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Tokoya said: You are not alone in your petitions my friend.... The things is Toei is a big studio meaning big bucks $$$ this studio has to cut corners and deliver the goods is not acceptable that a big studio like Toei gives us this sub-par to crappy animation.All I ask now Toei is that you guys give Beerus vs SSJG Goku good art and animation....Please don't shit on us fans again like you did with round 1 The 90's we can understand the lower quality in some episodes DBZ but we are in the 00's so it is not acceptable for a brand like Dragon Ball to get this kind of treatment. In my opinion all of the 20+ episodes should look like the intro and the ending (art quality wise). |
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Roy_Focker said: Tokoya said: You are not alone in your petitions my friend.... The things is Toei is a big studio meaning big bucks $$$ this studio has to cut corners and deliver the goods is not acceptable that a big studio like Toei gives us this sub-par to crappy animation.All I ask now Toei is that you guys give Beerus vs SSJG Goku good art and animation....Please don't shit on us fans again like you did with round 1 The 90's we can understand the lower quality in some episodes DBZ but we are in the 00's so it is not acceptable for a brand like Dragon Ball to get this kind of treatment. In my opinion all of the 20+ episodes should look like the intro and the ending (art quality wise). Heck even Sailor Moon Crystal has some pretty lackluster animation and story. |
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rubinorosso93 said: but if the episode is setted 6 month after majin buu how is videl pregnant? 9 years and six month later pan is 4 years old.. 6 months? You're 3.5 years off brah |
futurenightmare said: rubinorosso93 said: but if the episode is setted 6 month after majin buu how is videl pregnant? 9 years and six month later pan is 4 years old.. 6 months? You're 3.5 years off brah This. A lot of people are saying that it is 6 months after Majin Buu. 6 months after the Majin Buu saga, dragon balls were used to erase Majin Buu from the memories of Earthling. |
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| Exactly. Plus this is a kids anime, they wouldnt have Videl pregnant at 16. She's 20/21 here. |
| really slow episode. whole other half was basically goku goin god mode. and btw, sup with animation? at one point went from bad to horrible (i think whis was on screen when it happened) |
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| I actually thought the transformation sequence looked kind of nice. All of those clouds swirling around... looked cool & whatnot. The rest of the episode had some iffy looking moments, though. Like when Goten & Trunks picked up the Dragon Balls to put them on the ground... and they just kind of disappeared off of the table they were on. The Super Saiyan God design still looks stupid. I'm sorry, but red hair and red eyes is just dumb looking. Anyway, female Super Saiyan... looks cool. I have to wonder if the actual version will look different, though... since she was just radiating the energy instead of actually turning into one, herself. Also, does that mean Pan became a Super Saiyan while she was still in the womb! Videl's stomach glowing seemed to suggest that... gotta say, that's pretty badass. SweetGelato said: So how old is Shenron anyway? Did the Namekian who made Shenron really know who Beerus was? Seeing as how the one who created Shenron was Kami-sama, of Earth, who occasionally chatted telepathically with King Kai, as well as being on good terms with King Yemma, I'm guessing it's very likely that he had met Beerus at least once before. |
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| WTF is going on here? They legit burned half the episode on the transformation. I thought/hoped after Kai we were done with pacing issues. Bad enough the first arc is just them redoing BOG (which makes it worthless) but now we're just dragging things out? For what? I've got to assume this fight lasts two eps at the least also. This arc probably won't be over until episode 15. |
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DrizzyXP said: Gov said: Plot hole. Vegeta is not of pure of heart. He didn't get his body in other words when he died fighting Buu and after Gogeta defeated Janemba, his body dematerialized. Vegeta slaughtered millions of people and has for the most part had selfish desires to be the best. I chuckled when Chi Chi said "but he brought Trunks to the park" as if that negates all the atrocities he committed. Vegeta was revived by Porunga in the Kid Boo fight BECAUSE he was good now. He redeemed himself after he returned from Hell. And the requirement is to have a righteous heart, not a pure one. It's no plot hole, if the show thinks Vegeta is good now, then he's good. It's just that simple. No that doesn't work like that. Just because you are revived doesn't abolish your past actions. Vegeta has destroyed countless planets, killed the Ginyu force members after Goku spared them, allowed himself to be controlled by Babadi and slaughtered thousands of innocent civilians just to bait Goku. All that right there is not of a pure of heart. Remember what Piccolo said back after Vegeta asked if he will see Goku before his final explosion? Piccolo said that Goku devoted "his entire life" to helping others and thus was rewarded with his body. The only reason King Yemma allowed Vegeta to get his body during the Buu arc is because they were desperate for a solution against Kid Buu. This is a plot hole period. |
Gov said: No that doesn't work like that. Just because you are revived doesn't abolish your past actions. Vegeta has destroyed countless planets, killed the Ginyu force members after Goku spared them, allowed himself to be controlled by Babadi and slaughtered thousands of innocent civilians just to bait Goku. All that right there is not of a pure of heart. Remember what Piccolo said back after Vegeta asked if he will see Goku before his final explosion? Piccolo said that Goku devoted "his entire life" to helping others and thus was rewarded with his body. The only reason King Yemma allowed Vegeta to get his body during the Buu arc is because they were desperate for a solution against Kid Buu. This is a plot hole period. I think it depends on what you consider pure of heart. Vegeta is definitely a good guy as he no longer has any evil intentions. He sacrificed his life to try to kill Majin Buu, knowing that he may not be brought back to life or be rewarded with his own body. But yes, King Yemma did allow Vegeta to go back to Earth with his body to fight Majin Buu (he still had the halo above his head if I remember correctly). I'd say the biggest inconsistency is Dende's height lol Pretty sure he's meant to be a little shorter than Piccolo, yet majority of the time he's the same height as he was when he was on Namek lol |
Gov said: No that doesn't work like that. Just because you are revived doesn't abolish your past actions. In your opinion. The show clearly thinks Vegeta has redeemed himself. Gov said: All that right there is not of a pure of heart. Nobody said Vegeta is pure of heart. The requirement is to have a RIGHTEOUS heart. Do you think Vegeta is still evil? No? Then there's your answer. Gov said: Remember what Piccolo said back after Vegeta asked if he will see Goku before his final explosion? Piccolo said that Goku devoted "his entire life" to helping others and thus was rewarded with his body. The only reason King Yemma allowed Vegeta to get his body during the Buu arc is because they were desperate for a solution against Kid Buu. Yes, and when they wished to Porunga to revive "everyone that was killed in the past day, minus the really bad ones", Vegeta was revived. So clearly, the show thinks Vegeta redeemed himself. Goku even comments on Vegeta's revival, saying "Hey, it seems like you're a good guy now!" Gov said: This is a plot hole period. It isn't. |
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DrizzyXP said: Gov said: No that doesn't work like that. Just because you are revived doesn't abolish your past actions. In your opinion. The show clearly thinks Vegeta has redeemed himself. Gov said: All that right there is not of a pure of heart. Nobody said Vegeta is pure of heart. The requirement is to have a RIGHTEOUS heart. Do you think Vegeta is still evil? No? Then there's your answer. Gov said: Remember what Piccolo said back after Vegeta asked if he will see Goku before his final explosion? Piccolo said that Goku devoted "his entire life" to helping others and thus was rewarded with his body. The only reason King Yemma allowed Vegeta to get his body during the Buu arc is because they were desperate for a solution against Kid Buu. Yes, and when they wished to Porunga to revive "everyone that was killed in the past day, minus the really bad ones", Vegeta was revived. So clearly, the show thinks Vegeta redeemed himself. Goku even comments on Vegeta's revival, saying "Hey, it seems like you're a good guy now!" Gov said: This is a plot hole period. It isn't. I completely disagree with this post. Really really bad ones is subjective to Purunga. Really bad ones could be someone on the level of Freeza for all we know. For plot connivence Toriyama wanted Vegeta to be alive and thus subjectivity was used in the wish instead of a concrete wish that had no wiggle room. I saw pure of heart but fine lets use "righteous heart" as the requirement. Let us see the definition of righteous which is "a person who is morally right" and I still don't see Vegeta having that. He has shown no remorse for his actions, any of them, and has never proved that he is a changed person other than protecting his friends and family, and while that is noble, its not good enough. |
| Reading all these comments and it's like everyone became a fan after Kai. This episode's pace was light speed compared to some of the orginials. Looking at you Perfect Cell transformation. Anyways get used to it, this is Toei. |
Gov said: I saw pure of heart but fine lets use "righteous heart" as the requirement. Let us see the definition of righteous which is "a person who is morally right" and I still don't see Vegeta having that. He has shown no remorse for his actions, any of them, and has never proved that he is a changed person other than protecting his friends and family, and while that is noble, its not good enough. He apologized for killing the people at the Budokai in the Boo arc, he apologized to Gohan for his 'death' in the Boo arc as well. He took Trunks and Bulma on a trip here. Super is trying to show Vegeta is a good guy, and so did the entire Boo arc. The entire Boo arc's main point was Vegeta's redemption. It's not good enough for you, for the show it is. You're saying it's a plot hole when it's all subjective. I think Goku is a huge asshole, yet he's still righteous by the show's perspective. |
| Everybody said that already, but what the hell: PACING WAS ATROCIOUS. Fun little thing I noticed when it comes to bad art though: it seems no matter how weak the team behind current episode is, nobody is able to draw Beerus badly. Every time he looks decent or just good. Of course I don't count scenes where he stands in the background, but all human characters get derpy faces sporadically and Beerus just... don't. His cat face must be truly hard to draw ugly. Or I'm just blind. This episode was a pain to watch, but at least I got solid laughs from Goku calling Vegeta a wet blanket, Vegeta waiting for his turn, Goku being an asshole to everyone unintentionally and ChiChi showing off her Mother Of The Whole World tendencies (we have far better saying in Poland about this type of woman but sadly it doesn't translate at all). Seriously tough, after all these years I couldn't care less about power levels, fights and planets blowing up for ten episodes straight. I'm here for humour and scenes with Piccolo showing he's better father than Goku. Ah, and Beerus and Whis bickering like old marriage. |
DrizzyXP said: Gov said: I saw pure of heart but fine lets use "righteous heart" as the requirement. Let us see the definition of righteous which is "a person who is morally right" and I still don't see Vegeta having that. He has shown no remorse for his actions, any of them, and has never proved that he is a changed person other than protecting his friends and family, and while that is noble, its not good enough. He apologized for killing the people at the Budokai in the Boo arc, he apologized to Gohan for his 'death' in the Boo arc as well. He took Trunks and Bulma on a trip here. Super is trying to show Vegeta is a good guy, and so did the entire Boo arc. The entire Boo arc's main point was Vegeta's redemption. It's not good enough for you, for the show it is. You're saying it's a plot hole when it's all subjective. I think Goku is a huge asshole, yet he's still righteous by the show's perspective. I just think the entire thing is bullshit when the word righteous should be used for someone other than Vegeta. Considering Toriyama wanted a new form for super saiyan and came up with this nonsense, I am not surprised at the liberties they took. An unborn baby is now considered righteous? When did that happen? Pure sure but we are looking for righteous, which means they need to be alive to do morally right decisions. The entire idea of Super Saiyan God is built on inconsistencies. |
GovSep 7, 2015 2:58 PM
| Pan being righteous or not is a good subject to discuss, but Vegeta being righteous shouldn't even be a debate at this point, it's more than obvious to anyone that he is. As for Pan, my only explanation is that all humans and half-saiyans are righteous by default. |
| Awesome episode! Cool to see a Super Saiyan woman for the first time; and I was surprised that even Shenron fear Beerus. |
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futurenightmare said: Reading all these comments and it's like everyone became a fan after Kai. This episode's pace was light speed compared to some of the orginials. Looking at you Perfect Cell transformation. Anyways get used to it, this is Toei. I figured they saw the superior pacing of Kai and were gonna, I dunno, take after its lead. Instead I'm dealing with this garbage ass pacing and wondering who I hurt to inflict this giant waste of time upon me and how can I apologize so it can stop. I legitimately can't believe they burned the entire second half of the episode on this transformation. Thanks to RF this isn't even the transformation I want to see anymore. |
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| Shite episode as usual. Super Saiyan God's dull. Meh. |
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| It's fucking hilarious that people are constantly saying ''too slow'', but you're fucking watching dragon ball. I think it's actually going too fast paced according to dragon ball standards. I don't think Videl actually became a super saiyan just got enveloped in the ki or something or maybe her baby did. Weird, hope it's not pan in her womb since that would remind me of GT. Why the hell are Pilaff and his gang still kids? The animation was ok, hype next week. |
Gov said: DrizzyXP said: He apologized for killing the people at the Budokai in the Boo arc, he apologized to Gohan for his 'death' in the Boo arc as well. He took Trunks and Bulma on a trip here. Super is trying to show Vegeta is a good guy, and so did the entire Boo arc. The entire Boo arc's main point was Vegeta's redemption. It's not good enough for you, for the show it is. You're saying it's a plot hole when it's all subjective. I think Goku is a huge asshole, yet he's still righteous by the show's perspective. I just think the entire thing is bullshit when the word righteous should be used for someone other than Vegeta. Considering Toriyama wanted a new form for super saiyan and came up with this nonsense, I am not surprised at the liberties they took. An unborn baby is now considered righteous? When did that happen? Pure sure but we are looking for righteous, which means they need to be alive to do morally right decisions. The entire idea of Super Saiyan God is built on inconsistencies. This is just a possibility, but in the Christian faith (or at least, what I know of it), unborn (presumably past 6 months or whenever the abortion time frame ends) and newly born children will be taken up to Heaven both upon death and as a result of the Rapture (end of days and all that). I guess it's one of those "good/righteous by default" kind of things? Anyway, there's no way to tell if Toriyama was thinking of that when he wrote this, so... My big thing is this: if Goku (according to the movie version) more or less "absorbs" the Super Saiyan God form into his normal form, isn't that basically cheating? Anytime someone would have tried the ritual in the past (which could have been just once for all we know), they would have had to repeat it each time they needed their Super Saiyan God. Not to mention the fact that Super Saiyans were seemingly rare until recently. I know it would mess with the pacing and basically force all of the Saiyans to always be present, but it'd be interesting if they had to do the ritual each time they needed Goku or Vegeta to go Super Saiyan God. |
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| Soooooooo, is vegeta being a good or bad guy/an unborn child being righteous or not and therefor suitable or non-suitable for acquiring a Super Sayjin God really important enough to qoute christian faith and discuss other inconsequences about that in ages long posts during a fight with the God of Destruction to save the world in an Anime that's basically about guys beating the crap out of each other after using magic glass balls to summon a dragon to grant wishes and answer questions? _ Also it is true that Shenlong didn''t grant any of three wishes, but to be fair I guess he just wanted to run away from Beerus xD |
SolitaryDarknessSep 8, 2015 10:37 AM
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| Videl going pseduo-Super Saiyan. Honestly, I'd like to see more of that. Remember that Vegeta was born into the royal bloodline of a race that is naturally aggressive. He has seen his entire race and family be slaughtered, became the lackey to the very tyrant who did so and met someone who proved to be stronger than him and managed to get revenge on his behalf. He's selfish, arrogant and has commited mass genocide in his bid to be the best, but over the course of the series he has undergone the most character development; going from a hot-headed lackey who wanted to blow up the Earth to being a family man, though the rivalry with Goku has always been consistent. Everyone else was brought up in a much more pleasant environment. Of all of them he's the most realistic. I guess giving a toss about someone else meets the Saiyan requirements of having a pure heart and that the definition of being pure-hearted isn't so black-and-white. Which explains how he's a Godly Super Saiyan (I refuse to call it SSGSS) in Revival of F. |
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starburst_stream said: Why the hell are Pilaff and his gang still kids? The animation was ok, hype next week. They wished for youth from Shenron but he made them too young. Mai becomes Trunks' girlfriend if the movies are anything to go by. |
| Pink hair God... |
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bittersweetlove said: Pink hair God... more a Super Saiyajin Drag Queen (SSDQ), than a god. |
| Nah, this is what I'm waiting for. Next episode would be animated better, although I don't expect much of it because of that revolutionary animation in the 5th episode. |
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| ROFLMFAO at people deluding themselves into thinking Vegeta being pure of heart is a plot hole, when AT straight up tells us he's pure of heart. It's evident that those posting something so risible are simply bandwagoners who're watching the DB franchise for the first time. |
ziggy_ZSep 8, 2015 9:16 PM
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| Haha I agree, managed to survive after getting 'touched' by both Beerus and Buu, and now knocked Gohan with one hand, Mr. Satan confirmed the strongest human, not even Yamcha or Ten Shin Han could be able to knock Gohan like that lol (ˆ▽ˆ) j0x said: and we finally saw how a female super saiyan looks like, so they only have golden hair but not spiky i guess Android 18 can be considered a super saiyan girl lol ThreePointer said: If you guys ever played Dragonball Xenoverse (console/pc), just create female saiyajin race, and get the skill "Super Saiyan" or "Super Vegeta", then you can witness that girls also can turned SSJ. And yes unless you choose the spiky hair, SSJ for girls only turned the hair to golden ;)And finally a glimpse of what a "super sayian" girl would look like (honestly I wasn't surprised). |
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ShinRei_YaGaMi said: Or just search up Super Saiyan Pan. xDIf you guys ever played Dragonball Xenoverse (console/pc), just create female saiyajin race, and get the skill "Super Saiyan" or "Super Vegeta", then you can witness that girls also can turned SSJ. And yes unless you choose the spiky hair, SSJ for girls only turned the hair to golden ;) |
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ziggy_Z said: ROFLMFAO at people deluding themselves into thinking Vegeta being pure of heart is a plot hole, when AT straight up tells us he's pure of heart. It's evident that those posting something so risible are simply bandwagoners who're watching the DB franchise for the first time. Huh? Wtf are you babbling about? Being a super saiyan is not the same as "5 saiyans who are righteous". We moved past that, he conceded it wasn't pure of heart but rather righteous. I still have not gotten a rightful response on how Vegeta is righteous at this moment. |
| Lol wow they actually took a whole episode to transform, All that build up annnnnd Goku has pink hair... I feel a bit disappointed xD I was expecting some godly form but his hair colour just changed into one of the least coolest colours xD. And he is apparently younger which I didn't even notice. Oh also couldn't they all be Super saiyan gods at once?, Goku just needs to swap with Vegeta or whoever, I mean he still counts as a super saiyan. |
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RealExtinction said: I am still questioning why all of this is part of the canon now.......... I refuse to consider any of this canon. It's not TOO bad, but it's certainly not that good either. Movies should stay just that - movies. They should have moved over to that new arc they have planned since the beginning... It would have been much better if they summoned an entirely new Saiyajin instead of overpowering Goku...again. Ridiculous. The latest DB movies (kami to kami and fukkatsu no F) were planned to be canon from the beginning. This was alwayas going to be the sequel arc... |
| Was a good episode, but I'd probably like the majority of the series more if I'd marathon it. I'm still enjoying it though. The music continues to suck. |
| damn Shenlong is a coward who would have thought?! |
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| Goku with red hair and red eyes? That's it? Super Saiyan God's design is kind of lame. |
| Considering Vegeta put up a better fight in a weaker form it would make much more sense to have him turn SSG first. It was also way to dragged out again. |
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| It's obvious Vegeta is a good guy now, there's no doubt about that. It shouldn't even be a discussion point. Also I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying we got to see a super saiyan female. I'm pretty sure Videl just looked yellow in the glow of everyone else. She's a full human, she couldn't become a super saiyan. |
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RealExtinction said: I am still questioning why all of this is part of the canon now.......... I refuse to consider any of this canon. It's not TOO bad, but it's certainly not that good either. Movies should stay just that - movies. They should have moved over to that new arc they have planned since the beginning... I AGREE!!!! Plus, I wonder if we'll see Vegeta young Brother Tarble and Bulma old sister Tights in this spin-off series... Because consider "this" canon is total madness... They made a manga version just to fool the fandom... |
| Helding hands to achieve Kami transformation, what a joke... They made a shitty movie, now the TV series has to follow it, what a bunch a crap. Every Sayan transformation(and Kaioken) till now was hard to obtain and now we have this... and it took almost a whole episode to do it. I'll drop this soon if it continuous to go on a "happy go lucky" vibe, there is a limit. There is no longer the epic gruesome slugfests from Z, nothing. And the animation is really bad, way worst than those Ultimate Tekaichi reanimated scenes... |
SnaitaSep 9, 2015 7:39 PM
| Terrible. They really dragged that transformation scene out, and holy shit the church choirboys for a soundtrack didn't do it any justice either. Can't we just skip this arc? The movie did this 100x better and wasn't overly corny like this |
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| The pacing is so slow ... And why are we forced to see all the faces after each actions |
| Yeah, Pour all that energy into Goku........It's not like you guys are gonna need it anyway DNI_R said: Of course it will be a failure, worse pacing, worse production values. Quite the contrary, the series will probably be a success, If stuff like One Piece are any indication. |
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| I knew it, except for that transformation nothing happened the whole episode. This has to be one of the most dragged out scenes of all times, this deserves a 1/5. Fuck you TOEI |
Gov said: Plot hole. Vegeta is not of pure of heart. He didn't get his body in other words when he died fighting Buu and after Gogeta defeated Janemba, his body dematerialized. Vegeta slaughtered millions of people and has for the most part had selfish desires to be the best. I chuckled when Chi Chi said "but he brought Trunks to the park" as if that negates all the atrocities he committed. Wait what? Vegeta didin't get his body after he died in the fight against Buu? Wtf? Even the ginyu force, freezer and his father and Cell got ther damn Bodys. Or was the tournament with Picon not canon? |
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