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Japan's Weekly Blu-ray & CD Rankings for Nov 11 - Nov 17

by tsubasalover
Nov 19, 2013 2:09 AM | 189 Comments
Here are the weekly Blu-ray & CD rankings for Nov 11th - Nov 17th

Rank / This week's sales by copies / Cumulative sales / Titles

Blu-ray
*1. 1,488 17,472 Free! Vol.3
*2. *,863 94,156 Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Movie 1: Hajimari no Monogatari/Movie 2: Eien no Monogatari
*3. *,559 *8,489 Hataraku Maou-sama! Vol.5
*4. *,473 *6,736 Senki Zesshou Symphogear G: In the Distance, That Day, When the Star Became Music... Vol.2
*5. *,458 20,836 IS: Infinite Stratos 2 Vol.1
*6. *,362 38,907 Monogatari Series: Second Season Nekomonogatari (Shiro) Vol.1 Tsubasa Tiger 1 of 2
*7. *,347 32,800 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.4
*8. *,306 25,533 Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199 Vol.7
(cut-off 306)


DVD
*1. 1,515 *,*12,671 Free! Vol.3 DVD
*2. 1,231 *,**3,871 Crayon Shin-chan Movie 21: Bakauma! B-Kyuu Gourmet Survival Battle!!
*3. *,987 1,222,310 Tonari no Totoro
*4. *,580 *,*64,645 One Piece Film Z
*5. *,513 *,522,212 Majo no Takkyuubin
*6. *,445 *,*17,937 Usavich V
*7. *,424 2,393,233 Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi
*8. *,402 *,*27,607 Dragon Ball Z Movie 14: Kami to Kami - Regular Edition
*9. *,362 *,365,102 Mononoke Hime
10. *,298 *,***,298 Nyuru Nyuru!! Kakusen-kun
11. *,296 *,777,495 Tenkuu no Shiro Laputa
12. *,289 *,***,654 Sore Ike! Anpanman: Doremifa Jima no Christmas
13. *,275 *,664,227 Kaze no Tani no Nausicaa
(cut-off 275)


CD Single
*4. 28,796 *28,796 Ore no Nounai Sentakushi ga, Gakuen Love Comedy wo Zenryoku de Jama Shiteiru OP "S・M・L☆" by Afilia Saga
18. 11,675 *11,675 Kuroko no Basket 2nd Season ED "WALK" by OLDCODEX
19. 11,559 *11,559 Golden Time OP/ED "Golden Time" by Yui Horie
21. 10,345 *10,345 Kill la Kill OP "Sirius" by Eir Aoi
22. *8,938 *46,197 Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Movie 3: Hangyaku no Monogatari ED "Kimi no Gin no Niwa"
23. *7,676 **7,676 Samurai Flamenco OP "Just One Life" by SPYAIR
25. *6,155 *60,020 Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Movie 3: Hangyaku no Monogatari Theme Song "Colorful"
29. *4,640 **4,640 Diamond no Ace ED "Seek Diamonds" by Yoko Hikasa
30. *4,432 **4,432 Galilei Donna OP "Synchromanica" by Negoto
32. *3,575 107,157 Kakumeiki Valvrave 2nd Season OP "Kakumei Dualism"
35. *3,147 *24,578 Magi: The Kingdom of Magic OP "Anniversary"
37. *2,865 **2,865 Kill la Kill ED "Gomen ne, Iiko ja Irarenai." by Miku Sawai
38. *2,805 *15,438 Yozakura Quartet: Hana no Uta OP "Sakura no Ato (all quartets lead to the ?)"
44. *2,260 *10,055 Tokyo Ravens OP X-encounter
49. *1,800 *15,384 Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova OP "Savior of Song"
53. *1,611 **7,437 Machine-Doll wa Kizutsukanai OP "Anicca"
56. *1,521 **7,997 Gundam Build Fighters OP "Nibun no Ichi"
57. *1,516 *14,473 Kyoukai no Kanata OP "Kyoukai no Kanata"
61. *1,432 *49,520 Log Horizon OP "database feat. Takuma(10-Feet)"
62. *1,424 **7,268 IS: Infinite Stratos 2 OP "True Blue Traveler"
68. *1,206 **4,814 White Album 2 OP/ED "Todokanai Koi '13'"
71. *1,131 **1,131 Log Horizon ED "Your song*" by Yun*chi
73. *1,107 **9,413 Strike the Blood OP "Strike the Blood"
(cut-off 1,000)

Source: Oricon Youtaiju

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Hahalollawl said:
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By the way, I didn't mean to say the NouCome OP was terrible, but I just don't seem to remember much if any of it, and I think it's because I was so distracted by those handstands and skirts lol. Strike My Soul is another one I've liked.

And that full version of Todokanai Koi '13'... Wow...
The skirts are VERY distracting. If they had not been anti-gravity magical they would have been even MORE distracting...

Yuka Iguchi did a really good job with Strike My Soul and Rainbow Heart Rainbow Dream is really good too. She is Astarte but it isn't listed as a character song, just her single. I was happy to get the last LE at CDJapan, the random first press bonus card I got of her is really cute! Very pleased.

I love the Todokanai Koi '13 full version, it is great but if you haven't heard it, check out the Acoustic Valentines' Day version of it off the Setsuna White Album 2 Game OST SACD. It is so good, just amazing. And the sound of it on my Sony 6-speaker system and SACD player is simply amazing. Just acoustic guitar and Setsuna singing... pure magic! I just hope they get a chance to do Valentines' Day in the anime...

The same disc has an acoustic version of Jikan no Mahou (magic of time) as well, again, simply wonderful. The music is the real star of the White Album series.

Dec 14, 2013 4:01 AM by hpulley

hpulley said:
^^^ I ended up getting the White Album 2 Setsuna OST SACD, the White Album 2 PS Vita game in addition to the Todokanai Koi '13 / Sayonara no Koto / closing '13 CD and ordered the Bluray volumes so far so WA2 is one of my season favorites. The game is great but mostly text, voice, music and stills so I want the anime too.

Also bought NouCome OP and ED CDs and ordered the Blurays. Sweet Melty Love is a great song even without the antigravity skirts. Need the bonus novel.

Machine Doll too bought the OP and amazing ED CDs and ordered the Blurays. Need these bonus novels too.

Non Non Biyori is the other one I need on Bluray and I got the ED CD too. Just so gorgeous I need to see it on Bluray.

Oh and Teekyuu 3 is another disc I need.

Overall sales seem to be down this season but my personal ones went up from the last two seasons, but still way down from last fall.

Date Time, Savior of Song, Strike My Soul, Kyokai no Kanata, Univer Page, et al, so many CDs I had to buy this season. Snowdrop and Outbreak Company Character Song CDs ordered...


By the way, I didn't mean to say the NouCome OP was terrible, but I just don't seem to remember much if any of it, and I think it's because I was so distracted by those handstands and skirts lol. Strike My Soul is another one I've liked.

And that full version of Todokanai Koi '13'... Wow...

Dec 14, 2013 1:58 AM by Hahalollawl

^^^ I ended up getting the White Album 2 Setsuna OST SACD, the White Album 2 PS Vita game in addition to the Todokanai Koi '13 / Sayonara no Koto / closing '13 CD and ordered the Bluray volumes so far so WA2 is one of my season favorites. The game is great but mostly text, voice, music and stills so I want the anime too.

Also bought NouCome OP and ED CDs and ordered the Blurays. Sweet Melty Love is a great song even without the antigravity skirts. Need the bonus novel.

Machine Doll too bought the OP and amazing ED CDs and ordered the Blurays. Need these bonus novels too.

Non Non Biyori is the other one I need on Bluray and I got the ED CD too. Just so gorgeous I need to see it on Bluray.

Oh and Teekyuu 3 is another disc I need.

Overall sales seem to be down this season but my personal ones went up from the last two seasons, but still way down from last fall.

Date Time, Savior of Song, Strike My Soul, Kyokai no Kanata, Univer Page, et al, so many CDs I had to buy this season. Snowdrop and Outbreak Company Character Song CDs ordered...

Dec 13, 2013 1:17 AM by hpulley

Hahalollawl said:
hpulley said:
^^^ See, I knew you'd come around LOL

Seriously, glad you found more you like. For me the real problem is trying not to order them all... and just the ones I really, really, really want to put on heavy rotation for the next few months.

Not sure if we'll see WHITE ALBUM, SOUND OF DESTINY or others from White Album 2 anime CDs for a while so I broke down and ordered a game OST from last year. If they put out new versions I'll likely get them too, surprised actually that the OSTs aren't on there as bonuses like Symphogear G as it is the same record/production company and they usually follow that model, plus character song CDs. Makes me a bit less likely to get the Blurays.


This is kinda late, but I agree that there does seem to be some pretty good music this season in my opinion. Or maybe we just like similar things lol. And I haven't heard the full version, but even just the op version of Todokanai Koi '13' is fantastic. One of, if not my favorite song of the season.

Savior of Song and X-encounter are pretty catchy too. I also like the OP and ED for StB. I haven't kept up with all of the shows so I'm not sure about the stuff from Kill la Kill or Log Horizon. And I think I might have been distracted by the handstands during the Noucome OP lol...not sure why it sold so much.


I quite like the music in White Album 2 as well, and also the Machine Doll ED, Tokyo Ravens OP, NagiAsu OP, StB OP/ED, Log Horizon ED and LB! ~Refrain~ OP/ED. This is coming from someone who probably has 90% of music being jpop/anison, lol xD

And yeah, those handstands are distracting, as are those gravity resistant skirts from the NouCome OP...

Dec 12, 2013 11:46 PM by Ejc

hpulley said:
^^^ See, I knew you'd come around LOL

Seriously, glad you found more you like. For me the real problem is trying not to order them all... and just the ones I really, really, really want to put on heavy rotation for the next few months.

Not sure if we'll see WHITE ALBUM, SOUND OF DESTINY or others from White Album 2 anime CDs for a while so I broke down and ordered a game OST from last year. If they put out new versions I'll likely get them too, surprised actually that the OSTs aren't on there as bonuses like Symphogear G as it is the same record/production company and they usually follow that model, plus character song CDs. Makes me a bit less likely to get the Blurays.


This is kinda late, but I agree that there does seem to be some pretty good music this season in my opinion. Or maybe we just like similar things lol. And I haven't heard the full version, but even just the op version of Todokanai Koi '13' is fantastic. One of, if not my favorite song of the season.

Savior of Song and X-encounter are pretty catchy too. I also like the OP and ED for StB. I haven't kept up with all of the shows so I'm not sure about the stuff from Kill la Kill or Log Horizon. And I think I might have been distracted by the handstands during the Noucome OP lol...not sure why it sold so much.

Dec 12, 2013 11:06 PM by Hahalollawl

ToG25thBaam said:

But you might have forgotten the fact that Myusel and many other servants were abused in their world, so appearing all MOE like that is quite wrong imho.
You can say that same thing about any maid in Victorian age or before. Does it mean that the servants depicted in those age should never be depicted as looking cute and behaving obsequiously?

ToG25thBaam said:
She isn't a maid, she is a moe character under the guise of a maid, feels like she's an average girl cosplaying as a maid and try to appear to be all MOE.
This is a ridiculous statement you made here because what you said could be applied any character in an anime. Koma-chan is not a middle-school pupil but a moe character under the guise of a middle school pupil etc. At the end you may find Myusel's behavior unconvincing, but I would say that her behavior is far from an average girl (which average girl would behave really so obsequiously and self-deprecatingly like a traditional servant from a bygone age?) and it is actually precisely that she looks rather convincing in the fantasy context of Outbreak Company's world.

Nov 25, 2013 8:14 PM by symbv

Glad the Gundam started out well at least, now for Dec 12 to hurry up so I can pre order Box 2. I want to hear some Blind Target as well xD.

Nov 25, 2013 2:28 AM by Layfonkun

Oricon Daily All-Genre Top 30 DVD/Top 20 BD Rankings for Nov 18~24.

DVD
*18 *19 *20 *21 *22 *23 *24  週
*** **4 **4 **6 **4 **4 **9 | -- | Shingeki 5
*** *25 *** *** *** *** *12 | -- | Sore Ike!Anpanman Tobase!Kibou no Handkerchief
*** *** *** **9 *26 *** *** | -- | Karneval 7
*** *** *** *16 *** *** *** | -- | Senyuu. 2nd Season 4
*** *15 *14 *** *** *** *** | -- | Kimi no Iru Machi 3
*25 *** *26 *** *** *** *** | -- | Tonari no Totoro
*** *28 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Lupin III vs Detective Conan Movie
*24 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Crayon Shin-chan Movie 21

BD
*18 *19 *20 *21 *22 *23 *24  週
*** **3 **3 **9 **3 **3 **3 | -- | Shingeki 5
*** *** *** *11 **8 *10 *14 | -- | Karneval 7
*** *** *** **4 *12 *11 *** | -- | Gundam W BOX 1
*** *** *** **6 *10 *12 *** | -- | Majestic Prince 6
*** *** *** *** *14 *** *** | -- | Fantasista Doll 3
*** *** *** *14 *18 *** *** | -- | Hakkenden 9
*** *** *** **7 *** *** *** | -- | Koukaku Kidoutai S.A.C 2nd GIG BOX Special Edition
*** *** *** *10 *** *** *** | -- | Uchouten Kazoku 3
*** *** *** *19 *** *** *** | -- | Senyuu. 2nd Season 4
*** *** *10 *** *** *** *** | -- | Madoka Movies Limited Edition
*** *14 *12 *** *** *** *** | -- | Kimi no Iru Machi 3
*** *11 *16 *** *** *** *** | -- | Rozen Maiden 4
*** *** *17 *** *** *** *** | -- | DEVIL SURVIVOR 2 the ANIMATION 6
*** *12 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Yes!Precure 5 BOX 1
*** *19 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Kitaku-bu 3
*10 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Free!3

Nov 25, 2013 2:06 AM by Ejc

symbv said:
At least I find it more natural to see Myusel wearing maid outfit and sounding obsequious l than a junior high girl like Koma-chan being as short as a primary kid and always at the mercy of her younger sister.

But you might have forgotten the fact that Myusel and many other servants were abused in their world, so appearing all MOE like that is quite wrong imho. She isn't a maid, she is a moe character under the guise of a maid, feels like she's an average girl cosplaying as a maid and try to appear to be all MOE.

At least Koma-chan is more realistic, a HS/MS student acts childishly, hell some adults appeared to be childish too.

Nov 24, 2013 11:42 PM by ToG25thBaam

symbv said:
kuuderes_shadow said:
Non Non Biyori and Infinite Stratos both seem to have had rather bad weeks this week.
On the other hand, I saw Magi2 rose significantly in both BD and DVD ranking. Some amazing episode aired last week? Or another order troll attack?


Depends on how many episodes are in each volume. Last week didn't have a highlight episode but the week before definitely had one.

Nov 24, 2013 11:38 PM by GD1551

Magi2 v1 is really suspicious because its lowest rank and highest rank are so far apart but time-wise they are close.

最高順位 ***,426位(2013年11月17日)
最低順位 *18,842位(2013年11月15日)

Nov 24, 2013 4:55 AM by symbv

Has Magi v1 always or for a long time had an event ticket? I don't recall one but I'm not watching the show or buying it so I may just not have noticed.

What about Unbreakable Machine Doll? I am buying that and yet just noticed that it has an event ticket in v1 but it either happened a long time ago or had 0 effect. Not that the ticket does me any good...

There are about 20 shows with first volume event tickets so perhaps their effect is being watered down. Of course there are event tickets like UtaPri, LoveLive! and Sympgear Live! and then there are ho hum events...

Nov 24, 2013 4:51 AM by hpulley

kuuderes_shadow said:
Non Non Biyori and Infinite Stratos both seem to have had rather bad weeks this week.
On the other hand, I saw Magi2 rose significantly in both BD and DVD ranking. Some amazing episode aired last week? Or another order troll attack?

Nov 24, 2013 3:23 AM by symbv

Non Non Biyori and Infinite Stratos both seem to have had rather bad weeks this week.

Nov 24, 2013 3:06 AM by kuuderes_shadow

ToG25thBaam said:

Well if that's the case, let's take Koma-chan and Myusel as examples. I love Koma-chan, it's my favourite character in NNB, but I hate Myusel with passion, I just can't like her, and it's not like I have a grudge for maids, for some reason her character and the moe-ness pisses me off, but I don't feel that way toward Koma-chan, how would you explain this?
This is normal. As I said, you feel appealed by certain moe point and certain execution of moe point, but you let ceratin moe point pass you by or you are allergic to certain moe point or certain execution of moe point. And it is not difficult to think of examples: A person may feel moe towards a ojou character but feel indifferent towards a loli teacher character or a kuudere character. Another person may find a maid character like Myusel moe and appealing but a chibi junior high student like Koma-chan to be so-so. But does it mean that only those characters that these two persons find appealing moe? No, all the characters are designed with moe in mind and it was understood that the moe may appeal only to certain segment of the audience. The hope is that having more moe points in the anime will help the anime appeal to different groups of people - because Japanese seem to have higher tolerance of moe that they do not like (they feel more indifferent than hate it), so the risk of the inclusion of more moe points alienating watchers (like you said, pissing you off) is deemed bearable.

And actually this is the main point of moe. It is not what you find is moe but what some group of viewers find moe (which you may or may not find moe). It is one of the biggest confusions and misunderstandings western fans have over moe. And it is what many moe haters got wrong when they talk about how much they hate moe (which in fact is usually just part of moe which they happen to be sensitive about and intensely dislike).

ToG25thBaam said:

Oh now that I think about it, my hatred for her probably doesn't generate from moe ~.~ But even so among moe characters, it's separated by "natural moe" and "deliberate moe". Koma-chan is probably in the natural moe category, and Myusel is grouped in the latter one. It's really hard to explain but I do find that there is a gap/difference between one moe/cute character (like Koma-chan) and another moeeeeee character (like Myusel). Maybe it's the purpose of their character, Myusel came off to me as "I exist to make fans go KYAAA SO MOEEEE over me" and Koma-chan would be like "Uh yeah.. whatever" and it feels really natural when she acts cute.. Ugh this is really hard to explain, I hope I didn't create more confusion.
Yeah, as I said you are more sensitive to certain way of presenting and executing the moe point, so you'd find the way Myusel's character is portrayed objectionable but not Koma-chan's, but I can tell you that the character Koma-chan is built clearly with moe in mind - the "gap" moe that I mentioned earlier is just as deliberate and in fact may be more deliberate compared to Myusel. At least I find it more natural to see Myusel wearing maid outfit and sounding obsequious l than a junior high girl like Koma-chan being as short as a primary kid and always at the mercy of her younger sister.

Nov 24, 2013 2:48 AM by symbv


It's a little sad that I got every questions wrong except for the last one -.-;

symbv said:
it is about the feeling generated in the watchers and the attempt to design and portray the characters in such a way that such feeling are more likely to be generated among the audience.

Well if that's the case, let's take Koma-chan and Myusel as examples. I love Koma-chan, it's my favourite character in NNB, but I hate Myusel with passion, I just can't like her, and it's not like I have a grudge for maids, for some reason her character and the moe-ness pisses me off, but I don't feel that way toward Koma-chan, how would you explain this?

Oh now that I think about it, my hatred for her probably doesn't generate from moe ~.~ But even so among moe characters, it's separated by "natural moe" and "deliberate moe". Koma-chan is probably in the natural moe category, and Myusel is grouped in the latter one. It's really hard to explain but I do find that there is a gap/difference between one moe/cute character (like Koma-chan) and another moeeeeee character (like Myusel). Maybe it's the purpose of their character, Myusel came off to me as "I exist to make fans go KYAAA SO MOEEEE over me" and Koma-chan would be like "Uh yeah.. whatever" and it feels really natural when she acts cute.. Ugh this is really hard to explain, I hope I didn't create more confusion.

Nov 24, 2013 2:17 AM by ToG25thBaam

Oricon Daily All-Genre Top 30 DVD/Top 20 BD Rankings for Nov 23.

DVD
*18 *19 *20 *21 *22 *23 *24  週
*** **4 **4 **6 **4 **4 *** | -- | Shingeki 5
*** *** *** **9 *26 *** *** | -- | Karneval 7
*** *** *** *16 *** *** *** | -- | Senyuu. 2nd Season 4
*** *15 *14 *** *** *** *** | -- | Kimi no Iru Machi 3
*25 *** *26 *** *** *** *** | -- | Tonari no Totoro
*** *25 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Sore Ike!Anpanman Tobase!Kibou no Handkerchief
*** *28 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Lupin III vs Detective Conan Movie
*24 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Crayon Shin-chan Movie 21

BD
*18 *19 *20 *21 *22 *23 *24  週
*** **3 **3 **9 **3 **3 *** | -- | Shingeki 5
*** *** *** *11 **8 *10 *** | -- | Karneval 7
*** *** *** **4 *12 *11 *** | -- | Gundam W BOX 1
*** *** *** **6 *10 *12 *** | -- | Majestic Prince 6
*** *** *** *** *14 *** *** | -- | Fantasista Doll 3
*** *** *** *14 *18 *** *** | -- | Hakkenden 9
*** *** *** **7 *** *** *** | -- | Koukaku Kidoutai S.A.C 2nd GIG BOX Special Edition
*** *** *** *10 *** *** *** | -- | Uchouten Kazoku 3
*** *** *** *19 *** *** *** | -- | Senyuu. 2nd Season 4
*** *** *10 *** *** *** *** | -- | Madoka Movies Limited Edition
*** *14 *12 *** *** *** *** | -- | Kimi no Iru Machi 3
*** *11 *16 *** *** *** *** | -- | Rozen Maiden 4
*** *** *17 *** *** *** *** | -- | DEVIL SURVIVOR 2 the ANIMATION 6
*** *12 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Yes!Precure 5 BOX 1
*** *19 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Kitaku-bu 3
*10 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Free!3

Nov 24, 2013 2:08 AM by Ejc

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Hahalollawl said:
Wow, so it seems almost anything that makes you like it can be considered "moe"...I thought I was not particularly into moe things but if the definition is that broad then I guess everyone likes moe things...By the way, are ojous considered moe? If so, I guess I do like moe stuff lol.


It's about one of the very few things that actually kind of works on me so of course I'm going to say yes. I think it's sort of an absurd mannerism thing and seeing the real personalities conflict with the larger than life one they present. That and despite being pampered for whatever reason they tend to be more self sufficient than a lot of other moe archetypes on average and are the character type that usually shows up biggest in the most unexpected situations. Example might be Kongou Mitsuko from Railgun who is typically a comic relief character until there's bad situation and then she's typically one of the first people to put herself at risk and join the fight. Its always interesting seeing your first impression of a character proven wrong too and Ojou characters tend to have this happen a lot. Its cool having a Moe archetype I can kind of appreciate on levels not directly linked to being Moe as well like say Satsuki Kiryuin from Kill La Kill. Talk about personality lol....

It took a long time for me to realize that many of my favorite female characters throughout the years could be considered Ojou and that I probably have a thing for the trope. Really it was last years Kuroyukihime and a few other characters that lead me to make the connection. Speaking of which looking at our lists I wonder if its a sci-fi mecha fan thing. A lot of people I bump into that enjoy that really enjoy that genre also seem to have a thing for Ojou characters though I think it also goes with the content, especially when it comes to Gundam which has a lot of them, especially 00 which had Marina, Louise and Wang Liu Me I who all took very different paths ans developments throughout the series.


I thought I mentioned this before, but I think we have similar preferences with regard to anime, so it doesn't surprise me that you like Ojous too lol. For me, I think it's the strength of the character/personality (or what I think you described as being "self sufficient") as well as the healthy dose of pride that they tend to have that I find attractive, which I tend to prefer over the weaker willed (some people might consider them cute) or submissive characters. Ojous, in my opinion, are a bit like mild tsunderes, with the tsundere qualities I like but without so much of the over the top tsundere qualities that can get annoying (to me).

Also, I think I got about half way through Accel World and stopped because the main character annoyed me. And honestly, Kuroyukihime was probably one of the few things that kept me watching lol. And I guess I hadn't really thought of Ojous as a mainstay of the sci fi mecha genre, but that could be possible. In fact, I do think a lot of the female characters I have liked from sci fi mecha series have ojou qualities (if they are not literally princesses).

Nov 24, 2013 12:08 AM by Hahalollawl

tsudecimo said:
It doesn't matter if they find them cute or not. The prefect example is tsunderes, some hate their guts and some love them and find them cute, they are still moe whether some people don't find them cute or not.
In this case, then your definition of "cutesy" traits etc does not really apply, does it?

tsudecimo said:
And it's not my definition, that is the description of the characters that are considered moe in anime/manga/LN.
Defined by you, no? So it is still your definition.

tsudecimo said:

Moe characteristics exist and not everything can be regarded as ''moe'' by the majority. In the context of anime/manga/LN I think the term is not broad at all, I do agree that it can be broad as a whole and it doesn't have a concrete definition but in anime/manga/LN specifically it is really not.
I agree that moe can be defined in anime/manga/LN but we need to do it carefully, otherwise we will see the case like the baffling comment "hey, I don't think Charlotte is moe, she is just cute".

tsudecimo said:
I think it's silly when some people pretend that they don't know what those moe haters mean when they hate moe. Not a lot of people are gonna call Zodd from Berserk a moe character.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_anthropomorphism
Not really, because moe haters can hate different things which they just label it as "moe'. You can give some extreme example like Berserk that is not likely to be considered moe; I can give some extreme example like Lucky Star that is likely to be considered moe by most. The question is what lies in the middle. And here confusion can reign, particularly when different moe haters may be hating different types of moe as defined by them. I can perfectly see some people saying things like "I hate moe, but I love Koma-chan in Non Non Biyrori and she is not moe". The problem with moe hater is how they just shove everything they don't like to "moe" and use it as a disparaging label without actually giving much thought of what this term means in general, not just what it means to him (and him alone).


tsudecimo said:
That's my point. If someone says '' Moe is running the current anime industry for me '' or '' There is too much anime with moe in them these days'' I think you would have a basic idea about what they mean by that.
Maybe, and anyway I am not going to object to the comment that "moe is running [sic] the anime industry for me" because in many ways moe is indeed driving the design and planning of many manga/anime/LN. As I said, it is still fine to talk about moe, narrowly defined, in some restricted topics. And topics of whether "moe is running [sic] the anime industry" or "there is too much anime with moe for me" is valid whether you use a narrow definition or a broad definition. However, when you want to talk about whether a character is moe, or whether a particular anime has a lot of moe, or the role of moe in character design in general, then it makes a lot more sense to use the fundamental and broad definition.

Nov 23, 2013 10:52 PM by symbv

It doesn't matter if they find them cute or not. The prefect example is tsunderes, some hate their guts and some love them and find them cute, they are still moe whether some people don't find them cute or not.

And it's not my definition, that is the description of the characters that are considered moe in anime/manga/LN. When there is an otaku characters in any anime they explicitly say that this character is moe or this is moe. Characters like tsunderes, kuuderes, maids, anime characteristics (kemonomimis), lolis, nyan and other cute vocal tics, etc are all called moe inside anime. And they even prounce/ call it in English ( moe character)

Moe characteristics exist and not everything can be regarded as ''moe'' by the majority. In the context of anime/manga/LN I think the term is not broad at all, I do agree that it can be broad as a whole and it doesn't have a concrete definition but in anime/manga/LN specifically it is really not. I think it's silly when some people pretend that they don't know what those moe haters mean when they hate moe. Not a lot of people are gonna call Zodd from Berserk a moe character.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_anthropomorphism

Amiluhur said:

That being said the word "moe" really isn't as confusing as it seems to be. When I see someone use it I usually have a pretty good idea what they mean even if I don't know how they personally define it. I mean it's not like I'm completely lost whenever someone uses it.

That's my point. If someone says '' Moe is running the current anime industry for me '' or '' There is too much anime with moe in them these days'' I think you would have a basic idea about what they mean by that.

Nov 23, 2013 10:45 PM by tsudecimo