| If you stop a little to think about the genre, it should be good.. battle shounen stuff with hot girls fighting, best of both worlds. I think if they had the length and completedness of battle shounen, it would be more loved as a genre. Too bad the genre really gained wings only in the 2010s when 13 episode is the standard people who innately dislike harem need not apply |
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| i can't take harem fightning animes seriously |
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| Nah. I think forcefully dragging on stuff would ruin the enjoyment... Though I must say, some of these anime would benefit from higher episode count (24-48 ep) |
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| It's possible that's the case, but I'm pretty certain that it's because the whole idea of having multiple fictional attractive woman characters in an action centered series isn't very enticing to the masses. I'm sure anybody that is actually there for the story could overlook the naughty bits of the series, but it's not unimaginable that at some point it's just too much for them you know? I mean if length was really the issue then surely some studio have thought about this already, and experimented with making it longer - how'd that turn out? Who knows? |
| Tenchi Muyou already exists, why are you looking for something else? |
| >Hot girls in the battle I can understand if its wonder woman XD But sometimes too much PLOT distract me and I lose the hype |
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| I personally agree, for example Oda Nobuna no Yabou i think is really good but it isn't long enough and i wish that it was longer |
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CloudyKnight said: i can't take harem fightning animes seriously Pretty much this.But then again I am not watching them for fighting so yea. For OP:As you know the reason for that they just want to tease the source.Since story is not important in those series I don't think we are missing something. |
| I would posit that its biggest problem is the lack of creativity displayed in them. It doesn't matter how many episodes you throw at something if it's of low quality; trash is trash no matter what. Not that I want to come all shows of this nature trash - because some of them can be pretty decent - but with how many swathes of them just follow the same trends, the same clichés, the same routines, I certainly don't see how giving them more episodes would make them any better. Look at Asterisk War. It had a split-cour, giving it double the episodes of many other anime of a similar vein, and it didn't really do much with that overall. It had the same shclock we always see, with poor characters, typical tropes and all of that. The problem's the lack of effort and creativity as far as I'm concerned. |
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| The biggest problem with battle harem is how they actually trying to focused on the romance aspect despite not having any balls to make any conclusion. If it's just harem then just make a harem and focused on how to make the harem bigger without focusing too much on the romance aspect. |
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CloudyKnight said: i can't take harem fightning animes seriously Right? Why are they even a thing? I mean theres so much CGDCT and moe overall and ecchi without any fights and they deliver what the people actually want to see. |
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| I can't stand seeing girls fight in the first place. I like anime when the male character fights to the death to protect a girl, or to save one. Girls fighting isn't my thing. |
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| Well, I do love muh battle harems, but I don't love them enough to pick up one and have it go to like, 1,000 episodes over 13 years of my life or some shit like how long those battle shounen go on. I'm perfectly fine with the 12 - 13 episode average. Kinda bite sized and I can try out many different ones instead of just having a ton of a single one. |
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| Since those battle harem continue in novel/manga; that would suggest that battle harem would magically become better in animation and bad otherwise. Which is a bit weird. The only battle harem I ever liked is Negima. unfortunately never had a proper full length adaptation in anime, but anyway, I doubt I would suddenly like battle harem just because they're turned into long anime. |
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| No the biggest problem is that they try to have a serious story filled with tits and ass shots whenever possible, which doesn't exactly have much compatibility. You can't take the plot seriously and the fanservice becomes way too tame and/or forced to be exciting as well. Do one or the other, not both. Not saying it can't be done but it's really damn rare to see it turn out well that way Though of course pacing issues and inconclusive adaptations are always a downer but that doesn't really have anything to do with the genre. That's the same for every anime adaptation |
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| Not really it's problem is not taking risks into their stories. It's always the same old "teenagers have fight random aliens from out of nowhere". Also the characters, the thing is they will have MC that is male that either be.. A. A totally dense harem protagonist who has no idea that they are in love with him and wants his D B. A over the top pervert who has little to no friends but is obsessed with girls or something like that (that's why I don't have any intention to watch Trinity Seven) |
GalacticMagnaSep 21, 2016 4:06 AM
| @HaXXspetten @CloudyKnight sorry but im going to interject once again on all these "i can't take them seriously" people YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO... idk why people can't accept that fighting blood gore torture DO NOT mean a show is at all serious... fuck... even a super tense moment doesn't mean a show is ever serious. i just don't understand this automatic assumption that just because a show has those elements that we are supposed to look at them in a serious tone all these criteria we put on certain anime that were clearly never meant to be there psycho pass another THOSE are serious shows... and do you see tits and ass everywhere? NO... why is it that an American movie like Deadpool or Rushhour can have violence and death and tons of comic relief yet they do the same thing in anime and people complain? anyway, on topic... i agree with @Maz that its just lack of creativity... theyre some of the most predictable anime |
EcchiGodMamsterSep 21, 2016 4:13 AM
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Just look at this. Then compare to this.  And this.  Or look at this.  And compare it to this.  Really they barely scratch the surface most of the time. |
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EcchiLordMamster said: why is it that an American movie like Deadpool or Rushhour can have violence and death and tons of comic relief yet they do the same thing in anime and people complain? Because Japan is full of shit taste simple minded turds who can't copy our swag because our swag levels are too high to even be seen by japnese plebs. And 3D> The 2D loving otakus who depend on Waifus to not have a mental breakdown on realizing how shitty their life is because that can't get the affection of a real woman that doesn't involve a kick to the balls and being called a creep. TL:DR= America>Japan |
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| Well it could help a bit to certain harem shows which didnt "open up their wings" just yet, but as always, we never really get to see any of it Tho some are doomed no what fucking what, like Asterisk Wars. |
tr1ckst3r said: The biggest problem with battle harem is how they actually trying to focused on the romance aspect despite not having any balls to make any conclusion. If it's just harem then just make a harem and focused on how to make the harem bigger without focusing too much on the romance aspect. This is pretty much the largest issue at hand. Well, that, and the fact that a lot of them mirror eachother in TOO nay ways. |
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| Yes, I agree some battle harems would benefit from getting longer. For example, Dog Days has three seasons, and is good at all three. I also disagree with the people claiming that all the shows of the genre are similar. KamenRiderMagna said: It's always the same old "teenagers have fight random aliens from out of nowhere". Infinite Stratos, Asterisk, Hagure Yuusha no Estetica - no external threat, only fellow fighters and the occasional rogue construct. Mahou Sensei Negima - every fight actually has something resembling reasons, even if people like magical battles more than any other form of communication/violence. Utawarerumono, Dog Days - no aliens, but lots of foreign invaders, and an occasional monster. These two differ in tone a whole lot, Utawarerumono being serious, and Dog Days being light-hearted and child-friendly. I can go on, but I'm too lazy for that. |
NeoAnkara said: Dude, where's the last one from? That looks awesome. |
Mahou Sensei Negima(manga) Because as the thread suggests, the anime or any of the sequels or such never quite reached this far. Well, maybe the OVA and movie did, but they skipped a lot of content |
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Olem said: Mahou Sensei Negima(manga) Because as the thread suggests, the anime or any of the sequels or such never quite reached this far. Well, maybe the OVA and movie did, but they skipped a lot of content Not worth watching then, I guess. It has quite the unimpressive score on MAL. Still, that picture looks very badass. :) |
| Frankly, I can't take seriously this kind of show. Even if they try to be serious, It will more ridiculous. Why? Because many shonens shonen are an excuse to see big unconsistent fights, and many harem stories are an excuse to see hot girls failling in love with a slug. So many battle harem stories are an excuse to see big unconsistent fights WHO are an excuse to see hot girls failling in love with a slug (and weak people are hated in shonens). |
| well, as a guy I like harem. some of harem I've seen are action and its good. we need series consist of 50 episodes I think, that can be enjoyed us harem lover :D and they should avoid cliche and overused scenes so that it will have potential to compete with shounen anime. most of the adaptations only has 12 episodes and 25 episodes is rare. |
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tr1ckst3r said: The biggest problem with battle harem is how they actually trying to focused on the romance aspect despite not having any balls to make any conclusion. If it's just harem then just make a harem and focused on how to make the harem bigger without focusing too much on the romance aspect. I agree... A harem series should at least have a harem ending. I get it why Harem have this "mutual relationship" with the Dense-kun or OP-kun, but for some reason it really degrades it... However, episodic Ecchi series is a good, and they should at least produce more of it... The recent I can think of would be MM! But really, Shounen + Ecchi would probably make a good combination, just don't add the "naruto/Bleach/FT/OP" effect to it. Then that would ruin it. But don't worry guys Keijo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! will not be airing this Fall 2016... |
| I have a couple of problems with battle harems: First, the tone. Most battle harems are both trying to be serious and funny at the same time, but most of the time it's poorly executed and both fail to be either serious and funny. As an example, panties shots happens during the middle of a fight. I honesty got no idea what is the tone suppose to be. Is it suppose to be funny, or exciting, or scary, or serious !? Second, the concept. I'm sorry, but I just never liked the idea or the concept of battle harem series at all. |
Milennin said: Well it is a 38-volume manga and most of the epic stuff happens in the second half of it so... yeah you'd need 100+ episodes to adapt all of Negima for sureOlem said: Mahou Sensei Negima(manga) Because as the thread suggests, the anime or any of the sequels or such never quite reached this far. Well, maybe the OVA and movie did, but they skipped a lot of content Not worth watching then, I guess. It has quite the unimpressive score on MAL. Still, that picture looks very badass. :) |
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| Battle shounen appeals to younger boys which generally don't like watching an all girl (or girl focused) show. Harem in general is just shit by design though, since it restricts the creative process so much. It basically limits your audience right out of the gate. Why don't you bring up some examples of what you consider good examples of shows like this that would greatly benefit from being much longer and would gain way more popularity that way? |
OneNaughtyBear said: EcchiLordMamster said: why is it that an American movie like Deadpool or Rushhour can have violence and death and tons of comic relief yet they do the same thing in anime and people complain? Because Japan is full of shit taste simple minded turds who can't copy our swag because our swag levels are too high to even be seen by japnese plebs. And 3D> The 2D loving otakus who depend on Waifus to not have a mental breakdown on realizing how shitty their life is because that can't get the affection of a real woman that doesn't involve a kick to the balls and being called a creep. TL:DR= America>Japan Lol... well uh... I'm sure they like u watching their content, u shitposter u |
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Lisbon said: maybe 50-100 as some shorter battle shounens (shaman king, law of ueki)... it would still be more than virtually all battle haremWell, I do love muh battle harems, but I don't love them enough to pick up one and have it go to like, 1,000 episodes over 13 years of my life or some shit like how long those battle shounen go on. I'm perfectly fine with the 12 - 13 episode average. Kinda bite sized and I can try out many different ones instead of just having a ton of a single one. but 13 is just nooot enough .. especially coupled with being an incomplete adaptation "season 2 never" Zefyris said: being longer does kinda make them better.. having more story and spending more time with the characters and all thatSince those battle harem continue in novel/manga; that would suggest that battle harem would magically become better in animation and bad otherwise. Which is a bit weird. The only battle harem I ever liked is Negima. unfortunately never had a proper full length adaptation in anime, but anyway, I doubt I would suddenly like battle harem just because they're turned into long anime. though i guess a big part of the problem is the lack of ending ?_? and i think you would like negima if it were a long anime p= Milennin said: eh, while i agree it's not worth watching (though the first season is alright as a romcom), not watching it just based on the mal score isn't such a good idea if it really seems so cool... you could still read the manga especially since it's finishedOlem said: Mahou Sensei Negima(manga) Because as the thread suggests, the anime or any of the sequels or such never quite reached this far. Well, maybe the OVA and movie did, but they skipped a lot of content Not worth watching then, I guess. It has quite the unimpressive score on MAL. Still, that picture looks very badass. :) the anime did give me a pretty strong "go read the manga" feel (which is pretty much a huge minus), but if not for shaft's negima i might have actually done so, making it fulfill its purpose as an anime-ad-for-the-manga MrTea said: the biggest blackest best example would be Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai which stops exactly at the moment when it starts to become interesting with the world merging and the entire city changing in colorBattle shounen appeals to younger boys which generally don't like watching an all girl (or girl focused) show. Harem in general is just shit by design though, since it restricts the creative process so much. It basically limits your audience right out of the gate. Why don't you bring up some examples of what you consider good examples of shows like this that would greatly benefit from being much longer and would gain way more popularity that way? and the aforementioned negima since that one's manga is actually finished and pretty popular i also have a soft spot for isuca and oretwi which even if they don't end in such a dumb spot like Boku-h, they have very nice girls & interesting worlds and could have used some extra cours to explore them more |
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| @romagia Negima would probably be the only long runner anime I would be ready to watch (that and an impossible long runner of kyoukaisenjou no horizon x) ). But that would be because of the huge amount of character I appreciate in that title. Never going to happen tho. That's too bad. Lack of proper ending in the anime version isn't limited to battle harem. Almost any adaptation of novel and manga is like that. If you're talking about having a proper ending in the original material for the romance part, well it's already there in some case. Hikaru is a novel I heavily disliked but the MC properly choose a girl (and a logical one) at the end, for example. Doesn't makes it any better in my eyes. On that point the ending of c^3 was open but it was far far more satisfying as a whole. |
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| Yes it is, most writers are newbies too so they get better the longer they go on. Showing the start of the series doesn't showcase their true worth. |
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| It's definitely looking as though this genre is done for awhile as I see absolutely no sign of it in the coming year Hopefully Keijo!!!!!!!! Will start a new trend of ecchi female sports or at least drive writers to be more creative with ecchi But more action Ecchi plz, no type of fighting is better than sexy fighting |
EcchiGodMamsterSep 21, 2016 9:23 AM
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| Since UQ Holder get an anime there is nothing wrong in hoping for proper Negima adaptation. |
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NeoAnkara said: Since UQ Holder get an anime there is nothing wrong in hoping for proper Negima adaptation. 'xcept we don't even know if UQ holder will get a PROPER anime adaptation. Look at the anime adaptation for negima. They're, here, no doubt. Just... not proper, except for the ala alba and mahou sekai OVAs (including mahou shoujo yue). |
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EcchiLordMamster said: It's definitely looking as though this genre is done for awhile as I see absolutely no sign of it in the coming yeari cryfaec EcchiLordMamster said: Hopefully Keijo!!!!!!!! Will start a new trend of ecchi female sports or at least drive writers to be more creative with ecchi Well, if this means a surge of stuff like Umishou, then I'm definitely all game for that. It's a sports/ecchi and it's probably the best non-harem ecchi I've ever seen, personally, so combined with the general lack of sports ecchi in comparison to other kinds, I think this actually has a lot of potential. romagia said: Lisbon said: maybe 50-100 as some shorter battle shounens (shaman king, law of ueki)... it would still be more than virtually all battle haremWell, I do love muh battle harems, but I don't love them enough to pick up one and have it go to like, 1,000 episodes over 13 years of my life or some shit like how long those battle shounen go on. I'm perfectly fine with the 12 - 13 episode average. Kinda bite sized and I can try out many different ones instead of just having a ton of a single one. but 13 is just nooot enough .. especially coupled with being an incomplete adaptation "season 2 never" Meh, I dunno 50 - 100 episodes still feels kind of long. I wouldn't be against, say, 26 episodes or so, but it's not like the attraction people like me who like this kind of stuff have to it isn't vapid. It's about cool action coupled with a fuckton of fanservice and whatnot. You can only really run so far with that. It'd take a really good one for me to want a long running battle harem. Other than that, the current 12 episode thing with some getting multiple seasons works pretty damn well for the kind of anime in question, if you ask me. |
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romagia said: Milennin said: eh, while i agree it's not worth watching (though the first season is alright as a romcom), not watching it just based on the mal score isn't such a good idea if it really seems so cool... you could still read the manga especially since it's finishedNot worth watching then, I guess. It has quite the unimpressive score on MAL. Still, that picture looks very badass. :) the anime did give me a pretty strong "go read the manga" feel (which is pretty much a huge minus), but if not for shaft's negima i might have actually done so, making it fulfill its purpose as an anime-ad-for-the-manga People like to say that the MAL score is a bad way to judge an anime, but I find that in a lot of cases, anything that falls below the 7-7.5 on MAL tends to be painfully average or too flawed to be greatly enjoyed (yes, there are exceptions, that goes for everything). Though I see now that the manga has a much higher rating and also looks way better, art-wise (the anime's art looks so boring, lol), so it might be something I could consider trying sometime. |
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Lisbon said: EcchiLordMamster said: Hopefully Keijo!!!!!!!! Will start a new trend of ecchi female sports or at least drive writers to be more creative with ecchi Well, if this means a surge of stuff like Umishou, then I'm definitely all game for that. I watched Umisho this year in preparation for keijo!!!!!!!!!! I'm waiting for my sexy all female volley ball anime, my sexy cheerleading anime, and my twerk team anime Come on Japan, let's let Keijo revolutionize ecchi |
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EcchiLordMamster said: @HaXXspetten @CloudyKnight sorry but im going to interject once again on all these "i can't take them seriously" people YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO... idk why people can't accept that fighting blood gore torture DO NOT mean a show is at all serious... fuck... even a super tense moment doesn't mean a show is ever serious. i just don't understand this automatic assumption that just because a show has those elements that we are supposed to look at them in a serious tone all these criteria we put on certain anime that were clearly never meant to be there psycho pass another THOSE are serious shows... and do you see tits and ass everywhere? NO... why is it that an American movie like Deadpool or Rushhour can have violence and death and tons of comic relief yet they do the same thing in anime and people complain? anyway, on topic... i agree with @Maz that its just lack of creativity... theyre some of the most predictable anime To be fair I dislike nearly all mainstream movies that are coming out and thought Deadpool was shit for 80% of the movie. That being said, I do think that a show (movie/TV series/anime/whatever) CAN feature both comic relief and serious moments IF it's done well, which is pretty hard to do. Just look at Akama ga Kill. I remember a scene where . Now that is a scene that is supposed to be sad/heavy. A logical reaction would be to feel devastated, and for the other characters to showcase even a tiny ounce of humanity and to relate to the MC's pain. Yet, like literally 30 seconds later, one of the big-boobed characters is like 'Oh Welp, let's make a joke about my big BOOBS!! LOL!" It isn't realistic at all. And please, please, don't even get me started about how anime isn't supposed to be realistic. I'd rather spare myself from a long-ass explanation but yeah, that's a load of bullshit. A show like Gintama, on the other hand, manages to blend comic relief and serious moments quite well most of the time. |
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RedaJaNai said: EcchiLordMamster said: @HaXXspetten @CloudyKnight sorry but im going to interject once again on all these "i can't take them seriously" people YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO... idk why people can't accept that fighting blood gore torture DO NOT mean a show is at all serious... fuck... even a super tense moment doesn't mean a show is ever serious. i just don't understand this automatic assumption that just because a show has those elements that we are supposed to look at them in a serious tone all these criteria we put on certain anime that were clearly never meant to be there psycho pass another THOSE are serious shows... and do you see tits and ass everywhere? NO... why is it that an American movie like Deadpool or Rushhour can have violence and death and tons of comic relief yet they do the same thing in anime and people complain? anyway, on topic... i agree with @Maz that its just lack of creativity... theyre some of the most predictable anime To be fair I dislike nearly all mainstream movies that are coming out and thought Deadpool was shit for 80% of the movie. That being said, I do think that a show (movie/TV series/anime/whatever) CAN feature both comic relief and serious moments IF it's done well, which is pretty hard to do. Just look at Akama ga Kill. I remember a scene where . Now that is a scene that is supposed to be sad/heavy. A logical reaction would be devastated, and for the other characters to showcase even a tiny ounce of humanity and relate's to the MC's pain. Yet, like literally 30 seconds later, one of the big-boobed characters is like 'Oh Welp, let's make a joke about my big BOOBS!! LOL!" It isn't realistic at all. And please, please, don't even get me started about how anime isn't supposed to be realistic. I'd rather spare myself from a long-ass explanation but yeah, that's a load of bullshit. A show like Gintama, on the other hand, manages to blend comic relief and serious moments quite well most of the time. You already knew I was gonna go that direction... I don't consider shows with lots of comic relief serious shows |
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EcchiLordMamster said: RedaJaNai said: To be fair I dislike nearly all mainstream movies that are coming out and thought Deadpool was shit for 80% of the movie. That being said, I do think that a show (movie/TV series/anime/whatever) CAN feature both comic relief and serious moments IF it's done well, which is pretty hard to do. Just look at Akama ga Kill. I remember a scene where . Now that is a scene that is supposed to be sad/heavy. A logical reaction would be devastated, and for the other characters to showcase even a tiny ounce of humanity and relate's to the MC's pain. Yet, like literally 30 seconds later, one of the big-boobed characters is like 'Oh Welp, let's make a joke about my big BOOBS!! LOL!" It isn't realistic at all. And please, please, don't even get me started about how anime isn't supposed to be realistic. I'd rather spare myself from a long-ass explanation but yeah, that's a load of bullshit. A show like Gintama, on the other hand, manages to blend comic relief and serious moments quite well most of the time. You already knew I was gonna go that direction... I don't consider shows with lots of comic relief serious shows Well all I'm saying is that a show (like Gintama) CAN feature both comic moments and serious moments without one of those elements feeling out of place at all, which is admitedly a pretty hard line to walk on. I think that some posters on this thread feel like most battle harem shows are unable to walk on said line, which, in my very limited experience with this kind of shows, quite true. |
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