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Apr 16, 2008 11:32 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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So Eva is going to hunt down Johan eh? I think it's predictable that she'll fail miserabily. But I hope they make it inresting, like she'll kill someone else (like Roberto), or that someone will save her in the last minute =P
Apr 17, 2008 3:33 AM
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From your post, I can safely assume that you hadn't complete watching Monster. Yep, Eva will try to kill Johan herself because like Tenma, she wants to end everything with her own hands.

Without giving any spoilers, all I can say is that the next 14 episodes will be very unpredictable for you.
Apr 21, 2008 3:07 AM
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That's why he's posting in this episode discussion only. Only EPISODE 60, it's already obvious that he hasn't completed watching Monster. Hahaha! XD LOL!

Well, the DVD always jacked up. I can't watch the 2nd half, I'm already on ep61. Hahaha! It's weird that I can still catch up on the story! ^^
Sep 3, 2008 4:41 PM
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AnaeCrytic said:
From your post, I can safely assume that you hadn't complete watching Monster.

good thinking anyway nice episode
Dec 29, 2008 12:16 PM
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yay eva will die. she has to ;) she kind of redeemed herself but ruining sandwiches is unforgivable D:

Apr 8, 2009 1:59 AM
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Eva taking things into her own hands? And Johan's apprentice sucks, he ain't too monstrous.
Apr 30, 2009 4:18 PM
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aww that episode made me cry o_o!
May 12, 2009 8:39 AM
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Eva was sweet... I knew, she will be nice D:
Anyway... She is nice only because of Martin...
Aug 1, 2009 12:35 AM
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EuphoricField said:
aww that episode made me cry o_o!

I can't imagine how much you cried during Clannad, lol.

I can't wait to see more of the apprentice, even though I don't really like him.
Aug 14, 2009 1:23 PM

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So now Eva is getting in on the 'kill Johan brigade'. I have a feeling the last 14 eps are going to be filled with twists and turns - can't wait :P
Oct 1, 2009 11:34 AM

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Martiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnn.. ;_;
I know he's not an important character, but I just love him..
Dec 14, 2009 6:04 AM

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Martin=awesome. I know the plot is twisty enough that there's never not something to talk about, but there could at least be more than a couple other people who will miss the guy.
I've always had a soft spot for Eva, as her personality foils Tenma's utter lack of flaws. She pretty much became my favorite character after this episode.
May 10, 2010 10:06 PM

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I would have liked Martin even more if he didn't beat up Tenma!

Also, when Eva isn't sloppy drunk, and doesn't have those sinister eyes of hers, she kinda looks like an older version of Anna.
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May 11, 2010 7:56 AM
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I'll never like eva, but this episode made me like her a little.
May 14, 2010 5:26 PM

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I watch Dub. So yeah I'm also on Episode 60. But I kinda hate that Tenma & Eva didnt do anything Special. Like Hug each other or ask themselves what they did wrong and why. All because of that dumbass Martin Moment... Well I find him cool. Except when he beated up Tenma & Yeah. Thats all I gotta say
May 25, 2010 10:28 AM

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AWW, MARTIN!! ;__;
I hated Eva until now, she's starting to grow on me. As long as she drops the whole bitchy-attitude.
Jul 8, 2010 3:43 AM

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At the start of the episode I thought "just shoot the damn woman", and by the end of it I thought "well ok, it's fine if she survives". I guess I like Eva a little bit now ^^

On to the next ep!

Jul 21, 2010 8:32 AM

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Martin!! :(

Eva + Big Gun = Surely Fail xD
Jul 27, 2010 11:04 AM

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"Who are you going to kill?" "A devil." Aw hell, you're just a little late jumping on the "kill" Johan bandwagon, Madam, but I guess that's okay.
Oct 20, 2010 12:08 AM

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Wow, with this episode Eva jumped up to being one of my favorite characters of this series. She was already kind of high up there anyway, though. I have a thing for flawed characters, you see. Anyway, Martin was another in a long list of interesting, well developed supporting characters that comes from this show.
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Nov 17, 2010 4:50 PM

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though i thought martin would live and that eva would obey but no, things
are really taken a toll

Behold of my awesomeness~
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But my feels.
Dec 19, 2010 8:29 AM

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- Eva Heinemann has joined the game.

Johann's really a popular guy :P
May 18, 2011 7:30 AM

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Aww Martin. :(
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~
Jun 13, 2011 12:09 PM
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I hate how Monster kills off all the cool side characters. First the detective and now Martin... The ending is shaping up quite nice.
Oct 17, 2011 3:22 AM

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The beginning of the end.
Dec 22, 2011 10:57 PM

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Eva cried for martin,wow i would have never had guessed she would had cried for a guy dying,i wonder if she "fell in love withe him" afterall,i think shesee too focoused on tenma anyway...i think she will end up dying for him or somthing?
Feb 19, 2012 1:38 PM

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eva is a sandwich wrecking bitch she will only be forgiven for her disgusting behaviour in the past, if she dies killing johann or protecting tenma
Mar 13, 2012 6:20 AM

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Too bad Martin died for someone like Eva.
Mar 19, 2012 12:32 PM

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eva is crazy as always
Jun 11, 2012 7:01 AM
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Poor Martin. Women were a dangerous thing for him indeed.

And Eva is surely going to get herself in trouble trying to whack Johan herself.
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Sep 2, 2012 5:17 PM
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so how many people are after Johan again?
Sep 27, 2012 1:52 PM

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Kind of hope that Eva gets killed, she has done so many bitchy things and has yet to really have any real consequences. Though I do appreciate that her eyes aren't all slanted and scary anymore.
Nov 17, 2012 3:56 PM

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Wow, Eva actually was human in this episode, and I don't think she had that facial expression that screamed "punch me" even once the entire time. She's finally grasped what a horrible person she is, so maybe she'll actually try to be a decent individual from now on. So as much as I dislike her, I was kinda hoping she would run away with Martin and start over. *sigh* But then poor Martin had to get killed. I wanted to cry. :(
Dec 21, 2012 6:21 AM

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This show really is touching sometimes.

About Episode:

So Martin knew that those organizations guy could come after him and also seems like he resisted the Johan's new apperentice's psychology manipulating. Good thing he told Eva to escape also it was kind of cool when those people came to room. Martin just break through that glass window. But the guy who was really afraid of him got his chance too bad Martin :(

Looks like Experiments are still ongoing on Red Roses Mansion so this much mean that this happened before Johan burn it our someone rebuild it. And there were only one survivor like Johan's Peter Capek his the one with sunglasses. So this guy want to create dictator like Johan. Or something like that.

Good thing Eva understand how bad person she was in her life. And of course she is now taking revenge for Johan because she loved Martin. And Johan eliminated him.

It was good that Eva escaped to Munchen and hopefully she will tell Dr Reinchwield what really happened. But looks like Eva also has something to do know. I was sad that Martin couldn't came to that station but at least Tenma came there.

Hopefully Tenma can investigate more things in that hotel which Martin talked about and finally soon end all his struggle with Johan. I am quite amazed how did Tenma did also knew so much about organization.

Also now this become interesting there is 4 people now who really are after Johan. Tenma, Nina, Eva, Lunge if we can also put General Wolfe and Schuwald here I wonder but they basically trust the Tenma. so that's why there are 4 persons. I wonder who is going to get Johan in the end.

5/5
Dec 25, 2012 5:34 PM

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Time to save Tenma tbh. I'm also wondering who will get to Johan at the end.
Jan 29, 2013 9:08 PM

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Nooo, not Martin.

Feb 27, 2013 10:26 PM
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Eva is finally going to do something besides drinking.
Mar 5, 2013 6:48 PM

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Mr-Dinosaur said:
EuphoricField said:
aww that episode made me cry o_o!

I can't imagine how much you cried during Clannad, lol.

I can't wait to see more of the apprentice, even though I don't really like him.


MARTIIIIIIIINNNNNNNN :(

Oh man, clannad. Now that was a tear-jerker
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Apr 28, 2013 5:15 PM

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Martin was a good man. Its saddening that another great character dies.

:(
May 8, 2013 10:27 AM

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Excellent episode. Things are surely getting pretty intense from now on. And Nina's german friend is back.
Jul 1, 2013 7:17 PM

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So now three of the four second-tier characters (Anna, Lunge, Eva) are after Johan on their own. Someone get Dieter a gun and we'll be all set.
Jul 21, 2013 5:14 PM

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I would have made proving Tenma innocent my priority since Eva is the only one that can be called a witness (I think?) but okay. She could have helped massively just with that. :\ IDK I still don't like her.
Aug 22, 2013 12:59 PM
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See Eva is a really nice girl she is just a bitch sometimes she's a tsundere with less dere and just when Martin was supposed to shot Eva she was saved by saying Tenma's name even just by saying Tenma's name you can be saved huh poor Martin you are a good guy and of course she is planning to kill Johann too to add drama at the end oh boy I should save the last 14 episodes for later time to sleep now.

*I'd like the biggest gun you have*
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finally they showed how the duel came down!! tbh i thought this was a crime anime just by looking at the action scenes!

Martin NOOOOOO!!!

first off i can't believed no one noticed on how Martin is the first person to be able to resist the devil's temptation.

sure it was not Johan that intimidated him, but surely he still fought till the end and refused to take part to this devil's plan.

Martin was so close to surviving the battle. if only he had at least one more bullet. though i wonder why he didn't dodge? he should have not spend time on smoking on the middle of the rain and instead prepare for more enemies to come.

although this episode was basically information and mourning to Martin's death we definitely learned a lot.

so the parties that's being held was the same as the Red Rose Mansion with everyone being brainwashed and all as evidence by that douchebag rabbit tooth guy.

so that's why Johan burned it. it's because he's gonna replicate the same scenario once again. plus the 46 dead people came from various rich people, so i wouldn't be surprised if Johan does it again in this incident.

though how does Kinderheim 511 fit into all of this? i feel as though they should have used the Red Rose Mansion solely for the experiment itself since we learned quite a lot from that Manson compared to the kinderheim place.

despite Martin was scared of Johan, he still fought till the end.

RIP Martin T__T

and wow this is the first time we see Tenma and Eva sitting together in a long time now. too bad it had to be Martin's death to happen.

if Eva did have feelings to Martin, i wonder if she still has some feelings for Tenma? or is she gonna avenged him?

finally Eva is now blaming herself for what she has done. Took her awhile.

so Eva still have some clues where Johan is and is bringing out the big guns. i wonder if she'll succeed?

it looks like Tenma is gonna face that douchebag wanna be disciple of Johan. i hope Tenma reverse mindfuck him. i don't think we know a lot about Tenma's past besides the fact that he was always a loner since middle school. no parents scenes or anything.

i wonder if Johan is gonna used that as a weapon when they meet again next time.

so Anna/Dietier, Lunge, Tenma, Vardemann/Dr. Reichwein.

i wonder what Grimmer is doing? or the Czechopolice or what about Karl/Schubert.

also Frank Lotte? come on lots of characters to be used!!!

i'll take a break now and study this whole day. i've marathon Monster and i can't believed where getting closer to the end T__T

i wonder how the ending will be? will Eva or others deliver the blow? will Lunge capture and confront both Johan and Tenma? will Anna really kill Johan or talked her way out of this?

soo many questions!!! only few episodes left!
Nov 4, 2013 8:46 PM
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First there was the gardener left by his wife who unpredictably returned before Eva managed to cultivate their relationship further, and now Martin. It was sad to see Martin go. Tough luck, or rather tough love for Eva. Seems like the only person for her is Tenma, though it still puzzles me how the two of them got together in the first place. I can't imagine Tenma being so submissive to his former hospital's higher-ups that ultimately got him engaged to her.

Anyway, it's great to finally see Eva get her shit together. Ironic how all the Johan conundrum brought out her humanity. This is why I love characters like her, you really can't predict how they'll turn out.
Dec 12, 2013 10:48 AM

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+1 for Eva this episode. And she's actually not bad-looking at all when she doesn't have that smug smile on her face.
Dec 31, 2013 5:16 PM

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Man these last few episodes have been extremely awesome! Glad I didn't put it on-hold like I was planning to. :D
Jan 28, 2014 12:32 AM
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Zewerr said:
I would have liked Martin even more if he didn't beat up Tenma!

Also, when Eva isn't sloppy drunk, and doesn't have those sinister eyes of her's, she kinda looks like an older version of Anna.
agreed. She looks like a lizard when she's in evil witch mode!:)
Mar 2, 2014 8:50 PM

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Some decent good character development for Eva in this episode.
Armageddon was yesterday, today we have a problem.
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Things r getting more and more interesting in this show.

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