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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Hmm and so that's how the revolution all began? For the sake of the future, a new world, and Marie's dreams... Interesting. That last chapter and this one were pretty good to reinforce the story. |
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| Well, so that was all just a huge prelude... Got to admit I didn't enjoy many things on this manga. The art made it all worth it though, and it sure has it's interesting points. Looking foward to see Yolandi's revolution. :p |
| can't wait to read the sequel. it's too bad Alain died so quickly though |
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| The art kinda made this manga for me, it had a lot of other things I didn't particularly like in it and it did felt rushed but hey atleast it got a sequel it seems. |
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| That movie credits-like effect was really cool. Looking forward to read Rouge as well. |
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| Jeez, that sucks. Can't believe this manga had such an unbelievably amazing start just to decline so much over the second half (a bit after Marie got big, to be precise). I fell in love with the art at first glance; I thought it was amazing how much feeling the expressions could deliver, how precise and indispensable each stroke seemed to be, how beautifully the period was recreated. I wasn't in love with Charles' character but his interactions with the compellingly diverse cast of characters glued me to the pages, and I was sure this would make it to my list of favourite manga. I was skeptical of the top negative reviews calling the plot a mess and convoluted, since everything seemed so neat at the start. Unfortunately, they were right. More than the plot slowly uncoiling into a mess of threads, I think what killed it for me is that the second half simply lacked what made the first so good: the supporting characters, and thoughtful development. As I said, I was never in love with Charles' character, but his latter development made him into hot garbage. I understand why he acted the way he did, but still, purpose is meaningless if not in the right environment. As I said, the first half had a cast full of interesting secondary characters which made for compelling interactions with Charles, and the impact these interactions had on the story and everyone else. The second half shoved aside all those characters we had already learnt to hate and traded them for a new cast of uninteresting characters full of plots we obviously wouldn't get to see unravelling, nor did I care to see, as well as a bigger focus on Charles and Marie skirmishes — no, actually, just Marie. As I said Charles was hot garbage at this point, and I doubt anyone finished Innocent sharing any sympathy towards him. And then, the development of the plot. Seriously, the pace towards the end is awkward, which made me realise why people thought it was a mess. Things started happening not only too fast, but suddenly. I couldn't help but chuckle the moment Marie took off her wig in the most "gotcha" moment, like some cheap punchline. Eventually the story became so annoying and boring I couldn't even care for the art anymore (which I took a while appreciating at each panel at the beginning), and just wanted to get to the end of it. The, uh, "musical chapters" were also awkward as fuck, and though I think I get what the author intended with them, I didn't appreciate it. So yeah, this was a manga I delayed for years to read and ended up being a huge disappointment. I still enjoyed the hell out of the start, but it became a real drag eventually. |
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| started good and turned into a disappointing piece of crap such a waste |
| Not sure how people are stating it started good.. It was bad and continued to be bad in everything, except the art, the atmosphere and the idea. BUT the art was absolutely stellar.. absolutely 11/10. And the whole depiction and the atmosphere deserves a 10... As much as I disliked actually reading the manga as it was rather dull and predictable, since it is literally a semi documentary type in all senses - I can't really rate this any lower than a 9 without feeling guilty. Absolute must read for those who feel like reading 'history lessons'.. but for those who don't feel like enriching their views into the world of ~1700s - you won't really find anything to keep you reading aside of the stellar artwork. Enlightening, but not as much as reading a history book. Beautiful, but not as productive as reading a history book.. so while an absolute brilliant work which might have been worthy of being called masterpiece - it sadly falls short because of the genre it decided on. It's nice to see that author is developing with each series - starting with pretty pathetic typical action manga to the great work that climber is to this breathtaking beauty. Got my hopes up that one day this author will finally give birth to a true masterpiece. |
| I actually enjoyed the first few parts of the story and I wondered how Charles will change the world just how the way he is but he turned out to be a dislikeable person that may be far from the title of this series "Innocent". Anyway, people and feelings change. He's been through a lot of stuff. I'm a sucker for baddass female character and I like Marie's character and how she was featured in a lot of chapters. I thought she will end up with Andre (seems like a good man) but after meeting her first love again, it sucks how he died quickly. The art is magnificent. The style fits perfectly to the atmosphere. While reading this, I can't help but to think on how people can draw so beautifully? I hope there will be a sequel for this though. Wish to see Marie more. |
  ★━━─ 𝘏𝘰𝘸 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘐 𝘣𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘺 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘵? 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘥𝘢𝘺? |
_kukiyomenai said: I actually enjoyed the first few parts of the story and I wondered how Charles will change the world just how the way he is but he turned out to be a dislikeable person that may be far from the title of this series "Innocent". Anyway, people and feelings change. He's been through a lot of stuff. I'm a sucker for baddass female character and I like Marie's character and how she was featured in a lot of chapters. I thought she will end up with Andre (seems like a good man) but after meeting her first love again, it sucks how he died quickly. The art is magnificent. The style fits perfectly to the atmosphere. While reading this, I can't help but to think on how people can draw so beautifully? I hope there will be a sequel for this though. Wish to see Marie more. There is not only a sequel but it's also already finished - it's called Innocent Rouge and follows Marie and the approximate ''course of history' |
| Pretty good. The obligatory comment about how great the art is. I’ve read and watched Marie Antoinette’s story multiple times - movies, her biography, & Rose of Versailles of course, and this had a pretty good adaptation of her life, minus the over-sexualization of her. The story about Madame Du Barry has been told over and over and this didn’t add much new really. I’ll read the sequel to see the rest of her story told out though. The rest of the series had a lot of potential. A story about a family of executioners? Lots of material to work with. But imo it gets too hung up on over the top gore and sex, and villains that get too cartoony, like the Duke. |
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| I binged this in over a day. It's indisputable how good the art is — and the use of visual metaphors as well. On the other hand, maybe because I read the chapters back to back, I noticed so many continuation issues, plot threads that start in the text and then get thrown away with no resolution, inconsistencies in the character writing, etc. The more historical parts of plot were the better (still not great) ones, it actually puts a nice spin on it, namely Marie Antoinette's. I would've preferred if Damiens execution had been more horrific, how it is portrayed in reports. The more fictional part... Uh... It didn't vibe with me a whole lot. I've grown such animosity towards Charles-Henri that I sighed every time he showed up in a chapter. I still don't know if that's a point in favor of the manga or not, the jury is still out on that one. It absolutely hammers over the reader's head the themes it explores in the most superficial of ways. Barely no subtlety in the text and I think a work that deals with visual metaphors so well, it would've been the better choice. It, at times, comes across as a fever dream propaganda piece. I understand this is just "half" of the story, so maybe the issues I noticed with the writing will get resolved. However, the one-note villains and deus ex-machina seem to be here to stay. For sure, what I really, really enjoyed about it the most was the visual aspect of the manga. I find it hard to appreciate the writing or even recommend this manga at all because of it, though. |
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| Welp like everybody else, I thought this was a hot mess. I actually liked the 2nd part of the series better just because I found Marie to have better arcs than Charles. I wanted to like Charles but his motivations were confusing to follow, and although i understand he became more like his father in order to protect the Samson family name, the logical transition towards that was nonsensical and rushed and felt very contradictory to his previous established character. I was found him to just be really annoying at parts. I wasn't going to read Innocent Rouge but i might have to if it primarily follows Marie since she honestly carried the story |
| Why did Charles suddenly abandon his ideals? Was it because he was forced to execute a large number of people in one day, causing him to turn into someone like his father so easily? While I understand that his character arc involved a starry-eyed idealist becoming jaded by events that happened around him, the execution of his transformation was confusing and felt rushed. It felt like I had skipped a few chapters Marie's character arc is even worse. She went from being a strong and clever independent character who was cruel and egoistical, caring only about her own wants, to suddenly becoming a tsundere-ish, shy, and compassionate maiden. The catalyst for this change was a character that only appeared in the last few chapters, and the transformation itself happened with only a few lines of dialogue in the past. Throughout the story, Marie's brother repeatedly says the same things that Alain does, but it never seems to reach her heart. Instead, she doubles down on her cruelty by prolonging the pain of the people she executes. Then, when she meets Alain again, she suddenly has a flashback and a change of heart? Once again, the problem is not with the character arc itself, but with the execution. At least with Charles, I can see a clear plotline, but with Marie, it feels more like character assassination than an arc. |
| The visual metaphors were great and the imagery was quite over the top, with the dialogue and themes being anything but subtle. But is that a bad thing? No, not really. I actually kinda liked it because it felt like some sort of stage play you'd see in the 1700s, fitting of the time period this manga takes place in. i think the story itself was alright, the first 40 chapters or so was peak, with the height of it being the damiens arc. I think the story kinda devolved as it progressed after the time skip though. I didnt particularly care too much about Louis philippe and the likes. The supporting cast for the first half was way better, with Jean-baptiste, damiens, nicholas, charles, and what not (fuck subyss though). They just felt more believable than the caricatures to come in the second half. Atleast Marie grew on me though. Couldnt particularly care about the austria--france relationship thing but I assume that build up will be important in the sequel, so whatever. and WTF was the alain shit? I feel like he got introduced way too late (and way too suddenly! unless if i misread some foreshadowing) into the story for me to actually care about him or his school, it didnt feel like anything substantial other than a plot progression point for marie's character development. I get that theres a sequel but even so, he got introduced half-way into the story. The count de lux or whatever the fuck his name was is a laughably cartoonish villain (burning down a school for no reason other than rich bad!). I hope he dies ASAP in the rouge sequel, cant stand seeing much more of him. Even despite the flaws (mainly just the inconsistency of the plot), this manga was still a pretty good read and the art was absolutely breath-taking, as per expected from Shinichi. I felt like he elevated the imagery to heights even better than that of the Climber. Truly hes honed his skill. |
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