Yvese said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I think you're getting too ahead of yourself here over just one show/studio. I think the main reason I like this result is that apparently this got almost no Japanese support and thus it potentially shows straight up that Western fans can have a major impact on the anime industry and hopefully ever so slightly loosens the core otaku stranglehold on the minds and attention of the industries producers. If more instances like this could happen the possibilities would be huge. The industry would no longer have to fear the otaku backlash in boycotts and just general lack of interest for every sort of idea that doesn't strike their fancy and the door opens to so many new ideas getting green-lit that never would have otherwise. Little Witch Academia was a fun little short and I'm glad there'll be more, but I hope the repercussions and shock waves within the industry will be greater yet. That's my main interest here. And this isn't to totally knock the Japanese fans, but when you see a little upstart studio like Trigger all but establish itself as the darling of the Western Fandom in a little under a year it says a lot to me about the differences in opinion on the direction anime should be heading between the two cultures. I don't think anime needs saving, just an environment where good interesting ideas can prosper like in the 80's and 90's. It hasn't had that in a while, but it keeps inching ever closer back to the environment that created what many call the Golden Age of Anime. All this kickstarter does is help FUND extra runtime to the sequel. It doesn't make it profitable since they're already giving the discs for those that pledge a certain amount. The industry wont start catering to western audiences just because all of a sudden *small* studios can get their projects funded by them. 99.9% of the money is still in Japan where they can actually make money off mangas/discs, as opposed to the west where most people pirate ( torrents, scanlation sites, etc ). Best case scenario, kickstarter for the anime industry follows the game industry - surge of indies. We've seen how indies through kickstarter has impacted the game industry - it's made very little impact in the grand scheme of things. It has resulted in some cool indie games being developed ( Star Citizen is one I'm looking forward to ), but big name publishers have largely ignored it since it is a niche market. The same thing will happen in the anime industry if kick starter gains traction. It's something that allows risk for both new and old creators without it being an all in situation though. Even if it still won't be hugely popular and profitable at least it allows things to get made that further the craft of animation for up and coming animators and the way the creators want it to be made and without the fear of backlash or total destitution for being unorthodox in approach. I personally think that anime has become to focused on catering to a select group of consumers that number in the tens of thousands and I want to see that change via expansion of concept and for more than just a handful of established studios (Sunrise, Toei, I.G etc) to be able to take those risks. I also don't like how it seems that animators of today are starting to lose the techniques that we once took for granted like being able to animate mechanical objects like cars and robots without having to resort to CGI and if something like Little Witch Academia and the Young Animators Training Program can help towards bringing up young sakuga animators I'm all for it. I'm not one of those people that demand that every show be wholly original because that is an entirely unrealistic and utterly absurd proposal, but I would like to see a furthering of what I consider to be positive trends in the future and for anime to not fall back into a creative rut like I felt it got into towards the end of the 00's. |
| I kind of agree with what Yvese said. The kickstarter phenomenon has led more to rise of indies than diversification of existing big players. But still it is not a bad thing. To anime industry, the taste of western fans is most likely a niche thing and often the best firms to deal with niche markets are the indies. And I would object to any view that there is any creative rut in the 00s. If anything I think it is filled with creative ideas and new trends -- but it is detested by some people because they don't like the ideas and trends that the industry adopted. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Even a potato would get funded there. |
symbv said: We the western fans were it, which begged them to do a sequel and showed the most interest in LWA. I dare say without us they wouldn't even have considered to do a second OVA at all.Kaioshin_Sama said: Depends on what Japanese support you are talking about. Japanese fan support for the extension - right, there seems to be little from Japan. The core part of the sequel? The fund must have come from Japan as the decision was already made to make a 20min sequel. So the impact from the western fans is for the 15min extension. Now I am not saying that western fans are not making impact. They do in this case and I think it is great, but I would qualify any statement that "Little Witch Academia 2" got no Japanese support or the sequel is only possible because of western fans. I know you are not saying that, but I cannot help feeling some may take thing into that direction. I think the main reason I like this result is that apparently this got almost no Japanese support and thus it potentially shows straight up that Western fans can have a major impact on the anime industry and hopefully ever so slightly loosens the core otaku stranglehold on the minds and attention of the industries producers. |
PerplexJul 9, 2013 2:46 PM
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LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Araby said: Hahahahaha this is perfect. |
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| Trigger created a poll : https://www.facebook.com/st.trigger?ref=hl "Would you like to see Little Witch Academia dubbed in other language or not?" |
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Perplex said: Now you are jumping to conclusion here. I wonder what makes you so confident to "dare say" that without YOU there would not be a second LWA. It is not as if the video did not get recognized or have bad feedback, quite the contrary in fact. I am happy that LWA got a sequel but I hope people like you do not let it go to your head that it is only because of you that LWA got a sequel and there is little or no credit for people in Japan. At the end where else do they get the fund for the 20min sequel in the first place? If people love to jump to conclusion, perhaps very soon we will see people claiming KyoAni did Free only because of western fans begged them to do it etc !We the western fans were it, wich begged them to do a sequel and showed the most interest in LWA. I dare say without us they wouldn't even have considered to do a second OVA at all. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Thing is though, just because Little Witch Academia was successful on kickstarter, it doesn't mean we'll suddenly start seeing more anime being pitched there.It's something that allows risk for both new and old creators without it being an all in situation though. Even if it still won't be hugely popular and profitable at least it allows things to get made that further the craft of animation for up and coming animators and the way the creators want it to be made and without the fear of backlash or total destitution for being unorthodox in approach. I personally think that anime has become to focused on catering to a select group of consumers that number in the tens of thousands and I want to see that change via expansion of concept and for more than just a handful of established studios (Sunrise, Toei, I.G etc) to be able to take those risks. I also don't like how it seems that animators of today are starting to lose the techniques that we once took for granted like being able to animate mechanical objects like cars and robots without having to resort to CGI and if something like Little Witch Academia and the Young Animators Training Program can help towards bringing up young sakuga animators I'm all for it. I'm not one of those people that demand that every show be wholly original because that is an entirely unrealistic and utterly absurd proposal, but I would like to see a furthering of what I consider to be positive trends in the future and for anime to not fall back into a creative rut like I felt it got into towards the end of the 00's. One of the issues with kickstarter for anime is it largely depends on getting enough interest on an already released project. A studio actually has to make an ep in order to pitch a sequel to viewers which, ultimately, brings us back to the issue of relying on someone to fund it. The only difference is kickstarter funders don't expect an ROI in the form of profits, but rather in the form of quality entertainment. The reason you'd need an already released project is due to the fact that you'd find it very difficult to pitch a new anime project on kickstarter with just storyboards/concept arts/plot summary, which is why most anime you'd see on Kickstarter would have to rely on anime made from things like the Young Animator Training Project. I don't think you'll find many small studios/startups willing to fund an ep out of their own pocket just to pitch it on kickstarter. Indie game devs can get away with it since they can profit from it in the end once it's released on STEAM/XBL/PSN. That and they can easily make prototypes of the game to pitch to kickstarter which is far easier than making an alluring preview for an anime pitch. So really, nothing much will change from this since we will still see new and interesting projects from those young animator programs. The only difference is they can now use kickstarter if there's enough interest for a sequel. The end result is kickstarter can help fill a small niche in the industry. If indie games on kickstarter can't change the industry, neither can anime. Especially considering the anime industry is far less forgiving. |
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Yvese said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Thing is though, just because Little Witch Academia was successful on kickstarter, it doesn't mean we'll suddenly start seeing more anime being pitched there.It's something that allows risk for both new and old creators without it being an all in situation though. Even if it still won't be hugely popular and profitable at least it allows things to get made that further the craft of animation for up and coming animators and the way the creators want it to be made and without the fear of backlash or total destitution for being unorthodox in approach. I personally think that anime has become to focused on catering to a select group of consumers that number in the tens of thousands and I want to see that change via expansion of concept and for more than just a handful of established studios (Sunrise, Toei, I.G etc) to be able to take those risks. I also don't like how it seems that animators of today are starting to lose the techniques that we once took for granted like being able to animate mechanical objects like cars and robots without having to resort to CGI and if something like Little Witch Academia and the Young Animators Training Program can help towards bringing up young sakuga animators I'm all for it. I'm not one of those people that demand that every show be wholly original because that is an entirely unrealistic and utterly absurd proposal, but I would like to see a furthering of what I consider to be positive trends in the future and for anime to not fall back into a creative rut like I felt it got into towards the end of the 00's. I want to believe  |
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| Wow this is quite something, even tho I still have to check Little Witch Academia out, but judging from all the hype it's getting on the net (here, fb, youtube, kickstarter etc) it must be something really nice. They almost got 250k in a day, people are really standing up strong for this. |
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| Wow, that certainly was quick. I wonder how much farther it will go by the end of the fundraiser. Maybe so much that Trigger will consider giving it a full series? |
Xionea said: Wow, that certainly was quick. I wonder how much farther it will go by the end of the fundraiser. Maybe so much that Trigger will consider giving it a full series? I'd much rather have a movie instead of a TV series. Quality over length. Nobody wants to see a creative project like this held back in order to be palatable to the otaku masses. |
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Ghostbooster said: why do people have to categorize themselves as either Japanese/western anime fan ? Yes, I am not sure about over-generalization of this. Also, does "Western" fans include only Europe, Austrialia and NA, or does it include South America, East Asia, SE Asia, etc.? I am not sure I am comfortable with this labeling. And no, it is a stereotype that all Japanese otaku only likes moe, idol and ecchi series. That is not the case. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| THIS IS THE BEST NEWS IVE HEARD IN A WHILE |
| come on everyone on mal kick in $20+ lets go a series of movies xD |
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| Kickstarter FTW!!! Sequel when?? |
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Vosmare said: Trigger created a poll : https://www.facebook.com/st.trigger?ref=hl "Would you like to see Little Witch Academia dubbed in other language or not?" "Just take 50$ and make more Inferno Cop" Holy shit I died. Some of the other options are hilarious too. |
PWJP said: "Just take 50$ and make more Inferno Cop" Holy shit I died. Some of the other options are hilarious too. ''Yes, but only if Morgan Freeman does all of the voice acting and singing.'' I want this. |
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some one give me some money so i can up my donation to $300 |
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> Estimated delivery: Apr 2015 Well damn... I'm sad now. |
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MrAwesome2011 said: PWJP said: "Just take 50$ and make more Inferno Cop" Holy shit I died. Some of the other options are hilarious too. ''Yes, but only if Morgan Freeman does all of the voice acting and singing.'' I want this. I voted for the Inferno Cop option. I'd be happy with either Morgan Freeman or Liam Neeson voicing every character in a dub though. imperlast said: some one give me some money so i can up my donation to $300 It's going to be really, really cool to see my name in the credits for an anime. |
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| Just pledged $50 for the bluray and art book, I love my art books. If this happens to become feature-length, than this is a very good deal. |
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| Heh! I'm happy I supported this! Didn't expect it to already reach its goal, though... :0 Although, by the time it comes out, I'll probably barely even remember anything about the donation and will forget to check the credits... :( |
PantsManJul 9, 2013 11:17 PM
| If someone pledges $300, please tell them to put Inferno Cop as your name. |
| they are gonna break into most funded projects for sure |
| I signed my screen and now its all smeary "When you meet your God tell him to leave me alone." check out my bloghttp://corpse69.wordpress.com/ fix MAL already |
| how about an actual series... |
Kazeshini said: how about an actual series... They've already doubled their goal 2 days in. Depending on how this keeps up i wouldn't be surprised. |
Kidkidd said: don't think so, more work needs to be doneKazeshini said: how about an actual series... They've already doubled their goal 2 days in. Depending on how this keeps up i wouldn't be surprised. |
| Payed 20$. Not much but still. |
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Corpse69 said: 14 k till they are the 4th most funded aniamtion projectthey are gonna break into most funded projects for sure |
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| Pledged 300$, can't wait to see my name in them credits! |
Walp said: 30 minutes show 2 hours of credits of names of people who donatedPledged 300$, can't wait to see my name in them credits! |
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| Is the contributor credit roll going to only appear in the western release, or will it also show up in the Japanese domestic version? I have this absurd image in my head of the audience over there being puzzled over the long list of gaijin names, wondering "Who the hell are these guys?". |
| I wonder if the stretch goals will be modest or ambitious. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| they never stop to amaze me when it comes to finding new ways to make money |
| I was already surprised so many people was prising the title so much but this news is more than dumbfounding. |
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| I'm a $300 backer! Feel so excited, can't wait for 2015 (And I get credited too, yay!) |
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| I didn't even know this Kickstarter existed. I'm ashamed to admit that. Donated immediately. I mean "backed". Finally something other than a video game worth Kickstarting. |
| So when is this getting added to MAL? |
| Over 300k now :) I wonder what they'd do if it went over 1m$? |
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