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Mar 20, 2016 2:29 PM

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@flannan

1. You should have read my other post before responding with this, i already stated that it does imply stage before real sing of female body maturity. And by that i meant prepubescent, tho point taken, i never meant to make any implication about teenagers anyways. So you are out of frame of reference here. I even mentioned mentioned the age strictness which comes with original definition, tho the term went quite loose in many ways.

2. Lolita complex also implies "exclusive or primary" so i do not have any need to state it while talking about differences between the two. So this is empty accusation, please follow logical implication while reading and don't take things out of context.

3. It is not so strict as you would like to imply:
"Lolicon (ロリコン?), also romanised as lolikon or rorikon, is Japanese discourse or media focusing on the attraction to young or prepubescent girls. The term lolicon is a portmanteau of the phrase "Lolita complex";[1] it describes an attraction to young or prepubescent girls, an individual with such an attraction, or lolicon manga or lolicon anime, a genre of manga and anime wherein childlike female characters are often depicted in an "erotic-cute" manner (also known as ero kawaii), in an art style reminiscent of the shōjo manga (girls' comics) style." (Since you like Wikipedia definitions.)

And lolicon is just a portmanteau of the phrase "Lolita complex". Which is western term by all means. Which has nothing to do with animation in the first place, that is latter implication.

P.S. I was not even thinking about that.

Tho if you have a point to make then make it, as this is just nit-picking out of context, and quite poor one at that. At least give counter arguments or something.

"Anything more inclusive is obviously pedohunt. Which is a modern version of witch hunts, and hence evil."
That is poor made deductive argument, back up your premises and define evil before making such claims.
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Mar 20, 2016 3:24 PM
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Yes sticking my dick in cute things is acceptable please don't judge hater
Mar 20, 2016 4:24 PM

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The very fact that for two pages most of the posts consist of asking OP if they believe lolicons are pedophiles when they clearly never once mentionned the latter in their first post speaks volumes about how ambiguous nature of the former really is (or maybe just how insecure lolicons are about their taste, who knows...).
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GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Mar 20, 2016 6:28 PM

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This is definitely not a baitworthy thread.

The definition of lolicon changes from person to person and is often used by one user to attack another user with tastes contrary to theirs. What's the age at which a girl becomes a loli? Japan's age of consent? Your country's age of consent? Is a girl that is legal but looks young a loli? Lolicon is an empty buzzword just like pretentious, edgy, and every other word used by the anime community to describe things they don't like.
Mar 20, 2016 6:32 PM

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Anime doesn't even go that far.

You have eroge where the protagonist fucks girls as young as 10, and its not even a fucking nukige.

Like there was an eroge released October last year where the teacher at a elementary school fucks his 3rd year students.
Mar 20, 2016 7:22 PM

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If this list is any indication, there's actually been a decline in anime with significant lolicon content since the late 00s or so.

Everything that connects to MAL

Contains Ecchi, but not Tagged Ecchi: Part 1 || Part 2 || Part 3

Mar 20, 2016 8:22 PM

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Arcofdream said:

Like there was an eroge released October last year where the teacher at a elementary school fucks his 3rd year students.


source of Visual Novel for the sake of science please?
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Mar 20, 2016 8:25 PM

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Temoze said:



--Nero-- said:
they are way beyond cute Q^Q


And you are way beyond understanding what you are talking about.


i was gonna say they are adorable and charming, sweet Too

and is worthy of divine worship

but alright ;-;

Mar 20, 2016 8:29 PM

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I don't see the relevance of the lolicon percentage among people who are not part of the target audience for anime for the anime industry but I'll vote for the sake of science.
I probably regret this post by now.
Mar 20, 2016 8:42 PM

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Semen-Demon said:
source of Visual Novel for the sake of science please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq3NRH5_qAg

https://vndb.org/v17972

I've only played 1 route and its pretty heartwarming. Plan to play the rest when I feel like it.
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Mar 20, 2016 9:46 PM

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@flannan

1. You should have read my other post before responding with this, i already stated that it does imply stage before real sing of female body maturity.

When you're saying that the definition of lolicon is "clear", you should provide a proper definition all at once.
Since you did not, it's obvious the definition is not that clear.
Our disagreement on point 3 indicates the same.

Temoze said:
Tho if you have a point to make then make it, as this is just nit-picking out of context, and quite poor one at that. At least give counter arguments or something.

There is no need for counter-arguments beyong links to authoritative sources when we're arguing about definitions.

Temoze said:
"Anything more inclusive is obviously pedohunt. Which is a modern version of witch hunts, and hence evil."
That is poor made deductive argument, back up your premises and define evil before making such claims.

There is no use speaking to people who can't understand the word "evil". Especially with a comparison to witch hunts. Only a religious fanatic might think witch hunts are not pure evil. I hate religious people and would not talk to them.
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hell no

there's a huge variety of individuals who are into it. the most i can say that "smaller" loli characters provide is a different type of physicality for a girl, cuz making them all big titted twigs would get real boring real fast. I like anime for its variety in designs. Loli/shota while they has negative connotations being associated with sickos and all, at the end of the day also seems to be synonymous with the physical appearance of certain characters, either young looking or younger than a teen age. Kinda like how people jokingly called Nagisa from Free! "Shota" before he was technically given a name, it was because he had youthful features when compared to his fellow characters from the same anime... so like, I would say that the words loli/shota have multiple contexts, most of which aren't creepy or sexually driven.
Mar 21, 2016 1:33 AM
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Everyone is a lolicon deep inside their hearts.
Mar 21, 2016 1:54 AM
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Do i like lolis in anime? Yes but not tsunderes and naive imoutos (example shinobo)
Do i like lolis in hentai? Yes but hate imouto cos of naivety and hate rape genre
Do i like them in real life? Hell fucking no, i am not into fucking little girls
Mar 21, 2016 2:04 AM

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Everyone is a lolicon deep inside their hearts.
Deep inside their scrotum rather. o,o
Mar 21, 2016 2:19 AM

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Yeah. We're All Lolis,







Accept your fate.
Mar 21, 2016 10:22 AM

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@flannan

My definition is correct just not strict, it is same as saying sun is a start, there is nothing wrong with that.
Even if i don't provided you with proper definition at first, that doesn't mean definition in itself is not clear, words have definitions their clearness doesn't correspond to people understanding or usage of them. If someone doesn't know definition of word that doesn't mean that words definition is unclear.
Our disagreement on point 3 and the fact that you insist to keep it only proves that you are hypocritical, since i provided the source for definition, and the source was the same you insisted to use before so you can't play like it's wrong definition unless you want to also prove yourself wrong.

Still dodging my point i see.

There are so many things wrong with your deductive argument.

First: You imply that modern version of something still have the properties same properties as the old version. And that is incorrect. For example combine harvester is modern version of harvest tool, that doesn't mean it's as inefficient as the last version. To be more precise your argument is that different version of something has same attributes and is incorrect by definition because different versions of same think is different by attributes. A1 is not exactly A2. So your conclusion doesn't follow from premises.

Secondly: Premise number one - How is it a pedohunt? What is that? You just made up a word?

Thirdly: Second premise - Do people who participate in pedohunt hunts witches with modern means? Do they kill their targets?
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Mar 21, 2016 10:27 AM

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This post is amazing, keep it up!
Also, deep down, we all love some of dat loli ass.
Mar 21, 2016 10:31 AM

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there is different whne you find it cute and you find it sexual.

there is also shows when loli supposed to be cute (barakamon and usagi drop) and when loli supposed to be sexual (kodomo no jikan).

please differentiate this first.
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Mar 21, 2016 11:00 AM
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30%... Ayy LMAO! Can we make it to 50?

Time to go full pedo, people.
Apr 14, 2016 8:26 AM

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I like them sexually. To answer your question as to why it's pandered to, it is of course simply for more viewers. I'm sure you mean shows with a bunch of lolis but imagine this. If you were creating a show and knew that by adding just 1 loli you could get more viewers and money, why wouldn't you?

And yes this is my 1st post bcuz i wasn't lazy today and decided to create an account. Sue me for not creating an account when i first visit every site.
Apr 14, 2016 9:26 AM

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With all that said though, I feel that at least somewhere deep down within us, pedophilia is something everyone feels. Im not trying to defend it, but I just feel that with all the evidence and cases out there, that pedophilia may be a bigger part of the human psyche then we would care to admit. And it deserves a bigger look and analysis that we as a society have been giving it.

1) Liking children is truly a major part of human psyche. I don't think liking them sexually is.
2) I'm sure a lot of lonely people may start to look at children sexually if they are sufficiently lonely. This is preventable.
3) Sometimes I think we could have got rid of a lot of bad stuff in society if psychology actually worked.
Apr 14, 2016 9:40 AM
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I like cute girls but doesn't mean i will do anything sexual to them. Same logic with people who love cute pets, doesn't mean they will engage in bestiality. At the end of the day what define a bad person or not is whether they can exercise self control.
Apr 14, 2016 9:41 AM

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With all the definitions of lolicon given here, I don't think I can call myself one ever again! T_T
Apr 14, 2016 9:53 AM
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@Dandy-san No. It's niche in a business aspect and satiates wants.

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>It's 2016 and people still think this topic is "debate-worthy"



>[insert current year] this still happens!? >:|

Let's be real, this isn't going to end anytime soon unless otherwise.
Apr 14, 2016 10:13 AM

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is there a cure for lolli/pedo phlla

Only when there's a cure for social progressivism concerning the rights of pixels on a screen. :p

To answer the poll, no, I'm not. I am a human being though, so I naturally find children cute. This is how the human brain has been wired. There is a natural human instinct to want to protect children, as this allows parents to secure the safety and form a closer bond with their offspring. It happens in lots of other species too.

If you deny this instinct in you, you are literally denying being human.

In short, I don't go out of my way to find loli pics and watch loli-themed anime, and I'm certainly not part of the subculture surrounding these, but if I see a picture of a cute loli I will think "d'awww that's cute".
Apr 14, 2016 10:14 AM
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I can't choose between lolis and oppais. It's unreasonable
Jun 11, 2020 1:12 PM

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I think so. Japanese culture fetishizes young girls or at least the idealization of female beauty is much younger than in the west. This is very evident in anime and the medium attracts people who are at least neutral about it, if not.... attracted by it.
Jun 11, 2020 4:15 PM

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My man really necro'd a 4 year old thread lol
Jun 11, 2020 4:21 PM

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With each year probably this gets more true. Megumin did win a waifu of the decade poll so I would say yeah to this question. This thread awakened after 4 years. *pillar men theme plays*
Jun 11, 2020 5:05 PM

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So 15% on MAL are pedophiles. Seems accurate.
Jun 11, 2020 9:51 PM

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Fuck lolicon and moe , all my homies are oneesan and senpai lover
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Jun 11, 2020 10:07 PM

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I don't think majority of them are lollipop conventions. I haven't seen one event sponsored by Chupa Chups either.
Jun 11, 2020 10:19 PM

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lolis don’t usually have thiqq thighs... so





nah they pretty cool
Jun 11, 2020 10:40 PM

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What's your definition of lolicon ?

if you say lolicon = pedo , then no one is actually one
Jun 12, 2020 3:58 PM

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Holy shit I swear this thread brings back memories.

To answer the OP (if I didn't some time in the past). Yes. They're irredeemable degenerates. All of them.
Jun 14, 2020 11:05 PM

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Only lolis I like are oppai lolis like Hestia.
Jun 15, 2020 6:24 AM

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Yes, approximately 90% of them. Some only have the urge to headpat those loli, while some others actually fap to them. (I'm the former, trust me.)
Jun 15, 2020 8:19 AM
I'm a gay shotacon, we're a minority among lolicons but most people either don't care. Most of the community don't mind having underage characters as waifu.
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Jun 15, 2020 9:50 AM

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Z-Dante said:
If playing GTA doesn't make you a criminal, then being a lolicon won't turn you into a pedo.
Seeking cuteness is pure and innocent. So I don't any problem being a lolicon. They're cute so I like them.

So yeah. Most people in MAL ( including me ) are lolicons.

Liking lolis are fine and innocent. While being sexually attracted to them is not.


So do you mean that lolicons have no sexual attraction towards younger anime girls?





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Jun 15, 2020 9:59 AM

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What's your definition of lolicon ?

if you say lolicon = pedo , then no one is actually one
nope that is correct 100% I would bet people who look at loli have tor installed on their pc.
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I hear a lot about anime being over-saturated in loli-type stuff, and it got me wondering. How much of the anime audience is actually lolicon?

Going off how many shows target these guys, there must be a lot of them. Are they a majority?

Poll to find out how many MAL users are among them

What are you gonna do with the information once you know? Are you an FBI? Are you a detective? What is the point of this thread?

I vote "Yes".
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No. But I've noticed that mores than any other fetish, lolicons can be really loud about it. It makes them seem more numerous than they are, not to downplay their size. But not even the ecchi fandom is majority lolicon, and the huge split between H&E and E/H was over whether or not we should even accept them. After E/H purged their lolicons, H&E was filled by former E/H lolicons and people who strongly disagreed with that move. And despite being founded like that, lolicons are still a decisive minority in H&E. There's only a few regulars I can think of off of the top of my head that are into loli.

If that's the case there, I highly, highly doubt lolicons are a majority anywhere else.

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According to a recent survey that I just made up, only 30% of MAL users are lolicons. The rest are lolis.

Feb 17, 2024 5:41 PM

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Don't think so, lolis are pre-pubescent girls and I'm not into that, but once the bleeding starts they are ready! joke
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