will kill him in this episode. And it's impossible for me to miss Shino since this series never tried to develop his character. All I know is that he likes girls. And it was predictable that he would miss the shot. It was really similar to what happened to amida before she died. |
| I knew Shino was going to die, but damn... Fuck you, Juliette! I hate everyone except Tekkadan right now. |
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| What a sad and tragic episode :( Can't believe he missed that shot :( R.I.P |
"There is no such thing as an Anime elitist. You watch Anime, therefore, you are trash by society's standards." |
| Fuck. I mean I saw that coming from like the second his character was introduced (or at least the first time Yamagi and Shino really interacted), but I still didn't want it to happen. Dang. |
| Finally a good episode! It was because it was action the entire time! Dude, you missed. |
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| Shino death in this episode, trying to approfit the opportunity to defeat and kill Rustal!!! He faile!!! ; _ ; and now what, surrender, scapes or fight to the death???? :/ |
| My heart can't take anymore deaths 😭 |
AzuriteZ said: God dammit Julietta! It pains me to see Shino go out like that... Yeah, it kinda make me hate her a bit, she is such a persistent girl too. If she hadnt interfered Russel would be kiss his ass goodbye! |
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| That ending was fucking bull shit. What the fuck was that cop out. Seems like they're just trying to hold out for 5 more episodes before they kill off the main bad guy. |
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