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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Hmm I think the episode was okay, felt somewhat slow again until the second half. I like how Haku taking charge to talk to his friend behind bars. Hmm at the same time, I think he put himself in a bit of danger. What a risky and daring plan. Quite a close call tbh. |
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| Nice episode. Glad to see their plan worked and were able to save both the princess and Ukon/Oshutoru. |
| Varui is a really powerful, loyal and menacing dude and all but that guy is fucking idiot too And I love you and all Oshutoru, but your ideals and honour really pissed me off in this episode lol, but thank God you came around in the end Still, the death flags are real for a lot of people and now I'm scared shitless for what is going to happen leading up to the finale..... I wonder if Karura and Touka or anyone else on their side will become more involved (I kinda want Haku and co to find refuge in Tuskuru land of the GOAT and free) Haku and Kuon were very cool in this one though :) Hopefully the plan won't end badly like I think it will |
| A lot of anime original material in this episode, but so far nothing goes against the game and where the game ending ends. If anything this helps covering certain things anime skipped in terms of character motivations and helps showcasing Haku's progress as a leader and a dependable and wise person. Indeed Haku's behavior here is a strong contrast to him in the first episode. We see him take charge and direct people, we see him plan and we see him have very wise insights into the political system and Oshutoru's importance. Oshutoru is the only general who in Haku's mind is fit to lead people and build a country FOR the people. At the same time we see more of struggle between the pillar generals and the unease that comes from every single one of them plotting their own plots. The fact that the culprit of poisoning is most likely among them also does not help. |
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| Honestly how could anyone have respect for these generals? Disgusting. First of all WHY leave DEKOPONPO in charge of Oshutoru's death? It's pretty clear that none of them actually think he's guilty and are just using him as a scapegoat and yet they wanna shit on their fellow comrade more by letting the likes of DEKOPONPO execute him? Like no, disrespect to the fullest. Ned Stark had the direwolf, Lady killed by his own hands. That is how you honourably kill someone who is innocent! These damn generals have no honour. Fuck y'all. Second... even Oshutoru is shit. You mean to tell me you really felt leaving the country to VURAI would be the best thing for the PEOPLE? FOR THE PEOPLE? He is literally the WORST option (okay maybe Dekoponpo would be worst but he's a close second). DFKM. And wth Vurai? I know you're mostly all brawn and no brain but you think it's really acceptable to use a loyal comrade as a scapegoat and leave the real culprit at large? By doing so you are literally allowing the real criminal to get away with this scheme (unless, of course it's actually you who did it, but I doubt it. Honestly I'd say Raikou is the real culprit but it just seems too obvious. Being that he appear too villainish, seems to have the most power and he's pretty smart-- so maybe it's the BL author but it probably really is Raikou. These series aren't big on actually surprising people) The whole time Haku and Nekone were trying to convince Oshutoru to leave I was just thinking why they were wasting time. Should of knocked him the fuck out and take him. But then again Haku anit that strong and it probably wouldn't be wise. So, I'll give you points for convincing him by guilting him. And these supposedly really loyal generals that viewed their emperor as a god (and by extention should view the princess similarly) sure had some light ass guards. They be asking for her to get killed/kidnapped. As a side note, are their animals ears just for show? Kuon really didn't hear that soldier coming up behind her before he attacked and showed himself? Bitch should have got stabbed in the back. EDIT: Dekoponpo's name spelling, although really? Who gives af about him. |
InugirlzMar 5, 2016 10:30 AM
| Good thing that Oshutoru changes his mind. Now he's out of the cell! 4/5 |
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Inugirlz said: Honestly how could anyone have respect for these generals? Disgusting. First of all WHY leave DEKOPOPO in charge of Oshutoru's death? It's pretty clear that none of them actually think he's guilty and are just using him as a scapegoat and yet they wanna shit on their fellow comrade more by letting the likes of DEKOPOPO execute him? Like no, disrespect to the fullest. Ned Stark had the direwolf, Lady killed by his own hands. That is how you honourably kill someone who is innocent! These damn generals have no honour. Fuck y'all. Thats kind of the point. THe Emperor was the element binding them all together. As shown with Dekoponpo case in first half and etc, pretty much only Oshutoru and Mikazuchi bothered to care for people and mingle with them and Munechika was the one who cared for her soldiers. Everyone else were just people in power who just happened to follow the Emperor. As Vurai says without Emperor, they all went back to their own goals. Second... even Oshutoru is shit. You mean to tell me you really felt leaving the country to VURAI would be the best thing for the PEOPLE? FOR THE PEOPLE? He is literally the WORST option (okay maybe Dekopopo would be worst but he's a close second). DFKM. Vurai might be an asshole, but at least he is straightforward asshole who is interested in continuing Emperor's Yamato. Out of them all that are available, every single other one would tear the country apart with intrigue and wars against others. Vurai has no interest in intrigue. He only is interested in following Emperor's will. So even if he is a ruthless asshole, he is still a better option in Oshutoru's eyes than the rest. And wth Vurai? I know you're mostly all brawn and no brain but you think it's really acceptable to use a loyal comrade as a scapegoat and leave the real culprit at large? By doing so you are literally allowing the real criminal to get away with this scheme (unless, of course it's actually you who did it, but I doubt it. Honestly I'd say Raikou is the real culprit but it just seems too obvious. Being that he appear too villainish, seems to have the most power and he's pretty smart-- so maybe it's the BL author but it probably really is Raikou. These series aren't big on actually surprising people) Vurai is only interested in keeping emperor's country from falling apart. If doing that meant he had to jump into a pit of lava - he would do that. Any means necessary. And these supposedly really loyal generals that viewed their emperor as a god (and by extention should view the princess similarly) sure had some light ass guards. They be asking for her to get killed/kidnapped. having light security around the princess only reinforces the point that whoever tried to kill her might have allowed that to make it easier to try again. As a side note, are their animals ears just for show? Kuon really didn't hear that soldier coming up behind her before he attacked and showed himself? Bitch should have got stabbed in the back. In most of cases animal traits just mean you are stronger and have more stamina. The only known exceptions are onkamiyamukai, evankruuga clan and Karura's race. |
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| well that was over so fast it felt like watching half an episode |
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| Nice seeing Karura and Touka again. I can see why Oshutoru would choose Vurai to lead the people but as Haku mentioned....myea he wouldn't be too suitable. How is Dekoponpo still alive at this point? God he's so annoying. Glad they got Oshutoru out of the cell, wonder if they'll make it to Kiuru's place though. Can't wait for the next episode! |
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| Haha "weren't you going to share my fate?" "Of course not" lol. Happy that Ukon escaped with them. As to what's happening next, I'm really curious as to if they'll actually be able to escape smoothly. |
| Well, at least Haku finally showed some resemblance of character development. It's a shame that nothing in this episode can be taken seriously because of any character listening to Dekonpopo in any way and doing anything that he tells them to. I mean, I know they're all idiots without their Emperor to guide them (which is pretty fucking dumb in itself, but whatever), but I refuse to believe they're THAT stupid. Even for this show, that's really stretching things. |
| Why the rest of episodes couldn't be like this? When the anime finally gets interesting, it's basically at finish. Did these events also happened at the end of VN? |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
jakkubus said: Why the rest of episodes couldn't be like this? When the anime finally gets interesting, it's basically at finish. Did these events also happened at the end of VN? Yes, because Itsuwari is a middle game in trilogy. Its technically "Utawarerumono2: Part 1" |
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| So are Haku and Oshutoru just never gonna switch places? or will they save that for like a final gambit at the end? I thought for sure Haku would impersonate him and act as minister while Ukon does his mercenary thing. Is it just me? Their character designs are really alike. The show is even called the False Faces. Hmmm |
FragOutFireMar 5, 2016 1:16 PM
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| No matter how loyal Vurai is, I don't see anything good coming out from his leadership. I can imagine more bloodshed. Glad that Oshutoru changed his mind at the last second. Good episode. |
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Fai said: Vurai might be an asshole, but at least he is straightforward asshole who is interested in continuing Emperor's Yamato. Out of them all that are available, every single other one would tear the country apart with intrigue and wars against others. Vurai has no interest in intrigue. He only is interested in following Emperor's will. So even if he is a ruthless asshole, he is still a better option in Oshutoru's eyes than the rest. lol yes he's a very straightforward asshole, but that doesn't make him any better in my eyes. He cares about the empire as a ideal concept or object and that's not the important part about a nation. And since Oshutoru cares so much about the people he should know that Vurai is still not a good option. My point being he shouldn't have given up by deciding he wasn't needed. It's exactly as Haku said, the one the country needs the most is him. (Even Mikazuchi is a better option). Vurai is only interested in keeping emperor's country from falling apart. If doing that meant he had to jump into a pit of lava - he would do that. Any means necessary. And this pretty much reinforces the idea that he's too much brawn and no brain. If you want to keep the country from falling apart you need to NOT ignore the real culprit or sacrifice someone who will help you keep the country together. I mean some of the shallow castle guards decided to believe Oshutoru was guilty but many of the people aren't going to believe so easily. Internal conflict is actually on the rise because of scapegoating Oshutoru. having light security around the princess only reinforces the point that whoever tried to kill her might have allowed that to make it easier to try again. True but assuming it's just one general behind all this, the others are so uncaring that they turn a blind eye? Who's in charge of her security anyways? I'd assume it was supposed to be Munechika but she's MIA. |
| Big shock, Oshutoru was saved and Vurai's an evil ass. 3 left... |
| i hate that fat pig |
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| I think it would be interesting if Haku came out and just said he is the emperor's brother.. Though this would lead to alot of questions. I'm sure its never going to be said... |
| Maybe I'm being too judgmental here, but too much bicker for my taste. The tension buildup from the last episode was a tad misleading and barely anything got done that couldn't have gotten done in 15 minutes. One again another week ful of series with too much yapping/infodumping. |
| Alright episode, the escape worked out. |
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| I really was impressed how he had convinced osturo |
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| Ah, the anime has one good episode after another. Only there seem to be only few episodes left. Is there really enough time to turn this whole situation around. But really Haku is so reliable out of late that it truly show his character progression. Well he was always 'once he puts his my mind into it he can do it' type of guy. I hope to Oshtoru more like he was at the beginning of the series, meaning his Ukon form. His Oshtoru form is quite straight foward. "Everything for the country. Bla bla bla.". Sure noble but I prefer much more relaxed characters. In S01 Hakurou was too serious about everything with the whole country on his shoulders and we all know how he ended up. In S02 however Haku is taking it easy, is trying to stay out of it as much as possible, and I feel like there won't be any 'HERO SACRIFICE', here. This episode even reminded us of that. "I am to stay and share the death, hell no!!" . I will be surprised if we don't get happy ending with 'group of friends' living on from then on. The best ending naturally is Haku X Kuon actually getting together and having another little Haku-something. *** Last thing though, I thought this will develop differently and Vurai would be turned into stereotypical VILLAN, but I am pleasantly surprised that this isn't the case. Sure he isn't saint, but it's true that he has the ability to become an emperor, and he indeed is what the country needs right now, otherwise 8 generals will turn it into an inner war. For simple people, the leader's influence isn't as big as having an inner war. |
| Interesting Anime, despite I was about to drop it some episodes ago. These last episodes were truly entertaining. I think it was worth. But the end will tell more. |
| I don't think Vurai is that loyal to the emperor. I think he just have his ideals and the emperor granted him power for that. He probably doesn't even care the emperor is dead. I see him as the last big villain, although i haven't played the game so i don't know if that's true. (and the 3rd game is not even out yet) |
I despise woke people. |
| Damn,intense episode,glad Oshutoru came around finally.Seems like a lot of people are plotting something.Sadly some death flags. |
im_Br0k3n said: Damn,intense episode,glad Oshutoru came around finally.Seems like a lot of people are plotting something.Sadly some death flags. Where is the death flag, I don't feel it |
desertkona said: im_Br0k3n said: Damn,intense episode,glad Oshutoru came around finally.Seems like a lot of people are plotting something.Sadly some death flags. Where is the death flag, I don't feel it The one that jumps out the most is at the end of the episode when Yakutowaruto tells Haku to leave it to him and then it cuts to his daughter and she says daddy.But that's just my opinion. |
| OMG Yakutowaruto DON"T DIE T______T |
| Another really interesting and exciting episode in the narrative level, even the plot is disappointing moving toward an uncertain future, since I have not the faintest idea what can happen from here on out. Drawings somewhat declined in quality, I hope they sell well BD of this anime series. I want to immediately see the next episode! |
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| Hmm, even when I doubt this rescue would go so easily and ignoring Oshutoru's superfluous stubborness it wasn't bad episode. Still, can't shake off the feeling that this is something that should have been happening somewhere around episode 9-10. |
| I thought Oshutoru will end up dead, but finally he's been saved. |
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Mich666 said: Still, can't shake off the feeling that this is something that should have been happening somewhere around episode 9-10. Itsuwari no Kamen is the build up of Haku's character and his progress towards the man he can be. Its the middle part of three part story. IF this was happening in Tuskuru then sure, but for these events to be effective , Yamato had to be built up as a country and Haku's investment into the life he built up there had to be strengthened. If UTWR1 is the story of a birth of a country and the man rewarded with great luck to tie it all together, UTWR2 is a story of a country falling to pieces and the man slowly being drowned by karma and unluck |
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| is this episode a little bit slow ? imo this episode is a little bit slow. but overall i pretty enjoy it :D funny and thrilling to me. When two catchphares, when they combine two catchpharse like that, my god so freaking annoying, not like i hate it tho XD especially that guy "Janay~" XD but sometimes it's getting annoying if he said it everytime XD Oshitoru finnaly escaped but because of his act, too slow to act, they delay the escape, and next epsiode will be the escape (?) well, looking foward to it. |
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| Vurai is loyal to the ideals of the empire/emperor, not to the actual nation. If keeping the country from falling apart would mean blasting every damn house into oblivion he would do that, too. The empire would technically still exist, there would just be nothing in it except burned earth. He doesn't care about a country as a thing, and certainly not about it's people, it's just that as long as a certain piece of land is called "empire", everything is good, and if not, it's bad. Oshutoru on the other hand cares so much about the people that he forgets that they are indeed people, who don't want to get get killed just because they only praised the emperor nineteen times on one day instead of twenty. Basically, Oshuturo is the same as Vurai, absolutely loyal to the idea of the empire, he just takes the opposite path. Where Vurai is all about taking action, Oshutoru is all about not taking action. Vurai will blast you for mumbling "empire" instead of shouting it out loud, Oshutoru would suffer someone shouting him "empire" in the ear 24/7 if thats what it takes. Heck, it looks like he prefers someone like Vurai killing people for mumbling "empire" over the empire crumbling. The best for the empire out of the eight pillar generals would probably be Munechika. Too bad they already got rid of her by sending her to Tuskuru. Next best would probably be Dekonpopo, so no pillar general can claim superiority (as the others all know that Dekonpopo is stupid and will simply ignore him), and actually leaving the bueracracy in charge. With so many conflicting interests, they will either balance each other out, or the empire will crumble so much sooner, giving way to actually resolving the situation. |
NwAurion said: Next best would probably be Dekonpopo, so no pillar general can claim superiority (as the others all know that Dekonpopo is stupid and will simply ignore him), and actually leaving the bueracracy in charge. With so many conflicting interests, they will either balance each other out, or the empire will crumble so much sooner, giving way to actually resolving the situation. The thing is - Dekonpopo as shown already is basically a crime lord, running illegal betting rings, etc. Also chances are he would get poisoned and killed within minutes of his reign or it would follow the first season in that people would rise against him. And yeah Oshutoru's interest is in keeping the empire intact. If he perishes the only one who would do that, no matter the cost, is Vurai. Otherwise, as Haku stated, Oshutoru is the only hope the nation has at surviving - he has respect of the people and he has morals to guide the nation correctly. |
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| "There will be a power vaccuum no matter what we do, so I have to die" "I'll leave the country in the hands of the general who killed the most innocent citizens, that will totally not backfire" Oshutoru really fits well into this show with the other cast of total geniuses. |
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