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| YES, they put in some Saber backstory, albeit a brief flashback. I was calling for this last year. It paves the way for a satisfactory character resolution of Saber's arc once Answer is over, even if there is no official Fate route adaptation. Seriously, that was a great episode. Sure, if I wanted to nitpick every discrepancy between this and the VN, that would just make me pointlessly salty and disappointed. |
| It really sucks to be Lancer |
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Kaixe-Rho said: Ketuekigami said: If it's said on MAL in a fsn thread = Truth. Obviously. Also, Oh yeah, Shirou's situation at the beginning of the episode was a reference to Fate/Extra. Uncultured swine. Except that is not when he made the contract and that is not why he got white hair and tanned skin. It IS a reference, but the hair and skin color makes it a plothole. |
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| Nothing more to say than RIP Lancer. |
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| Not even the Bro runes can save you from the suffering that is the Lancer class |
| Who the fuck cares about his hair color and skin? Somebody who have never read the VN would be wondering why this dude in his 30s/40s has hair color randomly changed from reddish to pure white without being an old man. |
| I love how the counter force made archer just kill rebels. Counter force confirmed illuminati adgenda. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| awesome episode. Next: Shirou vs. himself |
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| Lancer I will always love you T-T RIP |
Drake1000 said: Not even the Bro runes can save you from the suffering that is the Lancer class Guyz, it's Nepal's flag ~.~ |
The sun is a deadly laser |
astroprogs said: [img]http://i.imgur.com/r4RQcl3.png[/i mg] The sweg mastah Shinji was #rekt this episode and handed over the crown |
| I don't understand how nothing was done to understand Shirou. It's clear that Archer is Shirou, so understanding one allows you to understand the other more clearly here. I don't know what else people were expecting at this point, there was nothing exclusive to Shirou in the visual novel that this episode skipped. If you reread the visual novel, you can clearly see it's mostly Archer talking about his past, his life as guardian, and the contrast between that and Saber's mistake ideal. All Shirou really does is face his future self by claiming they're 2 different people and claiming his future uncertainties are a mistake he'll fix with his own hands. |
KamiCity said: ijuka said: Hm. Do you need to lift your hand up to use one, then? No VN explanations states magic is sealed by what she's tied up with. Although VN explanation misses the part that Command Spells should be able to bypass it so yea amnesia. We don't really have much to go on as to why she doesn't use it. CookingPriest said: That's the problem tbh. It is something that occurs GRADUALLY over lifetime of mastering that magic. Not something that just shoneny happens in an instant. Not to mention that making him have red hair and white skin when he makes a contract, will make anime onlies assume he got that and his powers from contract... WTF does Shoneny mean it means ass-pully in a nakama power-ish way . u dig ? |
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| Welp. Once again, having seen Fate/Zero already, nothing shocked me in this episode. Except for Lancer's cruel death. Fate/Zero spoiler: Good episode, though. Kirei's a magnificent bastard, as always. And it was great that Shinji got rekt by Lancer. |
| I don't understand the extreme salt, as a guy who's read the visual novel completely through twice this is basically the best adaption you could hope for, it suffers the same flaws literally every single vn anime has, i don't see people complaining about this shit in steins;gate when it has basically the same problems. the only issue i've had so far is weird pacing in a few episodes of this season and the very botched fight scene with berserker. Here is something important of not regarding Shirou's characterization that the *priests are forgetting, first of all it's nearly all explained in the Fate route before this, so saying "why isn't it explaining his character" makes me laugh, it was never explained here guys lmao. Second, Shirou's ideals are NOT SUPER DEEP AND COMPLEX, his ideals are "i want to be a hero like my dad" and "my life is less important than others", both of which are explained quite well. But Fai went into this expecting to hate it, he fucking called it ruined before a single pv was out entirely because of the director (who not only did the best episode of the show, but only made the worst kara no kyoukai because fucking NASU is the one who wrote the goddamn chapter it was based on) Ii also remember him complaining that they gave Shirou a jacket, his arguments are a joke, he has a few valid points but they're so twisted by his misguided hatred of the director he's wrapped them into something totally different. if you read this Fai please note that any points you make I actually agree with still piss me off, because you argue like a child throwing a tantrum. I'm probably wrong about at least half of what i just said here in some way, I'm bad at making arguments in text and apologize for any mistakes. |
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FlamepriesT said: I don't understand how nothing was done to understand Shirou. It's clear that Archer is Shirou, so understanding one allows you to understand the other more clearly here. I don't know what else people were expecting at this point, there was nothing exclusive to Shirou in the visual novel that this episode skipped. If you reread the visual novel, you can clearly see it's mostly Archer talking about his past, his life as guardian, and the contrast between that and Saber's mistake ideal. All Shirou really does is face his future self by claiming they're 2 different people and claiming his future uncertainties are a mistake he'll fix with his own hands. IKR. The episode was amazing in most ways especially in enjoyment. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
FingerMove said: Episode in a nutshell:  I just had to do this. but he might die if he is killed :| |
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Drake1000 said: Not even the Bro runes can save you from the suffering that is the Lancer class I just know those runes wud b my best bros. |
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Rahkshilord said: ^^^I don't understand the extreme salt, as a guy who's read the visual novel completely through twice this is basically the best adaption you could hope for, it suffers the same flaws literally every single vn anime has, i don't see people complaining about this shit in steins;gate when it has basically the same problems. the only issue i've had so far is weird pacing in a few episodes of this season and the very botched fight scene with berserker. Here is something important of not regarding Shirou's characterization that the *priests are forgetting, first of all it's nearly all explained in the Fate route before this, so saying "why isn't it explaining his character" makes me laugh, it was never explained here guys lmao. Second, Shirou's ideals are NOT SUPER DEEP AND COMPLEX, his ideals are "i want to be a hero like my dad" and "my life is less important than others", both of which are explained quite well. But Fai went into this expecting to hate it, he fucking called it ruined before a single pv was out entirely because of the director (who not only did the best episode of the show, but only made the worst kara no kyoukai because fucking NASU is the one who wrote the goddamn chapter it was based on) Ii also remember him complaining that they gave Shirou a jacket, his arguments are a joke, he has a few valid points but they're so twisted by his misguided hatred of the director he's wrapped them into something totally different. if you read this Fai please note that any points you make I actually agree with still piss me off, because you argue like a child throwing a tantrum. |
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Mormegil said: Welp. Once again, having seen Fate/Zero already, nothing shocked me in this episode. Except for Lancer's cruel death. Fate/Zero spoiler: Good episode, though. Kirei's a magnificent bastard, as always. And it was great that Shinji got rekt by Lancer. thats the idea. lancer and saber classes are the noblest , thats y they always get wrecked in the fate series -_- |
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black1blade said: It's a case of people remembering something wrong because they are already disappointed with the anime, so even if it does something right their memory is somehow that the source is actually 10x better than this.FlamepriesT said: I don't understand how nothing was done to understand Shirou. It's clear that Archer is Shirou, so understanding one allows you to understand the other more clearly here. I don't know what else people were expecting at this point, there was nothing exclusive to Shirou in the visual novel that this episode skipped. If you reread the visual novel, you can clearly see it's mostly Archer talking about his past, his life as guardian, and the contrast between that and Saber's mistake ideal. All Shirou really does is face his future self by claiming they're 2 different people and claiming his future uncertainties are a mistake he'll fix with his own hands. IKR. The episode was amazing in most ways especially in enjoyment. |
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mira-nyan said: Drake1000 said: Not even the Bro runes can save you from the suffering that is the Lancer class Guyz, it's Nepal's flag ~.~ mira plz. It's obviously a Bluetooth symbol. |
WAD1992 said: FingerMove said: Episode in a nutshell: I just had to do this. but he might die if he is killed :| Someone needs to add the geass symbol to his eyes. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
RahkshiloHere said: it was never explained here guys lmao what (who not only did the best episode of the show, but only made the worst kara no kyoukai because fucking NASU is the one who wrote the goddamn chapter it was based on) Yeah and the chapter was good in the novels. |
-Ziro said: CodeZwei said: They gave Lancer the most B.S death ever. Such an awesome guy went down without an epic fight gg. They really just killed of the best character like that, wtf. Besides that though great episode. I agree i have extreme salt for these anime/manga creators hating on "the lancer types." |
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| >Here is something important of not regarding Shirou's characterization that the *priests are forgetting, first of all it's nearly all explained in the Fate route before this, so saying "why isn't it explaining his character" makes me laugh, it was never explained here guys lmao. lol'd Different Shirou with different views. |
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astroprogs said: mira-nyan said: Guyz, it's Nepal's flag ~.~ mira plz. It's obviously Bluetooth sign. lol :") |
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black1blade said: WAD1992 said: but he might die if he is killed :| Someone needs to add the geass symbol to his eyes. lmao X'D indeed |
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FlamepriesT said: I don't understand how nothing was done to understand Shirou. It's clear that Archer is Shirou, so understanding one allows you to understand the other more clearly here. I don't know what else people were expecting at this point, there was nothing exclusive to Shirou in the visual novel that this episode skipped. If you reread the visual novel, you can clearly see it's mostly Archer talking about his past, his life as guardian, and the contrast between that and Saber's mistake ideal. All Shirou really does is face his future self by claiming they're 2 different people and claiming his future uncertainties are a mistake he'll fix with his own hands. Archer is Shirou but Shirou is NOT Archer. they are entirelly separate beings. YEs in VN. IN VN at this point we also already have enough to understand Shirou's ideology, how it changed through course of UBW andw here is coming from. In here, they NEEDED to add something. They did not. Archer Shirou, Fate Shirou, UBW Shirou, HF Shirou are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PEOPLE with DIFFERENT beliefs and paths. As nocorras put it: nocorras said: >Here is something important of not regarding Shirou's characterization that the *priests are forgetting, first of all it's nearly all explained in the Fate route before this, so saying "why isn't it explaining his character" makes me laugh, it was never explained here guys lmao. lol'd Different Shirou with different views. |
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nocorras said: >Here is something important of not regarding Shirou's characterization that the *priests are forgetting, first of all it's nearly all explained in the Fate route before this, so saying "why isn't it explaining his character" makes me laugh, it was never explained here guys lmao. lol'd Different Shirou with different views. yes but an anime adaptation needs to be able to stand alone, stuff like this needs to be mentioned, so ofc. it works in a VN that's why im more inclined to overlook stuff like this .... UFO DID NOTHING WRONG !!! :@ more seriously, they did mess up @ some points , with caster for example .... that was uresanai tbh ... >_> |
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Insertanamehere said: RahkshiloHere said: it was never explained here guys lmao what Shirou's ideals are explained in the fate route, ubw is written in a way that does not detail them because you are expected to already know them. and as i said, they aren't super deep anyways stop acting like they are. |
| Lancer and Shinji continue to be the best characters. The return of thousand-faces Rin. EMIYA BGM is godly as expected, too bad the flashback itself kinda sucked. I expected more flashy genocides than this, yo. I hated to think that how DEEN representing this scene was cooler than ufo. Damn. Now I'll just sit back and turn off my critical animu mind while recalling VN scenes. Reduce the sodium I had for ufo this way. |
| This sub forum should just be renamed Unlimited Salt Works lol, I dunno why I was hoping to see something different from Fai and his legion of salt xD Anyway, this episode was brilliant and it did a very good job of setting up the battle that's to come next week...I really appreciated Saber's parts in this episode because essentially this is a sequel so of course her being one of the key players in Zero she deserves to have some screentime of her own instead of having the backseat The Lancer and Kirei moments were fucking hilarious xD I jumped for joy when Lancer punched the shit out of Shinji and my oh my Kirei is the ultimate troll lolololol. Poor Lancer though.....You will be missed my friend TwT Overall this was a great episode and I really appreciated the dialogue and flashbacks that we got in this episode....Art/Animation and the OST were orgasmic!!!!!!! |
Rahkshilord said: Shirou's ideals are explained in the fate route, ubw is written in a way that does not detail them because you are expected to already know them. http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20204/ Yeah, no details at all. |
black1blade said: WAD1992 said: but he might die if he is killed :| Someone needs to add the geass symbol to his eyes.  |
| There was waay too much filler dialogue in this episode. I hope Archer fights more and talks less next chapter. Lancer punching Pervert-kun was the best bit to be honest |
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Tokoya said: I jumped for joy when Lancer punched the shit out of Shinji that will be my new sig soon :3 |
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Rahkshilord said: Insertanamehere said: what Shirou's ideals are explained in the fate route, ubw is written in a way that does not detail them because you are expected to already know them. and as i said, they aren't super deep anyways stop acting like they are. |
Rahkshilord said: Preach itI don't understand the extreme salt, as a guy who's read the visual novel completely through twice this is basically the best adaption you could hope for, it suffers the same flaws literally every single vn anime has, i don't see people complaining about this shit in steins;gate when it has basically the same problems. the only issue i've had so far is weird pacing in a few episodes of this season and the very botched fight scene with berserker. Here is something important of not regarding Shirou's characterization that the *priests are forgetting, first of all it's nearly all explained in the Fate route before this, so saying "why isn't it explaining his character" makes me laugh, it was never explained here guys lmao. Second, Shirou's ideals are NOT SUPER DEEP AND COMPLEX, his ideals are "i want to be a hero like my dad" and "my life is less important than others", both of which are explained quite well. But Fai went into this expecting to hate it, he fucking called it ruined before a single pv was out entirely because of the director (who not only did the best episode of the show, but only made the worst kara no kyoukai because fucking NASU is the one who wrote the goddamn chapter it was based on) Ii also remember him complaining that they gave Shirou a jacket, his arguments are a joke, he has a few valid points but they're so twisted by his misguided hatred of the director he's wrapped them into something totally different. if you read this Fai please note that any points you make I actually agree with still piss me off, because you argue like a child throwing a tantrum. |
Farabeuf said: There was waay too much filler dialogue in this episode. I hope Archer fights more and talks less next chapter. Lancer punching Pervert-kun was the best bit to be honest It never stops getting to me when people use that word wrong. |
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Insertanamehere said: Rahkshilord said: Shirou's ideals are explained in the fate route, ubw is written in a way that does not detail them because you are expected to already know them. http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20204/ Yeah, no details at all. Hyperbole attempting to get my point through the wall of salt, shirou's ideals do not change in fate or ubw, they are the same ideals. His inner thoughts about the ideals are what differs, in one he accepts them as they are and the other he accepts they're flawed but refuses to give up. HF is the only route where his ideals actually change. |
| Great episode! I loved how they showed us bits of Archer's past that we didn't see in the VN 5/5 |
| Damn, Lancer didn't deserve that shit. :/ |
Ketuekigami said: Farabeuf said: There was waay too much filler dialogue in this episode. I hope Archer fights more and talks less next chapter. Lancer punching Pervert-kun was the best bit to be honest It never stops getting to me when people use that word wrong. guess its filler if glowing SHIT isnt flying all across the room X"D people just want to EX-CALIBUR i guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| Hero of Justice/ saving everyone is such an overused concept. Please kill yourself Shirou I just want to see shit blow up pls |
| Lol. Even in this one, Lancer couldn't escape a pathetic end. At least he got to hit Shinji before his sayonara. Kirei reveals himself too. Guess his rekt-oning is also at hand. Also amusing how Shirou's stubborness comes back to bite his future self in the butt. And once again, Saber just shows her face so we remember she's still there. |
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-kV- said: Who the fuck cares about his hair color and skin? Somebody who have never read the VN would be wondering why this dude in his 30s/40s has hair color randomly changed from reddish to pure white without being an old man. Because if they did it like they did just now, then it would imply that Shirou got his tan and white hair via CG status, but he did NOT. And it makes sense, if you freaking consider why he made the deal in the first place, that he should've been in a "semi-rekt" state aka the tan and white hair due to all that magic stuff. |
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WrongPriest said: he's not really 100% correct though you're right, I'm also really terrible at getting the point of my arguments across in text, if this was real life i could easily explain what I mean. all I'm saying is some people here are EXTREMELY exaggerating the flaws based on preconceptions about the show. I'm fully willing to retract any statements i made if I'm totally proven wrong, memory is a weird thing that can get stuff wrong very easily. |
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