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Jun 5, 2015 9:32 AM
#1
Now I'm guessing most people know Gigguk and that he recently posted a video bringing up the topic. And it's been fun watching the opinions. However I really agree with this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2twwMBqGVpE What does everyone else think? Using the actually meaning of the term Golden Age and not just the "my favorite animes are from this time so it wins by default" mentality. |
Jun 5, 2015 9:35 AM
#3
Gigguk? Is a popular Youtube anime reviewer. Here's his initial video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzT3X66FepU |
Jun 5, 2015 9:35 AM
#4
It might be true that previous years were better in terms of quality but there is no 'golden age' you speak of. |
All credit goes to Sacred. |
Jun 5, 2015 9:39 AM
#6
Well Gigguk did pose the question, so a question deems an answer. That's also why I like Fuma's stance since he says that it doesn't exist because that's part of the concept of a Golden Age, but for the sake of discussion...an answer it usually a good concept. Haha! |
Jun 5, 2015 9:41 AM
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Jun 5, 2015 9:43 AM
#8
Jun 5, 2015 9:48 AM
#9
I don't have prejuices against anime for being made in a certain age in first place, so i don't have a golden one either. |
Jun 5, 2015 9:51 AM
#10
Praland said: most of your 10's are either from 03-06 or 09-12 thoughI don't have prejuices against anime for being made in a certain age in first place, so i don't have a golden one either. |
Jun 5, 2015 9:52 AM
#11
KLKfanboy said: oh fuck, that made me cringe so hard terrible video It was even worse than I expected. |
Jun 5, 2015 9:57 AM
#12
I've seen this brought up before, but I still haven't watched the video. Anyways, saying "Golden Age," I would imagine it to be a time when the largest amount of anime was released, a time where the most amount of influential anime were released, or the time where the most was sold. Even then though, that's based on country. So, at the end, it's a convenient term used to describe a favorite or preferred time in anime's history. In some ways though, it's still nice that there's no one Golden Age. It means that every time period has its own value, and the absence of any of them wouldn't have led to where we are today. Unless, of course, one were to hate today's anime. |
Jun 5, 2015 9:57 AM
#13
romagia said: Praland said: most of your 10's are either from 03-06 or 09-12 thoughI don't have prejuices against anime for being made in a certain age in first place, so i don't have a golden one either. Interesting, still i won't consider them "golden" |
Jun 5, 2015 10:00 AM
#14
KLKfanboy said: oh fuck, that made me cringe so hard terrible video ^ Golden age,smolden age. There has always been and will be good and bad series released at the same time... |
I sometimes watch chinese cartoons/stuff and share unsolicited opinions. |
Jun 5, 2015 10:03 AM
#15
Well, 10, 15 and 20 years ago there wasn't that much pressure on the studios. So they were easily able to pull of shows with 25+ episodes. Nowadays they struggle to even make a show that has 10+ episodes. I watched Great Teacher Onizuka recently. And the first episode was over 40 mins long. That were great times lol :D |
Jun 5, 2015 10:04 AM
#16
HybridLR said: i only know about this gigguk guy from the recent TAS response to it lol; Now I'm guessing most people know Gigguk and that he recently posted a video bringing up the topic. And it's been fun watching the opinions. However I really agree with this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2twwMBqGVpE What does everyone else think? Using the actually meaning of the term Golden Age and not just the "my favorite animes are from this time so it wins by default" mentality. here is his take on the golden age which might be interesting ThatAnimeSnob said: http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=userpage&do=blog&uid=251338&blogid=54402[...] These two factors (creative liberty and appreciation) are severely limiting the years when anime could be considered to be in a golden age. For most of their existence, anime studios either had no funds to properly create what they wanted to create and had to cater to a niche audience, or were forced to cancel projects and leave titles incomplete because they didn’t sell. On the other hand, for a long period of time, anime studios were not credited properly for what they were making. A huge amount of classic cartoons was animated in Japan, and without proper advertisement, very few realized that what they were watching was not made solely in America or Europe. This also includes a huge number of anime that were exported, heavily edited, and promoted as western productions. So, if we strip away all the years when anime studios were not funded properly, or anime were not as popular, what are we left with? - 1988 to 1991, the time when the west witnessed en masse how detailed animated movies could look like. - 1995 to 1997, the time when sci-fi series became popular on television for the first time. - 2002 to 2008, the time when the Big Three and the first blu-ray titles came to be smash hits thanks to proper advertisement and a good economy. - 2012 to today, the time when titles like Sword Art Online and Attack on Titan brought a new wave of fans and rejuvenated the industry. These 4 periods can be considered golden ages in some way or another, but not in the same volume. The era of high budget movies for example didn’t make that much money and as it was proven it was way too costly to keep going based only on cinema tickets. Television and manga were the mediums that were making most of the money. The era of sci-fi series was good but was not promoted that well in the west, mostly because of bad dubbing and the unwillingness of distributors to take anime seriously. The Big Three / blu-ray era is indeed the best time when anime and manga were selling well and the studios were flourishing. Something I can’t say about the years we are going through right now, because the economy is bad and piracy hurts the sales a lot. Also, the fact that we have so many sequels and reboots means that there is not much room for creativity and the industry is supported mostly by the inland consumers we commonly call otakus. It needs to pander to them more than before. Not that there wasn’t any pandering done in the past; it’s just that when you rely a lot on a certain group of old fans, you need to cater to their specific tastes and not move too far off from what they want. This is why the animators can’t create what they want to create with the same ease as they used to before. Also, the fact that anime are, thanks to the internet, far more accessible now than ever before, does not make the era better. We are able to find and watch a title from any year, but this does not mean we support the current era financially so it can maintain its state. Thus I agree mostly with Digibro, even if I use slightly different criteria. 2002 to 2008 (especially the last 3 years of this period) was the golden age of anime. |
romagiaJun 5, 2015 10:10 AM
Jun 5, 2015 10:04 AM
#17
The 3 series that lead the way, illuminating the path of darkness with light towards the future. Truly inspirational series that have ushered in the golden era. Discuss http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1361150&show=0 |
Jun 5, 2015 11:02 AM
#18
I haven't watched the video you posted, but there really isn't a whole lot to discuss anyway, Gigguk's absolutely right. If you're talking about a golden age in terms of revenue, then there surely is one year or maybe even a certain timespan in which anime sold particularly well, but other than that you can't really measure the success or influence that a series had in an objective way. The majority of fans are simply using the phrasing in order to refer to the period when their favourites aired, anyway. |
Jun 5, 2015 11:05 AM
#19
golden age goes hand in hand the economic golden age in Japan |
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
Jun 5, 2015 11:10 AM
#20
Every time i see threads about golden age. I think of this picture. |
Jun 5, 2015 11:27 AM
#21
The beginning and end of hentai is the Golden Age of anime. |
Jun 5, 2015 12:10 PM
#23
When will you learn that MAL users generally dislike most YouTube anime personalities? |
Jun 5, 2015 12:36 PM
#24
There is no golden age. There is only an age, nothing more. What? I want to sound cool sometimes. sullynathan said: When will you learn that MAL users generally dislike most YouTube anime personalities? Soooo.... you guys are magically gonna start disliking me when I start up my review channel? |
Jun 5, 2015 12:44 PM
#25
MrMik1995 said: So quick question,i'm new here(but i'm watching anime for about 2 years,i just slacked on making MAL Account),which YouTube anime related channel do you guys like? Try out DouchebagChocolat. Doesn't upload much, but when he does upload, his stuff is golden. |
Jun 5, 2015 12:59 PM
#26
The golden age was never here and judgement day will never come. HybridLR said: Gigguk? Is a popular Youtube anime reviewer. We don't like him. |
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Jun 7, 2015 5:43 AM
#27
sullynathan said: coz people fear criticisms i guessWhen will you learn that MAL users generally dislike most YouTube anime personalities? ist stupid to hate YT reviewers tho they review for other peoples sake and hate them coz their favrit animu received unwanted criticism from them smh |
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Jun 7, 2015 6:06 AM
#29
HybridLR said: The Golden Age is not a subjective topic Yeah, I stopped taking you seriously round about here. Sorry lad XD Gigguk's pretty much on the money at the end of the day, though Digibro adds onto that with a general consensus, though even then it's the word of the masses and not of each individual. |
Jun 7, 2015 6:10 AM
#30
15 to 20 years from now these so called "new" anime will become old and considered a classic. Can you still say that our era today will not be considered "golden" in the future? |
Jun 7, 2015 6:11 AM
#31
yhunata said: no it's not, he is just as cancerous and outright retarded as the othersMrMik1995 said: So quick question,i'm new here(but i'm watching anime for about 2 years,i just slacked on making MAL Account),which YouTube anime related channel do you guys like? Try out DouchebagChocolat. Doesn't upload much, but when he does upload, his stuff is golden. |
Jun 7, 2015 6:11 AM
#32
It depends on what you value, if it's characters and story, then the 90s/2000s are vastly superior than the 70s/80s, not just because of the number of anime but simply due to the level some decades never reached, the 70s/80s is mostly filled with animal mains, early magical girl, and cheesy mecha's such as the original macross were aliens are afraid of "love" lmao, the 90s thankfully got serious after akira did well and dived into more adult matters, not to say there's not a bunch of cheesy over the top shit in the 90s and so on, but there is a more diverse nature in these decades, I would prolly pick the 2000s, everything before the moe parade had decent anime every year. |
Jun 7, 2015 6:12 AM
#33
JD2411 said: yhunata said: no it's not, he is just as cancerous and outright retarded as the othersMrMik1995 said: So quick question,i'm new here(but i'm watching anime for about 2 years,i just slacked on making MAL Account),which YouTube anime related channel do you guys like? Try out DouchebagChocolat. Doesn't upload much, but when he does upload, his stuff is golden. How did he hurt you JD, is it because he doesn't like Clannad |
Jun 7, 2015 6:16 AM
#34
JD2411 said: yhunata said: no it's not, he is just as cancerous and outright retarded as the othersMrMik1995 said: So quick question,i'm new here(but i'm watching anime for about 2 years,i just slacked on making MAL Account),which YouTube anime related channel do you guys like? Try out DouchebagChocolat. Doesn't upload much, but when he does upload, his stuff is golden. I think cancerous is going a little too far, though he hardly uploads, and whenever he does, it's a either a video of his cats, lizards, or random videos with no real purpose. Even once in a blue moon when he makes an actual review or "should you watch", half of it isn't even serious. When he talks seriously, he's ok, but I don't want to dig through all that bullshit just to get a serious review or opinion that is hardly worth it. |
Jun 7, 2015 6:17 AM
#35
MaskTai87 said: That was really bad. There is no golden age but its definitely been a decline. I mean we have anime like Tatami Galaxy, Ping Pong, Humanity has Declined, Nichibros, etc. but its simply not been up to par with the 2000s and before. Yes because comedies meant for a.d.d level headed folks are what's good nowadays, get real... |
Jun 7, 2015 6:19 AM
#36
MaskTai87 said: Rebyuuu said: MaskTai87 said: That was really bad. There is no golden age but its definitely been a decline. I mean we have anime like Tatami Galaxy, Ping Pong, Humanity has Declined, Nichibros, etc. but its simply not been up to par with the 2000s and before. Yes because comedies meant for a.d.d level headed folks are what's good nowadays, get real... U wot n0thing m8t |
Jun 7, 2015 6:20 AM
#37
MaskTai87 said: Rebyuuu said: MaskTai87 said: That was really bad. There is no golden age but its definitely been a decline. I mean we have anime like Tatami Galaxy, Ping Pong, Humanity has Declined, Nichibros, etc. but its simply not been up to par with the 2000s and before. Yes because comedies meant for a.d.d level headed folks are what's good nowadays, get real... U wot If you actually think this is good, I feel sorry for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Fa9TQMaZg |
Jun 7, 2015 6:21 AM
#38
I've said it before lel, there is no "golden age" in terms of quality. Every decade has its own good and bad. I woudn't say there's a decline, either. People just tend to forget the bad anime of the old days, and focus on the good ones, making the illusion of "every anime back then was so good omg". If anything, the recent years are the "golden age" since anime is getting more popular and getting more money. |
Jun 7, 2015 6:23 AM
#39
Rebyuuu said: Jintai is a subtle satire of human interaction and flaws, and has one of the best narratives in any anime I've seen. It stays "deep" but entertaining at the same time, never feeling "pretentious".MaskTai87 said: Rebyuuu said: MaskTai87 said: That was really bad. There is no golden age but its definitely been a decline. I mean we have anime like Tatami Galaxy, Ping Pong, Humanity has Declined, Nichibros, etc. but its simply not been up to par with the 2000s and before. Yes because comedies meant for a.d.d level headed folks are what's good nowadays, get real... U wot If you actually think this is good, I feel sorry for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Fa9TQMaZg |
Jun 7, 2015 6:24 AM
#40
AzureDaora said: I've said it before lel, there is no "golden age" in terms of quality. Every decade has its own good and bad. I woudn't say there's a decline, either. People just tend to forget the bad anime of the old days, and focus on the good ones, making the illusion of "every anime back then was so good omg". If anything, the recent years are the "golden age" since anime is getting more popular and getting more money. I disagree, some decades clearly have worse quality in terms of characters and story and frankly animation quality if you're an "art-house" fanboy, it's more of explaining why you prefer one choice over the other instead of a cop-out such as "everyone is gonna like what they like" I can explain why death note has superior characters to madoka magica, if you can't come up with a valid reason besides, it fits the anime!, then it's pretty clear which show has better characters, then again you might be a prepubescent girl and prefer cute or sad things over story and character. |
Jun 7, 2015 6:26 AM
#41
MaskTai87 said: Rebyuuu said: MaskTai87 said: Rebyuuu said: MaskTai87 said: That was really bad. There is no golden age but its definitely been a decline. I mean we have anime like Tatami Galaxy, Ping Pong, Humanity has Declined, Nichibros, etc. but its simply not been up to par with the 2000s and before. Yes because comedies meant for a.d.d level headed folks are what's good nowadays, get real... U wot If you actually think this is good, I feel sorry for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Fa9TQMaZg Man you're gonna have to try harder. don't really need to, char is one of the most overrated characters in all of anime, he has doing nothing out of the ordinary, keep living in... oh wait, you think texhnolyze is a 10/10 lemme guess why, It was so sad and the atmosphere was amazing, or perhaps you're actually dumb enough to think the characters had any depth and were well done, lmao they just fit the nihilistic shit show that had nothing to offer besides hopelessness. |
Jun 7, 2015 6:27 AM
#42
Rebyuuu said: MaskTai87 said: Rebyuuu said: MaskTai87 said: That was really bad. There is no golden age but its definitely been a decline. I mean we have anime like Tatami Galaxy, Ping Pong, Humanity has Declined, Nichibros, etc. but its simply not been up to par with the 2000s and before. Yes because comedies meant for a.d.d level headed folks are what's good nowadays, get real... U wot If you actually think this is good, I feel sorry for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Fa9TQMaZg Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8 U dun ivin anderstund wot Jinrui wuz ol abot. |
Jun 7, 2015 6:27 AM
#43
Rebyuuu said: Not 'clearly". AzureDaora said: I've said it before lel, there is no "golden age" in terms of quality. Every decade has its own good and bad. I woudn't say there's a decline, either. People just tend to forget the bad anime of the old days, and focus on the good ones, making the illusion of "every anime back then was so good omg". If anything, the recent years are the "golden age" since anime is getting more popular and getting more money. I disagree, some decades clearly have worse quality in terms of characters and story and frankly animation quality if you're an "art-house" fanboy, it's more of explaining why you prefer one choice over the other instead of a cop-out such as "everyone is gonna like what they like" I can explain why death note has superior characters to madoka magica, if you can't come up with a valid reason besides, it fits the anime!, then it's pretty clear which show has better characters, then again you might be a prepubescent girl and prefer cute or sad things over story and character. Please, enlighten me, master of objectivity. How your viewpoints in storytelling and character interaction and development encompass the entirety of every entire age, how you have taken the culture during those times, everything else, and tell me how you've watched every anime in a certain age. please I can explain, too. |
Jun 7, 2015 6:30 AM
#44
AzureDaora said: Rebyuuu said: Not 'clearly". AzureDaora said: I've said it before lel, there is no "golden age" in terms of quality. Every decade has its own good and bad. I woudn't say there's a decline, either. People just tend to forget the bad anime of the old days, and focus on the good ones, making the illusion of "every anime back then was so good omg". If anything, the recent years are the "golden age" since anime is getting more popular and getting more money. I disagree, some decades clearly have worse quality in terms of characters and story and frankly animation quality if you're an "art-house" fanboy, it's more of explaining why you prefer one choice over the other instead of a cop-out such as "everyone is gonna like what they like" I can explain why death note has superior characters to madoka magica, if you can't come up with a valid reason besides, it fits the anime!, then it's pretty clear which show has better characters, then again you might be a prepubescent girl and prefer cute or sad things over story and character. Please, enlighten me, master of objectivity. How your viewpoints in storytelling and character interaction and development encompass the entirety of an entire decade, and tell me how you've watched every anime in a certain age. please I can explain, too. 70s/80s do not have quantity or quality of anime from the 80s/90s, by sheer numbers, by sheer concepts, by sheer characters, by sheer anime, now if we're comparing things you can bust out one of your fav anime and we can discuss why i believe a show has a better story or characters, usually it comes down to what the characters did in the anime, and for the story, how many plot holes or nonsensical explanations they used, I look at things in an analytical mindset, not "OMG IT WAS SO SAD THE END OF ANGEL BEATS MADE ME CRY 10/10 MASTERPIECE". The game is on love. |
Jun 7, 2015 6:35 AM
#45
Jun 7, 2015 6:37 AM
#46
Trick thread. There is no "Golden Age" |
Jun 7, 2015 6:48 AM
#47
Jun 7, 2015 6:49 AM
#48
Rebyuuu said: AzureDaora said: Rebyuuu said: AzureDaora said: I've said it before lel, there is no "golden age" in terms of quality. Every decade has its own good and bad. I woudn't say there's a decline, either. People just tend to forget the bad anime of the old days, and focus on the good ones, making the illusion of "every anime back then was so good omg". If anything, the recent years are the "golden age" since anime is getting more popular and getting more money. I disagree, some decades clearly have worse quality in terms of characters and story and frankly animation quality if you're an "art-house" fanboy, it's more of explaining why you prefer one choice over the other instead of a cop-out such as "everyone is gonna like what they like" I can explain why death note has superior characters to madoka magica, if you can't come up with a valid reason besides, it fits the anime!, then it's pretty clear which show has better characters, then again you might be a prepubescent girl and prefer cute or sad things over story and character. Please, enlighten me, master of objectivity. How your viewpoints in storytelling and character interaction and development encompass the entirety of an entire decade, and tell me how you've watched every anime in a certain age. please I can explain, too. 70s/80s do not have quantity or quality of anime from the 80s/90s, by sheer numbers, by sheer concepts, by sheer characters, by sheer anime, now if we're comparing things you can bust out one of your fav anime and we can discuss why i believe a show has a better story or characters, usually it comes down to what the characters did in the anime, and for the story, how many plot holes or nonsensical explanations they used, I look at things in an analytical mindset, not "OMG IT WAS SO SAD THE END OF ANGEL BEATS MADE ME CRY 10/10 MASTERPIECE". The game is on love. You're using so much buzzwords I'm literally laughing in here. pls Oh wow, you look at things in an analytical mindset. How special. However, your analytical viewpoints are clearly lacking in a lot of ways. Let's see here, 1. The number of anime being released each year is irrelevant in correlation to quality. 2. Concept or premise does not matter much, especially in anime where you have so much odd concepts that somehow work. Execution is more important than the premise, and execution is seen through a mostly subjective viewpoint. 3. Not every story is character-driven. An anime can succeed without fully fleshed characters, as a story can focus on world building and plot. 4. I have no idea what "by sheer anime" means. 5. Everything you've said contains no proof as to why everything in this age is better than another certain age. 6. We're not talking about specific anime; we're talking about entire decades. Which you've clearly watched everything on a certain decade. Rite? lel 7. Oh wow, Non-sequitur logical fallacy. "Sheer anime" and "sheer numbers" have little to do with what would be the golden age of anime is. The argument is either "in sales" or "in quality". The former being the recent years and the latter having an unobtainable answer due to the viewpoint of quality being mostly subjective in nature. 8. Plot holes and "nonsensical explanations" are not valid criticisms for every anime. Nonsensical anime like Nichijou or Ninja Slayer are clearly not viewed for the story. Something like Mawaru Penguindrum is so vague and symbolic in nature that one could argue that there are "nonsensical explanations", except that the execution of Penguindrum is mostly about symbolism and is thus relative as to how the certain viewer sees the show, as interpretations about symbolism is loose and is not hardened by the word-of-god. 9. "What the characters did in the anime" can be subjective. Some may look at a certain action as stupid while some might see at as a sane action. It all depends on how the viewer sees the anime as and how he relates to the characters based on his own experiences, depending on what kind of anime it is. Don't try and act like a pseudo-intellectual; there are a lot of people who will punish you for that. Contrary to popular belief, there are a lot of smart people in MAL that can easily refute (maybe) everything I just said and make me look like a puny cat in comparison. |
AzureDaoraJun 7, 2015 6:53 AM
Jun 7, 2015 6:52 AM
#49
hybreezy said: now I hate him even more!!!!JD2411 said: yhunata said: MrMik1995 said: So quick question,i'm new here(but i'm watching anime for about 2 years,i just slacked on making MAL Account),which YouTube anime related channel do you guys like? Try out DouchebagChocolat. Doesn't upload much, but when he does upload, his stuff is golden. How did he hurt you JD, is it because he doesn't like Clannad it's because he is your typical tryhard /a/-pandering anime fan. He is generally unfunny unless you're some edgelord or very childish. He is also extremely bad at reviewing and barely counts as one if I'm completely honest |
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