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Three People Arrested for Sharing Anime

by zvuc
May 9, 2008 9:13 AM | 153 Comments
On May 9 the Kyoto Police's Task force arrested three individuals for suspicion of uploading ripped anime episodes through the P2P program, "Share."
Apparently "Share" was developed by an anonymous user in order to create a more "anonymous" and secure P2P program after the similar incident of arresting of an individual charged for uploading anime through Winny,
but since 2006 the security researchers have found flaws in the program.

Source: ANN // Kyoto Shimbun

Though the article does not say, it is speculated that the arrested three are one of the most popular rippers through Share:

神奈川県川崎市の会社員: YS2 (34歳)
東京都日野市の会社員:  92J (41歳)
広島県東広島市の大学生: YnX (21歳)
(through here)

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I can understand why there have been suggestions about not allowing these kinda threads anymore.

You guys are incapabale of having a proper discussion, and you start to insult each other. This is not tollerated.

Topic locked.

May 10, 2008 4:08 AM by cyruz

TBH that flame_haze guy is a douche. I don't think there's anything wrong with ripping and airing anime the stuff's free on JApanese TV anyway this is just airing it to the whole world which clearly wants it.
Also if they didn't rip and upload it to the internet those animes would probably have a ton less people following them and American companies probably wouldn't bother to pick them up. I can't imagine they'd both dubbing animes that Americans aren't watching. Which they wouldn't be as they can't download the episodes.
If I lieved in Japan I'd gladly upload the RAWs =/ you're just promoting the anime. And promoting it a lot. If I were one of the owners of the animes currently being ripped and uploaded like Vampire Knight ?I'd be very pleased because it's getting them a lot of fans and ultimately getting them more purchases when it eventualy does come out on DVD. People aren't going to buy them without having seen them before and true fans will actualy buy them I have a whole shelf full of r etail animes. These fucks need to be raped with a rake =/ those guys are promoters IMO and should be given jobs at anime companies haha.

"Mr. Flame Haze, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

I can't remember what this was from? I Think it had Adam sandler in and he said a simple no would do. Was it Billy Madison?


Flame_Haze seems to be aruging that he's ok watching it as long as he didn't upload it... That's like he's not in the wrong for watching a guy beat a child to death because he's not actualy doing it when he could have stopped it. God you're an imbecile people like you shouldn't even be on this site. GTFO

May 10, 2008 3:57 AM by Damoizgod

DeathfireD said:

The reason I mention this is because most torrent downloads come in HD quality, ripped off from DVDs. Now if you buy the DVD and compare the quality from the download and the original, there the same. There's no quality drop if it's DVD rips or cable/satellite settop rips which almost all the raws are now a days.


You've obviously never watched a TV broadcast or authentic DVD compared next to fansubbing. Fansubbed encodes are lossy. That's the very nature of 100-350Mb releases instead of 2Gb VOBs or 10Gb TS files. I own hundreds of DVDs. I have terabytes of fansubs, I watch stuff on TV (usually out of morbid curiosity) and I can 100% without a doubt say that both TV and DVD looks at LEAST 5x better than any fansub, even the increasingly common 350Mb HD releases.

Divx and 264 compression results in quality loss. That's just the way it works. You shrink the raw file size, and it looks worse, period.

Of course, if you have eye cancer and/or are the kind of person who thinks streamed anime is tolerable quality, maybe you really can't notice the difference.

May 10, 2008 3:56 AM by Asako

Wow. Uploading anime illegally may be wrong by law but i always thought that as long as u dont charge for the viewing of the anime and say that i not ur own, more like a disclaimer, it was ok in away. Many ppl to it with movies that are in theatres, sigh*.

I do feel bad for the ppl that go to jail for sharing. In a way they are taking one for the team of anime lovers.

I hope in the future it would be easy to share anime without ppl getting in trouble.

peace!!

May 10, 2008 3:20 AM by BeautifulViolet

Hell, Ill agree this thread needs closing
Ill doubt anyone here has a large amount of animes watched and they never downloaded any of it

and note streaming is still technically downloading even if its only temporary.

but no matter what I say, AnimusNathan already covered it all, and he still fights the good fight! *Salutes AnimusNathan* You Sir, are a Hero!

May 10, 2008 3:20 AM by Talamare

Hmm no, not that. We posted at the same time, but your post appears first.
I was speaking about Talamare's last post.

Like you said, yes, it's not obliged to watch an entire show to make an opinion. So true. But the companies need at least 6 months to prepare the dvds. So during that time, i watch the anime (entirely or not), and i buy the dvds when they are out. For collection, if i have completed watching the anime, or to finish watching it.

[unecessary information]Wow i have 500 posts now^^[/unecessary information]

May 10, 2008 3:09 AM by akuma2002

akuma2002 said:
That's another reason for asking to close this unnecessary thread.


Because someone disagrees with you? It's perfectly legal for me too download anime here in Canada apparently. So what I'm doing isn't illegal, if that's your point.

Otherwise, you may as well close almost all threads because they are based on people illegally downloading the episodes.

May 10, 2008 2:51 AM by AnimusNathan

That's another reason for asking to close this unnecessary thread.

May 10, 2008 2:49 AM by akuma2002

akuma2002 said:
OMG Jesus ! Mods, please stop this trolling and close this thread !


You're just as hypocritical as Flame_Haze. You go on a rant about saving the industry, but admit that you still download. "I have too know which anime I'll buy." What a load of lies. You don't need too see the entire thing too know if you generally find it too be good. You don't get too see a whole movie before deciding if you'll pay for your ticket.

Don't try too claim moral and monetary righteousness.

I personally won't buy most anime when it comes out. I download it because I want too see it. I'll buy it if I really want too own it or rewatch it. I am fully aware of what I am doing and make no excuses for it.

May 10, 2008 2:48 AM by AnimusNathan

Flame_Haze said:
Canned Dogs says they was one of the most popular. http://zepy.momotato.com/2008/05/09/police-arrest-3-people-that-shared-anime-on-share/

This is a blow to fansubs and if things continue fansubs will be hurt overall and that's a good thing. Once people can't get their free anime fix anytime they want they will either buy dvds, only watch it on tv/adultswim fix etc., from their friends collections, or stop watching anime all together.
Flame_Haze said:
Youtube, Veoh and Crunchyroll are all legal for me to watch anime on. Too bad I'm not breaking any law.
Flame_Haze said:
I'm guessing it doesn't matter, correct? I watch both.
Flame_Haze said:
It doesn't matter where those videos come from since I had no hand in them getting to the site. If the illegal fansubs don't go on the sites I'm fine with that.

@bluecorp
It wouldn't bother me at all if they stopped subbing and releasing the raws of the series I'm "watching" atm. FYI some of the series I'm currently watching is on LEGAL dvds so stfu.

Edit #2: Well rewatching actually.
Flame_Haze said:

Dude I don't care. I'm rewatching Lucky Star and Noein that I have legit dvds . Don't piss your pants because I'm watching shows legally on veoh, youtube, and crunchyroll.
Flame_Haze said:
It's not illegal to watch streams on a site like them. The uploaders who upload the content are responsible for their content, not the people who watch it. Sorry I'm not doing anything illegal as much as you want to say and prove I am, when you can't.
Flame_Haze said:
Well you see fansubs are doing something called killing the anime industry. Not stopping them means an eventual total annihilation of the anime industry or just a couple of "guaranteed" safe shows that will sell well in Japan's market but not elsewhere.


Mr. Flame Haze, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

May 10, 2008 2:13 AM by Talamare

OMG Jesus ! Mods, please stop this trolling and close this thread !

So yeah, 3 people arrested ? OMG NOES the world is ending !
Seriously, who gives a damn to that ? They did something illegal. They were arrested. Logic.
So they were popular in the fansub "industry" ? That's sad. They will be replaced by new people. So don't cry. You'll continue to have your fansubs.

To flame_haze :
I guess you're true to an extent. Yes, fansub can kill the anime industry. If nobody buys the dvds (and goodies too), the companies will face (in very long term) bankrupt.
I'm an anime freak. I buy like 5-6 animes dvds per month, goodies like pvc statues, etc... I have subscriptions to japanese magazines, blah blah blah...

But i'm downloading fansubs. Why ? Because i have to know which animes i'll buy when they'll be licensed in Usa. (Even if i'm not living there)
I'm sorry, but i don't trust official animes reviews or such. I don't want to spend my money on some anime i'll not like in the end.

The real problem here is education. Yes, education. The anime community is now full of teens, they think the net is their place where they are powerful and such. They don't know about real life (you know, working, paying bills, etc...), so they don't give a damn to official works. In my opinion, if they would have more respect to that, at least, some of them would buy animes dvds, maintaining the good balance.

Enough said.
This topic need to be closed.

May 10, 2008 1:58 AM by akuma2002

babynaruto1 said:
I only watch English Dubbed anime. I watch it on TV, DVDs, on the Internet, and also by downloading it off of the Internet and onto my computer.

I totally agree that Fansubs and RAWs should be banned from America.

English Dubbed anime RULES!!! WOOT!!!

XD that made me laugh so hard


and about R2 in my opinion it looks better than the first CG

May 10, 2008 1:06 AM by Hamel

Like that would be a loss...

Come on, R2 is starting to fail.

May 10, 2008 1:02 AM by zqube

omg, is it possible that Code Geass R2 will no longer be fansubed?

0.o

May 10, 2008 12:57 AM by DeimosFormido

many many people have been arrested for video/music sharing her in the US for some time now, and yet people can still manage to find pirated media. just because a few people get arested doesnt mean that everyone just stops. doesnt mean its legal, it just means that people will get smarter about their uploading/sharing.

May 10, 2008 12:44 AM by kisami

All Major fansub group have a Private Capper who provides them with raws of certain shows just for them.


Most of the REALLY popular stuff will not be affected.

May 10, 2008 12:22 AM by KrylonBlue

AnimusNathan said:
rkrempel said:
That was a bit naive since it is, as people have said, the other way around, but as it happens...

It's not a law, but a treaty.

I, under article 10.1 of the ECHR...


It isn't information, but Intellectual Property. All those laws you posted apply too freedom of information, not copyrights and Intellectual Property. Good attempt though.


To defend intellectual property rights, the wronged party can only go after the supplier/uploader. As a consumer, I'm not required to check for propertry right violations when I buy something. If I'm not buying, but getting something for free, I'm even less constrained. But, as I go further into details, it depends more and more on the laws of the country you're in. This is 100% true for the Netherlands.

I cited the ECHR because it's basic, general, covers a large number of countries and meant to protect my right to receive information, regardless of content.

I know it's not specifically meant to allow me to d/l anime for free, but as the treaty stands, it does that, so legally I'm in the clear. Since privately, I believe intelectual property rights are misused to create monopolies and gauge prices, I have no moral obligations when d/l anime either.

May 10, 2008 12:19 AM by rkrempel

babynaruto1 said:
I only watch English Dubbed anime. I watch it on TV, DVDs, on the Internet, and also by downloading it off of the Internet and onto my computer.

I totally agree that Fansubs and RAWs should be banned from America.

English Dubbed anime RULES!!! WOOT!!!


I think you just contradicted yourself there, you said you watch by downloading off the internet?
So I should think you're ONLY watching "dubbed" episodes up on the internet? Wait.. were there even any "dubbed" anime episodes on YouTube? who knows. :P

KrylonSigma said:

I really don't see the big deal about possibly waiting a bit longer than usual to watch new episodes of your favorite show unless you have no life.


It's not a problem of waiting longer or not. I was talking if the actual providing of RAWs stopped altogether.
Well there is always a chance of newbie rippers coming up through after incident (which I strongly hope)
some shows like Special A was only being ripped by YS2. So if there are no other rippers next week... you've just missed the episode.

And yes I do have a life, and I'm loving it.

May 10, 2008 12:02 AM by zvuc

I only watch English Dubbed anime. I watch it on TV, DVDs, on the Internet, and also by downloading it off of the Internet and onto my computer.

I totally agree that Fansubs and RAWs should be banned from America.

English Dubbed anime RULES!!! WOOT!!!

May 9, 2008 11:53 PM by ToddlerNaruto

misa-misa-chan said:

sorry to tell you but watching anime online on sites such as those is VERY illegal, so go fuck yourself, don't try to dump your shit on people who were nice enough to bring anime to an asshole like you


No it's not and even if my government puts legislation in place that says it is, I can sue them before the European Human Rights Court and I'd win. I'm _very_ sure this true for anyone living in the EC.

May 9, 2008 11:42 PM by rkrempel