Japan's Weekly Manga Rankings for Jun 29 - Jul 5

well at least ore monogatari and snow white with the red hair are doing ok...

Aug 5, 2015 8:09 AM by alpha_shadow

Agafin said:

bigivelfhq said:

You probably want to say Battle/Action Shonen and not just Shonen!

Also note that Yu Yu Hakusho serialized for 3.5 years.

Hmm, What about(Note that One Piece Started in 1997):

1- Jinnai Ryūjujutsu Butōden Majima-kun Suttobasu!!: 1995 - begin of 1998(3 years of serialization)
2- Wild Half: 1996 - 1998(3 years of serialization)
3- Samurai X(Rurouni Kenshin): 1994 - 1999(6 years of serialization)
4- Hareluya Boy 2: end of 1992 - begin of 1999(6 years of serialization)
5- Hell Teacher Nube: 1993 - 1999(7 years of serialization)
6- Soul Hunter(Hoshin Engi): 1996-2000(5 years of serialization)
7- Bastard!!: 1997-2000(it was moved to Ultra Jump due to content. 4 years in jump)
8- Yu-Gi-Oh: end of 1996- begin of 2004(7 years of serialization)
9- Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: end of 1996 - 2004(Moved to Ultra Jump due to content. 8 years in Jump)

You have 9 long running shonen being serialized when One Piece started. How is that "weren't really any long running shounen being serialised in Jump"?

One Piece is the one that has the most similarities with Dragonball.

Not it isn't, but that doesn't even matter at all.
The fact that Weekly Shonen Jump had a lot of popular battle manga and other genres during the interval between Dragon Ball end and One Piece begin, shows that there is no gap at all. This is just a justification in your mind really.

Also you totally forget about the ranking system of Weekly Shonen Jump? Do you really think that it being similar to Dragon Ball is enough for it to survive?

In the end if we go by the "because it was similar to Dragon Ball" path, we have that Naruto also only got popular because is similar to Ninku and after Ninku ending there was a gap in Ninja stories in the magazine(In fact Kishimoto was a big fan and that was one of the reason he decided in the end to make Naruto about Ninjas).
In the end it becomes not because readers liked the series, not because the series was good and enjoyable to read, but because of a previous famous series.

Also if we talk about a manga similar to One Piece and that ended close to its beginning, that would be totally Dragon Quest, not Dragon Ball.
Dragon Quest volumes ended being released in June of 1997. One Piece started 1 month later!

Aug 5, 2015 7:50 AM by bigivelfhq

bigivelfhq said:

JD2411 said:
I've always though One Piece became successful because it started when there was a huge gap in the market for those types of series. Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakusho had just finished and there weren't really any long running shounen being serialised in Jump IIRC.

You probably want to say Battle/Action Shonen and not just Shonen!

Also note that Yu Yu Hakusho serialized for 3.5 years.

Hmm, What about(Note that One Piece Started in 1997):

1- Jinnai Ryūjujutsu Butōden Majima-kun Suttobasu!!: 1995 - begin of 1998(3 years of serialization)
2- Wild Half: 1996 - 1998(3 years of serialization)
3- Samurai X(Rurouni Kenshin): 1994 - 1999(6 years of serialization)
4- Hareluya Boy 2: end of 1992 - begin of 1999(6 years of serialization)
5- Hell Teacher Nube: 1993 - 1999(7 years of serialization)
6- Soul Hunter(Hoshin Engi): 1996-2000(5 years of serialization)
7- Bastard!!: 1997-2000(it was moved to Ultra Jump due to content. 4 years in jump)
8- Yu-Gi-Oh: end of 1996- begin of 2004(7 years of serialization)
9- Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: end of 1996 - 2004(Moved to Ultra Jump due to content. 8 years in Jump)

You have 9 long running shonen being serialized when One Piece started. How is that "weren't really any long running shounen being serialised in Jump"?

One Piece is the one that has the most similarities with Dragonball.

Jul 14, 2015 11:42 PM by Agafin

bigivelfhq said:

JD2411 said:
I've always though One Piece became successful because it started when there was a huge gap in the market for those types of series. Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakusho had just finished and there weren't really any long running shounen being serialised in Jump IIRC.

You probably want to say Battle/Action Shonen and not just Shonen!

Also note that Yu Yu Hakusho serialized for 3.5 years.

Hmm, What about(Note that One Piece Started in 1997):

1- Jinnai Ryūjujutsu Butōden Majima-kun Suttobasu!!: 1995 - begin of 1998(3 years of serialization)
2- Wild Half: 1996 - 1998(3 years of serialization)
3- Samurai X(Rurouni Kenshin): 1994 - 1999(6 years of serialization)
4- Hareluya Boy 2: end of 1992 - begin of 1999(6 years of serialization)
5- Hell Teacher Nube: 1993 - 1999(7 years of serialization)
6- Soul Hunter(Hoshin Engi): 1996-2000(5 years of serialization)
7- Bastard!!: 1997-2000(it was moved to Ultra Jump due to content. 4 years in jump)
8- Yu-Gi-Oh: end of 1996- begin of 2004(7 years of serialization)
9- Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: end of 1996 - 2004(Moved to Ultra Jump due to content. 8 years in Jump)

You have 9 long running shonen being serialized when One Piece started. How is that "weren't really any long running shounen being serialised in Jump"?

Also you have to count the new Battle Shonen popular titles that were appearing around One Piece time:
- Seikimatsu Leader-den Takeshi!, exactly 1 issue before One Piece. From 1997 to 2002(by the author of Toriko, super popular only ended because author was accused of soliciting sex to a minor).
- Hunter x Hunter, 30 issues after One Piece and from an already famous author
- Shaman King, From 1998 to 2004(6 years of serialization)

Its just a baseless reason to give OP popularity. There are OP haters who gives stupid reasons for OP's success. And its funny that OP became #1 in sales from around 2006. That is 9 years after its creation. And also OP's best sales figures were around 2009-2011. Fact is OP became so successful because its good and people like it not because it was the only battle manga. There was HxH, Naruto, Bleach and then later on FT and Toriko came but none of them were able to beat OP because it was the best.

Jul 14, 2015 8:01 PM by Dragon88

JD2411 said:
I've always though One Piece became successful because it started when there was a huge gap in the market for those types of series. Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakusho had just finished and there weren't really any long running shounen being serialised in Jump IIRC.

You probably want to say Battle/Action Shonen and not just Shonen!

Also note that Yu Yu Hakusho serialized for 3.5 years.

Hmm, What about(Note that One Piece Started in 1997):

1- Jinnai Ryūjujutsu Butōden Majima-kun Suttobasu!!: 1995 - begin of 1998(3 years of serialization)
2- Wild Half: 1996 - 1998(3 years of serialization)
3- Samurai X(Rurouni Kenshin): 1994 - 1999(6 years of serialization)
4- Hareluya Boy 2: end of 1992 - begin of 1999(6 years of serialization)
5- Hell Teacher Nube: 1993 - 1999(7 years of serialization)
6- Soul Hunter(Hoshin Engi): 1996-2000(5 years of serialization)
7- Bastard!!: 1997-2000(it was moved to Ultra Jump due to content. 4 years in jump)
8- Yu-Gi-Oh: end of 1996- begin of 2004(7 years of serialization)
9- Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: end of 1996 - 2004(Moved to Ultra Jump due to content. 8 years in Jump)

You have 9 long running shonen being serialized when One Piece started. How is that "weren't really any long running shounen being serialised in Jump"?

Also you have to count the new Battle Shonen popular titles that were appearing around One Piece time:
- Seikimatsu Leader-den Takeshi!, exactly 1 issue before One Piece. From 1997 to 2002(by the author of Toriko, super popular only ended because author was accused of soliciting sex to a minor).
- Hunter x Hunter, 30 issues after One Piece and from an already famous author
- Shaman King, From 1998 to 2004(6 years of serialization)

Jul 14, 2015 5:10 PM by bigivelfhq

keragamming said:

Dragon88 said:

Bleach sales went down simply because the quality went down. There is nothing else. After Aizen arc Bleach sucked and everyone stopped reading. Though recently Bleach is doing good with the last arc but its still far from Soul Society or Hueco Mundo arc and Bleach already lost lot of readers so its hard for them to get those readers back after botching up the manga.

One Piece on the other hand is constantly great where each arc is superb though some are not as exciting as others but all of them are pretty good and overall OP story is far more better then Bleach. There is no contest. And OP has a more mass appeal too like HP did. Its a manga that a 12 year old can read as well as 30 year old can read. Bleach also kind of has mass appeal but the main thing was the quality went down and as a result sales went down. There is nothing else, same thing happened with FT.

I think Oda would have to do something really bad for his fans to drop one piece. You have to remember that the majority of fans that have bought the latest volume most likely have bought all available volume of one piece. That means oda would have to do something really bad to make fans drop the series midway after buying so many volumes. So one piece having these consistent sales doesn't mean the quality is consistently good.

You drop snk because you didn't' like the direction it made in the last arc, so in your eyes snk has gone downhill just like what you said with bleach and fairy tale. Except snk still sell consistently well just like one piece. So how can you explain that phenomenon?

tsudecimo may not like one piece, but what he said makes sense. One piece having consistent sales doesn't means its consistently good. As I said earlier Oda would probably have to kill off the entire straw hat crew for his fans to stop buying his volumes.

We all have biases to what we like, so my argument isn't against you saying that all of onepiece arcs are consistently good. That's subjective. My argument tsudecimo and Agafin argument is that you shouldn't use the sales as way to measure quality.

Showing someone sales number of a series they don't like won't change their opinion on the series overall.

Well what you said is true, but quality still plays a role. One thing with OP is that it doesn't have to have constantly the best arc or one of the best but still it does not botch things up. OP was at its best during WB summit war but then after that it was not too bad. I really can't think of a bad arc of OP. Some arcs are not awesome or superb but not a awful arc. With Bleach and FT even though it went downhill, I still continued because of the long reach effect. One thing is that new mangas don't have the luxury of the old mangas where they can afford to drop in quality in little bit without losing lot of sales but new mangas cannot do that. And with SNK I never was a big fan of it. I tried just the first 30 chapters or so and it was okay and when they were going into more politics I got bored and dropped it and the same happened with NNT. But just because I don't like SNK that does not mean its not a good manga. It has lot of appeal and there is still excitement there but you would notice that its not as big as it used to be. It flattened out but has consistent readers who like the story and are hooked into it and SNK never made huge mistakes like FT or Bleach did. Look quality/arcs is never going to be the same, its impossible. Its going to go up and down. Some arcs will be better then others but the main thing is not to make the story stupid once it becomes popular which Bleach and FT did and generated negative image. SNK does not have a negative image. Its like Naruto after a while sales stayed constant even if certain arcs were not as good while others were better because Naruto never made the story that stupid though there was some faults toward the end but rest of the story was consistent.

Jul 14, 2015 7:13 AM by Dragon88

ichii_1 said:
I'd like to see how one piece does if the anime suddenly stops and it gets no advertisement for 3 years straight along with bias editors XD

Dragon88 said:
One Piece on the other hand is constantly great

It won't happen because it's One Piece,it was Bleach own fault for not being able to maintain the anime.Advertising costs money if it won't have a good return it won't be made,no one besides Kubo is on fault for the anime ending.

Jul 13, 2015 7:59 PM by riqueterremoto

I'd like to see how one piece does if the anime suddenly stops and it gets no advertisement for 3 years straight along with bias editors XD

Dragon88 said:
One Piece on the other hand is constantly great

Jul 13, 2015 7:15 PM by ichii_1

Dragon88 said:

NoBleachNoLife said:

Well, i wouldn't go that far. One Piece is as repetitive as Bleach. (or even more, because there is more arcs) I think OP is more successful, because its friendly towards bigger audience. For example i don't know any kids who like Bleach. I feel like they think that it is too serious and complicated, while with OP they're just having fun. I personally like Bleach, because it is repetitive and always the same. If it wasn't the same, i probably wouldn't like it that much.

And i don't think Bleach will receive a big boost, because there wasn't enough people born since the last season. Only hope is that people who fell out of it will be interested again.

Bleach sales went down simply because the quality went down. There is nothing else. After Aizen arc Bleach sucked and everyone stopped reading. Though recently Bleach is doing good with the last arc but its still far from Soul Society or Hueco Mundo arc and Bleach already lost lot of readers so its hard for them to get those readers back after botching up the manga.

One Piece on the other hand is constantly great where each arc is superb though some are not as exciting as others but all of them are pretty good and overall OP story is far more better then Bleach. There is no contest. And OP has a more mass appeal too like HP did. Its a manga that a 12 year old can read as well as 30 year old can read. Bleach also kind of has mass appeal but the main thing was the quality went down and as a result sales went down. There is nothing else, same thing happened with FT.

I think Oda would have to do something really bad for his fans to drop one piece. You have to remember that the majority of fans that have bought the latest volume most likely have bought all available volume of one piece. That means oda would have to do something really bad to make fans drop the series midway after buying so many volumes. So one piece having these consistent sales doesn't mean the quality is consistently good.

You drop snk because you didn't' like the direction it made in the last arc, so in your eyes snk has gone downhill just like what you said with bleach and fairy tale. Except snk still sell consistently well just like one piece. So how can you explain that phenomenon?

tsudecimo may not like one piece, but what he said makes sense. One piece having consistent sales doesn't means its consistently good. As I said earlier Oda would probably have to kill off the entire straw hat crew for his fans to stop buying his volumes.

We all have biases to what we like, so my argument isn't against you saying that all of onepiece arcs are consistently good. That's subjective. My argument tsudecimo and Agafin argument is that you shouldn't use the sales as way to measure quality.

Showing someone sales number of a series they don't like won't change their opinion on the series overall.

Jul 13, 2015 5:23 PM by keragamming

JD2411 said:
I've always though One Piece became successful because it started when there was a huge gap in the market for those types of series. Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakusho had just finished and there weren't really any long running shounen being serialised in Jump IIRC.

Do you really belive One Piece became a successful manga simply because it came after dragonball and yu yu hakuscho? Isn't that kinda silly?

There is more than luck required to get the highest selling manga (right now).

Jul 13, 2015 4:16 PM by Shinigami1992

Dragon88 said:
Well then what do you think happened genius? Fact is quality plays an important role in sales/popularity. Does that mean the manga with most sales has the highest quality no? But still a important part. There are two things that makes a manga successful one is quality and the other is mass appeal. One Piece has both just like DB, Naruto and Bleach had it in the beginning but then they botched it up. Just because you don't like a manga that does not mean it doesn't have quality. Sales are the most objective way to measure quality though that is not the only thing and it doesn't equate the most quality manga but its a good indicator. And my comment was why Bleach went down and it was because of the quality of the manga. The story went downhill after the invasion of Karakura town and Bleach never recovered from that, same thing happened with FT after Tenrou Island arc. Though FT is making a comeback but still too early to tell anything.

Assuming a lot of fans share that sentiment, then that might be one of the reason. The most logical reason though, is that the sales decreased due to the cancellation of the anime which means less exposure. But even that is only a partial reason since, well, the anime was cancelled (rather than filler-ed) for a reason; tv ratings had dropped below profitable levels for its slot.

No, you don't use popularity to make a point about quality. That's a fallacy called Argumentum ad populum

Jul 13, 2015 3:50 PM by Agafin

[quote=tsudecimo][quote=Dragon88]

NoBleachNoLife said:
[quote=UchihaProdigy1
So much wrong here..
Equating popularity with quality, smh.

But considering it's coming from you, this isn't all too surprising.

Well then what do you think happened genius? Fact is quality plays an important role in sales/popularity. Does that mean the manga with most sales has the highest quality no? But still a important part. There are two things that makes a manga successful one is quality and the other is mass appeal. One Piece has both just like DB, Naruto and Bleach had it in the beginning but then they botched it up. Just because you don't like a manga that does not mean it doesn't have quality. Sales are the most objective way to measure quality though that is not the only thing and it doesn't equate the most quality manga but its a good indicator. And my comment was why Bleach went down and it was because of the quality of the manga. The story went downhill after the invasion of Karakura town and Bleach never recovered from that, same thing happened with FT after Tenrou Island arc. Though FT is making a comeback but still too early to tell anything.

Jul 13, 2015 2:59 PM by Dragon88

riqueterremoto said:
One Piece selling more than the 15 others next to him all together.

you seriously wasted time calculating that. LMAO.

NoBleachNoLife said:

UchihaProdigy1 said:
because One Piece is a far superior series, and can continue bringing in fans due to its always interesting plot, unique characters, and endlessly expanding world, meanwhile Bleach has been the same for years

Well, i wouldn't go that far. One Piece is as repetitive as Bleach. (or even more, because there is more arcs) I think OP is more successful, because its friendly towards bigger audience.

I've always though One Piece became successful because it started when there was a huge gap in the market for those types of series. Dragon Ball and Yu Yu Hakusho had just finished and there weren't really any long running shounen being serialised in Jump IIRC.

Jul 13, 2015 1:59 PM by CD2411

Dragon88 said:

NoBleachNoLife said:

Well, i wouldn't go that far. One Piece is as repetitive as Bleach. (or even more, because there is more arcs) I think OP is more successful, because its friendly towards bigger audience. For example i don't know any kids who like Bleach. I feel like they think that it is too serious and complicated, while with OP they're just having fun. I personally like Bleach, because it is repetitive and always the same. If it wasn't the same, i probably wouldn't like it that much.

And i don't think Bleach will receive a big boost, because there wasn't enough people born since the last season. Only hope is that people who fell out of it will be interested again.

Bleach sales went down simply because the quality went down. There is nothing else. After Aizen arc Bleach sucked and everyone stopped reading. Though recently Bleach is doing good with the last arc but its still far from Soul Society or Hueco Mundo arc and Bleach already lost lot of readers so its hard for them to get those readers back after botching up the manga.

One Piece on the other hand is constantly great where each arc is superb though some are not as exciting as others but all of them are pretty good and overall OP story is far more better then Bleach. There is no contest. And OP has a more mass appeal too like HP did. Its a manga that a 12 year old can read as well as 30 year old can read. Bleach also kind of has mass appeal but the main thing was the quality went down and as a result sales went down. There is nothing else, same thing happened with FT.

So much wrong here..
Equating popularity with quality, smh.

But considering it's coming from you, this isn't all too surprising.

Jul 13, 2015 1:49 PM by tsudecimo

Kudos to One Piece on top.

Jul 13, 2015 1:45 PM by Contaminated

NoBleachNoLife said:

UchihaProdigy1 said:
because One Piece is a far superior series, and can continue bringing in fans due to its always interesting plot, unique characters, and endlessly expanding world, meanwhile Bleach has been the same for years

Well, i wouldn't go that far. One Piece is as repetitive as Bleach. (or even more, because there is more arcs) I think OP is more successful, because its friendly towards bigger audience. For example i don't know any kids who like Bleach. I feel like they think that it is too serious and complicated, while with OP they're just having fun. I personally like Bleach, because it is repetitive and always the same. If it wasn't the same, i probably wouldn't like it that much.

And i don't think Bleach will receive a big boost, because there wasn't enough people born since the last season. Only hope is that people who fell out of it will be interested again.

Bleach sales went down simply because the quality went down. There is nothing else. After Aizen arc Bleach sucked and everyone stopped reading. Though recently Bleach is doing good with the last arc but its still far from Soul Society or Hueco Mundo arc and Bleach already lost lot of readers so its hard for them to get those readers back after botching up the manga.

One Piece on the other hand is constantly great where each arc is superb though some are not as exciting as others but all of them are pretty good and overall OP story is far more better then Bleach. There is no contest. And OP has a more mass appeal too like HP did. Its a manga that a 12 year old can read as well as 30 year old can read. Bleach also kind of has mass appeal but the main thing was the quality went down and as a result sales went down. There is nothing else, same thing happened with FT.

Jul 13, 2015 1:35 PM by Dragon88

Ejc said:
2015 Manga sales thread updated:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1373137&show=0

Spreadsheet with calculations updated:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10K_N1R6l8reAqL4mioBECSNIJ6iqDo2FcouN79dg0Vc/edit?pli=1#gid=1549866658

This is the current Top 10 based on all sales that we know as of the 33rd week.

ONE PIECE on top for the most recent volume (that 1.6M+ is from 3 days of sales), and surely is #1 for 2015 now, since it will probably have one more volume left for the year, and with Nanatsu no longer having a boost from the anime. Kingdom moves up again, and Tokyo Ghoul:re knocks NARUTO out of the Top 10.

*1　*8,825,406　ONE PIECE
*2　*7,876,423　Nanatsu no Taizai (七つの大罪)
*3　*6,294,931　Ansatsu Kyoushitsu (暗殺教室)
*4　*5,137,472　Shingeki no Kyojin (進撃の巨人)
*5　*3,667,182　Haikyuu!! (ハイキュー！！)
*6　*3,243,949　Ao Haru Ride (アオハライド)
*7　*2,917,331　Terraformars (テラフォーマーズ)
*8　*2,758,493　Kingdom (キングダム)
*9　*2,640,791　Tokyo Ghoul (東京喰種)
10　*2,483,053　Tokyo Ghoul:re (東京喰種：ｒｅ)

Weekly Manga Series from Oricon Youtaiju
*1　1,739,845　ONE PIECE
*2　*,503,409　Ansatsu Kyoushitsu (暗殺教室)
*3　*,229,405　BLEACH
*4　*,200,001　Kingdom (キングダム)
*5　*,147,392　Toriko (トリコ)
*6　*,130,957　Ore Monogatari!! (俺物語!!)
*7　*,121,144　PandoraHearts
*8　*,106,126　Nanatsu no Taizai (七つの大罪)
*9　*,102,302　Tokyo Ghoul:re (東京喰種:re)
10　*,100,327　Shin Tennis no Ouji-sama (新テニスの王子様)

※Summation of all volume sales for a particular series within the weekly Top 500 Manga volumes list.

Bleach only sold about 5k across it's entire backlog this week, even Aizen couldn't help it push more. 😴😴

Jul 9, 2015 4:46 PM by UchihaProdigy1

UchihaProdigy1 said:
because One Piece is a far superior series, and can continue bringing in fans due to its always interesting plot, unique characters, and endlessly expanding world, meanwhile Bleach has been the same for years

Well, i wouldn't go that far. One Piece is as repetitive as Bleach. (or even more, because there is more arcs) I think OP is more successful, because its friendly towards bigger audience. For example i don't know any kids who like Bleach. I feel like they think that it is too serious and complicated, while with OP they're just having fun. I personally like Bleach, because it is repetitive and always the same. If it wasn't the same, i probably wouldn't like it that much.

And i don't think Bleach will receive a big boost, because there wasn't enough people born since the last season. Only hope is that people who fell out of it will be interested again.

Jul 9, 2015 9:44 AM by NoBleachNoLife

17.　*,*57,893　*,239,745　Kinou Nani Tabeta? Vol.10

This Shounen Ai manga is really popular. Why it's not getting animated? T^T
Hope it get animated in the future xD

19.　*,*49,353　*,*51,065　Junjou Romantica Vol.19

27.　*,*28,839　*,*29,970　Junjou Romantica Vol.19 Limited Edition

Wow, I was so sure that it's going to be in this week list xD I'm so glad, :3

25.　*,*32,966　*,*33,275　Shouwaru Ookami ga Koi wo Shita Rashii

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! FINALLY MEI SENSEI WORK IS IN THE LIST!!! I really love her art, <3

Jul 9, 2015 4:51 AM by removed-user

^Ah~...i see, i thought this list had accounted for every manga sold, i probably should have known it wasn't, anyways...much appreciation for the explanation mate!!!

Jul 9, 2015 3:36 AM by MichaelMyers100

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