Orange Chapter 19 Discussion

Stark700 said:
THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Damn, so that was Kakeru's last conversation with his mother during his past...sad. However, I think the message he got at the end was clear and it's hard to take it in. Plus if he dies, I am pretty damn sure that some people would be sad.

And now it seems like he has no problems about Naho dating Suwa? yeah, I think there's a bit of insecurity going on here.

DigestingAnime said:
So in that future, Kakeru didn't really commit suicide? Because this is obviously not the present, as Suwa actually confessed and the argument between Naho and Kakeru was different.

Interesting. :'(

zensunni said:


No... I'm pretty sure he did commit suicide. He actually attempted it earlier and was hospitalized, then he purposely rode out into the street. That is how I read it at least.

xorisa said:
Damn, even this chapter made me feel sympathy towards Kakeru. Next chapter is the last chapter(?), but I feel like they need a few more chapters to wrap everything up..

coyoteclaw11 said:
Also just an addition after reading all the comments above mine: I was surprised people had trouble figuring out the timeline :o I realized right when Azu lost the game, since that was changed in the new timeline, but I think there were enough clues (references to other events that'd also been changed in the new timeline) to show this was the original timeline. It might just be me though.

coyoteclaw11 said:
Omg that was so sad ;A; everything just went so bad for him and it's really sad seeing what happened in the original timeline gosh... I really hope they're able to turn things around in the new timeline. Seeing just how awful things went originally, it's a lot more significant how those small changes affected things at least in how happy the memories were. I hope it's done good for Kakeru's mental state and that he won't be as low as he was before when it seemed everything that could go wrong did.

Gosh though I'm guessing the new year's fight was unavoidable. Assuming everything would go prefect is a bit idealistic lmao but i hope the end result is infinitely better.

Also yo yo quick question: anyone know when we can expect the next update? I know this one took like a month or two, right? So should I be looking out for late June or...?

myjonpol said:
I think, it won't change the fact that Kakeru will die someday sooner.

but I think they made him happy before dying.

there will be a huge paradox if Kakeru lives.

Naysama said:

the last question I have is whether Kakeru is conscious like all of his destination and is taking his own desicions like the others. It would make sense. because it is very sad but by the end of Kakeru is his own life and do not think anyone else should interfere in their own decisions even if they are not correct. I sense that someone else would not choose for him.

Naysama said:
I started reading this manga today, I devoured all the 19 chapters. It is the best shojo manga stories that I read recently on this subject. As in all temporary space themed stories, this one intrigued me so deeply idea that the author is to be placed in context. there will start any theory that we can imagine.

1. I think Kakeru finally die at the end of the story, either by suicide or by the inertia of fate, the idea of ​​having a final where the players can correct their mistake or regrets back in time and live happily ever after and I don't think it will be the moral at the end of this story. The author does not seem to go down that road.
2. Any changes that are occurring in this will definitely affect the future. from an action to a word they can change the lives of the protagonist. Now imagine that someone who is supposedly destined to die does not. What will be the collateral damage for having saved the life of Kakeru. I can not help thinking that even the lives of all others would be at risk. Just I say this, the "butterfly effect."

I think at the end of loving outcome. Suwa will be key to the direction that will take the fate of the Protas. Because in the end as he says it once, he's the only one who from the beginning was aware of their own feelings and the feelings of Kakeru and Naho. and even more aware of their future Naho. I think that ultimately will choose Her and his future with her than anything else.

the last question I have is whether Kakeru is conscious like all of his destination and is taking his own desicions like the others. It would make sense. because it is very sad but by the end of Kakeru is his own life and do not think anyone else should interfere in their own decisions even if they are not correct. I sense that someone else would not choose for him.

FiflyAnimeLover said:

I just really hope Naho finds him and goes WITH HIM to visit his grandmother instead of making him stay with them. I feel like he just wanted her to support him, not wave away his worries.

nyxion said:
I always thought that the mutli-verse theory the teacher told them was so...convenient and plot device-y (still love takano-sensei, not implying bad writing :>) that is definitely had to be some foreshadowing, imo.

And I think this chapter was very meaningful for several reasons

1) finally Kakeru's POV, I know its the Kakeru from the futures past, in a different (original?) dimension and all, I'm sure it represents current (or focused) dimension Kakeru's feelings, just for different reasons.

ie a lot of the things the alternate one was upset about, what drove him to suicide, was things that they ended up preventing in current dimension. I'd say that's also another case of foreshadowing I'd say.

2) this chapter really captures what it's like to be depressed and reflects the feelings quite accurately of what it is to be "depressed", to have depression, isn't sheer sadness in the way a totally mentally stable person can say "I'm depressed", when they're "upset", or are just having a bad day, etc. I love how accurately this manga does that proper differentiating because, well to be honest it's really relatable condition to me; I'm 18 and I've been diagnosed since i was 13, though onset was of course years before. It brings out so much more to be connected to the story, though it's also very saddening.

3) the feel of last chapter (aka ch 18) was very..."history repeats itself" whereas the fact that events that triggered a llot of kakeru's suicide were prevented, gives a lot of hope <3 to be honest, I hope the ending message is not "history repeats itself" it'd give off some assumption, or misconception that depressed people, if they're "suicidal" they're beyond hope, one day...it's gonna happen, you can't prevent it, when, maybe not everytime, surely, but when you gain friends, like kakeru has, that care and do so much, and are basically true family to him, it's not like...it'll take some time to admit that to his depressed self; how they've given him meaning, and when he can be with naho, they lvoe eachother and it'll be beautiful.

nyxion said:
I always thought that the mutli-verse theory the teacher told them was so...convenient and plot device-y

SNaG21 said:
Christ, what a chapter...