Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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Sep 6, 2015 3:07 PM
#351
darboux said: For example the other guy's theory about Hans it implies alot of stuff that are not possible.(reprograming the altar to activate the right time etc.The altar was not shown to have mechanic parts or was hinted,also Hans would have needed to travel alot of hours and back and Maura never once woke up,besides maura said she met him on her way so chances of stopping to sleep were low.Also we know from the way the barrier was made the moment the barrier is activated fog covers everything,flamie showed what was burried and said so.So the barrier was not activated when the doors exploded and hans couldnt have known......) Dont take it personally but according to what you say about not been able to prove a theory then ok here's some of them : 1)in RNY world there is an alien race from outer space that activated the barrier as soon as the braves entered because they sided with the demon king to take over the earth.Can you prove it wrong? 2) One of the heroes has teleport ability.He teleported in activated the barrier and out. again can you prove it wrong? Reprogramming altair is NOT impossible. You can't exclude possibility until it's clearly stated that "that thing cannot be done". And even if it's stated by a character, you have to include a possibility that character is lying. Maura said she met him "yesterday". It clearly implies the possibility of her sleeping between meeting Hans and the rest is actually quite high, since usually sleeping is what you do at night. Yes, the moment barrier activates a fog covers everything. If we assume Hans reprogrammed barrier to activate the moment door is opened improperly, the result would be exactly what we saw in episode 4 when Adlet blew up the door. I don't think anybody ever said "you cannot prove it wrong so I'm right". What I personally implied, tho, that this one theory is most legit so far. I don't say it's great and free of assumptions, because we clearly didn't have info that you CAN reprogram the barrier. But also there was none proving it wrong, so that classifies the theory as possible. Again, if you come up with theory that sound better than this, I'm all ears. I only proposed this one because I didn't find any better. And my theory, while having assumptions, doesn't contradict anything we know and is relatively simple (at least imo). And actually teleportation isn't out of question, either. Thought now that you mention it, we have something similar to teleportation actually confimed. It was mentioned that there exists Saint of Time. If said Saint can stop the time, she could even go into the temple right after Adlet blew up the door, launch the temble, go away and make the time move again. |
Sep 6, 2015 3:19 PM
#352
HandsomeMan said: You'd be surprised how often that happens. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of Volume 10 Adlet wakes up and realises it was all a dream. Then he makes coffee and goes to his job. He is a fresh banking intern in New York City after all, gotta give it your best! Oh, and he also has a date this afternoon with this girl who likes to dye her hair white and wear an eye-patch sometimes. The end. |
Sep 6, 2015 3:30 PM
#353
apokaliz500 said: darboux said: For example the other guy's theory about Hans it implies alot of stuff that are not possible.(reprograming the altar to activate the right time etc.The altar was not shown to have mechanic parts or was hinted,also Hans would have needed to travel alot of hours and back and Maura never once woke up,besides maura said she met him on her way so chances of stopping to sleep were low.Also we know from the way the barrier was made the moment the barrier is activated fog covers everything,flamie showed what was burried and said so.So the barrier was not activated when the doors exploded and hans couldnt have known......) Dont take it personally but according to what you say about not been able to prove a theory then ok here's some of them : 1)in RNY world there is an alien race from outer space that activated the barrier as soon as the braves entered because they sided with the demon king to take over the earth.Can you prove it wrong? 2) One of the heroes has teleport ability.He teleported in activated the barrier and out. again can you prove it wrong? Reprogramming altair is NOT impossible. You can't exclude possibility until it's clearly stated that "that thing cannot be done". And even if it's stated by a character, you have to include a possibility that character is lying. Maura said she met him "yesterday". It clearly implies the possibility of her sleeping between meeting Hans and the rest is actually quite high, since usually sleeping is what you do at night. Yes, the moment barrier activates a fog covers everything. If we assume Hans reprogrammed barrier to activate the moment door is opened improperly, the result would be exactly what we saw in episode 4 when Adlet blew up the door. I don't think anybody ever said "you cannot prove it wrong so I'm right". What I personally implied, tho, that this one theory is most legit so far. I don't say it's great and free of assumptions, because we clearly didn't have info that you CAN reprogram the barrier. But also there was none proving it wrong, so that classifies the theory as possible. Again, if you come up with theory that sound better than this, I'm all ears. I only proposed this one because I didn't find any better. And my theory, while having assumptions, doesn't contradict anything we know and is relatively simple (at least imo). And actually teleportation isn't out of question, either. Thought now that you mention it, we have something similar to teleportation actually confimed. It was mentioned that there exists Saint of Time. If said Saint can stop the time, she could even go into the temple right after Adlet blew up the door, launch the temble, go away and make the time move again. Its not imposible but there is nothing to hint towards that.A scene for example when the braves where doing stuff on the altar something moving or some lever or w/e else there is nothing.So yes its not imposible but it is for me an ***pull... Also how on earth Hans guessed the excact time?The fog came up quite a few moments the doors exploded......He ran inside temple,then out chased by the guards then fought them and after while the fiend dissapeared the fog came up.....(will need rewatch the episode,but think thats how it happened) Also you say Maura said yesterday so if they needed to sleep before they arrived at the temple at best the temple would alot of Hours time ahead.So Hans traveled so fast to the temple and back while Maura was sleeping?Also Maura would be so comfortable sleeping while an assasin next to her? Also another thing.....Hans could have killed maura.If maura was so sound asleep that he could steal the key from her sliting her throat would be easy.And that way is more efficient and less risky for him.Maura could have woken to take a piss and notice the key was missing not to mention if he killed her noone would suspect him?Not to mention he could have stayed outside the barrier so the heroes would be trapped forever and just 5 of them the first thing they would think would be one of them killed the 6th and trapped and still kill each other???? Sorry man it seem like an ***pull to me.Can i prove it 100% wrong no. Actually like HandSomeMan said there are writters and stories like that.And in fact the Alien race example is something that i have seen.An ln with alot of volumes ended by having aliens coming down killing everyone without having any hint before it happened.And it was an ancient fantasy setting like this one so it was the most lame type of ****pull ending lol. The time saint tho you mention it could be.Because it was actually mentioned.But still the barrier that way could never be canceled lol.The saint pops it on and goes outside the range and lets time go.So why are there 7 braves?Even with just 6 they would still kill each other,and how on earth are they gonna come out of the barrier lol. |
darbouxSep 6, 2015 3:40 PM
Sep 6, 2015 3:50 PM
#354
Wow that confession of love was forced! Adlet's actions throughout the entire anime relating to protecting Flamie felt a bit off, but you could have just assumed - hey, he's just a good guy that wants to protect his allies. Fast forward to episode 10 and wham, confession of love that felt very "out of nowhere". While that kinda sucked, kinda fun to watch Flamie actually develop and become more than a one note character. Love a good character arc. I don't know if I wasn't paying attention or what, but this episode had some really damn fine animation put into it (sandbagging the cgi parts, of course). The whole end scene where the two run from the tumbling logs was just a treat for the eyes. Quality animation 'round the board. I don't see how there's any question that Bunny Bimbo-chan isn't the traitor (inb4 crazy plot twist). She spends her entire time fumbling around in the forest, doing who knows what with the excuse of "I'm helping Adlet-san!", with stout convictions that Adlet isn't the traitor and with no real evidence to back that up apart from "muh feelings". Suddenly Maura tells a very feign lie in attempt to make everyone turn on Adlet and suddenly her "unwavering convictions" are shattered like they were nothing. Oh and crazy psycho mode engage. |
Sep 6, 2015 3:53 PM
#355
g0tadman said: Wow that confession of love was forced! Adlet's actions throughout the entire anime relating to protecting Flamie felt a bit off, but you could have just assumed - hey, he's just a good guy that wants to protect his allies. Fast forward to episode 10 and wham, confession of love that felt very "out of nowhere". While that kinda sucked, kinda fun to watch Flamie actually develop and become more than a one note character. Love a good character arc. Was I the only one who wasn't surprised by the fact that Adlet is in love with Flamie, and confessed to her? |
Sep 6, 2015 3:54 PM
#356
darboux said: Its not imposible but there is nothing to hint towards that.A scene for example when the braves where doing stuff on the altar something moving or some lever or w/e else there is nothing.So yes its not imposible but it is for me an ***pull... Also how on earth Hans guessed the excact time?The fog came up quite a few moments the doors exploded......He ran inside temple,then out chased by the guards then fought them and after while the fiend dissapeared the fog came up.....(will need rewatch the episode,but think thats how it happened) Also you say Maura said yesterday so if they needed to sleep before they arrived at the temple at best the temple would alot of Hours time ahead.So Hans traveled so fast to the temple and back while Maura was sleeping?Also Maura would be so comfortable sleeping while an assasin next to her? Also another thing.....Hans could have killed maura.If maura was so sound asleep that he could steal the key from her sliting her throat would be easy.And that way is more efficient and less risky for him.Maura could have woken to take a piss and notice the key was missing not to mention if he killed her noone would suspect him?Not to mention he could have stayed outside the barrier so the heroes would be trapped forever and just 5 of them the first thing they would think would be one of them killed the 6th and trapped and still kill each other???? Sorry man it seem like an ***pull to me.Can i prove it 100% wrong no. Actually like HandSomeMan said there are writters and stories like that.And in fact the Alien race example is something that i have seen.An ln with alot of volumes ended by having aliens coming down killing everyone without having any hint before it happened.And it was an ancient fantasy setting like this one so it was the most lame type of ****pull ending lol. The time saint tho you mention it could be.Because it was actually mentioned.But still the barrier that way could never be canceled lol.The saint pops it on and goes outside the range and lets time go.So why are there 7 braves?Even with just 6 they would still kill each other,and how on earth are they gonna come out of the barrier lol. Again, I'm aware of the flaws of the "Hans reprogrammed altair" theory, the main one being no hint it's doable, but the strength of that theory is that I didn't see any better (though now we have the Time Saint theory, which IS better). In my idea Hans didn't guess the exact time. In my idea altair is magical so it can listen to orders, so Hans could say "activate the moment door is opened/a few seconds after". Like I said, those are sure some storng assumptions, but those were never proven wrong in the series so it is possible. Again, I absolutely understand it souns like an asspul, and again I proposed this theory because I didn't have any better. Do we have an info how far EXACTLY the meeting point or wherever they could spent the night in was? Because wuthout that, we cannot be sure if it took many hours or not. Not to mention that Hans is kinda fast. Maura could be comfortable even with assassin if said assassin was a Brave. He was pretty much her comrade by definition. The thing about fake killing a Brave where they're alone with one is troubling because I think every of the seven was at least once alone with someone during those 9 episodes. So with that argumentation we would have to assume that none of the 7 has any evil intentions. But, like people said numerous times, already, seventh's objective may be to try to make the 6 kill each other so more than one is dead before seventh is revealed. And yes, even if 6 gather with the fake being one of them, they'll know that one Brave is dead because there will be one petal on the crest missing. About Time Saint going outside the range - Fremy said Saints powers aren't unlimited. So the assumption she can freeze time for 10 minutes for example, but not for long enough to leave the big forest is very valid. If there were only 6 braves and one would be framed as a traitor, they would assume he was just true Brave that betrayed them and now there are 5 left and the case is closed. Then they would have a problem since the barrier is still active, but if Saint of Time didn't leave the forest it would be only a matter of time until the hunger tortures her (that forest doesn't really look like it has anything edible) and she deactivates the barrier so she can run away from the forest to some city to finally eat something. Fiends may be aware of that, so they sent 7th. With 7th, Braves will authomatically assume 7th = bad guy. If they kill Adlet but notice he wasn't 7th (one petal disappears) they'll think they were wrong that Adlet did it so they start to look for another person to kill, possibly killing most of Braves in the process. And that would happen before Saint of Time gets hungry enough to deactivate the barrier. I mean, hunger argument may sound silly, but I think it's kinda realistic considering that she's a human and all. |
apokaliz500Sep 6, 2015 4:07 PM
Sep 6, 2015 3:55 PM
#357
Well, i think i've fallen in love with Flamie too -_-. Great episode, i can't wait to see the next one. Fuck Nachetanya, crazy and fucked up bitch. I really hate Maura, wether she's the 7th or not... She lies like a little cunt. I just can't hate Chamot though, even after she just trusts that bitch and all, she's just too cute XD. I can't see any of these 4 being the 7th : Flamie Hans Chamot Adlet So i think it's one of these 3 : Maura : That bitch deserves to die, 7th or not though. Nachetanya : My current guess, well either her or Maura. Goldov : I don't think he's the 7th though. Edit : Really ? 7.70 out of 10 ? That anime is so underrated, i mean compare that score to other anime of this year and you'll see that it is way better than a lot of shows that got 7.8-8.4 |
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Sep 6, 2015 4:16 PM
#358
that bunny girl is crazy bi*ch and love the adlet confession . |
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Sep 6, 2015 4:39 PM
#359
Maura said something interesting after she reported that Hans has been injured : "This will finally spur the princess to action". This very sentence gave me a whole new perspective towards Maura. Does she suspect the princess and her actions are solely made to provoke Nashetania to reveal herself as the seventh? |
Sep 6, 2015 4:40 PM
#360
Wow, was just about to go to sleep. The pain is real. ViciLockhart said: Fremy said that she knows nothing about her disappearance...(ep. 3) also she was mention 3/4 times (Hime,Adlet,Mora,Fremy) Well, it was either one or the other, lol. apokaliz500 said: They don't have to say it for it to be a possibility. Who ever said he ISN'T a great actor? Eer, the exact same theory you replied to while replying to me for the first time? You have nothing supporting yours, whereas I don't need something to support mine, as it's like a default character trait. :/ Also, finding quotes is effort. =.= ttcchen said: mira-nyan said: Also, the artwork quality went down this ep. Such lol-worthy faces I thought that picture looks pretty good Everything except for the eyes is fine, imo. ttcchen said: I disagree with nearly everything you had just said. "Hans is innocent." How do you know? Do you have evidence to back up your claim? >Imo. In my opinion. It's just a speculation. He acts like a character that isn't the fake. "Hans seems pretty clean." you even said it yourself, he seems clean Do you have anything saying other wise? For me, he seems far less suspicious than the other 4 that aren't Fremie and Adlet. "Plus, in stories like these, the most suspicious at the start(Hans and Fremie) are the least likely to be the perpetrator." have you not learned from the past episodes that the author of this story doesn't do cliche plots? Instead of writing a simple hero fight demon lord story, he turned it into a mystery. instead of Adlet falling for the first girl that showed up, he fell for a cold killer. instead of a cute loli, he gave the loli puking power. You should have realized by now that you shouldn't judge this story based on what "stories like these" are like. I don't see how this has to do with anything, tho. When I say 'with stories like these', I don't mean cliches. :/ I mean mystery in general, cliched or not. The evil looking guy being evil is far more cliched than the opposite, so idk what you're going on about. And, as you can see, I have been right so far: Fremie certainly seems to be the least guilty. Yet who is she? A half fiend. Someone who originally planned on kill the the braves/brave-to-be's. e.t.c I mean my intuition; Fremie was always gonna end up being a good guy, speculated this since I first saw her. Hans, ofc, was suspicious at the start. He, however, was given some light. He isn't 'just some dark assassin'. The guy seems genuinely good - like he genuinely trusts Adlet. If he didn't, see what I said above. Why did he not kill him when they were 'one on one'? Why was he protesting to Maura that Adlet wasn't the seventh? Why did he have so much shock in his eyes when he asked Maura whether she was the 7th? Acting is one thing, but if you doubt these facts, then you're saying that this studio is bad as show, don't tell. "Ofc, Adlet is completely out of the question" again, you are judging this story based on "stories like these". If this author doesn't write cliche plot, then it's not completely impossible he won't make a unexpected twist and make Adlet the seventh, brainwash or whatever. so Adlet isn't out of the question yet. Ayyyyy, does no one fully read my posts? Also, Adlet is pretty out of the question. :/ We saw him getting the crest at the start of the anime. >.> After which there was no room for brainwashing as Nacchan came like 1 second after he got the crest. He's innocent. Lastly, the eighth doesn't mean an eighth person. Adlet had explained it already. The eighth is the person who helps activate the barrier, not a literal eighth person. Well, no. Like I said, the eighth would have to still be in the barrier. Seriously, does no one read my posts? This is bullying. :I And there might be an 8th brave. It's not like rules are made to be broken, or anything. ttcchen said: darboux said: ttcchen said: mira-nyan said: apokaliz500 said: Random theory: What if Hans activated it? Let's say that Lauren really works with fiends and didn't tell Braves you can actually repogram the temple when you go inside legally and use the sword? If you can reprogram it and Hans did it, that's what could happen: 1. Mora gets the key from Lauren 2 days before activation. (fact) 2. She meets with Hans day later (fact) from now what COULD happen: 3. During the night (between day earlier and today) when Mora is asleep, Hans secretly steals the key, goes to the temple, opens the door with a key, reprograms temple to activate a fog the moment someone braks the door seal, then goes and closes the door (it was Hans who said you cannot close it, and if he's the bad guy he could lie about that), goes back to Mora and put the key where it was. 4. Hans and Mora proceed to the temple the next day with Mora not being aware of anything. Except Hans is innocent, imo. Hans seems pretty clean. Plus, in stories like these, the most suspicious at the start(Hans and Fremie) are the least likely to be the perpetrator. And the least likely at the start(Adlet, Nacchan, Maura) are the most likely to be the fake. Ofc, Adlet is completely out of the question, but if his theory is correct, then Nacchan and Maura could be the 7th and 8th. Tho, I'm confused how there can be an 8th when there're only 7 of them. Unless someone else is in the field? Or there was never an actual 6th brave? Maybe the 6th doesn't even know they're the 6th and hasn't arrived yet. :/ I disagree with nearly everything you had just said. "Hans is innocent." How do you know? Do you have evidence to back up your claim? "Hans seems pretty clean." you even said it yourself, he seems clean "Plus, in stories like these, the most suspicious at the start(Hans and Fremie) are the least likely to be the perpetrator." have you not learned from the past episodes that the author of this story doesn't do cliche plots? Instead of writing a simple hero fight demon lord story, he turned it into a mystery. instead of Adlet falling for the first girl that showed up, he fell for a cold killer. instead of a cute loli, he gave the loli puking power. You should have realized by now that you shouldn't judge this story based on what "stories like these" are like. "Ofc, Adlet is completely out of the question" again, you are judging this story based on "stories like these". If this author doesn't write cliche plot, then it's not completely impossible he won't make a unexpected twist and make Adlet the seventh, brainwash or whatever. so Adlet isn't out of the question yet. Lastly, the eighth doesn't mean an eighth person. Adlet had explained it already. The eighth is the person who helps activate the barrier, not a literal eighth person. Twist is one thing but ***pull is another.... I not know much about mystery novels/shows/movies but i think you need to have hints/clues as to how the suspect did it.Even if it is sth small it should be there.If hans is the one or even adlet there's no hint tbh about it or some theory that does not sound like an ***pull. For example the other guy's theory about Hans it implies alot of stuff that are not possible.(reprograming the altar to activate the right time etc.The altar was not shown to have mechanic parts or was hinted,also Hans would have needed to travel alot of hours and back and Maura never once woke up,besides maura said she met him on her way so chances of stopping to sleep were low.Also we know from the way the barrier was made the moment the barrier is activated fog covers everything,flamie showed what was burried and said so.So the barrier was not activated when the doors exploded and hans couldnt have known......) Adlet theory still would be lame and ****pull,memory wiped/manipulation by who and how?we were shown how he got the tatoo,we were shown that he did not aproach the altar only after the fog appeared so how did he activate it....etc Dont take it personally but according to what you say about not been able to prove a theory then ok here's some of them : 1)in RNY world there is an alien race from outer space that activated the barrier as soon as the braves entered because they sided with the demon king to take over the earth.Can you prove it wrong? 2) Some of the heroes has teleport ability.He teleported in activated the barrier and out. again can you prove it wrong? Sorry but i dont think a writter would be that bad to make his first volume LN based completely on mystery only to be solved with an ***pull..... Again i can be completely wrong and there is some inteligent way to prove otherwise for example about hans or adlet and there are hints to point to such a theory that we havent seen.But i think at least 1 viewer would actually have made one theory about it... No I can't prove it wrong. because I can't, it's possible. who knows? just patiently wait for the truth to be revealed. the point of my post is to let you guys know to don't judge things too quickly based on other cliche stories. only think of a character as innocent when you have evidence Except I'm not. You've just misunderstood me. Okay, real speculation time. Lets say Hans WAS hired by the fiends to assassinate the braves. Lets say he DOES stoop low enough to want to end the world in exchange for money or goods that won't be worth anything, anyway after the demon god destroys there. Why would he let Adlet go when he had the chance to kill him? Why would he go onto Adlet's side when he might get mistaken as the 7th like Adlet was? Why would he show his attack style? Why would he risk his life against Chamot for some guy that he's gonna kill anyway? Why would he have a one to one with Adlet, exposing what look like his true nature? If this IS an assassination, why would he go through all that trouble? He could just turn everyone against each other, getting them to kill themselves. If he WAS sent to assassinate them, why didn't he just go with Chamot's plan? He's an assassin, there's nothing saying he can't catch and defeat Maura by surprise. Why would he help Adlet for the cost of his own life? What is the point in showing so many realistic emotions? Or do you think that every assassin is the best actor in the world? Or perhaps you think he's the smartest person in that world? Why would his and Maura's words go together perfectly? They clearly disagree with each other on everything but the way the barrier and seals work in general, so there's no way they can be working with each other. Chamot is untrained. As fast as her skills probably were in the LN(from what I've heard), his beheading her when she's looking away could easily defeat the most threatening person. Why didn't he do that? Why has, a supposed assassin, done so many dumb, OOC things for an assassin? Why has he risked his life? Why would he side with his enemy? To gain their trust? What's that worth, really? Gain Adlet's trust --> Ends up being put in the same level as Adlet --> Ends up being hunted down. Why would he make such an unnecessarily complicated plan? When he doesn't even know how the braves are? See? Innocent. :D Tho the real question about him: Why does he pretend not to know Nacchan. Oh, yeah, about that, too. He made a slip, saying 'princess' at the start, then pretending he didn't know her later. There's no way he can be as calculating as you make him up to be. If he IS the assassin, and it has only been 1-2 days since the barrier activated, how would he make such a complicated plan? If he was a genius assassin, the whole continent would certainly know his name, like people know the name of the brave killer, but they don't. Why? Maybe he's NOT a genius? Maybe he's not smart enough to completely unravel the character of 6 others in 2(for Maura) or 1-2 days? Maybe, since he's not smart enough to do that, there's no way he's the mastermind of all this? Since he's not the mastermind, by default he is not the Faker? Hmm. Maybe he's totally innocent and I'm right cuz I'm aweshumbecause I've just shown you how? Hmm. How odd. :P You wouldn't even believe how many times I've re-asked all these questions. Even had a discussion with like 13 other people. It's not a hypothesis made up of only 'this is normally this, so I guess this is gonna be this'. Serious tho, I'm gonna guess, if Nacchan's story about her dad commissioning to get her killed in the past is correct, Hans was just one of the possibly many assassins sent to find and kill her. Which would explain how he knew her. Zalmox1s said: Maura said something interesting after she reported that Hans has been injured : "This will finally spur the princess to action". This very sentence gave me a whole new perspective towards Maura. Does she suspect the princess and her actions are solely made to provoke Nashetania to reveal herself as the seventh? Or, you know, she just wants Nacchan to join her side? It's not like she's super eager to kill Adlet or anything. Ah, writing texts walls is forever fun~ :^) If I wake up with something else to say, I will add it. >.> |
mira-pyonSep 6, 2015 4:55 PM
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Sep 6, 2015 4:41 PM
#361
apokaliz500 said: darboux said: Its not imposible but there is nothing to hint towards that.A scene for example when the braves where doing stuff on the altar something moving or some lever or w/e else there is nothing.So yes its not imposible but it is for me an ***pull... Also how on earth Hans guessed the excact time?The fog came up quite a few moments the doors exploded......He ran inside temple,then out chased by the guards then fought them and after while the fiend dissapeared the fog came up.....(will need rewatch the episode,but think thats how it happened) Also you say Maura said yesterday so if they needed to sleep before they arrived at the temple at best the temple would alot of Hours time ahead.So Hans traveled so fast to the temple and back while Maura was sleeping?Also Maura would be so comfortable sleeping while an assasin next to her? Also another thing.....Hans could have killed maura.If maura was so sound asleep that he could steal the key from her sliting her throat would be easy.And that way is more efficient and less risky for him.Maura could have woken to take a piss and notice the key was missing not to mention if he killed her noone would suspect him?Not to mention he could have stayed outside the barrier so the heroes would be trapped forever and just 5 of them the first thing they would think would be one of them killed the 6th and trapped and still kill each other???? Sorry man it seem like an ***pull to me.Can i prove it 100% wrong no. Actually like HandSomeMan said there are writters and stories like that.And in fact the Alien race example is something that i have seen.An ln with alot of volumes ended by having aliens coming down killing everyone without having any hint before it happened.And it was an ancient fantasy setting like this one so it was the most lame type of ****pull ending lol. The time saint tho you mention it could be.Because it was actually mentioned.But still the barrier that way could never be canceled lol.The saint pops it on and goes outside the range and lets time go.So why are there 7 braves?Even with just 6 they would still kill each other,and how on earth are they gonna come out of the barrier lol. Again, I'm aware of the flaws of the "Hans reprogrammed altair" theory, the main one being no hint it's doable, but the strength of that theory is that I didn't see any better (though now we have the Time Saint theory, which IS better). In my idea Hans didn't guess the exact time. In my idea altair is magical so it can listen to orders, so Hans could say "activate the moment door is opened/a few seconds after". Like I said, those are sure some storng assumptions, but those were never proven wrong in the series so it is possible. Again, I absolutely understand it souns like an asspul, and again I proposed this theory because I didn't have any better. Do we have an info how far EXACTLY the meeting point or wherever they could spent the night in was? Because wuthout that, we cannot be sure if it took many hours or not. Not to mention that Hans is kinda fast. Maura could be comfortable even with assassin if said assassin was a Brave. He was pretty much her comrade by definition. The thing about fake killing a Brave where they're alone with one is troubling because I think every of the seven was at least once alone with someone during those 9 episodes. So with that argumentation we would have to assume that none of the 7 has any evil intentions. But, like people said numerous times, already, seventh's objective may be to try to make the 6 kill each other so more than one is dead before seventh is revealed. And yes, even if 6 gather with the fake being one of them, they'll know that one Brave is dead because there will be one petal on the crest missing. About Time Saint going outside the range - Fremy said Saints powers aren't unlimited. So the assumption she can freeze time for 10 minutes for example, but not for long enough to leave the big forest is very valid. If there were only 6 braves and one would be framed as a traitor, they would assume he was just true Brave that betrayed them and now there are 5 left and the case is closed. Then they would have a problem since the barrier is still active, but if Saint of Time didn't leave the forest it would be only a matter of time until the hunger tortures her (that forest doesn't really look like it has anything edible) and she deactivates the barrier so she can run away from the forest to some city to finally eat something. Fiends may be aware of that, so they sent 7th. With 7th, Braves will authomatically assume 7th = bad guy. If they kill Adlet but notice he wasn't 7th (one petal disappears) they'll think they were wrong that Adlet did it so they start to look for another person to kill, possibly killing most of Braves in the process. And that would happen before Saint of Time gets hungry enough to deactivate the barrier. I mean, hunger argument may sound silly, but I think it's kinda realistic considering that she's a human and all. But still if the altar was very few hours even lets say 2 hours close,dont think they would choose to sleep they would prolly go the destination.Also Maura prolly asked hans who he was and what he did.Hans couldnt have lied because when they were telling their ''life'' story on top of the altar hans said he was an assasin,if he had lied to maura she would have called him out on it.... Also killing her again would be best.Even if we assume the temple was close and maura still decided to sleep with an assasin next to her because he was a brave,she could have woken up for any reason.....take a piss/bugs/noise from the forest or w/e else......killing her would be safer and also if he killed her and stayed out of the temple the braves would still kill each other and he wouldnt need to worry about the hunger stuff you say ;p.IF he killed her then it would be just 5 braves inside the temple......So that immediately makes you think 1 of us killed the sixth and trapped us....kill him and we free.I said Hans killing maura and NOT going inside the barrier.That would make 5 braves in still killing each other trapped forever... About the time saint true his abilities would have limits.But the time saint that was mentioned was the one that killed the demon king 300 years ago.If a saint can stay Immortal or live for 300 years (prolly by freezing his own time?) he prolly wouldnt have trouble about being hungry or he prolly would be strong enough to keep the time (stop?) till he gets out of the range. Unless there is a new Time saint but maura supposed to know all the saints (except flammie that was made from fiends). About the Hunger argument its funny in an interesting way lol. But i think they are in a forest so Bugs/Plants/Fruits wont say animals because we werent shown any.Also if the saint planned this its obvious she would have hidden somewhere in the forest some supplies if there were no living creatures like bugs/small animals or even edible plants..... I just hope the mystery wont be solved using ***pulls it would really kill the show for me ^^. |
Sep 6, 2015 4:45 PM
#362
mira-nyan said: ttcchen said: Adlet should cut his hair NOH! His hair is beautiful. D: omg no. please no. never. Leave za hair alone!!!!! Reminds me of Luke from Tales of the Abyss :( Except he still looked good with shorter hair but still! No, leave the long red locks please! |
Sep 6, 2015 4:47 PM
#363
ttcchen said: No I can't prove it wrong. because I can't, it's possible. who knows? just patiently wait for the truth to be revealed. the point of my post is to let you guys know to don't judge things too quickly based on other cliche stories. only think of a character as innocent when you have evidence But thats why replied to your post.You can prove they didnt do it,unless the author makes a complete ***pull that cant be explained. People have evidence But you can always What IF ''insert random thing based on nothing'' then they innocent. Example: for adlet : the fog came up when he was not around the altar.The guards chased him away before he got to the altar.So he couldnt have activated.Also he is not the 7th because we saw how he got the tatoo. But '''What if'' The show only show us what adlet thought it happened but mysteriously he had his memories altered in just few seconds by someone uknown and he was indeed the one that activated the barrier. Also the moment he got his tatoo he also had his memories altered so he thinks he got a real brave mark. So the whole mystery is just the writter trolling us!!! See if you start ''what if insert random bs'' you cant prove it XD |
darbouxSep 6, 2015 5:00 PM
Sep 6, 2015 5:30 PM
#364
The confession part felt kinda forced and was sorta boring, but with that and proving Flamie's innocence, it's awesome that Flamie finally believes him! Although it looks like Nashetania is his enemy... So Maura is a total b*tch because she lied to try and get Adlet killed. Because Chamot doesn't look as much of the seventh brave now, I now think that Maura is the 7th brave. But Nashetania and Goldov are as suspicious as ever. |
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Sep 6, 2015 5:31 PM
#365
I don't think Maura is the 7th. Given how late it is in the series, this 7th must be extremely manipulative and smart to avoid everybody's suspicion and even detective Han. Observations @ 07:00 Maura gives orders to Chamot to watch Hans. @ 07:11 Chammot gets ready to puke fiends when Maura stops her. @ 07:19 Maura puts on scary face to put Chammot in place. @ 07:22 Chammot seems to be scared of Maura and obeys without objection. @ 07:27 Apparently Chammot got a spanking from Maura. @ 07:34 Chammot without questioning Maura, carries out Maura's order. @ 07:39 Hans assumes Maura is much more OP than Chammot, after seeing Chammot follow Maura's order instantly. @ 07:46 Chammot admits she may be OP but Maura is OP and scary. @ 08:45 Maura tells a lie to others with her Saint Mountain powers that Adlet wounded Hans. @ 08:48 Hans was caught on surprise when one of Chammot's fiend tentacle latches onto his left wrist. @ 08:50 Hans jumps away from Maura. @ 08:57 Chammot has already puked some fiends out. @ 09:01 Chammot wants to inflict harm onto Hans and Chammot looks unhappy. @ 09:05 Maura interrupts Chammot's thought and stops Chammot's plan to torture Hans. @ 09:13 Hans suspect Maura to be the 7th. Key Points
My Deduction If Maura is indeed the 7th then instead of stopping Chammot's plan of toturing Hans, Maura would order Chammot to injure Hans enough but not necessarily to kill him so Hans won't be able to hinder her plan of killing the traitor Adlet. And yet Maura stops Chammot and orders her to just watch Hans. Even if Chammot was to question Maura's order, Maura could unhesitantly say Hans has already been brainwashed by Adlet by believing in Adlet of not being the 7th and Hans might do something stupid like going to save Adlet which will wrecked her plan. IMPORTANT
tl:dr Maura is a dumb fuck who does not consider the possiblity of blame shifting. I believe Maura is not the 7th from above points. tl:dr My deduction is based on the assumption that our MC Adlet is not the 7th. tl:dr My deduction does not also include the Demon God's theory. And also 1st time here, sorry not knowing what should be consider as spoilers. Sorry if I spoil anything and hello MAL :) |
Sep 6, 2015 5:36 PM
#366
"That was fun. I'm going to kill you, adlet-san" Fuck you bitch! You are unreasonable and weak as fuck anyway. |
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Sep 6, 2015 5:38 PM
#367
This anime. I really don't know why I'm still watching. The promise of fighting against the demon lord? Where did that go? And it's been clear that Maura is the seventh since she asked Hans to see his mark to check if Adlet was still alive. Why couldn't she check her own? And the lie in this episode, just confirms it. |
Sep 6, 2015 5:39 PM
#368
The mystery in Rokka vol 1 isn't who did it, but rather how they managed to frame Adlet and activate the barrier. Literally, any of the characters could have done it. It could be Mora, Goldof, Chamo, the Princess, or even Hans. It's great that everyone has their own ideas on who the perpetrator is, but not enough people are giving ideas on how it was done. SalumoN said: This anime. I really don't know why I'm still watching. The promise of fighting against the demon lord? Where did that go? And it's been clear that Maura is the seventh since she asked Hans to see his mark to check if Adlet was still alive. Why couldn't she check her own? And the lie in this episode, just confirms it. She asks Hans to check it cause she can't twist her neck 180 degrees to check it on her back. And really, it's be 10 episodes and you're still hoping it's going to be an adventuring series? |
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Sep 6, 2015 5:41 PM
#369
Sep 6, 2015 5:49 PM
#370
"I have some stupid theory that the fog that appeared wasn't a barrier just normal fog create through alchemy/chemistry that action was suppose to gather all flowers(;p) inside a temple and then set a real barrier that would lead us to 3 suspect: Adlet , Nashetania , Goldov ( yeah Fremy was there but she never was near a shrine) that would also prove that Mora, Hans ,Chammot are real flowers because they wasn't near the shrine when barrier was rising . Yeah Mora was checking a shrine but at that time we saw Adlet and Hans checking barrier in forest (episode 5).. Also i take as a true what Hans and Mora says about door soo the 7 wanted to someone other than him to enter a temple ( that person will become the most suspicious in other eyes ) everyone remembered when Nashetania told Adlet to go to the temple first (episode 4) .. my bet (50$;p) is on Nashetania i still can't figure how did she activate a barrier" <<<< im still sticking to my theory from episode 6 xD |
Sep 6, 2015 5:53 PM
#371
Mora probably not the 7th, she's just extremely narrow minded and dumb af. I still believe the Princess is the culprit. She's acting too innocent |
Sep 6, 2015 6:02 PM
#372
Tengoku_no_hakai said: Mora probably not the 7th, she's just extremely narrow minded and dumb af. I still believe the Princess is the culprit. She's acting too innocent I honestly wish this anime was more subtle about this. I mean I understand it's probably marketed towards the shounen demographic, but they are giving away way too many hints. In fact they aren't even hints anymore, just blatant overreactions from the characters. The real satisfaction comes from plot twists that you would never expect. I'm sure the LNs made a better job at this. |
Sep 6, 2015 6:04 PM
#373
I still believe Nachetanya is the 7th and is manipulating Goldov...that breakdown from Nache felt kinda forced IMO. |
Sep 6, 2015 6:13 PM
#374
LMAO ADLET JUST WANTED TO DRILL THAT FUCKING KAWAII FREMYCHAN I KNEW IT. But yeah i saw that coming a mile away, he just needed to get on with saying "my reason is because i wanna fuck your brains out" or something along the lines of "I just wanna feel your underboob you sexy ass grill. Hilarious though, the misunderstandings. Also they should name this show from Rokka no Yuusha to Rokka no FINDING THE 7TH FUCKER Retarded as fuck wasting half the show at the temple and finding the traitor. Dumb As FUCK. LMAO how are they going to even finish off the series with 2 episodes left, still needs to defeat bunny yandere chan. But lmao its ok because we only need the last minute of the last episode to kill off the Demon Lord right? Go into the base and just tap him so he dies. No pre-bosses or shit like that? So dumb they really need to rename the show. Overall it gave me a fucking jolly good chuckle aka i laughed the shit outa me since it was so cringy and ironically lame/retarded. But I liked it, whats wrong with me. Anyways, 5/5 that was fucking hilarious. NOW GO FUCK FREMYCHAN!! MAKE HER SUCK UR DICK THEN SHE'LL DEFINITELY BELIEVE YOU. LMAO. |
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Sep 6, 2015 6:14 PM
#375
ViciLockhart said: Perhaps in episode 4, Princess wasn't flipping the fuck out but intentionally activating the barrier, and if we go down Adlet's theory of the soldier at the fortress was working with the traitor Brave then perhaps Princess's chant was really the activation chant. By breaking the tablet could permanently stop anybody from reversing the activation."I have some stupid theory that the fog that appeared wasn't a barrier just normal fog create through alchemy/chemistry that action was suppose to gather all flowers(;p) inside a temple and then set a real barrier that would lead us to 3 suspect: Adlet , Nashetania , Goldov ( yeah Fremy was there but she never was near a shrine) that would also prove that Mora, Hans ,Chammot are real flowers because they wasn't near the shrine when barrier was rising . Yeah Mora was checking a shrine but at that time we saw Adlet and Hans checking barrier in forest (episode 5).. Also i take as a true what Hans and Mora says about door soo the 7 wanted to someone other than him to enter a temple ( that person will become the most suspicious in other eyes ) everyone remembered when Nashetania told Adlet to go to the temple first (episode 4) .. my bet (50$;p) is on Nashetania i still can't figure how did she activate a barrier" <<<< im still sticking to my theory from episode 6 xD And if we don't go down Adlet's theory but go back to Episode 1 @ 19:58 - @ 20:23 we could see Nashtania controlling the short blade Adlet found in his death cell from a distance before dispersing it as energy. Also in Episode 5, we see Nashetania suddenly feel tired, I'm guessing it could be from controlling the sacred sword in the temple from a distance which may require more power because longer distance and somehow control it in a way to activate the barrier. Seeing Chammot's fiends are able to go through the temple's barrier, Nashetania's energy sword would not be blocked out as they are part of a Saint. Here is when I say the fake human leaning outside at the temple's walls is in a female form and earlier in Episode 1 @ 07:53 Nashetania summarizes that Adlet is not good with woman. Coincidences? Maybe. My theory on how Nashetania activates the barrier from a distance could be she energizes the dead fiend's claws into an energy hand and given Fremy, Goldof and Adlet are busy fighting they might not notice what Nashetania is doing especially when Nashetania is standing behind everyone throwing energy swords. So here we assume the soldier at the fortress is legit. The energy hand and energy sword can perhaps let Nashetania effectively activate the barrier without physically being there. Remember what Hans complained in Episode 9? "Ugh, so these fiends been in a Saint's stomach for so long, they are become a part of Saint and so the barrier does nothing" So if we assume Nashetania is a traitor and working with Fiends. We could assume the Fiends dropping bombs be their signals to each other. E.g. fiends keep dropping bombs until a Brave arrives at the temple then stop dropping bombs and form a fake woman to execute the blame shifting plan. When bombs stopped, Nashetania creates an energy sword and hand and waits until Adlet opens the door. After Adlet opens the door, the fake human did not just reveal its form but rather takes its time to laugh awhile (2-3 secs) hoping to catch Adlet's attention which it did. Nashetania could then control the sacred sword from the altar and move it and put the energy hand onto the altar and say the chant from a distance and immediately disperse her swords leaving no traces. The reason in episode 5 that Nashetania could be tired may be because she cannot fully predict when Adlet might open the door and hence have to hold her energy forms, using up her energy in the process, until Adlet opens the door. |
Sep 6, 2015 6:19 PM
#376
kingsheep812 said: LMAO ADLET JUST WANTED TO DRILL THAT FUCKING KAWAII FREMYCHAN I KNEW IT. But yeah i saw that coming a mile away, he just needed to get on with saying "my reason is because i wanna fuck your brains out" or something along the lines of "I just wanna feel your underboob you sexy ass grill. Hilarious though, the misunderstandings. Also they should name this show from Rokka no Yuusha to Rokka no FINDING THE 7TH FUCKER Retarded as fuck wasting half the show at the temple and finding the traitor. Dumb As FUCK. LMAO how are they going to even finish off the series with 2 episodes left, still needs to defeat bunny yandere chan. But lmao its ok because we only need the last minute of the last episode to kill off the Demon Lord right? Go into the base and just tap him so he dies. No pre-bosses or shit like that? So dumb they really need to rename the show. Overall it gave me a fucking jolly good chuckle aka i laughed the shit outa me since it was so cringy and ironically lame/retarded. But I liked it, whats wrong with me. Anyways, 5/5 that was fucking hilarious. NOW GO FUCK FREMYCHAN!! MAKE HER SUCK UR DICK THEN SHE'LL DEFINITELY BELIEVE YOU. LMAO. 'Kay, SAO fanboy. |
Sep 6, 2015 6:24 PM
#377
kingsheep812 said: LMAO ADLET JUST WANTED TO DRILL THAT FUCKING KAWAII FREMYCHAN I KNEW IT. But yeah i saw that coming a mile away, he just needed to get on with saying "my reason is because i wanna fuck your brains out" or something along the lines of "I just wanna feel your underboob you sexy ass grill. Hilarious though, the misunderstandings. Also they should name this show from Rokka no Yuusha to Rokka no FINDING THE 7TH FUCKER Retarded as fuck wasting half the show at the temple and finding the traitor. Dumb As FUCK. LMAO how are they going to even finish off the series with 2 episodes left, still needs to defeat bunny yandere chan. But lmao its ok because we only need the last minute of the last episode to kill off the Demon Lord right? Go into the base and just tap him so he dies. No pre-bosses or shit like that? So dumb they really need to rename the show. Overall it gave me a fucking jolly good chuckle aka i laughed the shit outa me since it was so cringy and ironically lame/retarded. But I liked it, whats wrong with me. Anyways, 5/5 that was fucking hilarious. NOW GO FUCK FREMYCHAN!! MAKE HER SUCK UR DICK THEN SHE'LL DEFINITELY BELIEVE YOU. LMAO. Why do people like you exist? |
Sep 6, 2015 6:46 PM
#378
kingsheep812 said: LMAO ADLET JUST WANTED TO DRILL THAT FUCKING KAWAII FREMYCHAN I KNEW IT. But yeah i saw that coming a mile away, he just needed to get on with saying "my reason is because i wanna fuck your brains out" or something along the lines of "I just wanna feel your underboob you sexy ass grill. Hilarious though, the misunderstandings. Also they should name this show from Rokka no Yuusha to Rokka no FINDING THE 7TH FUCKER Retarded as fuck wasting half the show at the temple and finding the traitor. Dumb As FUCK. LMAO how are they going to even finish off the series with 2 episodes left, still needs to defeat bunny yandere chan. But lmao its ok because we only need the last minute of the last episode to kill off the Demon Lord right? Go into the base and just tap him so he dies. No pre-bosses or shit like that? So dumb they really need to rename the show. Overall it gave me a fucking jolly good chuckle aka i laughed the shit outa me since it was so cringy and ironically lame/retarded. But I liked it, whats wrong with me. Anyways, 5/5 that was fucking hilarious. NOW GO FUCK FREMYCHAN!! MAKE HER SUCK UR DICK THEN SHE'LL DEFINITELY BELIEVE YOU. LMAO. |
Sep 6, 2015 6:47 PM
#379
Man, this show really took a while to get going but once it did it was 8/10 territory. Excellent episode this week. My money is on Princess or Goldov. Maura is too obvious. |
Sep 6, 2015 7:00 PM
#380
Meeow123 said: Could be i assuming as well that Lauren(ithink it was his name) lied to braves so after barrier activation turn them in confusion only 7 knew how to activate it ..Lauren give Mora a key so other braves can accuse her or she will enter the temple and becomes wictim as well.. Hime send Adlet to temple to make him potentional 7 for others ( if he enter the temple )... but i will stick to my theory that first was normal fog create by Alchemy for example and barrier was activated when they was inside .. i rewatch episode 4 and barrier activate Bunny with words "I will be the mistress of the barrier"ViciLockhart said: Perhaps in episode 4, Princess wasn't flipping the fuck out but intentionally activating the barrier, and if we go down Adlet's theory of the soldier at the fortress was working with the traitor Brave then perhaps Princess's chant was really the activation chant. By breaking the tablet could permanently stop anybody from reversing the activation."I have some stupid theory that the fog that appeared wasn't a barrier just normal fog create through alchemy/chemistry that action was suppose to gather all flowers(;p) inside a temple and then set a real barrier that would lead us to 3 suspect: Adlet , Nashetania , Goldov ( yeah Fremy was there but she never was near a shrine) that would also prove that Mora, Hans ,Chammot are real flowers because they wasn't near the shrine when barrier was rising . Yeah Mora was checking a shrine but at that time we saw Adlet and Hans checking barrier in forest (episode 5).. Also i take as a true what Hans and Mora says about door soo the 7 wanted to someone other than him to enter a temple ( that person will become the most suspicious in other eyes ) everyone remembered when Nashetania told Adlet to go to the temple first (episode 4) .. my bet (50$;p) is on Nashetania i still can't figure how did she activate a barrier" <<<< im still sticking to my theory from episode 6 xD And if we don't go down Adlet's theory but go back to Episode 1 @ 19:58 - @ 20:23 we could see Nashtania controlling the short blade Adlet found in his death cell from a distance before dispersing it as energy. Also in Episode 5, we see Nashetania suddenly feel tired, I'm guessing it could be from controlling the sacred sword in the temple from a distance which may require more power because longer distance and somehow control it in a way to activate the barrier. Seeing Chammot's fiends are able to go through the temple's barrier, Nashetania's energy sword would not be blocked out as they are part of a Saint. Here is when I say the fake human leaning outside at the temple's walls is in a female form and earlier in Episode 1 @ 07:53 Nashetania summarizes that Adlet is not good with woman. Coincidences? Maybe. My theory on how Nashetania activates the barrier from a distance could be she energizes the dead fiend's claws into an energy hand and given Fremy, Goldof and Adlet are busy fighting they might not notice what Nashetania is doing especially when Nashetania is standing behind everyone throwing energy swords. So here we assume the soldier at the fortress is legit. The energy hand and energy sword can perhaps let Nashetania effectively activate the barrier without physically being there. Remember what Hans complained in Episode 9? "Ugh, so these fiends been in a Saint's stomach for so long, they are become a part of Saint and so the barrier does nothing" So if we assume Nashetania is a traitor and working with Fiends. We could assume the Fiends dropping bombs be their signals to each other. E.g. fiends keep dropping bombs until a Brave arrives at the temple then stop dropping bombs and form a fake woman to execute the blame shifting plan. When bombs stopped, Nashetania creates an energy sword and hand and waits until Adlet opens the door. After Adlet opens the door, the fake human did not just reveal its form but rather takes its time to laugh awhile (2-3 secs) hoping to catch Adlet's attention which it did. Nashetania could then control the sacred sword from the altar and move it and put the energy hand onto the altar and say the chant from a distance and immediately disperse her swords leaving no traces. The reason in episode 5 that Nashetania could be tired may be because she cannot fully predict when Adlet might open the door and hence have to hold her energy forms, using up her energy in the process, until Adlet opens the door. |
Sep 6, 2015 7:17 PM
#381
What if what we saw of Adlet recieving the tatoo was just his imagination because he is actually a pyscho. this possibility could make him a candidate of 7. But so much spoiler on the comment section like someone saying that we will see why someone behave like the way the behave now in volume 3/4, doesn't this imply that they will be alive until then?. Again the theory of adlet ,the 7th, can be considered also because of the handshake with the guardian(lauren?) of the tower and after that in the next scene flamie says: 'i was thinking'. That also put some suspect. Another possibiility is that little girl:she tear the petal of the flower after saying she would go to play outside and if you notice there were actually 6 petal on the flower. Coincidence ?. But thinking about what lauren(the guardian) said :that only who have been blessed can survive the poison of the demon land. probably it is going to end like: they find the way through the fognand they decide to go all 7 and the fake eventually die because of the poison. Nobody dies. happy ending This is just a theory. |
UsermanSep 7, 2015 2:49 AM
Sep 6, 2015 7:23 PM
#382
Fantastic episode, best yet. Surprising too |
Sep 6, 2015 7:24 PM
#383
Hmmm, I'm still gonna go with the assumption that the fake is still Nashetanya. I mean, what If she just wanted an excuse to get out of the castle and explore the world, and go on adventures with possible thrills. just for the excitement? And having the brave crest was her ticket out? where there would be no one, no guards or anything from the castle to keep eyes on her? But it probably got ruined when Goldov arrived, since she instantly lost all of her excitement and wasn't to happy to see him the moment he showed up. she was probably having fun trying to see how Adelet would go about the situation of him being accused as a fake, running for his life. but since he dissapointed her she found It time to get rid of him(meh, Idk, this is probably just my naive thinking) OR She literally just snapped since he 'apparently' betrayed her so now she wants to off him. My other guess Is still Goldov. We'v barely gotten to know him, and the only times he's talked Is to either argue/pick a fight with Adelet, or just questioning him to Nashetanya. Outside of those scenerios, he's mostly only being observing everyone else(mostly Adelet).And like someone else stated, from before he met up with Nashetanya to when he did, he was probably organizing a way to get one of the braves killed(possibly siding with the demons). I have no reason to believe that It was Maura anymore. especially after this episode. But she obviously has some problems If she still so dead set on Adelet being the fake. Though now that I think about It, she reminds me of Flamie. The way that she's just so convinced that Adelet is the fake, just like how Flamie was trying so hard not to trust others anymore, because of the people that betrayed her. For all I know Maura is the same way somehow or to some degree. Also still have no reasons to believe that Hans,Flamie or Chamot Is the fake.....but god do I still hate Chamot. TL;DR - Nashetanya and Goldov are the only possible suspects |
AshuraSanSep 6, 2015 7:35 PM
Sep 6, 2015 7:39 PM
#384
AshuraSan said: Hmmm, I'm still gonna go with the assumption that the fake is still Nashetanya. I mean, what If she just wanted an excuse to get out of the castle and explore the world, and go on adventures with possible thrills. just for the excitement? And having the brave crest was her ticket out? where there would be no one, no guards or anything from the castle to keep eyes on her? But it probably got ruined when Goldov arrived, since she instantly lost all of her excitement and wasn't to happy to see him the moment he showed up. she was probably having fun trying to see how Adelet would go about the situation of him being accused as a fake, running for his life. but since he dissapointed her she found It time to get rid of him(meh, Idk, this is probably just my naive thinking) OR She literally just snapped since he 'apparently' betrayed her so now she wants to off him. My other guess Is still Goldov. We'v barely gotten to know him, and the only times he's talked Is to either argue/pick a fight with Adelet, or just questioning him to Nashetanya. Outside of those scenerios, he's mostly only being observing everyone else(mostly Adelet).And like someone else stated, from before he met up with Nashetanya to when he did, he was probably organizing a way to get one of the braves killed. I have no reason to believe that It was Maura anymore. especially after this episode. But she obviously has some problems If she still so dead set on Adelet being the fake. Also still have no reasons to believe that Hans, or Chamot Is the fake.....but god do I still hate Chamot. Maura plan could be like this: kill adelet because he doesn't seem powerful enough for the demon lord because she know that he used trick in the ep 1 fight. The assasin told us that the choosen are the strongest man/woman of the world so if he used 'tricks'he might probably be the fake one. Anyway If he is the brave then one of the petal of the tatoo should disappear and they eventually find the fake one if not she wins. |
UsermanSep 7, 2015 2:44 AM
Sep 6, 2015 8:03 PM
#385
Equitum said: g0tadman said: Wow that confession of love was forced! Adlet's actions throughout the entire anime relating to protecting Flamie felt a bit off, but you could have just assumed - hey, he's just a good guy that wants to protect his allies. Fast forward to episode 10 and wham, confession of love that felt very "out of nowhere". While that kinda sucked, kinda fun to watch Flamie actually develop and become more than a one note character. Love a good character arc. Was I the only one who wasn't surprised by the fact that Adlet is in love with Flamie, and confessed to her? Nope, it shows you were actually paying attention. People who didn't noticed should really go back and watch episode 3 and watch Adlet's reaction to when first meets her. |
Sep 6, 2015 8:29 PM
#386
wtf is going on, I don't even care who the seventh is at this point, this anime has totally lost my interest in the mystery for some reason...something this show is doing is really putting me off, usually I enjoy mysteries you know? anyway, the whole i love fremy thing is so stupid because it comes at a stupid time, it's not shocking or moving me at all. but watching fremy go through all these emotions in such a short period of time is, on the other hand, really interesting. |
Sep 6, 2015 8:50 PM
#387
DarcyD said: wtf is going on, I don't even care who the seventh is at this point, this anime has totally lost my interest in the mystery for some reason...something this show is doing is really putting me off, usually I enjoy mysteries you know? anyway, the whole i love fremy thing is so stupid because it comes at a stupid time, it's not shocking or moving me at all. but watching fremy go through all these emotions in such a short period of time is, on the other hand, really interesting. I suggest you go read the lightnovels.There, the characters change their emotions quite a lot, and their alliance too, for example "oh no there's clue someone is the traitor" , then BAM everyone tries to kill that person. Their bonding is strange. Also, I'll pm you a slight spoiler about what you said if you want to read it. |
miritar said: Wouldn't it be terrifying if the father was the teacher?? hope that would trigger a rerun. But, being how gung-ho his mother was at the beginning about him marrying.... it is possible that MC is the father. See... This is what happens when your otp is ripped mercilessly from your heart in a few pages and you don't even know what is going on anymore. |
Sep 6, 2015 9:29 PM
#388
Just reread the episode in LN form, and I like the LN's version better. Its minorly different but its more likable and has a better climax with Fremy's switch IMO. I won't say the difference (cause I don't know how to use spoilers) though. |
Sep 6, 2015 9:56 PM
#389
ViciLockhart said: Tylaen said: bad i was shipping Adlet with Hans ;pSo Adlet experienced a case of love at first sight? How inappropriate for the mission! Saaaaaame! I really want them to be a thing. I'm hoping maybe Flamie doesn't return her feelings so that can happen. Hans cares alot about Adlet even though they just started getting along haha XD. I think the princess is the 7th for sure. I actually suspected her before the anime came out. |
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Sep 6, 2015 10:49 PM
#390
...was not expecting that confession, Aldet is a real MAN ...last 2 episode |
Sep 6, 2015 11:42 PM
#391
NowOrNever88 said: Just reread the episode in LN form, and I like the LN's version better. Its minorly different but its more likable and has a better climax with Fremy's switch IMO. I won't say the difference (cause I don't know how to use spoilers) though. I read the first chapter of the LN but I am trying to hold off because I want the reveal to be in the anime :3 |
Sep 6, 2015 11:52 PM
#392
i was all for the whole mystery vibe... 3 episodes ago. this shit is dragging on and there's only 2 episodes left in the season. if this was 24 episodes, it wouldn't matter. but i hate that this is most likely going to end on a cliffhanger. |
Sep 7, 2015 12:00 AM
#393
Meeow123 said: tl:dr Maura is a dumb fuck who does not consider the possiblity of blame shifting. I believe Maura is not the 7th from above points. She's not dumb, but she can be manipulative. This is the same person that supposedly knows the name and face of each and every Saint. And the group trusts her too much for that. They all believe Lauren was telling the truth and, since they all have the same info about the barrier, then 'Maura can't be lying', so they would trust her. And blame has already shifted. Didn't Hans ask her if she was the 7th? Why is she so eager to kill Adlet? Ofc, there are multiple reasons that could be possible >She honestly believes he's the 7th because -She has a mental illness -She isn't the 7th >She is the 7th -Doesn't want Adlet to get mushy with everyone else and 'trick' them as 'genuine'. Plus, it's less of 'Maura did so and so' than it is 'since everyone else did this and this, Maura must be the perpetrator'. For all we know, she could be brainwashed by fiends. We don't even know if she has a mental problem that causes her to believe what she herself says. But since, afaik, imo, Hans, Fremie and Adlet are innocent. If Nacchan IS the culprit, then I can't help but think that Goldy knows this. >.> tl:dr My deduction is based on the assumption that our MC Adlet is not the 7th. Well, yeah, we saw him getting his mark in all it's glory. tl:dr My deduction does not also include the Demon God's theory. And also 1st time here, sorry not knowing what should be consider as spoilers. Sorry if I spoil anything and hello MAL :) Don't worry, speculations aren't and cant be spoilers^ Animepsp said: ...was not expecting that confession, Aldet is a real MAN ...last 2 episode Pls. Adlet realest man. |
mira-pyonSep 7, 2015 12:06 AM
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Sep 7, 2015 2:54 AM
#394
Adlet: "You're heart isn't something you can get rid of" Me: "Naraku did...He, like, turned his heart into a baby and...oh wait wrong anime xD DAAANG. I love this anime =D I'm glad it's Adlet/Fremy and not Adlet/Nachetanya. Adlet/Fremy seems like such a better pairing ^_^ Now the only ones on his side are Hans and Fremy. Which are my two favorite characters, so that's great. =D I'm surprised that even Nachetanya is against him now. So is it safe to assume Maura is the seventh? Because I'm gonna go with Maura...I think. Oh and I love the way they always hide little things in there. Like I noticed when Adlet and Hans were in the temple and Adlet was spraying stuff, then said "nothing" when Hans asked what he was doing. This series is complex in the clues and details =D I wonder if my theory will hold up about the eighth being one of them too, and the real sixth being missing...Eh I dunno anymore xD If that does happen though, the eighth would be Chamot probably. Meh I dunno. I wonder if there actually is an eighth...I haven't read the manga, so I'm just making all kinds of guesses xD |
BlackFox24Sep 7, 2015 3:17 AM
Sep 7, 2015 3:43 AM
#396
Ah, loved this episode :) Great confession by Adlet, and great reaction and eventual acceptance on Fremy's part. It's a bit unfortunate that the animation quality has dropped. Only thing keeping this anime from a solid 10. Most people's train of thought: Yuno Gasai goes full Yan-Yan - "Oh, she's so cute!" Nashetania goes full Yan-Yan - "Yep, she's suspicious af" lmao... |
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Sep 7, 2015 3:45 AM
#397
darboux said: But still if the altar was very few hours even lets say 2 hours close,dont think they would choose to sleep they would prolly go the destination.Also Maura prolly asked hans who he was and what he did.Hans couldnt have lied because when they were telling their ''life'' story on top of the altar hans said he was an assasin,if he had lied to maura she would have called him out on it.... Also killing her again would be best.Even if we assume the temple was close and maura still decided to sleep with an assasin next to her because he was a brave,she could have woken up for any reason.....take a piss/bugs/noise from the forest or w/e else......killing her would be safer and also if he killed her and stayed out of the temple the braves would still kill each other and he wouldnt need to worry about the hunger stuff you say ;p.IF he killed her then it would be just 5 braves inside the temple......So that immediately makes you think 1 of us killed the sixth and trapped us....kill him and we free.I said Hans killing maura and NOT going inside the barrier.That would make 5 braves in still killing each other trapped forever... About the time saint true his abilities would have limits.But the time saint that was mentioned was the one that killed the demon king 300 years ago.If a saint can stay Immortal or live for 300 years (prolly by freezing his own time?) he prolly wouldnt have trouble about being hungry or he prolly would be strong enough to keep the time (stop?) till he gets out of the range. Unless there is a new Time saint but maura supposed to know all the saints (except flammie that was made from fiends). About the Hunger argument its funny in an interesting way lol. But i think they are in a forest so Bugs/Plants/Fruits wont say animals because we werent shown any.Also if the saint planned this its obvious she would have hidden somewhere in the forest some supplies if there were no living creatures like bugs/small animals or even edible plants..... I just hope the mystery wont be solved using ***pulls it would really kill the show for me ^^. Actually they weren't planning to even go to that temple. They had a different place as a meet point and Mora and Hans only went to the temple because thay saw explosions. Which means the meeting point was actually very close to the temple. If Mora and Hans were spending the night at the meeting point, then Hans could easily do his night job within 1-2 hours. You know, the thing about being a liar isn't that you either tell the truth all the time or lie all the time. Fact that Hans was telling truth about his past doesn't mean he was telling truth about the door. I don't think that possibility of her waking up was such a problem. First, honestly how often does it happen? I, for one, usually don't wake up at night for such things. Mora is not a little kid so she needs to wake up to take a pee. And even if she woke up and didn't see Hans, he could come up with some excuse like "I couln't sleep, I took a walk". I mean sure, it's possible she would notice key being missing, but at night when she's barely conscious because she just woke up for a minute? I say that probability of her waking up was so low it was worth a shot. In that case they would kill only Adlet, since he's activated the temple = he killed 6th. Hans could be planning to make them kill more of them. Again, if we go with "this person was alone with someone and didn't kill them = they're not a bad one" then none of them is a bad one. The best thing we can do is assume that writer wanted 7th to assume it's bettrer to make Braves kill each other instead. No, you have the wrong idea about Saints. When one Saint dies/retires, the god of that Saint chooses another woman as a new Saint. So not only current Time Saint isn't Hayuha, there were other Time Saints between Hayuha and the current Time Saint. So no, there is no reason to think anybody froze themselves for 300 years. The argument with supplies is a good one, but on the other hand, supplies will run out at some point as well :P And I think that if Time Saint agreed to help the enemy, they had to promise her a lot of stuff in return, that includes trying to make it easier for her by making Braves kill each other quicker and that can be achieved by bringing the 7th into the game. |
apokaliz500Sep 7, 2015 4:18 AM
Sep 7, 2015 4:18 AM
#398
geralt said: Best episode yet and the fact that the animation was meh had absolutely no impact on how much I enjoyed it. Adlet's decision at the end not to escape baffled me, though. Did he really think surrendering would allow him to survive or was he just that confident about Flamie turning to his side? He doesn't really strike me as the type to accept death without trying everything and at that point he wasn't even backed into a corner that much, or at least not any more than he has been since episode 5. Adlet is the kind of person to do anything to achieve his goals. Ruining the 7th's plan (by proving Fremy is innocent), and protecting Fremy seemed good enough goals. He was probably getting desperate, with all his wounds and Fremy not trusting him. darboux said: I not know much about mystery novels/shows/movies but i think you need to have hints/clues as to how the suspect did it. By this point, we have quite enough of them. Adlet would have made a right guess this episode if he wasn't busy getting killed by Mora and Fremy. HandsomeMan said: darboux said: Sorry but i dont think a writter would be that bad to make his first volume LN based completely on mystery only to be solved with an ***pull..... You'd be surprised how often that happens. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of Volume 10 Adlet wakes up and realises it was all a dream. Then he makes coffee and goes to his job. He is a fresh banking intern in New York City after all, gotta give it your best! Oh, and he also has a date this afternoon with this girl who likes to dye her hair white and wear an eye-patch sometimes. The end. Then he realizes it is just an illusion made by demons to trap his mind, gets out and kicks a lot of ass. Zalmox1s said: Maura said something interesting after she reported that Hans has been injured : "This will finally spur the princess to action". This very sentence gave me a whole new perspective towards Maura. Does she suspect the princess and her actions are solely made to provoke Nashetania to reveal herself as the seventh? Unless Nashetania will say something like "sorry, Adlet, I'm the 7th, but you won't be able to tell anyone!" no set of actions on her part will prove she is the 7th. It is perfectly in-character for Nashetania to turn yandere, it is in-character for her to forget Mora has healing powers and won't leave an injured person behind... It's hard to predict what our unreliable princess will do. Especially since Mora doesn't know what goes though Nashetania's head at the moment. Meeow123 said: ViciLockhart said: Perhaps in episode 4, Princess wasn't flipping the fuck out but intentionally activating the barrier, and if we go down Adlet's theory of the soldier at the fortress was working with the traitor Brave then perhaps Princess's chant was really the activation chant. By breaking the tablet could permanently stop anybody from reversing the activation."I have some stupid theory that the fog that appeared wasn't a barrier just normal fog create through alchemy/chemistry that action was suppose to gather all flowers(;p) inside a temple and then set a real barrier that would lead us to 3 suspect: Adlet , Nashetania , Goldov ( yeah Fremy was there but she never was near a shrine) that would also prove that Mora, Hans ,Chammot are real flowers because they wasn't near the shrine when barrier was rising . Yeah Mora was checking a shrine but at that time we saw Adlet and Hans checking barrier in forest (episode 5).. Also i take as a true what Hans and Mora says about door soo the 7 wanted to someone other than him to enter a temple ( that person will become the most suspicious in other eyes ) everyone remembered when Nashetania told Adlet to go to the temple first (episode 4) .. my bet (50$;p) is on Nashetania i still can't figure how did she activate a barrier" <<<< im still sticking to my theory from episode 6 xD And if we don't go down Adlet's theory but go back to Episode 1 @ 19:58 - @ 20:23 we could see Nashtania controlling the short blade Adlet found in his death cell from a distance before dispersing it as energy. The sword in Adlet's cell was, most likely, a saint artifact, similar to Fremy's firecrackers. Since we're sure it was put there by Nashetania, and we know that for her the easiest way to get a sword into a prison is to conjure it out of thin air when she is inside. Well, for her it's the easiest way to get a sword period. Userman said: What if what we saw of Adlet recieving the tatoo was just his imagination because he is actually a pyscho. this possibility could make him a candidate of 7. But so much spoiler on the comment section like someone saying that we will see why someone behave like the way the behave now in volume 3/4, doesn't this imply that they will be alive until then?. Again the theory of adlet ,the 7th, can be considered also because of the handshake with the guardian(lauren?) of the tower and after that in the next scene flamie says: 'i was thinking'. That also put some suspect. Another possibiility is that little girl:she tear the petal of the flower after saying she would go to play outside and if you notice there were actually 6 petal on the flower. Coincidence ?. But thinking about what lauren(the guardian) said :that only who have been blessed can survive the poison of the demon land. probably it is going to end like: they find the way through the fognand they decide to go all 7 and the fake eventually die because of the poison. Nobody dies. happy ending This is just a theory. Yeah, sorry for the spoilers. Also, there is a way to negate the poison for those in service of the demons. That's how Fremy's cultists survived. The 7th will, without a doubt, use it as well, should he/she survive this long. darboux said: Well will the reasons you say be explained in the series? or the show gonna just end ''look the 7th is this one go read the ln'' Hope at least we get some backround as the series reaches the end why Maura/Nashetania act like this and some other stuff. I think this show should have been at least 24 episodes or hope it gets more seasons. The 7th will do a brief villain speech, but deeper insight into characters' personalities and demons' motivations will have to wait. kingsheep812 said: Also they should name this show from Rokka no Yuusha to Rokka no FINDING THE 7TH FUCKER Retarded as fuck wasting half the show at the temple and finding the traitor. Dumb As FUCK. LMAO how are they going to even finish off the series with 2 episodes left, still needs to defeat bunny yandere chan. But lmao its ok because we only need the last minute of the last episode to kill off the Demon Lord right? Go into the base and just tap him so he dies. No pre-bosses or shit like that? So dumb they really need to rename the show. Your speech reminds me of the people who demand that SAO should stop after the destruction of Aincrad. Except it's kind of the reverse of that. Don't bother thinking about names of shows, they are made to be memorable, not descriptive. Also, I like the name "Rokka no Yuusha". It's a lot better than "My seven fantasy heroes fight too much" or some other title that takes too long to type into a search engine. |
Sep 7, 2015 4:25 AM
#399
mira-nyan said: Does no one on this thread know what the word 'yandere' even means?(I apologize to anyone that used the correct term) She went full yangire, not yandere. If I understand the terms right, Chamo is Yangire (just plain murderous), and Nashetania is Yandere (suddenly changed from friendly and supportive to murderous). |
Sep 7, 2015 4:42 AM
#400
Neither of them Yanigire or Yandere. Yan-types who do crazy things for the person they love or will murder anyone who's threat/competition for their love. Nashetainia may be infatuated with Adlet, but her reaction is due to fact she has because disillusioned about him. She never thought Adlet would be the type backstab somebody because built a shallow ideal out of him, despite not knowing him for long. |
Iron_MawSep 7, 2015 5:32 AM
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