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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Welp , their current project will require some teamwork. Really fitting music though for the holidays, especially Christmas. Santa where I think the action flick anime they made was kinda cool to watch though; at least in terms of creativity. Decent episode overall. |
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| I KNEW Sugie was gonna be their savior, it was way too obvious as I said in last week's episode thread! :D Great episode for Christmas! :D |
| The way Onoue (the pale white-haired guy with the phone in the beginning) was talking to NGE's director sounded like he sent Miyamori to him for something very different other than animation-related work. Read the dialogues again and you'll know what I mean. :p Sugie-san was the real MVP this episode! Musani would've been in a big pinch without his help. That Andes Chucky opening song though.. Can't believe Miyamori would take a liking to some kiddish show. XD Decent Christmas episode. I wonder what their next project would be since Exodus is basically done. |
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| Really enjoyed all their passion that was shown as they talked about some past works and also on drawing too. Sugie being able to connect with everyone, his experience to be able to estimate on all the frames! Glad they finished the last episode, couldn't stop smiling as they were sort of crying. |
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| Great episode. It is getting better and better. Btw sountrack was awesome. |
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| Sugie saves the day. Loved it how everyone worked hard on the key frames and wanted to learn more from Sugie. |
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| Oi-chan's love of Andes Chucky saved the day! |
| Lol to Ema, blurting things without realizing it. I wonder if anno himself voiced the kanno guy in this episode. 5/5 |
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| great ep sugie-san saving the day this anime is getting better and better the hidden gem of 2014 |
| Sugie is such an awesome guy, he is one of my favs in this anime now. So many smiles this episode. Yup, best episode so far. Proud of everyone. |
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| In the raw version, there was a legal disclaimer that flashed across the bottom of the screen from 02:20 to 02:25. That was the scene were Aoi was standing outside the door of Kanno-san's home (菅野光明). During their meeting, you could see that Kanno has an extremely-detailed model of a World-War-II-era submarine in a glass case just behind his sofa. What the legal disclaimer said was: この物語はフィクションです。実在の人物‧団体‧地名とは一切関係ありません。 Kono monogatari wa fikushon desu. Jitsuzai no jinbutsu ‧ dantai ‧ chimei to wa issai kankei arimasen. I think this roughly means, "This is a work of fiction. There is no relationship to any real person, organization or place." This legal disclaimer normally always appears at the end of Hollywood movies. However, I am fairly sure that I have never ever seen it shown in an anime episode. However, "Haruhi" fans may recall Haruhi Suzumiya reading this out at the end of the movie that they showed at the culture festival. So, why the disclaimer? After all of the chaos following the copyright issue with Episode 6, there was a rumor floating around that Ichiro Itano (板野一郎), who worked on the 1980 anime series "Space Runaway Ideon" (伝説巨神イデオン, Densetsu Kyojin Ideon), was furious to see a fictional animator appear in the episode by the name of "Saburo Kitano" (北野三郎) who appeared to be a parody of Itano-san. This rumor was reported in this December 17th Japanese-language article: http://garema.jp/newsDetail/6326/ My guess is that, following the legal debacle of Episode 6, the staff is now being extremely careful to avoid getting sued again. My next question is, why does this legal disclaimer not appear in the subbed version? - - - - - - - - - - Hachikirra asked: I wonder if anno himself voiced the kanno guy in this episode. No. The voice performer for Kanno-san was Shouto Kashii (樫井笙人). He voiced Manami's grandfather in OreImo. |
okanaganDec 25, 2014 10:41 AM
| Great episode as usual, I wonder how the staff feels about making an anime like that lol |
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babymimi said: Great episode as usual, I wonder how the staff feels about making an anime like that lol I think it was mentioned that this was their first anime project in 7 years, probably after the disaster of Jiggly Jiggly Heaven. With that in mind, I assume that the staff must've been determined to prove that the studio can produce a quality-made anime and restore their reputation. On another note, the bear FINALLY had got successful on his 12th attempt! =D |
| Really nice ep :D Loved the horse drawing part. Sugie-san is BA :3 Good work Musani. It was nice seeing them all happy after finishing ^^ I wonder what nxt |
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| That horse animation was great. Based Sugie-sama |
Huh, Tarou can draw |
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| That episode was great! I liked the fact that Sugie-san was the savior of the last episode (and also Aoi). And they should have shown more of Exodus! ;_; |
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| One can learn from someone who has experience. Sugie saved the day with his legendary skills. |
| Miyamori is only 19?? Hmmm Look at all that chocolateeee "Please go ahead and cry" lol Yay, we may finally see Sugie work more! Great to see everyone working together on Christmas Day. The music was rather "Christmas-like" as well. God the tension and celebration makes me feel like a part of the team. |
| So things turned out alright just barely tho but it was a nice episode. Don't just cut of old people just because there style isn't in anymore and they got a bit slower, their experience and knowledge is still something you can rely on. And it can be very valuable especially for young employees who are still learning the job. |
| I am really loving this show more and more! I was a little nervous when the words "crashed" and "froze" were mentioned and when that fat guy was panicky. Haha. The stress. But good thing that everything turned out fine. And I love how they all hang out together after days of hard work... I hope they will get that new project. Looking forward to what issue will they face next time. |
| Yay! Nice wrap-up for the 1st cour. I want a couch like Kanno-san's, lol Miyamori singing the Andes Chucky song in the car was pretty cute and seeing everyone counting down together to see the episode was quite heartwarming. Also, it was nice seeing the bear finally made it after 11 weeks of failure. lol |
「喜びも悲しみもあなたさえ五等分なんです！」  |
And Merry Christmas was saved for Musashino Animation :) Is it me or Anno likes his AVA series more than the movies? Not that I will object, but was kind of curious how the question raised some sort of distinction b/w knowing anime and being familiar with a series. You know, I was sure Suigie-san was a hidden hand grenade. He was trying to help Ema with the cat drawings, she got stuck with few episodes back, without intruding himself. That is, there are young animators who probably struggle as Ema did, and crave to learn more, draw better, support their projects with more skills. On the other hand, the mind blowing hectic work isn't a thing for elderly professionals, yet they could give a lot more with a little accommodation and consideration. Still don't know which anime Andes Chucky stands for, probably have never seen it, but its OP fit amazingly the winter holidays. Happy holidays, MA/PA :) |
zellamiDec 25, 2014 4:20 PM
| I cannot believe how many times I've gotten these two mixed up. |
| One of the best episodes so far. I really loved the team's hardwork and patience. 5/5 |
| Ah, the title drop. Kondo-Isao said: I cannot believe how many times I've gotten these two mixed up.  |
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| Great episode! It was gritty how that they had to rush. It was fun and at the same time tense seeing all the Musani animators work hard fast to finish it on time. And when it was finally done, I feel like rejoicing and crying at the same time. Sugie-san is awesome. I think the new animators needs to learn from him and he needs to pass down all this experience and knowledge to the new ones. Also. General Manager blushing. How cute and we finally see the goth-loli girl once again. I wonder what's next for Musani? |
| Today really must be a Christmas Miracle for anime. Sugie-san has saved the day. It was a really great episode seeing everyone work hard and join together. |
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zellami said: Still don't know which anime Andes Chucky stands for, probably have never seen it, but its OP fit amazingly the winter holidays. Happy holidays, MA/PA :) This is most likely Andes Chucky was based on: http://myanimelist.net/anime/4615/Yama_Nezumi_Rocky_Chuck |
| Takuan_Soho said: While your theory certainly is possible, I would like to think that this time it was a joke. It was SO obvious that the character was based on a real person (Anno, errrr I mean Kanno) that putting that disclaimer at that time made it like a self-referential bit of comedy. I do like this idea that the "legal disclaimer" was just fourth-wall humor. On the other hand, I have never seen a case where text (or anything else) appeared on the screen in the raw version but had completely disappeared after it got subbed. In any case, they certainly seemed to be extremely respectful in the way that they portrayed the real-life Anno. - - - - - - - I was astounded at the realism of the horse animation. These three girls are so cute.  |
okanaganDec 25, 2014 6:42 PM
| So just like a lot of people guessed last week, Sugie comes in to save the day. The 2 most important things to take away from this episode: 1: The girl finally took the bear's love letter in the ED. 2: We now know the name of the anime is based off of the title of Exodus' 13th episode. |
| Sugie-san saves the day! I knew he'd be one of my favorite characters in this anime. And the horse animation was awesome ^^ |
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| "The Legendary Sugie-san" Who would've known the quiet guy had serious skills. Everyone was in beast mode as they worked at top speed so that the final episode could air. Hopefully next year the next episodes show more of Oi's friends. |
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| Congrats Musashino Animation your hard work pays off :D that ED song, congrats Kuma xD |
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| Ooh so that's what Shirobako means.. Man, this anime is great! I was as tense as the staffs and was just as happy when the whole thing turned out all right. I think we can all learn to be kinder to studios when it comes to bad animation especially if it's a difficult scene. Very often things that were only shown for a few seconds on the scene or on the background are the hardest things to do. We often take for granted things like those, like the animation of a hundred horses because unless you've worked as an animator it's difficult to comprehend the difficulty of creating realistic animal movements. This is true for 3D animation too since whatever the medium, the principles applied are still the same. I once spent a few days just getting the animation of baby chick to look good. It's really a lot easier to animate humans since we're all used to it. |
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| Daang that horse chasing scene was insane! I'm so glad we got to see it ^^ Props to the amazing "Legendary Sugie-san," he really has some legendary skills that weren't fully utilized at all. I like how everyone had so much to learn from Sugie, and how much they wanted to learn from him. It was also great to see much effort the animators had to put in to study horses. And of course, their efforts paid off! The scene itself is still kind of ridiculous, but who cares because the animation is beautiful haha. Really liked the camera work in that scene. So happy to see Exodus being able to end without a problem unlike Kinoshita's previous work. I really liked feeling as if I was part of the team, or as if I was there with Musani, since we watched 12 weeks of Shirobako alongside of them creating their one cour show. Twas a stressful and intense 12 weeks to say the least XD Hopefully we get to see more of the Aoi's other friends~ (Also, liking that title drop at the end there.) |
| It is just my random guess but Andes Chucky the anime Miyamori loved when she was a kid is, "Rocky Chuck, the Mountain Rat" (The English title was Fables of the Green Forest) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fables_of_the_Green_Forest (1973) The opening song is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr5Lu3eQGMc The way of singing the opening song is somewhat similar each other. Also, the old titles of the animes Kanno referred to as Sugie's old works ("Brown-haired Anne" and "The Adventure if Sanba") were Anne of Green Gables http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_of_Green_Gables_%28anime%29 (1979) and Ganba no Bōken http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganba_no_B%C5%8Dken (1975). So, Sugie is really a forgotten legend who once established the golden age of Japanese animation in 1970's. It was a bit sad thing that most of young people working for the anime industry now weren't born yet when they were broadcasted and there weren't video recorders or DVD players those days.  Sugie sees himself as a kind of old dog that can't learn new tricks and always acts modestly and politely to everyone, so most of young staff didn't have an idea that he was the living legend. |
htsujiDec 26, 2014 6:40 PM
Jonesy974 said: 2: We now know the name of the anime is based off of the title of Exodus' 13th episode. Not really, shirobako just literally means white box and that's where the finished animation product is placed to. |
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| Good how they managed to conclude the work. A pro is simply a pro. |
| Is Sugie really a "living legend" because he worked on drawing animals from a random kids show from 40 years ago? I think they just were lucky to find someone who could draw animals. |
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RyanSaotome said: Is Sugie really a "living legend" because he worked on drawing animals from a random kids show from 40 years ago? I think they just were lucky to find someone who could draw animals. The guy solo key-animated that kids show's whole opening for just a week, remember? The title "a living legend" isn't really that far-fetched imo and besides, it's extremely really rare to find animators these days that could animate cuts that fast but still has the consistency. To that horse part scene, Toshiyoki Inoue (a close friend of PA Works' president and one of the most influential KA in real life), was given a special credit for that particular scene in the ED so there are these speculations that Sugie might be the show's Inoue animated version. I'm not completely sure though, might be wrong. Here are Inoue's other animation works -> http://sakuga.yshi.org/post?tags=toshiyuki_inoue |
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