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Nayrael said: Really we cant tell either way yet, theres enough evidence that it could be going either way and not any one of us can really know for sure, we can only just go with whichever side we want it to and hope for the bestNah, the thing with the gorilla ain't real. We already saw earlier in the episode how Masajoshi imagined himself being a superhero while reading his grandfather's notes. I'm on the side that its gonna be a action series even though i want it to be the funny comedy series stuck in reality |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Hurr durr!!!! I had a feeling this twist was coming. I felt it in mah bones! |
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| WTF was my initial reaction. Next . THIS IS FUKIN AWESOME !!!. :) This show is becoming better and better in my oppinion ^_^ Can't wait for next episode. |
| I am better than you. |
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| holy SHIT that was IN FUCKING SANE JESUS CHRIST WHATTTTTT DAMN I AM SO HYPE FOR NEXT WEEK THIS IS MADNESS |
parfaited said: without criticism there isnt progressblob said: Criticizing the show, even the production company for 5 minutes of one episode, this is going Robotics;Notes all over again. Get over it, and don't judge this book from only one paragraph in one page. Thank you. Relax yo. Personally I like criticize shows and production companies on the daily basis, several times a day. It is what it is. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| The director has done a lot of amazing work I think for now we just have to trust him.. |
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| Chew those flower petals girl :P The hell 0_0 wasn't expecting that, this show is gonna get a major makeover soon. Maybe it will be a in anime movie scene/tv episode like others have said, like maybe they would tell everyone, but him to make it an awesome movie. If it's real though I bet they will do a Tiger and Bunny type of thing with Samuria Flamenco and the Flamenco girls, and this anime will lose it's realism factor. Either way I'm like 99% positive that the guy who kept calling Masayoshi's agent is behind it or will be reporting/filming every minute of it since he was getting bored. |
JizzyHitler said: parfaited said: without criticism there isnt progressblob said: Criticizing the show, even the production company for 5 minutes of one episode, this is going Robotics;Notes all over again. Get over it, and don't judge this book from only one paragraph in one page. Thank you. Relax yo. Personally I like criticize shows and production companies on the daily basis, several times a day. It is what it is. I couldn't agree more. Also, I appear to be calm, but thanks for worrying. I'm just saying you don't need to get all serious about it yet. As you've said (and me too on my first post on this thread), we don't know how this will go yet, so yeah. I believe it is what it is, too, trust me, if you knew me, you'd think I'm probably criticizing too many things. PS: I enjoyed R;N. |
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| Was. That. Even. Real?! I kept on waiting for someone to say something like "Cut! That's a wrap guys." and everyone to resume being NORMAL. Anyway, good. It's interesting seeing this kind of show become dark and serious. SixFlags said: What the heck happened during the last 5 minutes? ^ |
| This all just feels sudden. One minute, he's busting street thugs and helping the common good. The next, going up against monsters led by an evil organization? I don't mind, but this all feels so sudden. I loved having superheroes in modern times, but this serious turn just came out of nowhere. An villain was totally expected, but... I don't know, I never thought it would be like this. Hopefully, it'll all make sense in the end because I still do hold high hopes for this one. |
| The one thing that I'd love to see is a lesbian yandere. |
| Dat 180 degree turn of realism... lol I got a feeling that they pulled off a troll this week so they drag the whole 'supervillain' thing to next week before concluding it as filming in progress or just something inside Masayoshi's head . Makes more sense as a film in progress since Ensemble director is known for directing superhero shows after all. Just surprised Goto is also involved somehow. |
| Definitely wasn't expecting this series to go all supernatural. I felt things were going to get darker when I got into this episode but shit man bringing gorillas with guillotine in their stomach is not the way to do it. Not so abruptly anyways. I sure hope they're just trying to troll and bring us back to reality in the next episode or this show will have lost all the special things it had going for it. Hazaza and Gotou worked pretty well together and I'm sure it'll be noted in the upcoming episodes for a future team between then. |
| That's why I wouldn't panic yet. Doing unexpected stuff is an art more than a default, catching the viewers by surprise takes skill, if you can hold on to it and make sense in the universe created. I'm much more interested in this show now, although I found it really good before also. |
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blob said: that i disagree with immensely, catching the viewer off guard with foreshadowing and hints prior to it is good writing, pulling a twist and tonal shift like this out of thin air is horrendous writing that anyone can do. That's why I wouldn't panic yet. Doing unexpected stuff is an art more than a default, catching the viewers by surprise takes skill, Thats like having a romantic comedy, then 30 minutes into it ZOMBIES. That takes no skill. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| lesson learnt: don't do drugs bad things happen ok srsly though haha how could they have such a gory end to the episode then play that cute ED song?! Teyo said: What. Had a hunch at the beginning of the series that it could turn into a darker one at one point, but didn't expect a sudden twist like this. Then again, the director for this series directed Durarara which had a fair share of plot twists as well. Liking this show even more now. DRR!! to me had a more subtle plot twist; you didn't really experience it directly it just happened and when you finished the anime, you were mind blown because you tried to put it all together but couldn't really pin point precisely when the twist happened --or at least that's how i felt. |
ribbon-risaNov 21, 2013 3:41 PM
| This must be a dream.Yea, its a dream for sure. |
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| Whoa, I thought maybe a anti-hero or evil drug lord (etc) next but never had I guess mutated gorilla beheading people. Sht just got too real too fast for me... |
| Wtf. I am confused. I thouht it will be a mere show with people who believe in heroes and think that they are them, but suddenly some gorilla arrived from a stoned man, and I sat in my room with "wtf smile" and facepalm. I do not even want to know what will happen in the next episode lol. I feel somehow trolled by that series but ok. At first I thought it was Masayoshi dream. And still I hope it's only a dream too. A NIGHTMARE. |
dayoooooonNov 21, 2013 4:03 PM
 you tellin me mangas aint japanese colouring books |
| That was either the biggest asspull of the year or it's a genius prank that will be unmasked in the following episodes. |
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Litrydow said: theres a possibility of the latter, and god i hope that is what they take.That was either the biggest asspull of the year or it's a genius prank that will be unmasked in the following episodes. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: blob said: that i disagree with immensely, catching the viewer off guard with foreshadowing and hints prior to it is good writing, pulling a twist and tonal shift like this out of thin air is horrendous writing that anyone can do. That's why I wouldn't panic yet. Doing unexpected stuff is an art more than a default, catching the viewers by surprise takes skill, Thats like having a romantic comedy, then 30 minutes into it ZOMBIES. That takes no skill. Like I keep saying, I probably won't be around, but I'll give you reason if the episode after this one does not satisfy these conditions of lack of foreshadowing. For now, it was shot at the utter end of an episode and I doubt it has been done that way randomly. If it was, I'll give you reason. For now, I can't say anything more than saying that we just gotta wait or else it's pointless arguing between the two of us. :P Also, you didn't get what I meant. It indeed takes no skill to just implement zombies in a rom-com that had nothing to do with them beforehand, but to KEEP going and staying on that change of pace/universe is a skill. |
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| This show just went from okay to shit. Seriously? A gorilla? A guy transforming into a gorilla? Yeah okay. Nice asspull. |
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JizzyHitler said: Thats like having a romantic comedy, then 30 minutes into it ZOMBIES. That takes no skill. How is that remotely applicable to this scenario? No, this would be akin to a comedy about a nerd who loves Zombie things and then 30 minutes in we get real zombies. And if doing this is so easy and takes no skill, how come I've NEVER seen it happen before ever? These types of shows or movies are either supernatural off the bat or not. The fact that they faked right and went left is actually brilliant, provided that they make it work, of course. |
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blob said: ok seriously, just sotp and listen for a second cause it seems like you really arentJizzyHitler said: blob said: that i disagree with immensely, catching the viewer off guard with foreshadowing and hints prior to it is good writing, pulling a twist and tonal shift like this out of thin air is horrendous writing that anyone can do. That's why I wouldn't panic yet. Doing unexpected stuff is an art more than a default, catching the viewers by surprise takes skill, Thats like having a romantic comedy, then 30 minutes into it ZOMBIES. That takes no skill. For now, it was shot at the utter end of an episode and I doubt it has been done that way randomly.. The problem here, is that there was no foreshadowing or hints to a twist, it does not matter one bit what comes afterwords, the twist is completly ruined by a lack of structure before it, they could give every little bit of context to every little event after episode 7 but it'd still be for naught as it needs the structure before. This is extremely bad writing no matter what way you look at it, and in the off chance this was a dream or a movie and is done as a joke then this whole sequence becomes a ass pull, this was just a bad idea from all direction |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
ribbon-risa said: DRR!! to me had a more subtle plot twist; you didn't really experience it directly it just happened and when you finished the anime, you were mind blown because you tried to put it all together but couldn't really pin point precisely when the twist happened --or at least that's how i felt. True, the plot twists were different in their nature, but I still got a similar feeling from both of them for some reason; both shows seemed quite calm/slice-of-life-y at the beginning and then the twists came. Can't really explain the feeling of similarity better than that. I gotta admit though: my mind was blown several times even before finishing DRR. It'll be funny if this turns to be a dream/ final episode of that show/etc. We'll see next week. |
neontaster said: yah and you know why that would work? because it happens in 30 minutes, its still in its premise, this did it hours in real time and months in story time into its series and is close to its halfway point. pulling it this far into it is again, horrendous writing.JizzyHitler said: Thats like having a romantic comedy, then 30 minutes into it ZOMBIES. That takes no skill. How is that remotely applicable to this scenario? No, this would be akin to a comedy about a nerd who loves Zombie things and then 30 minutes in we get real zombies. neontaster said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched themJizzyHitler said: Thats like having a romantic comedy, then 30 minutes into it ZOMBIES. That takes no skill. And if doing this is so easy and takes no skill, how come I've NEVER seen it happen before ever? heres a great example of one http://myanimelist.net/anime/5020/Zettai_Shougeki:_Platonic_Heart |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| ...What? This was becoming one of my favorite shows this season and now I don't know. I'm not going to drop it, but I'm really curious as to what will happen next due to such a drastic shift in tone for the show. I would be perfectly fine with an evil organization but the Guillotine Gorilla was a little much. |
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| Lmao shit for sure escalated hella quickly at the end. The gorilla dude was on some pills from the Torture organization, that explains the gorilla transformation I guess. |
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| Not necessarily. Maybe it doesn't appeal to you, but look at all the commotion it has created. In that sense, it's a success. I also invite you to re-read my previous post in case you haven't. I don't disagree with what neontaster said either, it's not necessarily 'bad' writing. It's original, for the most part. A next-level cliffhanger technique, never before-seen for me. We need to see the next episodes, but I don't mind the rupture of contract between us and the anime. I think maybe you don't understand what a rupture of contract is (or maybe I'm not using the right term). |
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JizzyHitler said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched them Oh I must have missed that lesson in creative writing class. "Lesson 1: Surprises = terrible writing." Thanks. Great argument. |
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neontaster said: JizzyHitler said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched them Oh I must have missed that lesson in creative writing class. "Lesson 1: Surprises = terrible writing." Thanks. Great argument. Here's a real lesson: Asspull = terrible writing. |
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| WTF was that? o_O I really hope that was some Flamenco fantasy (like it was before when he was reading letter of his grandpa or some movie action... for the sake of this series. Because otherwise... they just slaughtered this show pretty hard. I really hope they are just trolling us. This episode was really good up to this point, even Gotou x Masayoshi talk near the telephone booth was well done and moving in its way but this is no no if that's true. (still wonder what Gotou's gf had to do with his reason to join the police. the probability she was killed and he wasn't able to act is a lot higher now) |
Litrydow said: and there you goneontaster said: JizzyHitler said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched them Oh I must have missed that lesson in creative writing class. "Lesson 1: Surprises = terrible writing." Thanks. Great argument. Here's a real lesson: Asspull = terrible writing. Neontaser you are completly misinterprating what i said so here ill spell it out Creating a twist that completly catches you off guard that has been heavilly hinted at and foreshadowed throughout a portion of the series = good writing Pulling a tonal shift and twist out of absolutly nowhere with no build up, structure, or foreshadowing, or even remotely related setting(you can just jump from reality to supernatural in a second) = bad writing case and point of good writing is friend's identity in 20th century boys, theres a ton of structure and hints as to who it is, but you never are able to piece it together till after hes revealed and iv not seen anyone call who it ended up being |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| You two (Jizzy and litry) are being far too subjective by saying 'asspull'. Maybe you, Jizzy, is the one that needs to calm down (not that I mind talking with you, though, just so that you could get a bird's view of the situation). Just be patient until next week. So far, you've completely fallen into the author's trap! So, give credit to the author, he surprised everyone. Now, will he be able to back it up next week? That's what makes things interesting. Just because there is no foreshadowing doesn't mean it's bad writing. Unless it's a universal law that I'm not aware of, I remember reading about great writers that have ruptured contracts between the reader and the story and it has resulted in grand success. |
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blob said: I'm not the one that told you to calm down, that was parfaidMaybe you, Jizzy, is the one that needs to calm down blob said: We are, its you and neonaster instigating misinterprating and putting words into our mouths thats causing this conversation to go on so long Just be patient until next week. So far, blob said: name them, name a single story that resulted in greatness of a singular twist that had 0 foreshadowing hints or structure.I remember reading about great writers that have ruptured contracts between the reader and the story and it has resulted in grand success. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Litrydow said: neontaster said: JizzyHitler said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched them Oh I must have missed that lesson in creative writing class. "Lesson 1: Surprises = terrible writing." Thanks. Great argument. Here's a real lesson: Asspull = terrible writing. What the fuck does that even mean? How is it an asspull? Since when do you have to establish from the first moment whether or not something has supernatural elements? Ever head of A Song of Ice and Fire? Yeah, total asspull in those books, right? |
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My2Yen said: The plot twist was unexpected.The ratings for this anime just skyrocketed to number 1, beating Nizuma eiji and Ashirogi Muto! Confirmed on Bakuman season 4. My 2 cents. Nicely said! I really loved Bakuman, and the reference was well placed. :P Although your 2 cents don't match your name... should be something like "My .02 cents." @Jizzy : Ah, my bad, thought you were the one that told me to calm down. |
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neontaster said: Litrydow said: neontaster said: JizzyHitler said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched them Oh I must have missed that lesson in creative writing class. "Lesson 1: Surprises = terrible writing." Thanks. Great argument. Here's a real lesson: Asspull = terrible writing. What the fuck does that even mean? How is it an asspull? Since when do you have to establish from the first moment whether or not something has supernatural elements? Ever head of A Song of Ice and Fire? Yeah, total asspull in those books, right? Go study some storytelling, mate. |
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neontaster said: Litrydow said: neontaster said: JizzyHitler said: Cause it does happen, not often cause its terrible writing, you just havent watched them Oh I must have missed that lesson in creative writing class. "Lesson 1: Surprises = terrible writing." Thanks. Great argument. Here's a real lesson: Asspull = terrible writing. What the fuck does that even mean? How is it an asspull? Since when do you have to establish from the first moment whether or not something has supernatural elements? Ever head of A Song of Ice and Fire? Yeah, total asspull in those books, right? you know song of ice and fire had supernatural elements in its premise and was clearly marketed as a fantasy novel series from the start right? |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Totally didn't see this coming............. |
Litrydow said: Go study some storytelling, mate. Please direct me to the venerable storytelling class that includes the technical term "asspull." You have exactly zero idea what you are talking about. JizzyHitler said: you know song of ice and fire had supernatural elements in its premise and was clearly marketed as a fantasy novel series from the start right? WRONG! You spend THE ENTIRE first book wondering if there are supernatural elements or not. Martin keeps it vague as long as he possibly can. Mod Edit: Quote tower removed. You only need to quote the last comment you are replying to. |
rodacNov 22, 2013 2:26 AM
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| @Fizzy : I'm not at home right now, so I can't check into my notes; I'll come back to you as soon as I can though, maybe on your profile. Should be home in ~3 hours. u_u; I just can't find the exact term in French (nor English, since I didn't learn it in that language), which would help me do a quick Google search, lol. |
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| I still think this is attempt to PR stunt to make this episode topic of many debates on internets but it is rather cheap way of getting publicity by trolling viewers (the more so when this series was nicely realistic before). I simply don't like them breaking the fourth wall while trying to get those reactions. But I got theory something big will be revealed next time and they are just trying to gain as much viewers and publicity for it as it is possible. Cause everyone would be interested what happens next after seeing this stunt. But one way or another, this will be defining point of this series so they better take care of it properly. If this proves right and this guillotine-gorila is disproved in first few minutes of next ep that I am ok with this. Edit: My bet is this is not only PR stunt of creators of this show but also PR stunt of Akira Konno's agency (remember how he said there is nothing interesting happening in the city?) Gotou and Flamenco actions could be genuine, with others being hired stuntmen. Media attention is everything these days. |
Mich666Nov 21, 2013 4:59 PM
neontaster said: WRONG! You spend THE ENTIRE first book wondering if there are supernatural elements or not. Martin keeps it vague as long as he possibly can. See the difference? The mysteries were there. Do the Others exist? Do the dragons exist? What was the strange event in the prologue of the first book? That kind of stuff gets answered and twisted as the story goes on, they didn't appear out of thin air. Were monsters and evil lords ever mentioned in Samurai Flamenco? They're living in a reallistic setting, it's not a fantasy or sci-fi. Even if it was to be revealed it was a fantasy or sci-fi, it needed something beforehand pointing that out. But I think we're just being trolled by the director, this must be the TV show Hazama was going to appear in. It's not possible for a writer to be this shitty. neontaster said: Please direct me to the venerable storytelling class that includes the technical term "asspull." You have exactly zero idea what you are talking about. You don't even need that, you can go the most accessible database about it: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull |
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